Chelsea Clinton's wedding cake reportedly costs...

[Okla-homey]

$11,000.

Does anyone else find that somewhat disturbing?

:pop:

[GottaHavePride]

Meh - if she want's to waste her parents' money on that go right ahead.

[HBick]

No I don't find it disturbing. I don't care. And why do you care?

As GottaHavePride said, if she wants to waste her parents money, I'm all for it. The wedding is going to cost like 2-3 Million, an 11K cake is pretty insignificant IMHO.

[badger]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/8359/8359.jpg
Dad: Well, what is that? ls that--
Is that dollars? $11,000?!

http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/519-3.jpg
Planners: Vel, Moster, dis ees a vary raisonable price...for a keck of dis magnootud.

http://blafusel.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hillary-and-chelsea-clinton.jpg
Mom: All right, what's the problem? Do you want to leave?
Daughter: It is incredible, Dad.

http://artoftheiphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Bill-Clinton.jpg

Dad: We'll take the cake.

[Okla-homey]

No I don't find it disturbing. I don't care. And why do you care?

As GottaHavePride said, if she wants to waste her parents money, I'm all for it. The wedding is going to cost like 2-3 Million, an 11K cake is pretty insignificant IMHO.

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

[GottaHavePride]

Heh. I mean, I agree it's ridiculous, but considering Bill Clinton makes nearly $200K for speaking appearances, well....

[My Opinion Matters]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

I'm a fan of the saying that "a wedding is a terrible way to begin a marriage".

[JohnnyMack]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

Maybe you'll get lucky and your daughter will get knocked up and you can have a quick shotgun wedding instead of having to pay for this big old wedding that is causing you such subconscious angst.

:pop:

[Ike]

Depends on what it looks like.

If it looks like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wGr8njEWjtI/TDJr9J7ljuI/AAAAAAAAKA0/sO46Hsktlcc/s400/anita+r.ow.wedding.jpg
then they got ripped off.

[HBick]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

I thought it was more of a deep seated grudge against anything liberal. But this works too. Bunch of my friends just graduated and I had the pleasure of attending a $1 million wedding in Dallas a few weeks ago. I had a great time, open bar, great food, lots of strange and did I mention an OPEN BAR? Who cares if these wedding are going to be dissolved, these people aren't thinking that at the time. And the Clinton's won't have the debt issue.

The student loan/credit card issue, if people are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in debt they shouldn't be having an extravagant wedding, but if one party has the debt, say the guy, and the bride's family is footing the bill why does it matter?

[Ike]

This though, this is a work of art
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/tauntaun-wedding-cake-20091027-103145.jpg

[Lott's Bandana]

Does the dress come with stains?

[olevetonahill]

The groom is easy tho
He said all he wants is a Large supply of these .

http://shopping.syncweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/brown-paper-sack.jpg

[Soonerwake]

I read a title that the menu is vegan too. Isn't that the no-cheese eatin' people?? That's just un-American..

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

There's another side to that coin, Homey. The brainwashing has come as reasoning for the exorbitant prices charged by anything and anyone associated with a wedding. It is absolutely mindboggling the costs associated with a wedding even for those trying to minimize costs. AKA, me.

Kinda like the price of a casket. If folks would just stop dying and getting married, maybe we could get some price controls on this crap.

[Okla-homey]

Kinda like the price of a casket. If folks would just stop dying and getting married, maybe we could get some price controls on this crap.

The funeral-industrial complex p1sses me off too. Please explain why you can't buy a casket for grandpaw at Wal-Mart? Or maybe Sam's.

[olevetonahill]

Build yer own Casket
http://wayneofthewoods.com/coffin2.jpg

Bake yer own weddin cake

http://wedding-specialist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/screenhunter_4.jpg

[royalfan5]

The funeral-industrial complex p1sses me off too. Please explain why you can't buy a casket for grandpaw at Wal-Mart? Or maybe Sam's.

Costco has them.

[olevetonahill]

The funeral-industrial complex p1sses me off too. Please explain why you can't buy a casket for grandpaw at Wal-Mart? Or maybe Sam's.

