So, WTF is up with the mormon commercials?

[Sooner_Havok]

I mean really, in my car, on TV, I am being bombarded with those "I am a(n) X, and I am a Mormon" ads.

[Boomer.....]

I've been thinking the same thing. Since when did they come into all of this money to brag about themselves like the Indians?

[OklahomaTuba]

Probably to help beat back some of the bigotry and hate speech that is all to common these days by the angry little Hatetheists.

[kbsooner21]

It's really pissing me off

[stoops the eternal pimp]

I've been thinking the same thing. Since when did they come into all of this money to brag about themselves like the Indians?

Hey, I'm in one of those Indian TV commercials....your welcome whitey!

[Sooner_Havok]

Probably to help beat back some of the bigotry and hate speech that is all to common these days by the angry little Hatetheists.

Well thanks for that enlightened, and in no way angry, bigoted, or hateful jab Tuba. If only the Hatetheists could learn from your kind, forgiving, Christian example. :rolleyes:

But yeah. I don't see Baptist or Catholic commercials. And come on, the Catholics need some good PR right now.

I mean, I have seen Scientology commercials, but never commercials for legitimate, non-cult, religions.

[Sooner_Havok]

Hey, I'm in one of those Indian TV commercials....your welcome whitey!

Like 90% of the people in those commercials look WAY whiter than me. :D

[C&CDean]

I mean, I have seen Scientology commercials, but never commercials for legitimate, non-cult, religions.

Uh, you sure Mormonism ain't a cult?

No offense to hubler.

[Frozen Sooner]

Uh, you sure Mormonism ain't a cult?

No offense to hubler.

Dean must be one of them there Hatetheists.

Welcome, Dean.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Like 90% of the people in those commercials look WAY whiter than me. :D

most of those people in with the medical people in it are just working to so IHS will pay off their loans...straight honkys

[GottaHavePride]

I'd say there are enough non-weird Mormons around to qualify them as Not A Cult. On the other hand, I haven't met a Scientologist that wasn't bat-**** crazy.

[Sooner_Havok]

Uh, you sure Mormonism ain't a cult?

No offense to hubler.

Well there is no doubt that they are weird and what not, but for the most part the are pretty non-threatening. Besides, the only difference between a cult and a religion is size. The Roman Empire considered Christianity a cult.

Also, I am convinced that Mormons single-handedly keep bicycle helmet manufacturers in business.

[C&CDean]

I don't believe I've ever met a scientologist that I know of. I hear John Travolta and that other little weirdo **** who played in Top Gun are one of these things, but to my knowledge, I've never seen a real one in real life. Do they look freaky?

[Sooner_Havok]

most of those people in with the medical people in it are just working to so IHS will pay off their loans...straight honkys

Not a bad gig, how can a whitey like myself get in on this racket?

[Sooner_Havok]

I don't believe I've ever met a scientologist that I know of. I hear John Travolta and that other little weirdo **** who played in Top Gun are one of these things, but to my knowledge, I've never seen a real one in real life. Do they look freaky?

They believe they can think you out of existence. :eek:

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Not a bad gig, how can a whitey like myself get in on this racket?

tell the great spirit you the white devil are sorry that your white and you'll do whatever he says to do ..

[Boomer.....]

Not a bad gig, how can a whitey like myself get in on this racket?

Visit the casinos enough and they will put you in one.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

favorite snack at an indian casino is crackers

[Scott D]

I don't believe I've ever met a scientologist that I know of. I hear John Travolta and that other little weirdo **** who played in Top Gun are one of these things, but to my knowledge, I've never seen a real one in real life. Do they look freaky?

come up here, I'll take you to their office building just up the street from me. I ain't got no beef with em, they're quiet, pay their rent and apparently have no problem hiring non scientologists to work there.

[yermom]

Well thanks for that enlightened, and in no way angry, bigoted, or hateful jab Tuba. If only the Hatetheists could learn from your kind, forgiving, Christian example. :rolleyes:

But yeah. I don't see Baptist or Catholic commercials. And come on, the Catholics need some good PR right now.

I mean, I have seen Scientology commercials, but never commercials for legitimate, non-cult, religions.

i'd like to see an example of one of these :D

[OhU1]

Probably to help beat back some of the bigotry and hate speech that is all to common these days by the angry little Hatetheists.

