Some Folks weren't payin' much attention

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

From Las Vegas Review-Journal, june 6, 2010. Wayne Allyn Root is a former roommate of Barack Obama at Columbia University.

Obama's Agenda: Overwhelm The System
Wayne Allyn Root

"Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.

Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward and Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kickback hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan."

[MR2-Sooner86]

Seriously why the copy and paste stuff? Not not put something up that's actually interesting like...the White House dinner with the camel jockeys while also in the same day allowing the Islamic dick to be rammed up the American *** with the Ground Zero Mosque?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Seriously why the copy and paste stuff? Not not put something up that's actually interesting like...the White House dinner with the camel jockeys while also in the same day allowing the Islamic dick to be rammed up the American *** with the Ground Zero Mosque?There ya go!

[delhalew]

As sad as it is...those are all valid concerns.

[OULenexaman]

everything I always said and knew from day 1 when he hit the senate seat by default....millions still aren't payin much attention.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Barack Obama is my baby daddy.

[StoopTroup]

The continued attempts to scare the bejeezus out of folks isn't going to change the fact that the American Public doesn't Trust the Pubs either.

[Serge Ibaka]

I'd like to point out that Obama never tried to push Universal Health Care onto the country.

That was Hilary in 1992.

Also, I've never read anything about Obama wanting to make PR the 51st state. Also, Bush 2 was involved in bailouts too--it's not some evil, socialist plot (unless Bush is a secret socialist, of course).

RLiMC's fear-mongering is cute however.

[delhalew]

The continued attempts to scare the bejeezus out of folks isn't going to change the fact that the American Public doesn't Trust the Pubs either.

Ignore everything around you. Pull the covers over head. Buy a new 3D TV. Rotate the tires on your Beemer. Is that what you are suggesting the American people should do?

[delhalew]

I'd like to point out that Obama never tried to push Universal Health Care onto the country.

That was Hilary in 1992.

Also, I've never read anything about Obama wanting to make PR the 51st state. Also, Bush 2 was involved in bailouts too--it's not some evil, socialist plot (unless Bush is a secret socialist, of course).

RLiMC's fear-mongering is cute however.

I love how people like you equate awareness to fear mongering. What about an American people paying attention scares YOU. That's rhetorical BTW.

[Serge Ibaka]

Ignore everything around you. Pull the covers over head. Buy a new 3D TV. Rotate the tires on your Beemer. Is that what you are suggesting the American people should do?

lol. I know you're afraid. But just because you feel so super-duper afraid, it doesn't mean that fear is legitimate.

[delhalew]

lol. I know you're afraid. But just because you feel so super-duper afraid, it doesn't mean that fear is legitimate.

Apparently, it is you who is afraid...perhaps you should be.

[Serge Ibaka]

I love how people like you equate awareness to fear mongering. What about an American people paying attention scares YOU. That's rhetorical BTW.

Did you not just read what I posted? RLiMC's points aren't even legitimate--they're complete nonsense.

Thus, any fear that those points are meant to suggest, is nonsense as well.

You guys don't even give the benefit of the doubt--for no reason at all, you start yelling "CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!"

There's no point in even arguing with you tools--Fox News has infected your brains.

[Serge Ibaka]

Read for truth: http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977623449

It speaks directly to RLiMC's last fear-mongering (erm, awareness!! lol lol lol lol) "fact."

[delhalew]

Did you not just read what I posted? RLiMC's points aren't even legitimate--they're complete nonsense.

Thus, any fear that those points are meant to suggest, is nonsense as well.

You guys don't even give the benefit of the doubt--for no reason at all, you start yelling "CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!"

There's no point in even arguing with you tools--Fox News has infected your brains.

Would it be possible for you to be more of a cartoon of yourself? Do you think Cloward and Piven are fictional characters?
http://www.bbcnewsamerica.com/latest-and-complete-information-about-cloward-and-piven-plan.html
Tell your bull**** to the naive automatons that are willing to tolerate you.

[jkjsooner]

A couple of things right off hand:

1. Puerto Ricans right now are entitled to many of the benefits offered other citizens yet most do not pay federal income taxes. I can't see how making it a state would be a financial hit to the U.S. considering we would be collecting income taxes from them. I suspect one big reason Puerto Ricans don't want PR to become a state is because of the tax issue.