You can go here Homester ;)

http://www.americancasketstore.com/

[Soonerwake]

Costco has them.

If I remember correctly, the funeral home will hit you with additional "fees" if you buy a casket from anyone else but them. I remember that it ended up about the same cost to buy the casket from the funeral home.

[OUMallen]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

Is it silly? Sure it is. Pretentious, statusy, ridiculous.


But it's a luxury. Every dad wants to give his little girl a dream wedding. They have the money to do it, why begrudge them? Not to mention it helps every single small business owner that's a vendor.

Why do we care if they do? They're filliping millionaires.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

But it's a luxury. Every dad wants to give his little girl a dream wedding. They have the money to do it, why begrudge them? Not to mention it helps every single small business owner that's a vendor.

Wrong.

THIS daddy wants her to have MY dream wedding.

[soonerboy_odanorth]

What I find disturbing is that anyone (male or female) would slide up next to that nasty looking thing... and worse, that anyone really cares.

And what is the over/under on her being a lesbo (NTTAWWT) like her mom conducting her own power-hungry marriage of convenience?

[Lout]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

Here, here. I'm getting married in October--had to change the date from the 2nd to the 9th. The fiancee isn't even brainwashed, but it's nearly impossible to do a nice wedding cheaply. I remember a couple of friends who got married during my last year of grad school at KU in '07. I thought their very modest wedding for $5,000 was insanely overpriced. I'd kill for that price right now....and her parents are paying for most of it.

It's just another way that consumerism is ingrained into everyone in this country. The first wedding planner subtly suggested that there shouldn't be a price on love. We not so subtly suggested she find something else to do on October 9th.

[Soonerfan88]

It's well documented that places jack up prices if you mention the word wedding. Just helped plan a friend's wedding/reception and saved $1000's this way. For the cake, we ordered 3 different size round cakes with a decorative edging, stacked them, and added the topper. No one else knew the difference and saved almost a $100 dollars.

[Serge Ibaka]

Ugly people get married, and a rich people are stupid and consumed with status-symbols. It happens.

The Clintons, of course, are especially subject to this as a family of statesmen. I agree: it's crazy to spend so much on a wedding ceremony, but it's hardly surprising. And, in fact, it's an interesting social-phenomenon. Has anybody ever watched My Super Sweet Sixteen!!!!! on MTV? It's about rich bratty girls whining until their fathers throw them 6-figure birthday parties. It's nauseating.

The vegan menu isn't surprising, either, as veganism is a growing trend especially among rich people. I've heard that Chelsea is a vegetarian, and this suggests that she might actually be vegan (and not just cheese: nothing can be prepared with meat, dairy, or egg, and it's probably all much more expensive).

I plan for my wedding to be much more simple (and with a significant portion of the budget going toward booze).

[JohnnyMack]

What anyone spends on anything is completely relative. What Homey spends on a new TV versus what some single mom living in an apartment spends on a TV is gonna be different. Just as what millionaires spend on their daughters wedding differs from what the average suburbanite spends on his daughters wedding. It doesn't make one better or worse, just relative to their economic standing.

[47straight]

Yeah it's pretty dumb.

[C&CDean]

Whatever the price of the wedding, always remember the divorce will cost you more.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

$11,000.

Does anyone else find that somewhat disturbing?

:pop:

Yes, wedding cake is disgusting. I demanded strawberry pie at my wedding.

[C&CDean]

Yes, wedding cake is disgusting. I demanded strawberry pie at my wedding.

Locally picked by the groom and his family?

[KC//CRIMSON]

Costco has them.

Oklahoma is still in the 20th Century and has not experienced the glory that is Costco yet.

[starclassic tama]

is $11,000 really that much for a wedding cake? i know i wouldn't spend that much, but i'm thinking those big things can get pretty expensive quick

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Locally picked by the groom and his family?