Oh really? It's the 5% of the population that are athiests that attack Mormons calling them a cult, not other Christians. Got it. ;)

[Boarder]

Mitt Romney is planning on running again. The Mormons are preempting this run by making Mormonism look as normal as possible. This is to avoid people using "he's a Mormon" as a slam.

At least, this is the theory that a lot of ex-Mormons hold.

[Leroy Lizard]

I loved the Mormon's old ads. The kids make a mistake. Expect the dad to rail all over them. But he keeps it in check, letting the fam know that it's all cool.

Those were real tearjerkers (if I cried).

[SunnySooner]

I was taught Mormonism is a cult because it was founded Joseph Smith, a treasure hunter with a shady past including some run-ins with the law for con games and such. He claimed he was visited by the angel "Moroni", who revealed the location of some golden plates that he himself translated with "seer stones" found with the plates. The story of the translation is a convoluted mess, no one other than Joseph Smith ever actually saw the golden plates, and he claimed the angel took them back after the translation was done. That translation was the Book of Mormon, which was added to the Bible, and is the main reason most traditional Christians consider Mormonism a cult--it adds to the Bible, which the Bible itself says is a no-no and to beware of those who try to do it.

The Book of Mormon was popular, especially with men, however, because it taught that they could achieve equal status with God, becoming in effect gods themselves, and encouraged plural marriage, with lots of children from each wife. In other words, LOTS of sex, often with teenagers, and very young women and the ability to take on a new one when you got tired of the ones you had.

The church today is much differerent from that, of course, but I do believe Mormonism is a cult, and it makes me sad because I have some friends who are Mormon and they are great people. I just believe they are very devoutly wrong and I hope someday they see the errors in the teachings of their church. I also hope God deals kindly with them, but I honestly don't know what their judgment will be. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.

[Chuck Bao]

OH MY GOD, I was really, really, really drunk somewhere in the world and just ****ing ran into a lot of Mormons. I remember a bit of it now. It was outside the San Francisco airport and I was smoking a pack of cigarettes before my flight. There was a huge and I mean really huge parade of them. It was almost like when you are sitting at a railroad crossing and you are counting the railcars and you are expecting the caboose to be coming along shortly, but it doesn't. It was like that and there were more than 200 of them and, as it turns out they were all on my flight from San Francisco to Taipei.

As I mentioned, I was really, really drunk and then somehow got really, really friendly with them talking about Asia and college football. They were all going to the Philippines and I was going back to Thailand and I didn't see how that hurt.

Anyway, I think my point is that these Mormons were good kids and they were taking their first trip overseas. I have to respect that.

I just pray that they are not going to follow Tebow in circumsizing little brown foreskins.

[picasso]

I don't believe I've ever met a scientologist that I know of. I hear John Travolta and that other little weirdo **** who played in Top Gun are one of these things, but to my knowledge, I've never seen a real one in real life. Do they look freaky?

Don't forget Uncle Charlie. He got as high as you can get without donating money.

Anyway, who cares? Baptist commercial, Mormon commercial, muffler shop commercial. Big flippin' deal.

[Sooner24]

I was taught Mormonism is a cult because it was founded Joseph Smith, a treasure hunter with a shady past including some run-ins with the law for con games and such. He claimed he was visited by the angel "Moroni", who revealed the location of some golden plates that he himself translated with "seer stones" found with the plates. The story of the translation is a convoluted mess, no one other than Joseph Smith ever actually saw the golden plates, and he claimed the angel took them back after the translation was done. That translation was the Book of Mormon, which was added to the Bible, and is the main reason most traditional Christians consider Mormonism a cult--it adds to the Bible, which the Bible itself says is a no-no and to beware of those who try to do it.

The Book of Mormon was popular, especially with men, however, because it taught that they could achieve equal status with God, becoming in effect gods themselves, and encouraged plural marriage, with lots of children from each wife. In other words, LOTS of sex, often with teenagers, and very young women and the ability to take on a new one when you got tired of the ones you had.

The church today is much differerent from that, of course, but I do believe Mormonism is a cult, and it makes me sad because I have some friends who are Mormon and they are great people. I just believe they are very devoutly wrong and I hope someday they see the errors in the teachings of their church. I also hope God deals kindly with them, but I honestly don't know what their judgment will be. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.