2. Much of the bailout money has been paid back. Plus, as Serge mentioned the bailouts began long before Obama took office yet the likes of Rush want to attribute them all to Obama. Furthermore, much of the economic policies that have been implemented have been done so by the Fed with its Bush appointed Chairman.

But, of course, Rush never lets the facts get in his way.

[Serge Ibaka]

Would it be possible for you to be more of a cartoon of yourself? Do you think Cloward and Piven are fictional characters?
http://www.bbcnewsamerica.com/latest-and-complete-information-about-cloward-and-piven-plan.html
Tell your bull**** to the naive automatons that are willing to tolerate you.

What does this have to do with Obama or the current state of American politics? I read it through, and I couldn't find anything relevant. You're a fearful sheep and a failure.

[Pricetag]

I love how people like you equate awareness to fear mongering. What about an American people paying attention scares YOU. That's rhetorical BTW.
I love the idea of people paying attention, but I hate this kind of stuff because it's fake. It's the same lazy-assed mentality that these folks claim to hate, disguised as critical thinking. I think the republicans actually thought from 2000 through 2008 that another democrat would never get elected again, and when it happened, they started running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's going to be epic if President Obama wins re-election in 2012.

[dolemitesooner]

lmao. This is silly

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Would it be possible for you to be more of a cartoon of yourself? Do you think Cloward and Piven are fictional characters?
http://www.bbcnewsamerica.com/latest-and-complete-information-about-cloward-and-piven-plan.html
Tell your bull**** to the naive automatons that are willing to tolerate you.I think we would be surprised to know how many people haven't even seen or heard much of anything about Obama's past, or considered what he has done, and continues to do, the implications and likely results.

[MR2-Sooner86]

Much of the bailout money has been paid back

Unless you're GM.

[dolemitesooner]

RLIMC is everything that is printed on the internet fact?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

RLIMC is everything that is printed on the internet fact?Where the heck have you been?

[delhalew]

What does this have to do with Obama or the current state of American politics? I read it through, and I couldn't find anything relevant. You're a fearful sheep and a failure.

Are you that incapable of educating yourself? Do you have no capacity for critical thought? I'll bet the childrens puzzle books were you had to connect the dots to make the shape of monkey and a bear having a picnic made you cry. I never have tried to tell you people our problems began with a cookie cutter socialist named Obama. He is simply ******* in chief du jour.

Obama has laid out his beliefs in his own words for anyone with a library card. Read "Audacity of Hope". Only since running for President, has this guy made any attempt to hold his tongue. His contempt for our government and our people is in books and interviews for anyone to find. The man is just a brick in an institution. He is nothing special or more frightening than the parade of anti-American leaders we have had for a century.

[dolemitesooner]

Where the heck have you been?

you did not answer me question?

[delhalew]

A couple of things right off hand:

1. Puerto Ricans right now are entitled to many of the benefits offered other citizens yet most do not pay federal income taxes. I can't see how making it a state would be a financial hit to the U.S. considering we would be collecting income taxes from them. I suspect one big reason Puerto Ricans don't want PR to become a state is because of the tax issue.

2. Much of the bailout money has been paid back. Plus, as Serge mentioned the bailouts began long before Obama took office yet the likes of Rush want to attribute them all to Obama. Furthermore, much of the economic policies that have been implemented have been done so by the Fed with its Bush appointed Chairman.

But, of course, Rush never lets the facts get in his way.

You I can actually have a conversation with.
1. The only real reason dems would want this is to change the make-up of congress and the electoral college.
2.Be careful with the numbers presented when comes to economics. Particularly this Bailout ponze scheme. That money has been laundered so many times, we have no idea who has paid what. Hell, some banks were actually forbidden from paying it back.
Yes, some of this took place within the Bush administration. If you are looking to be afraid of something...the FED is the best place to start. Especially since Obama and a bipartisan congress just gave them more far reaching power than ever before.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

you did not answer me question?such a question isn't worth answering. Let's move on...where the heck you been?

[StoopTroup]

Ignore everything around you. Pull the covers over head. Buy a new 3D TV. Rotate the tires on your Beemer. Is that what you are suggesting the American people should do?