I would not be ashamed!

http://www.yellowhorseassoc.com/mouth/images/pieStrawberry.jpg

[GottaHavePride]

I have an uncle that wants to be buried in an old-school pine box. None of this fancy "casket" business. You know what he found out? A plain old pine box winds up costing you MORE than a casket, because apparently there are all these goofy regulations you'll get fined for if you try to use one.


Second... if you guys are still calling Chelsea Clinton ugly you're thinking of how she looked when Bill was first elected (and she was in high school at the time. I mean, she's not the hottest girl I've ever seen, bu she's not that bad.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CvXEhdXFheY/SLTj_C4EsKI/AAAAAAAAC44/FN6WdrMHNIA/s400/chelsea+clinton+1.jpg

[olevetonahill]

Sorry bro but to me thats UGLY

[Scott D]

I'm pretty sure that not only do I not care how much her cake is, but I didn't care about her wedding in the first place.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Sorry bro but to me thats UGLY

Well, she's no Latina, but give her a break.

[C&CDean]

Whoa. Time out. WTF are those knobs on her knuckles? Sorry EJ, but the girl is so ****ing ugly (I was gonna say the old "mom had to put a bone around her neck so the dog would play with her") but seriously, she ugly, she ugly, her momma say she ugly. Is she hittable? Depends on how much Tullamore Dew a feller has consumed.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

You'd need more than Tullamore Dew, you'd need a Tullamore hurricane.

And that's my ticket to millions. The drink that'll get you trashed up enough to bang Chelsea will be known henceforth as a 'katrina'.

[bluedogok]

The funeral-industrial complex p1sses me off too. Please explain why you can't buy a casket for grandpaw at Wal-Mart? Or maybe Sam's.
You can in most states but not Oklahoma, thank the funeral home lobbyists for that law (consumer restriction) designed to inflate their bottom line.

Our entire wedding was less than that and it was in a church and everything. My wife would make a wedding cake for that price, she has tended to avoid doing them....I think she has watched too many Bridezilla and Platinum Weddings shows.

[SoonerKnight]

The funeral-industrial complex p1sses me off too. Please explain why you can't buy a casket for grandpaw at Wal-Mart? Or maybe Sam's.

you can

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mom-Remembered-Steel-Casket/12568626?sourceid=1500000000000003260370&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=12568626












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[SicEmBaylor]

$11,000.

Does anyone else find that somewhat disturbing?

:pop:

No. I honestly could care less what people spend their money on. It doesn't bother me one damned bit.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

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[olevetonahill]

Well, she's no Latina, but give her a break.

jaun , Id def. hit the Chelsea before yer latin daughter

http://homedir-b.libsyn.com/podcasts/7ffe629e9e5bd0f98ed1fa5d4bc03a7d/4c53cfbf/jesusandhomi/images/LatinaLoverFatMexicanWoman.jpg

[Okla-homey]

She may be as ugly as a mules butt, but she's not stupid.


The pair have signed a detailed pre-nup — and in case Marc turns out to be like dad Bill, Chelsea is said to have included a ‘cheat’s clause’ — which entitles her to £8 million if he is unfaithful.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1298850/Its-Chelsea-Clintons-wedding--just-Dad-away-bridesmaids.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0vH0QzSSM

[47straight]

She may be as ugly as a mules butt, but she's not stupid.

Like mamma like daughter.

[olevetonahill]

10 to 1 that hillarity made sure she had that in there :D

[StoopTroup]

I wonder if they were to warm up that wedding cake a bit....would Bill go all "American Pie" on that sumbuck? :D

[Breadburner]

Welll Everyone knows what the best form of birth control is...."Wedding Cake"...

[Scott D]

actually now that I unfortunately know more about this wedding the cost of the cake being the source of a thread is just silly.

$11k cake for a $3M wedding. Not even .01% of the overall cost of this wedding. I'm sure if the guest list is the size claimed (5-800 people) you may need 11k of cake to have enough cake for people plus the customary saved piece.

[Breadburner]

I wonder if they were to warm up that wedding cake a bit....would Bill go all "American Pie" on that sumbuck? :D

I bet he would need a little blue pill to be able to do any damage to that pie......:D

[47straight]

actually now that I unfortunately know more about this wedding the cost of the cake being the source of a thread is just silly.

