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Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 07:28 PM
I personally think this is ridiculous:


RALEIGH, N.C.—The system that automatically awards disability benefits to some veterans because of concerns about Agent Orange seems contrary to efforts to control federal spending, the Republican co-chairman of President Barack Obama's deficit commission said Tuesday.

Tweet 5 people Tweeted this people Dugg thisdiggYahoo! Buzz ShareThis Former Wyoming Sen. Alan Simpson's comments came a day after The Associated Press reported that diabetes has become the most frequently compensated ailment among Vietnam veterans, even though decades of research has failed to find more than a possible link between the defoliant Agent Orange and diabetes.

"The irony (is) that the veterans who saved this country are now, in a way, not helping us to save the country in this fiscal mess," said Simpson, an Army veteran who was once chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.

The Department of Veterans Affairs has also allowed Vietnam veterans to get money for ailments such as lung cancer and prostate cancer, and the agency finalized a proposal Tuesday to grant payments for heart disease -- the nation's leading cause of death.

Simpson declined to say whether the issue would become part of his work on Obama's panel examining the nation's debt. He looked to Congress to make a change.

Sen. Daniel Akaka, a Hawaii Democrat who currently chairs the VA committee, said Tuesday he will address the broader issue of so-called presumptive conditions at a hearing previously set for Sept. 23. The committee will look to "see what changes Congress and VA may need to make to existing law and policy," Akaka said in an e-mail.

"It is our solemn responsibility to help veterans with disabilities suffered in their service to our country," said Akaka, who served in the Army Corps of Engineers during World War II. "That responsibility also requires us to make sure limited resources are available for those who truly need and are entitled to them."

Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, a Democrat and Vietnam combat veteran, has also raised questions about the spending. The leading Republican on the committee, North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, has not responded to several requests for comment on the topic in recent months.

Because of concerns about Agent Orange, Congress set up a system in 1991 to grant automatic benefits to veterans who served in Vietnam at any point during a 13-year period and later got an ailment linked to the defoliant. The VA has done that with a series of ailments with strong indications of an association to Agent Orange, including Hodgkin's disease, soft-tissue cancers and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Other ailments have been added even though and Institute of Medicine review has found they only have a potential association and that they could not rule out other factors. Those maladies include prostate cancer, lung cancer and diabetes. The committee has said that, for diabetes, more powerful influences include family history, physical inactivity and obesity.

The AP found in reviewing millions of VA compensation records that diabetes is now the most frequently compensated ailment, ahead of post-traumatic stress disorder, hearing loss or general wounds. VA officials use a complex formula when awarding benefits and do not track how much is spent for a specific ailment, but AP calculations based on the records suggest that Vietnam veterans with diabetes should receive at least $850 million each year.

Paul Sullivan, executive director for the advocacy group Veterans for Common Sense, said it would be unreasonable for veterans to have to prove on a case-by-case basis that their illness came from Agent Orange. He believes the science supports the decision by VA to grant presumptive benefits.

"The presumptive law is absolutely essential," he said. "Money should not be an issue."

Sullivan also said many veterans file claims not for the compensation but for access to free health care.

The VA also acknowledged in its heart disease rule Tuesday that it could cost billions more than initially anticipated. The initial projection was that the new ailments, mostly heart disease but also Parkinson's disease and certain types of leukemia, would total $42.2 billion over 10 years. But that was based on disease prevalence rates for the general population, not representative of the aging class of Vietnam veterans.

VA used an age-adjusted formula in its latest proposal and estimated that it could cost some $67 billion in the next decade.

"It's the kind of thing that's just driving us to this $1 trillion, $400 billion deficit this year," Simpson said. "It's not that I'm an uncaring person, but common sense is the most uncommon thing in Washington."

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 07:42 PM
It's ridiculous that treating Diabetes is expensive for anyone.

It's not like the Research and Delevopment has revealed ways to stop it.

It's treatable. Why in the hell is it so expensive?

If you want money for R&D...get a grant or ask for donations...don't lump it in to the costs for folks who need treatment, Military or not.