Nope. I'd tell you to make smart choices. Payoff your credit card debt. Don't get back into debt. Stay hooked up to technology no matter what as handling your business online is the best way to stay inthe game. Buy an old car or truck and make sure you own it....don't have a note on it at the bank. Keep liability only on your cheap vehicles and make sure you dont tailgate and keep your speed at least 5 MPH under the speed limit dont put yourself in risky situations. Play life really cool If gas gets expensive again...buy an old motorcycle or scooter to do your running around. Have a minimum $10,000 in your bank account and make sure it's in a secured account where you have to actually go down to the bank to draw on it if you need it. Avoid implulse buying and keep some cash in your pocket and one credit card. Avoid writing checks and using your debit card. Take advice from old rich people who say stuff like "the best time to be rich is when everybody else is poor". Read a history book and take a finance course again online. Do things that diversify your resume. Instead of spend your weekend at a concert or a NASCAR event...get a certification in real estate or some Govt licensed type of career whether or not you ever decide to pursue that field of endeavor.

Don't wait around thinking that some politician is going to improve your life. Buy a few guns and join a gun club and learn to use those guns. Don't just own one because your neighbor or best friend owns one and you want to be apart of the clic. Be your own man.

I'm available for consultations and if you PM me we can negotiate a fee for my course on helping you get your life back on track.

YWIA

ST. :D ;)

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[dolemitesooner]

Making babys I need more welfare

[StoopTroup]

Making babys I need more welfare

What's sup playa? :D
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[dolemitesooner]

pimpin

[StoopTroup]

pimpin


Well duh! I knows ya still gots game. Thing is ...have you got the G5 and a wad of cash for leaving yo friend Simple Dean as a hostage?

http://www.mannythemovieguy.com/images/les_grossman_movie_tom_cruise.jpg

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

pimpinDon't be a stranger around these parts!

[49r]

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????? Why am I ignored? LMAO Oh well?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

????? Why am I ignored? LMAO Oh well?Only 3 posters ignored in this thread. You're being heard/seen LOUD AND CLEAR.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

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:DWhy don't I have you on iggy?

[ELP Sooner]

Wayne Root the football TV tout? Real reliable source, if he is wrong you get free picks next week.

[delhalew]

Nope. I'd tell you to make smart choices. Payoff your credit card debt. Don't get back into debt. Stay hooked up to technology no matter what as handling your business online is the best way to stay inthe game. Buy an old car or truck and make sure you own it....don't have a note on it at the bank. Keep liability only on your cheap vehicles and make sure you dont tailgate and keep your speed at least 5 MPH under the speed limit dont put yourself in risky situations. Play life really cool If gas gets expensive again...buy an old motorcycle or scooter to do your running around. Have a minimum $10,000 in your bank account and make sure it's in a secured account where you have to actually go down to the bank to draw on it if you need it. Avoid implulse buying and keep some cash in your pocket and one credit card. Avoid writing checks and using your debit card. Take advice from old rich people who say stuff like "the best time to be rich is when everybody else is poor". Read a history book and take a finance course again online. Do things that diversify your resume. Instead of spend your weekend at a concert or a NASCAR event...get a certification in real estate or some Govt licensed type of career whether or not you ever decide to pursue that field of endeavor.

Don't wait around thinking that some politician is going to improve your life. Buy a few guns and join a gun club and learn to use those guns. Don't just own one because your neighbor or best friend owns one and you want to be apart of the clic. Be your own man.

I'm available for consultations and if you PM me we can negotiate a fee for my course on helping you get your life back on track.

YWIA

ST. :D ;)

http://www.affiliateblog.com/images/swalton.jpg

Good advice :D

[SicEmBaylor]

I love that you're quoting Wayne Allyn Root considering how much you dismiss Libertarians.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I love that you're quoting Wayne Allyn Root considering how much you dismiss Libertarians.Things would be better if you knew what you were talking about.

[SicEmBaylor]

Things would be better if you knew what you were talking about.

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh God...

You do know he was Bob Barr's running mate, right?

See, I've actually voted for this guy in a national election.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh God...

You do know he was Bob Barr's running mate, right?