$11k cake for a $3M wedding. Not even .01% of the overall cost of this wedding. I'm sure if the guest list is the size claimed (5-800 people) you may need 11k of cake to have enough cake for people plus the customary saved piece.

I disagree that spending $3M on high roller port-a-john's, etc. somehow makes the 11k for a cake reasonable. I don't know how much a port-a-john with A/C and marble tops costs, but the top-end fancy-schmancy bakers will quote you $4 per person for gourmet wedding cake. At 500 guests, that'd be a $2k cake. This is 5.5x that.

[olevetonahill]

I disagree that spending $3M on high roller port-a-john's, etc. somehow makes the 11k for a cake reasonable. I don't know how much a port-a-john with A/C and marble tops costs, but the top-end fancy-schmancy bakers will quote you $4 per person for gourmet wedding cake. At 500 guests, that'd be a $2k cake. This is 5.5x that.

Butt this is fer Butt ugly Chelsea. The price has to be dayum near 6 times normal to get any one to eat that **** ;)

[Okla-homey]

A pox on limousine liberals!1!111!!!!

Scru Chelsea, her Goldman-Sachs groom, and her son-of-a-Hot-Springs-ho pappy.

[olevetonahill]

Bro I dont want to scru any of em :eek:

[bluedogok]

I disagree that spending $3M on high roller port-a-john's, etc. somehow makes the 11k for a cake reasonable. I don't know how much a port-a-john with A/C and marble tops costs, but the top-end fancy-schmancy bakers will quote you $4 per person for gourmet wedding cake. At 500 guests, that'd be a $2k cake. This is 5.5x that.
That's for a "regular cake" and not a "monumental cake" which is pretty much all these kinds of weddings are about anymore. I am sure there is much more to it than the would be a $4/person cake.

From a 2006 article: MSNBC.com - Let them eat cake — at $20 a slice (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13468807/)

[SoonerInKCMO]

Sorry bro but to me thats UGLY

Wha?!? U b cra-z - ;)

http://www.dlisted.com/files/chelseaismarrrrieeed.jpg

[Frozen Sooner]

Glad we've got it cleared up that the problem isn't that a wealthy family is having a wedding and spending a lot of money on a cake, just that it's Democrats doing it.

[SicEmBaylor]

Glad we've got it cleared up that the problem isn't that a wealthy family is having a wedding and spending a lot of money on a cake, just that it's Democrats doing it.

Yep. The faux-indignation over how much was spent on her wedding are the same people who would otherwise be calling such indignation class-warfare.

I couldn't care less how much they spent on her wedding. It's her wedding, their business, and their money. I say good for them. It doesn't bother me in the least bit what other people spend their money on.

[Leroy Lizard]

Is this the same family that took up a collection to pay Bill's legal expenses back when he was President?

"Poor ole Bill (sniff). He needs hep, hep I tell ya'. He's so po', he cain't pay for his loyer (or his lover)."

[olevetonahill]

Wha?!? U b cra-z - ;)

http://www.dlisted.com/files/chelseaismarrrrieeed.jpg

Yup Bro that needs a double Dose of
http://shopping.syncweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/brown-paper-sack.jpg

[SicEmBaylor]

Is this the same family that took up a collection to pay Bill's legal expenses back when he was President?

"Poor ole Bill (sniff). He needs hep, hep I tell ya'. He's so po', he cain't pay for his loyer (or his lover)."

At that time he was. Their money has come as a result of his and her book deals and his speaking engagements. Let's be fair here, he was basically broke when he had those legal expenses.

[Leroy Lizard]

At that time he was. Their money has come as a result of his and her book deals and his speaking engagements. Let's be fair here, he was basically broke when he had those legal expenses.

I see being poor really taught him the value of a dollar. :rolleyes:

As a former governor whose wife was a highly-paid rainmaker, if he was broke then he is a terrible manager of money. And regardless, it is insane that anyone who had that much financial trouble where he has to beg to the public (which is disgraceful in my opinion) would be throwing money around like he is now.