Sounds like Woodstock to me.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Mitt Romney is planning on running again. The Mormons are preempting this run by making Mormonism look as normal as possible. This is to avoid people using "he's a Mormon" as a slam.

At least, this is the theory that a lot of ex-Mormons hold.

That's EXACTLY what I was gonna say.

[AlbqSooner]

Visit the casinos enough and they will put you in one.

I visited one just one time. Been working there ever since. They have promoted me to one of the highest non-native positions they have and have treated me VERY well for a cracker.

[jkjsooner]

I don't believe I've ever met a scientologist that I know of. I hear John Travolta and that other little weirdo **** who played in Top Gun are one of these things, but to my knowledge, I've never seen a real one in real life. Do they look freaky?

I know a guy who got sucked into the scientology thing - to the point where he lived on some scientology commune or something in California. Family finally got him away and staged an intervention. The guy's stories are hilarious.

It's even more interesting when you consider that he has a PhD in microbiology and works at the National Institute of Science and Technology.

Anyway, Tuba, do you consider Baptists to be Hatetheists. I remember seeing some pretty crazy anti-Mormon videos in my Southern Baptist church growing up.

[Okla-homey]

Mitt Romney is planning on running again. The Mormons are preempting this run by making Mormonism look as normal as possible. This is to avoid people using "he's a Mormon" as a slam.

At least, this is the theory that a lot of ex-Mormons hold.

I'd vote for a Mo-mo in a heartbeat.

They're fine Americans who beleive in self-reliance and hard work...with the exception of the wacky Mo-mo splinter groups on the fringe which believe its fine to father dozens of kids with multiple wives and live off their combined WIC and AFDC benefits.

But your garden-variety mainstream Mo-mo is generally a fine person, worthy of your respect. Moreover, they're the only white people having more than two kids nowadays, which is a plus.;)

[swardboy]

I was taught Mormonism is a cult because it was founded Joseph Smith, a treasure hunter with a shady past including some run-ins with the law for con games and such. He claimed he was visited by the angel "Moroni", who revealed the location of some golden plates that he himself translated with "seer stones" found with the plates. The story of the translation is a convoluted mess, no one other than Joseph Smith ever actually saw the golden plates, and he claimed the angel took them back after the translation was done. That translation was the Book of Mormon, which was added to the Bible, and is the main reason most traditional Christians consider Mormonism a cult--it adds to the Bible, which the Bible itself says is a no-no and to beware of those who try to do it.

The Book of Mormon was popular, especially with men, however, because it taught that they could achieve equal status with God, becoming in effect gods themselves, and encouraged plural marriage, with lots of children from each wife. In other words, LOTS of sex, often with teenagers, and very young women and the ability to take on a new one when you got tired of the ones you had.

The church today is much differerent from that, of course, but I do believe Mormonism is a cult, and it makes me sad because I have some friends who are Mormon and they are great people. I just believe they are very devoutly wrong and I hope someday they see the errors in the teachings of their church. I also hope God deals kindly with them, but I honestly don't know what their judgment will be. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.

You are so on the money Sunny. The two major flags in determining a cult vs. "orthodox" Christianity:
1) How does it handle the divinity of Christ?
2) Does it utilize extra-biblical revelation?

On point 1, Mormonism denies the sufficiency of the death of Christ once-for-all by demanding that He pop up in the Americas post-resurrection.

On point 2, there are a couple of extra-biblical revelations the church holds as "inspired" writings

[soonerbrat]

My guess is that they are trying to combat the image being portrayed on "Big Love"

[Sooner_Havok]

Mitt Romney is planning on running again. The Mormons are preempting this run by making Mormonism look as normal as possible. This is to avoid people using "he's a Mormon" as a slam.

At least, this is the theory that a lot of ex-Mormons hold.

Eh, wouldn't the population be smart enough to realize they had watched like 20 hours of pro-Mormon commercials? Wait, never mind...:mad:


i'd like to see an example of one of these :D

Hey, I'm trying to be nice here! :D

[Crucifax Autumn]

People are dumb.

[Soonerus]

Morman blitz...