See, I've actually voted for this guy in a national election. So what? You don't know much about my view of Libertarians, and what would make you think I wouldn't believe what Root said? It's the Kool-aid lefties that would refuse to believe Root. Loook at their comments in this thread.

[SicEmBaylor]

So what? You don't know much about my view of Libertarians, and what would make you think I wouldn't believe what Root said? It's the Kool-aid lefties that would refuse to believe Root. Loook at their comments in this thread.

I know that for years whenever I've tried to advance the Libertarian cause around here you dismiss supporting Libertarians as not only a waste of votes but potentially "dangerous" because it splits votes away from Republican candidates thus making it easy for liberals and Democrats to get elected. I never doubted that you "believe" Root...that's not the point.

Let me make this point...when did you ever hear McCain speak in these terms? And yet you supported McCain and the brain-dead bimbo Palin over Barr and Root. My point is this...you should have been out supporting this guy all along and doing whatever you could to get him and his running mate elected instead of that ******* McCain the last election. If more people thought the way I did then we may be enjoying a renaissance of Liberty in this country with HIM in office instead of Obama.

Oh but I forgot...I'm to blame because I supported him over a Republican. :eyeroll:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I know that for years whenever I've tried to advance the Libertarian cause around here you dismiss supporting Libertarians as not only a waste of votes but potentially "dangerous" because it splits votes away from Republican candidates thus making it easy for liberals and Democrats to get elected. I never doubted that you "believe" Root...that's not the point.

Let me make this point...when did you ever hear McCain speak in these terms? And yet you supported McCain and the brain-dead bimbo Palin over Barr and Root. My point is this...you should have been out supporting this guy all along and doing whatever you could to get him and his running mate elected instead of that ******* McCain the last election. If more people thought the way I did then we may be enjoying a renaissance of Liberty in this country with HIM in office instead of Obama.

Oh but I forgot...I'm to blame because I supported him over a Republican. :eyeroll:You sorta downplayed the part that the Libertarian Party doesn't have enough numbers to do anything except hand the election to the Socialists/Statists/ Progressives(Democrats) haha The only way to beat the commies is to have enough actual conservatives in the R party. You act as though the R's are just like the D's. Of course a few are, but most are not.

Also, what makes you buy into the Lib mantra of Palin as stupid? Didn't you know, ALL conservatives are horribly flawed in the eyes of the Left.(Stupid and/or crazy,racist, homophobic, religious nuts etc.)

Root needs to work his way into the R party to be ACTUALLY effective, in a positive way.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Problem with that is people in the center and on the right ALSO think she's stupid.

[SicEmBaylor]

You sorta downplayed the part that the Libertarian Party doesn't have enough numbers to do anything except hand the election to the Socialists/Statists/ Progressives(Democrats) haha The only way to beat the commies is to have enough actual conservatives in the R party. You act as though the R's are just like the D's. Of course a few are, but most are not.

It doesn't have enough numbers because of folks like yourself who refuse to hold the Republican Party accountable for its actions. If more people thought less like you do and more like I do then the Libertarian Party would be far more viable, but as long as "conservatives" keep their head up their *** and supporting anyone with an (R) next to their name then NOTHING is ever going to change. The only thing any politician or political party understands is defeat and punishing bad behavior by continuing to support that bad behavior is no way to improve anything.

The R's are just like the D's. You're under the illusion that both political parties are ideologically based. They are not. The Republican Party is different from the Democrat Party only in terms of the degree to which they believe in Government power. There is no question that the Republican Party believes in a powerful centralized government anymore than the Democrats do -- it's simply a question of where they choose to champion that power and the degree to which they exercise it. NEITHER major party in this country is ideological. If you're expecting the Republican Party to be the "conservative" party then you should have been disappointed a long long time ago.


Also, what makes you buy into the Lib mantra of Palin as stupid? Didn't you know, ALL conservatives are horribly flawed in the eyes of the Left.(Stupid and/or crazy,racist, homophobic, religious nuts etc.)

Let me explain something about myself. I don't "buy" into anything. I don't listen to talk radio as a way to form my opinion. I don't form my opinion based on what pundits say, what talk radio says, what I read in blogs, etc. I form my opinion based on my own independent observation and it doesn't take a lot of effort to observe the fact that Palin isn't exactly one of the movement's great-thinkers. She's a sloganeering bumper-sticker "conservative" who appeals to the lowest common denominator.