[oudivesherpa]

Heh. I mean, I agree it's ridiculous, but considering Bill Clinton makes nearly $200K for speaking appearances, well....

I wonder if we could pay him for not speaking?

[Okla-homey]

Groom's dad is broke I would imagine. Given he went to the pen for ripping-off clients in a Bernie Madoff-style scheme.

[47straight]

Yep. The faux-indignation over how much was spent on her wedding are the same people who would otherwise be calling such indignation class-warfare.

I couldn't care less how much they spent on her wedding. It's her wedding, their business, and their money. I say good for them. It doesn't bother me in the least bit what other people spend their money on.

Sorry, my indignation is pretty real, and applies equally to bridezilla/sweet 16 shows.

And you're confusing some of us with you. I'm a populist, so I'm always game for some class warfare. I never claimed to be a libertarian, you did. You and Froze, apparently. Who knew?

[47straight]

I care because I have a deep-seated grudge against the wedding-industrial complex in this country that has brainwashed gals to believe it is perfectly acceptable, nay expected, to spend absurd amounts of money on wedding festivities. This, in a country in which half of said weddings will be dissolved a few years later. And one or both parties to said marriage have pre-existing crushing debt (student loans/credit cards, etc.)

Homeslice, I post this just for you. I only wish I could watch the steam come outta yer ears.

"Your Fairy Princess Wedding Guide."

http://www.perfect-wedding-day.com/

[Leroy Lizard]

Don't forget one thing that I think is driving this more than any other: The Clintons, like most limousine liberals, are world-class snots. This wedding was meant as a show of their wealth. Which is fine, except they begged for money earlier.

[JohnnyMack]

Don't forget one thing that I think is driving this more than any other: The Clintons, like most limousine liberals, are world-class snots. This wedding was meant as a show of their wealth. Which is fine, except they begged for money earlier.

Thus making them the first people on the history of planet earth to improve themselves financially.

[47straight]

FWIW, I've got a (quite conservative) friend who has dealt with the Clinton's in a service capacity say that they were actually "great folks." Hillary included! :eek:

[Leroy Lizard]

Thus making them the first people on the history of planet earth to improve themselves financially.

No, and they're not the first to rub the public's noses in it either. Which is what snots do.

BTW, how many that have spent $5 million on a wedding begged to the public for money?

[JohnnyMack]

No, and they're not the first to rub the public's noses in it either. Which is what snots do.

BTW, how many that have spent $5 million on a wedding begged to the public for money?

I'm quite certain Clinton isn't the first POTUS to ask for money to be given back for legal fees paid while in office.

Also your use of the pejorative, "limousine liberals" is simply a tip of the hat to your partisan ways, making your argument sound like sour grapes.

[Leroy Lizard]

I'm quite certain Clinton isn't the first POTUS to ask for money to be given back for legal fees paid while in office.

From the public? Who?


Also your use of the pejorative, "limousine liberals" is simply a tip of the hat to your partisan ways, making your argument sound like sour grapes.

But you're not partisan, right?

[ouwapiti]

reckon Slick Willy was in charge of hiring the strippers for the bachelor party ???

[Leroy Lizard]

reckon Slick Willy was in charge of hiring the strippers for the bachelor party ???

I think they're on retainer.

[JohnnyMack]

But you're not partisan, right?

Well I was a registered R when I started college and have been and independent for the last 15 years. I think politicians are as inherently worthless, regardless of their political affiliation.

[JohnnyMack]

From the public? Who?


Didn't Reagan get paid back for his Iran/Contra legal fees?

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Don't forget one thing that I think is driving this more than any other: The Clintons, like most limousine liberals, are world-class snots. This wedding was meant as a show of their wealth. Which is fine, except they begged for money earlier.

I can accept the fact that the Clintons are rich, can afford it, and have an only-child daughter. I don't know if Chelsea feels this way, but for some women the wedding is the most important event of their life.