[Frozen Sooner]

I was taught Mormonism is a cult because it was founded Joseph Smith, a treasure hunter with a shady past including some run-ins with the law for con games and such. He claimed he was visited by the angel "Moroni", who revealed the location of some golden plates that he himself translated with "seer stones" found with the plates. The story of the translation is a convoluted mess, no one other than Joseph Smith ever actually saw the golden plates, and he claimed the angel took them back after the translation was done. That translation was the Book of Mormon, which was added to the Bible, and is the main reason most traditional Christians consider Mormonism a cult--it adds to the Bible, which the Bible itself says is a no-no and to beware of those who try to do it.

The Book of Mormon was popular, especially with men, however, because it taught that they could achieve equal status with God, becoming in effect gods themselves, and encouraged plural marriage, with lots of children from each wife. In other words, LOTS of sex, often with teenagers, and very young women and the ability to take on a new one when you got tired of the ones you had.

The church today is much differerent from that, of course, but I do believe Mormonism is a cult, and it makes me sad because I have some friends who are Mormon and they are great people. I just believe they are very devoutly wrong and I hope someday they see the errors in the teachings of their church. I also hope God deals kindly with them, but I honestly don't know what their judgment will be. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.


You are so on the money Sunny. The two major flags in determining a cult vs. "orthodox" Christianity:
1) How does it handle the divinity of Christ?
2) Does it utilize extra-biblical revelation?

On point 1, Mormonism denies the sufficiency of the death of Christ once-for-all by demanding that He pop up in the Americas post-resurrection.

On point 2, there are a couple of extra-biblical revelations the church holds as "inspired" writings

Careful, you two hatethiests. Tuba's on to you.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Must be all that Prop 8 stuff.

[Soonerus]

I agree....

[soonerhubs]

LoL!

Yep. We're the crazy ones.

So you Protestants trust that the Catholic monks that you fought against kept the Word perfect and pure.

I bet Martin Luther gets a kick out of that.

Oh well... Hell's bells.

You keep ahold of your delusions while I keep ahold of mine.

[soonerhubs]

Must be all that Prop 8 stuff.

I bet you're right. My neighbor told me he's heard alot of these as of late.


Also... IB the two regular Mormon bashers post.

[soonerscuba]

My personal preference is to believe none of it. But I were ranking groups of people in which I need to be concerned about, Mormons would be pretty damn low on the list. Whatever they believe is their right, and they seem to raise hot girls, hard workers, and good salespeople. I'll pass on bashing them.

[Sooner_Havok]

My personal preference is to believe none of it. But I were ranking groups of people in which I need to be concerned about, Mormons would be pretty damn low on the list. Whatever they believe is their right, and they seem to raise hot girls, hard workers, and good salespeople. I'll pass on bashing them.

Which brings me back to the original point of the post: WTF LDS Church, you're a church, not a fast food company, you don't run commercials.

[HBick]

I'm 2 days late but me and my roommates were talking about this earlier in the week. Between the recovered addict who rides a sick *** scraper bike in the ghetto and the the others it's really wearing me out.

I'm surprised the christian groups in my great state haven't started a protest at the capital over it.

[Leroy Lizard]

Which brings me back to the original point of the post: WTF LDS Church, you're a church, not a fast food company, you don't run commercials.

http://www.randomville.com/Image/music/music_features/whigs4DaveyGoliath.jpg

[soonerhubs]

Which brings me back to the original point of the post: WTF LDS Church, you're a church, not a fast food company, you don't run commercials.

Yep. It's nothing like all the Billboard signs on I-40, or the plugs from the Methodist church we hear daily on the radio.

Most churches have PR. :D

[Sooner_Havok]

Yep. It's nothing like all the Billboard signs on I-40, or the plugs from the Methodist church we hear daily on the radio.

Most churches have PR. :D

I never really noticed any affiliation to most of the billboards. I mean I have seen the "Jesus Saves" and "Jesus wasn't a Socialist" and "God is Love" but I never noticed that they where tied to any specific church. I always assumed they were put up by the snake handler churches.

And I really can't remember ever hearing a Methodist commercial, Which isn't to say they don't exist, just that they don't play them on the stations I listen to.. And like I said, if any church needs some PR now, it is the Catholics. Pedo-priests and Nazi-Pope aren't good for a churches image.