Root needs to work his way into the R party to be ACTUALLY effective, in a positive way.
You just don't get it. You just don't f'ing get it and you never will.

[delhalew]

Problem with that is people in the center and on the right ALSO think she's stupid.

I don't think she is stupid. I'd like to see anyone on this board under the camera lights. Most of us would make Dubya look like Aristotle...no matter how intelligent we are. It takes being groomed your whole life to look good in that circumstance. Do you really want another person raised to be pres from their youth?

[KC//CRIMSON]

Things would be better if you knew what you were talking about.

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[Crucifax Autumn]

I don't think she is stupid. I'd like to see anyone on this board under the camera lights. Most of us would make Dubya look like Aristotle...no matter how intelligent we are. It takes being groomed your whole life to look good in that circumstance. Do you really want another person raised to be pres from their youth?

Dude...She's stupid on twitter. She's stupid in her book. This isn't just a matter of sounding dumb when the cameras come on. What she stands for is great, but that woman should NEVER have any real power.

[ndpruitt03]

It doesn't have enough numbers because of folks like yourself who refuse to hold the Republican Party accountable for its actions. If more people thought less like you do and more like I do then the Libertarian Party would be far more viable, but as long as "conservatives" keep their head up their *** and supporting anyone with an (R) next to their name then NOTHING is ever going to change. The only thing any politician or political party understands is defeat and punishing bad behavior by continuing to support that bad behavior is no way to improve anything.

The R's are just like the D's. You're under the illusion that both political parties are ideologically based. They are not. The Republican Party is different from the Democrat Party only in terms of the degree to which they believe in Government power. There is no question that the Republican Party believes in a powerful centralized government anymore than the Democrats do -- it's simply a question of where they choose to champion that power and the degree to which they exercise it. NEITHER major party in this country is ideological. If you're expecting the Republican Party to be the "conservative" party then you should have been disappointed a long long time ago.



Let me explain something about myself. I don't "buy" into anything. I don't listen to talk radio as a way to form my opinion. I don't form my opinion based on what pundits say, what talk radio says, what I read in blogs, etc. I form my opinion based on my own independent observation and it doesn't take a lot of effort to observe the fact that Palin isn't exactly one of the movement's great-thinkers. She's a sloganeering bumper-sticker "conservative" who appeals to the lowest common denominator.


You just don't get it. You just don't f'ing get it and you never will.

I agree with much of this. And I hope this tea party thing changes the mentality of both powers, I would love to see a Chris Christie run for president in a couple years. I think he's the next Calvin Coolidge type guy that can turn things around back to being a less federal government centered country like we are now.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Too many career politicians suddenly believing in the Tea Party and trying to take over. Pretty much the same thing that's wrong with the Green Party, but worse.

[delhalew]

Dude...She's stupid on twitter. She's stupid in her book. This isn't just a matter of sounding dumb when the cameras come on. What she stands for is great, but that woman should NEVER have any real power.

Just to play devils advocate here...everybody is stupid on twitter.

[ndpruitt03]

Just to play devils advocate here...everybody is stupid on twitter.

And she is less dumb than about 99% of the other people on twitter. I don't like Palin that much. She says some good things and some things that are just way off. But judging anyone by twitter is stupid.

[Crucifax Autumn]

That only gets her up to the bottom 1% of the rest of humanity.

[49r]

Why don't I have you on iggy?

I suppose only you would know the answer to that.

[TopDawg]

The R's are just like the D's. You're under the illusion that both political parties are ideologically based. They are not. The Republican Party is different from the Democrat Party only in terms of the degree to which they believe in Government power. There is no question that the Republican Party believes in a powerful centralized government anymore than the Democrats do -- it's simply a question of where they choose to champion that power and the degree to which they exercise it. NEITHER major party in this country is ideological. If you're expecting the Republican Party to be the "conservative" party then you should have been disappointed a long long time ago.