I read today, she didn't invite the A-list celebrities to the ceremony, but closest friends and family, so it wasn't done just for show. If it were for show, Hollywood would have been invited.

I've been to many Mexican weddings. It's interesting that it's common for them to go all out even if they are dirt poor. They have a network of "madrinas and patrinos" who help pay for it. Once I was a patrino and paid for the wedding cake, as disgusting as wedding cake is. I didn't go for a $11,000 cake though. More like $250.

There is certainly a Catholic aspect to it, as they view marriage to be a sacrament of the Church. Religiously a view important day.

I'm with Sic 'em on this one. If it's your money, it's your money.

[Leroy Lizard]

Didn't Reagan get paid back for his Iran/Contra legal fees?

Reimbursement is one thing. Charity ("because he's soooo broke") is quite another.

Clinton's didn't just ask for a reimbursement. They begged from the public. (And did they ever, to the tune of $4 million. Which is about the cost of the wedding coincidentally.)

And if one gives a check to the President, does not one expect favors in return?

Reagan was reimbursed $500,000 by the government.


Well I was a registered R when I started college and have been and independent for the last 15 years.

Everyone loves to play the "Independent" card. You're a leftist without the courage of declaring your party affiliations.

[JohnnyMack]

Everyone loves to play the "Independent" card. You're a leftist without the courage of declaring your party affiliations.

No I'm an independent. Just like I'm an atheist. Or are you gonna tell me I'm not really that either?

[Crucifax Autumn]

I like playing the "I don't give a ****" card.

[Leroy Lizard]

I can accept the fact that the Clintons are rich, can afford it, and have an only-child daughter. I don't know if Chelsea feels this way, but for some women the wedding is the most important event of their life.

I read today, she didn't invite the A-list celebrities to the ceremony, but closest friends and family...

Weddings are expensive, but you don't spend $5 million unless you are really trying to pour it on.


No I'm an independent. Just like I'm an atheist. Or are you gonna tell me I'm not really that either?

I believe you're an atheist. But I also believe that you don't have a Republican bone in your body.

I imagine Diane Feinstein is probably running around telling everyone she voted for Reagan... but the party left her. :rolleyes:

[olevetonahill]

I can accept the fact that the Clintons are rich, can afford it, and have an only-child daughter. I don't know if Chelsea feels this way, but for some women the wedding is the most important event of their life.

So much so that they do this 4 and 5 times :eek:

[JohnnyMack]

I believe you're an atheist. But I also believe that you don't have a Republican bone in your body.

I imagine Diane Feinstein is probably running around telling everyone she voted for Reagan... but the party left her. :rolleyes:

And you're a middle aged, sexually repressed closet drinker who could desperately use a bag of weed and a weekend in Vegas.

[olevetonahill]

And you're a middle aged, sexually repressed closet drinker who could desperately use a bag of weed and a weekend in Vegas.

Hey Bro where I sign up fer that last part, Ya know the weed and weekend deal?

[Leroy Lizard]

And you're a middle aged, sexually repressed closet drinker who could desperately use a bag of weed and a weekend in Vegas.

But at least I'm not a liberal like you. ;)

[JohnnyMack]

Hey Bro where I sign up fer that last part, Ya know the weed and weekend deal?

We should do a tailgate kickoff party in Vegas.

R u allowed to cross state lines yet? :D

[olevetonahill]

We should do a tailgate kickoff party in Vegas.

R u allowed to cross state lines yet? :D

hehe I fooled em
I had em put that thing on my artificial leg:D

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Why would anybody be surprised at such a bourgeous affair from people that want to "take things from you for the common good."

It's a testament to elitist values.

Overall I don't really care. I'm just pissed that I'm trying to watch the news on Saturday and this is somehow considered relevant enough to lead off. WTF?

[Serge Ibaka]

Why would anybody be surprised at such a bourgeous affair from people that want to "take things from you for the common good."

It's a testament to elitist values.



I think you misunderstand the word "bourgeois." And, at any rate, just because the Clintons are leftist, it doesn't mean that they are some sort of super-communist, anti-capitalists. They have money, and they went to great lengths to secure that money within the traditional/cultural structures of American money-hording. And like everybody else who has that much money: they're going to throw a posh wedding.