[Leroy Lizard]

And I really can't remember ever hearing a Methodist commercial, Which isn't to say they don't exist, just that they don't play them on the stations I listen to.. And like I said, if any church needs some PR now, it is the Catholics. Pedo-priests and Nazi-Pope aren't good for a churches image.

The Catholic Church needs to make some fundamental changes in its bylaws. Requiring celibacy from its priests is no longer a good idea.

[yermom]

I bet you're right. My neighbor told me he's heard alot of these as of late.


Also... IB the two regular Mormon bashers post.

as more of a religion basher, i somehow kinda end up defending the outliers :D

i do find the polygamy thing a bit odd. it sure seems that God decided it was a bad idea about when the US really applied pressure about it

it's not like there isn't polygamy in the Bible. i don't really remember when it became taboo. the flood? New Testament?

[yermom]

I never really noticed any affiliation to most of the billboards. I mean I have seen the "Jesus Saves" and "Jesus wasn't a Socialist" and "God is Love" but I never noticed that they where tied to any specific church. I always assumed they were put up by the snake handler churches.

And I really can't remember ever hearing a Methodist commercial, Which isn't to say they don't exist, just that they don't play them on the stations I listen to.. And like I said, if any church needs some PR now, it is the Catholics. Pedo-priests and Nazi-Pope aren't good for a churches image.

the Katt plays that Methodist ad thing every morning, or at least they did when i listened to them in the mornings for years

[Sooner_Havok]

the Katt plays that Methodist ad thing every morning, or at least they did when i listened to them in the mornings for years

Really? I guess I never listened to the KATT early in the morning. I only really listen to NPR, satellite radio, and a little (very little) WWLS.

Hmmm, OK guess the Mormon commercials aren't as weird as I had originally thought. Still, they are getting annoying.

[soonerhubs]

Really? I guess I never listened to the KATT early in the morning. I only really listen to NPR, satellite radio, and a little (very little) WWLS.

Hmmm, OK guess the Mormon commercials aren't as weird as I had originally thought. Still, they are getting annoying.

I haven't heard them yet myself. On what station have you noticed them?

[yermom]

it took me a minute to remember the name: http://www.mychapelhill.org/

[Leroy Lizard]

I would hate to see the vitriol if Mormons ran ads that were truly controversial.

[Sooner_Havok]

I haven't heard them yet myself. On what station have you noticed them?

Well, It would have to be WWLS and KRXO. Those are about the only two local stations I ever listen to anymore.

The TV ads have been running on at least NBC, FOX, and Travel.

(Can you tell I have a limited range of what I listen to and watch? :D )

[soonerhubs]

Well, It would have to be WWLS and KRXO. Those are about the only two local stations I ever listen to anymore.

The TV ads have been running on at least NBC, FOX, and Travel.

(Can you tell I have a limited range of what I listen to and watch? :D )

You like NPR so you're cool with me. :D

[Sooner_Havok]

I would hate to see the vitriol if Mormons ran ads that were truly controversial.

Vitriol? Really? I think most people have been pretty legit. The biggest a-hole comment so far has been from Tuba.

I don't think saying I am tired of commercials is bad. Who else got tired of those stupid Dr. Pepper ads with the dancing fat football player?

Oh, I see, you are trying to stir **** up.

http://captionsearch.com/pix/2rub7eoeem.jpg

Eh, I feel ya man, trolling is fun as hell. :D

[Sooner_Havok]

You like NPR so you're cool with me. :D

Sad thing is, I can barely get KGOU here in Norman, but KOSU comes in crystal clear... I hate myself sometimes :(

[Frozen Sooner]

as more of a religion basher, i somehow kinda end up defending the outliers :D

i do find the polygamy thing a bit odd. it sure seems that God decided it was a bad idea about when the US really applied pressure about it

it's not like there isn't polygamy in the Bible. i don't really remember when it became taboo. the flood? New Testament?

Read Under the Banner of Heaven sometime. It's an interesting historical account of the LDS church (though I'm sure it's not church-approved and the tone is fairly unfriendly to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.) From reading the book, it doesn't really seem like the practice of polygamy was all that widespread outside of the Prophet and some higher-ups, because Smith knew that it'd really freak out a lot of his new followers.