I have a friend who is very active in this state in the Republican Party. He can't see what you're talking about either. His facebook feed was pretty quiet until Obama took office and now it's a litany of things "Obama and the dims" have done that are just repulsive. Of course, most of them are things that "Bush and the Pubs" did too. My favorite was earlier this week when he posted a link to this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm

He was complaining about how federal employees, on average, get paid so much more than the private sector. What he failed to acknowledge was that --ACCORDING TO THE VERY STORY HE POSTED--in 2000 (when Bush took office) the gap between the average federal employee pay and the average private sector employee pay was HALF what it is now (approx. 30,000 then while it's 60,000 now). And that this year Obama suggested the lowest pay increase (1.4%) that they've seen in the past decade.

Now there is still room to have a meaningful discussion about what is a reasonable amount for federal employees to make, but that's not what he wants to talk about. He wants to talk about how awful Obama is despite the fact that the gap widened significantly under Bush's watch.

[SicEmBaylor]

I have a friend who is very active in this state in the Republican Party. He can't see what you're talking about either. His facebook feed was pretty quiet until Obama took office and now it's a litany of things "Obama and the dims" have done that are just repulsive. Of course, most of them are things that "Bush and the Pubs" did too. My favorite was earlier this week when he posted a link to this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm

He was complaining about how federal employees, on average, get paid so much more than the private sector. What he failed to acknowledge was that --ACCORDING TO THE VERY STORY HE POSTED--in 2000 (when Bush took office) the gap between the average federal employee pay and the average private sector employee pay was HALF what it is now (approx. 30,000 then while it's 60,000 now). And that this year Obama suggested the lowest pay increase (1.4%) that they've seen in the past decade.

Now there is still room to have a meaningful discussion about what is a reasonable amount for federal employees to make, but that's not what he wants to talk about. He wants to talk about how awful Obama is despite the fact that the gap widened significantly under Bush's watch.

See, I've never thought or complained about government employees making more than the private sector. I'd be shocked if government employees made more than their private sector counterparts. The problem isn't with how much they make (with some exceptions such as school superintendents); the problem is with how many of them there are.

In any case, I've decided that it comes down to a "team" mentality in this country. You're either on one side or the other with your side being the greatest thing since sliced bread and the other side being the personification of evil.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I suppose only you would know the answer to that.You're not quite as insulting and outrageous as most of the ones that I have on ignore.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

See, I've never thought or complained about government employees making more than the private sector. I'd be shocked if government employees made more than their private sector counterparts. The problem isn't with how much they make (with some exceptions such as school superintendents); the problem is with how many of them there are.

In any case, I've decided that it comes down to a "team" mentality in this country. You're either on one side or the other with your side being the greatest thing since sliced bread and the other side being the personification of evil.It's simple math, genius. It's surprising you don't realize that.

I've been away all afternoon and evening, but I just read all the insults you've laid on me. I know I'll not change your mind about the mathematical reality of the vote, but you might at least think about it some more. Remember, one half divided by 2 is one quarter, vs the remaining half. That's not ever going to win.
Remember, there's strength in numbers, and united we stand, divided we fail...capiche?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I agree with much of this. And I hope this tea party thing changes the mentality of both powers, I would love to see a Chris Christie run for president in a couple years. I think he's the next Calvin Coolidge type guy that can turn things around back to being a less federal government centered country like we are now.and, he is smart by being a R, instead of 3rd party. I'd love to see him run for pres., too.

[HBick]

I'm defecting

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm defectingYou joining up with Barack and the Ruling Class?

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm defacating.

[Half a Hundred]

I'm defragmenting.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I would love a black president if he was Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. Snopes said the article checked out. You may not know that:

Wayne Root's political columns appear in the Las Vegas Review Journal[4] and at Newsmax.com.[5] He is a Senior Economic Advisor to Wealth Masters International, a global financial services and education company based in Houston, Texas.

At the 2008 Libertarian National Convention, Root was eliminated on the fifth ballot in a bid for the presidential nomination, and subsequently became the vice presidential candidate alongside Libertarian nominee Bob Barr. Root lost a bid to become Chair of the Libertarian Party at the 2010 Convention.

Root was born in Mount Vernon, New York, the son of the late David and Stella Root. His father was a butcher from Bronxville, Westchester, NY, who dabbled in third party politics as one of the original founders of the New York State Conservative Party.[6]

Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama)[7].