It's part of their being public figures, too.

[SicEmBaylor]

I still can't figure out why someone should give a **** what someone else does with their money.

My grandmother is a classic Roosevelt Democrat. The woman oozes liberalism. And she is constantly going around bitching about what the wealthy do with their money -- why the **** is it her business? Why does she really care? The poor woman is eaten alive with class envy and she can't ever seem to let it go.

I've never in my life been mad, indignant, resentful, or jealous of someone because of what they had or what they chose to spend their money on.

I say, good for the Clintons. I'm thrilled they live in a country where they've been able to accumulate wealth based on their individual efforts.

Having conservatives bitch about how someone spends their private money is blatant hypocrisy and it disgusts me.

[Okla-homey]

I still can't figure out why someone should give a **** what someone else does with their money.

My grandmother is a classic Roosevelt Democrat. The woman oozes liberalism. And she is constantly going around bitching about what the wealthy do with their money -- why the **** is it her business? Why does she really care? The poor woman is eaten alive with class envy and she can't ever seem to let it go.

I've never in my life been mad, indignant, resentful, or jealous of someone because of what they had or what they chose to spend their money on.

I say, good for the Clintons. I'm thrilled they live in a country where they've been able to accumulate wealth based on their individual efforts.

Having conservatives bitch about how someone spends their private money is blatant hypocrisy and it disgusts me.

Lighten up Francis. It's about the inherent hypocrisy of fostering and encourgaing class envy, claiming to "fite fer the workin' man" and "feeling his pain" ....while living and spending like a Rockefeller. It's one thing to be rich and spend money on whatever you want. I'm down with that. Just don't have the stones to beat on me because I "don't pay enough in taxes."

Me? Mother Theresa and Ghandi remain the only two liberals I absolutely respect.

[Serge Ibaka]

Lighten up Francis. It's about the inherent hypocrisy of fostering and encourgaing class envy, claiming to "fite fer the workin' man" and "feeling his pain" ....while living and spending like a Rockefeller. It's one thing to be rich and spend money on whatever you want. I'm down with that. Just don't have the stones to beat on me because I "don't pay enough in taxes."

Me? Mother Theresa and Ghandi remain the only two liberals I absolutely respect.

Respect granted: but I think that you're making false connections.

The Clintons' ideas about taxation (or at least what we're assuming their ideas are: we'll just throw them along traditional leftist notions about taxing the rich at rates higher than the status quo while adopting greater social institutions [the Western Europe model]) is not mutually exclusive with having money and living luxuriously.

If they believe you should pay more taxes, then they indeed believe that they, themselves, should pay more taxes too. But they are taxed what they are taxed, and they spend the money that they have. This isn't hypocrisy; it's just having money while also believing the collective-democracy should take care of poor people.

[soonerboomer93]

reckon Slick Willy was in charge of hiring the strippers for the bachelor party ???

That's where most of the $3 mil was spent

[OklahomaTuba]

If they believe you should pay more taxes, then they indeed believe that they, themselves, should pay more taxes too. But they are taxed what they are taxed, and they spend the money that they have.

Nothing stopping the rich limousine liberals from going ahead and giving the government MORE of their money if they wanted too.

In fact, the IRS even has a nice little form for it.

But then again, limousine liberals don't pay taxes, they just "park their yachts elsewhere" like Kerry, or just don't even report it like Rangle and Geitner.

[JohnnyMack]

But then again, limousine liberals don't pay taxes, they just "park their yachts elsewhere" like Kerry, or just don't even report it like Rangle and Geitner.

Are you gonna try and tell us that all the good little Republicans always pay all the taxes they should?

[Serge Ibaka]

Nothing stopping the rich limousine liberals from going ahead and giving the government MORE of their money if they wanted too.

In fact, the IRS even has a nice little form for it.

But then again, limousine liberals don't pay taxes, they just "park their yachts elsewhere" like Kerry, or just don't even report it like Rangle and Geitner.