[GottaHavePride]

I never really noticed any affiliation to most of the billboards. I mean I have seen the "Jesus Saves" and "Jesus wasn't a Socialist" and "God is Love" but I never noticed that they where tied to any specific church. I always assumed they were put up by the snake handler churches.

Nah, more likely the Southern Baptists. I mean, they're the only ones I can think of that tried to organize a boycott of freakin' Disney World. (Yeah, that one worked well...)

[Leroy Lizard]

Vitriol? Really? I think most people have been pretty legit.

Are people in here complaining about the ads? If so, why?

[Sooner_Havok]

Are people in here complaining about the ads? If so, why?

Ummmmmm, cause repeated and repetitive ads get really annoying no matter who makes and airs them. See: Dancing Football player Dr. Pepper Commercial.


Dude, you need some help on your trolling. You're not very good at it. :(

[Leroy Lizard]

Dude, you need some help on your trolling. You're not very good at it. :(

Gee, everyone else in here claims I'm the Lord of Lords when it comes to trolling.

[stoopified]

I am a Christian and I have no problem with Mormons,Moslems,Bhuddists,LDS,Scientologists ,aethiests,or even Satanists UNLESS they insist on trying to convert me.I had Mormons knock on my door last year during an OU basketball game(Utah,ironically),they seemed to be miffed when I told I wasn't interested because I was watching the game.

[AZSOONER]

FYI, Mormons and LDS are the same thing.

[Leroy Lizard]

I am a Christian and I have no problem with Mormons,Moslems,Bhuddists,LDS,Scientologists ,aethiests,or even Satanists UNLESS they insist on trying to convert me.

You're a Christian and you have no problem with Satanists?

[Sooner_Havok]

Gee, everyone else in here claims I'm the Lord of Lords when it comes to trolling.

Most of these folks have never seen a real troll. I have no doubt you are trying, but honestly, you are just not very good. But hey, don't let that stop you! You go out and be all the troll you can be!

[picasso]

Which brings me back to the original point of the post: WTF LDS Church, you're a church, not a fast food company, you don't run commercials.

I'm with you on that but you have to remember the calling is to spread the word. Look at the missions the LDS kids are required to do.
In some ways I admire the JW types and such, the way they pound the pavement for said calling.

That's not my gig but it's supposed to be.

[OhU1]

Look at the missions the LDS kids are required to do.
In some ways I admire the JW types and such, the way they pound the pavement for said calling.

I was on the front porch having a few brews with a friend a few years ago and two female mormons came by. I had a friendly chat with the cute one (no doubt impressing her with some superficial knowlege I had about the LDS church ;) )

Picking up a female mormon missionary while drinking beer is probably well beyond my skill set but it was fun to try. Alas, a 3rd friend showed up and the morman pair had to move on.

[Leroy Lizard]

I was on the front porch having a few brews with a friend a few years ago and two female mormons came by. I had a friendly chat with the cute one (no doubt impressing her with some superficial knowlege I had about the LDS church ;) )

Picking up a female mormon missionary while drinking beer is probably well beyond my skill set but it was fun to try. Alas, a 3rd friend showed up and the morman pair had to move on.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/19/128715998234272305.jpg

[Jacie]

Well thanks for that enlightened, and in no way angry, bigoted, or hateful jab Tuba. If only the Hatetheists could learn from your kind, forgiving, Christian example. :rolleyes:

But yeah. I don't see Baptist or Catholic commercials. And come on, the Catholics need some good PR right now.

I mean, I have seen Scientology commercials, but never commercials for legitimate, non-cult, religions.

Ummm, if you have your own cable television channel, which Catholics have, every show is an advertisement . . .

[Leroy Lizard]

And while the Mormon's advertising dollars go to help your favorite radio stations survive, the Catholics instead create their own channel for their own programming targeted only at their own parishioners.

Mormons look pretty good now, don't they?

Note: Not bashing on Catholics. Just sayin'.

[Scott D]

There *is* a BYU channel. That is all.

[Sooner_Havok]

And while the Mormon's advertising dollars go to help your favorite radio stations survive, the Catholics instead create their own channel for their own programming targeted only at their own parishioners.

Mormons look pretty good now, don't they?

Note: Not bashing on Catholics. Just sayin'.

Na, your just saying that Catholics are greedy bastards. That's cool. Hatetheist