[jkjsooner]

It's simple math, genius. It's surprising you don't realize that.

I've been away all afternoon and evening, but I just read all the insults you've laid on me. I know I'll not change your mind about the mathematical reality of the vote, but you might at least think about it some more. Remember, one half divided by 2 is one quarter, vs the remaining half. That's not ever going to win.
Remember, there's strength in numbers, and united we stand, divided we fail...capiche?

To get off-topic for a minute, I think our founding fathers were very intelligent men and created a great political system. I do think they messed up here. Our voting rules makes it virtually impossible to sustain a 3 or more party system. As a result we're forced to fit into one of two molds and most of our beliefs (except for RLIMC of course) simply doesn't align neatly with either political party.

I'm not proposing to change the system but it would be interesting if we had either a run-off type sytem if nobody gets > 50% of the vote or a double ballot system.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm not about to read this whole drooling thread of anger and ignorance, but did someone already point out that Puerto Ricans RECEIVE Federal funding, benefits and protection?

I mean...if the "genius" who wrote the original article couldn't even get THAT fact right...do you want to try to give any of his other tin foil hat rantings weight?

Me thinks not.

[ndpruitt03]

I'm not about to read this whole drooling thread of anger and ignorance, but did someone already point out that Puerto Ricans RECEIVE Federal funding, benefits and protection?

I mean...if the "genius" who wrote the original article couldn't even get THAT fact right...do you want to try to give any of his other tin foil hat rantings weight?

Me thinks not.

There's not that much that the politicians do that makes that much sense either.

[Scott D]

Here's what this thread looks like to RLiMC:



(et.c.)
:D

it'd be far more entertaining if he had himself on ignore as well.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSooner
"I'm not about to read this whole drooling thread of anger and ignorance, but did someone already point out that Puerto Ricans RECEIVE Federal funding, benefits and protection?
I mean...if the "genius" who wrote the original article couldn't even get THAT fact right...do you want to try to give any of his other tin foil hat rantings weight?
Me thinks not."

A sharp little tack you are. It makes complete sense to refuse to believe anything someone says if they once made an error...doesn't it? haha

[49r]

it'd be far more entertaining if he had himself on ignore as well.

Who says he doesn't? :D

[Scott D]

I'd wager it's more senility than having himself on ignore.

[sooneron]

I agree with much of this. And I hope this tea party thing changes the mentality of both powers, I would love to see a Chris Christie run for president in a couple years. I think he's the next Calvin Coolidge type guy that can turn things around back to being a less federal government centered country like we are now.

Was Coolidge completely unethical?

"He is the most unethical person that I have ever interacted with on a professional level."
That is what a good friend said when I asked him about CC before the election that booted Corzine (cough* another tool *cough). He worked directly with Christie in the US Atty's office. He had no sour grapes with him politically as he is a republican. Do you live in NJ? The grass is always greener. Basically, Jabba the Gov is no better than most of your "run of the mill, do anything to get elected, curry favors for donors" politician.
Oh yeah, then there's the slander/defamation thing.

[soonerhubs]

Not sure where this applies, but I'm posting it here:

Sometimes I agree with President Obama so that Glenn Beck's tears for me aren't shed in vain. ;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Not sure where this applies, but I'm posting it here:

Sometimes I agree with President Obama so that Glenn Beck's tears for me aren't shed in vain. ;)That shows you are the caring SOB we always thought you were.

[ddub0224]

Another thread where the Obama kool-aid drinkers run to his defense by bashing George Bush. Yeah Bush started the bailouts which Dems claimed as reckless Rep. spending. Now Obama has spent more that GWB and its ok because it's GWB's fault. Come on already, this guy and everyone in Washington is fiscally irresponsible. They'll all spend money and make deals to get re-elected. Stop defending him. You have to identify the problem in order to fix it.

[Rocko]

Unless you're GM.

Too bad the government loans were payed back in full five years ahead of schedule on April 21st. Get with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/general-motors-repays-81-billion-government-loans/story?id=10437944

[Scott D]

I identified the problem long ago sweet cheeks. The problem is, I have as much desire to be on the FBI watch list, as my grandfather had to be on Hoover's FBI watch list.