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Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 07:48 PM
My deal is that those guys didn't choose to be soaked in AO, the government chose to do it so they need to pay.

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 07:54 PM
This will **** you off probably....

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No matter why someone is in Prison...ensuring they have healthcare is the right thing to do....it's our responsibility to take proper care of them.....:eek:

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 08:01 PM
Type II shouldn't be scoffed at.

If your borderline....lose some weight and get daily exercise. Watch what you eat until you get it under control....then try and figure out what makes it bad.

Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 08:05 PM
It's their responsibility to stay the **** out of prison in the first place!

olevetonahill
9/1/2010, 08:07 PM
I think part of why they are so against it is some swabby spent 8 hrs on shore and is now drawing 100% for diabetes

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 08:11 PM
I think part of why they are so against it is some swabby spent 8 hrs on shore and is now drawing 100% for diabetes

I know a Ex-Navel Lt. who is 100% for Seizures. Of course he did 20+ years and a number of Tours including time on most of the Worlds Oceans.

I won't take away anything for guys like Vet or my other bud....

Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 08:13 PM
Maybe, but overall it's just silly. So draw the line with the people that are milking the system, but for the guys that really are having problems thanks to the wonderful AO it's not right to even consider not following through with helping them, particularly after 40 years of more or less jerking them around on it.

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 08:15 PM
I don't think anyone with Type II diabetes is milking the system....I think the system is milking the taxpayers, the military and anyone who is cursed with it.

If these folks aren't treated and educated they end up in ERs where we chop their extremities off and then they become idigent / disabled and usually end up dying early after we flip the bill anyway. If we made the Companies responsible for the Hospital bills for the folks who can't afford insulin they might figure out a way to make it a foundation instead of a Comapny who has folks running it that make huge dough off all of our misery.

Imagine if they found a cure for some of these things? Who would they sell insulin to then?

http://www.idf.org/webdata/docs/Insulin_prod_list.pdf

Read this....

http://desperatestraights.com/forum/messages/53101.htm

Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 08:16 PM
That's very true. I just meant in the context vet was referring to.

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 08:22 PM
Sorry Crux. I don't mean to seem like I'm attacking...I have seen folks lose appendages for not only no reason but also because they just give in to it as it's so damn expensive and they would rather enjoy what little life they have left than to pay into these drug companies. They then go back to the life style they were used to and later die.

Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 08:24 PM
Oh, I know. It's crazy how many people suffer that much in a modern scientific age.

StoopTroup
9/1/2010, 08:27 PM
Yep. I know you know all about that too.

It's hard to believe that as Americans....we have so many people feeding off of other folks misery like these drug companies are doing.

I'm all for a Free Market as long as you don't try and monopolize that market and then let people die.

Crucifax Autumn
9/1/2010, 09:08 PM
The entire drug industry is crooked IMO. They may alleviate some of the intensity of suffering, but they rarely do away with it, choosing instead to prolong it as long as possible.

GKeeper316
9/2/2010, 10:00 PM
It's hard to believe that as Americans....we have so many people feeding off of other folks misery like these drug companies are doing.

the problem is that drug companies don't operate in a free market. the united states is the single largest producer of prescription medications, by far. almost everywhere else in the world, they are forced to sell their product in a price controlled environment. so that cost is then taken on by americans, because the drug companies' lobbyists have kept price contolled prescription medications out of american consumers' hands.

i dont begrudge the drug companies for trying to make a profit, but when they spend billions of dollars researching and developing drugs that have only marginal increased effect than non prescription, otc medications, and then turn around and charge people more than they make per month for medications they need to live, well thats an industry begging to be regulated.

GKeeper316
9/2/2010, 10:01 PM
The entire drug industry is crooked IMO. They may alleviate some of the intensity of suffering, but they rarely do away with it, choosing instead to prolong it as long as possible.

i once sat in on a panel of doctors, nurses, researchers, etc. who said if we really put forth the effort, we could cure cancer in ten years' time.

but we won't because there's more money in treating the illness than doing away with it competely.