Blah Blah Blah. You still aren't getting it.

Kerry notwithstanding (because that is bu**sh*t), taxes aren't about charity: they're about social contracts.

The bit I bolded above: that is charity. I'm not paying more in taxes than the guy next to me (assuming he's in a similar financial situation, of course). Why would I?

I will agree to pay more taxes if everybody will pay more taxes however. And the collective should assure that our money is being spent wisely in order to create a more-perfect society. And having already paid my social-dues: if I have some extra cash left over, I'm spending it all on cool stuff (lake house and boat, god-willing).

[OklahomaTuba]

Why would I?
Because you're a hypocrite.

If you believe it is an absolute MUST that we pay more for our government, why don't you lead by example?? Why's that so hard to do??

It's like the Global Warming scaremongers who tell how the earf will be destroyed if we don't stop using so much energy, while flying around in their private jets to their 20,000+ sq ft mansions on a coast somewhere.

[Serge Ibaka]

Because you're a hypocrite.

If you believe it is an absolute MUST that we pay more for our government, why don't you lead by example?? Why's that so hard to do??

It's like the Global Warming scaremongers who tell how the earf will be destroyed if we don't stop using so much energy, while flying around in their private jets to their 20,000+ sq ft mansions on a coast somewhere.

Nope, you're still not getting it, and your example does not fit at all.

Global Warming "scaremongers" who use more energy than necessary are actively contributing to global-warming (at least within their own constructs; I assume we're talking about Gore, and I'm with you).

Taxes, within our representative democracy, are a social contract. I believe--and vote--upon the notion that the collective-society would benefit from more social-programs that would be funded by increased taxation (and increased taxation for the people who can most afford to pay more taxes). And if the collective adopted a policy that called for higher taxation, I would happily pay them along with my neighbors.

But we have adopted the policies that we have adopted, and I will pay the taxes that our society demands of me. And I will spend the rest of my money as I please. This does not make me a hypocrite.

[OklahomaTuba]

Taxes, within our representative democracy, are a social contract.
No taxes are a form of revenue generation to fund all your miserably failed social contracts such as social security, Medicare and Medicaid.

[OklahomaTuba]

But we have adopted the policies that we have adopted, and I will pay the taxes that our society demands of me. And I will spend the rest of my money as I please. This does not make me a hypocrite.So if you believe in all these social contracts (again social security, Medicare, Medicaid, obamacare), and know that they are bankrupt or will soon be, then is it not immoral of you to spend that money elsewhere instead of to save said social contracts?

[Serge Ibaka]

No taxes are a form of revenue generation to fund all your miserably failed social contracts such as social security, Medicare and Medicaid.

You make no sense: what have I ever said about social security, medicare, or medicaid on these forums?

Since you're shifting the argument to an erroneous subject-matter, I'm assuming that you now (finally!) see my previous point.

Serge Ibaka ftw!

[OklahomaTuba]

You make no sense: what have I ever said about social security, medicare, or medicaid on these forums?
you mentioned social contracts as being important. These programs represent the actual social contracts you claim to cherish so much.

So given that, why would you stand around and watch them essentially go bankrupt, ruining the lives of millions, while you spend you hard earned earnings on your own things and give the least amount demanded of you?

Why only stop at the bare minimum that the IRS demands, and give more?? Nothing is stopping you from doing it.

The only answer for why you don't is greed and hypocrisy. That is why you don't give more than the bare minimum, yet ask everyone else to.

And frankly, given how much of a bankrupt failure these social contracts have been, I wouldn't want to mention them either.

[SicEmBaylor]

I have to step in here...

Tuba, policies and programs are not social contracts -- they're social policy.

[Serge Ibaka]

you mentioned social contracts as being important. These programs represent the actual social contracts you claim to cherish so much.

So given that, why would you stand around and watch them essentially go bankrupt, ruining the lives of millions, while you spend you hard earned earnings on your own things and give the least amount demanded of you?

Why only stop at the bare minimum that the IRS demands, and give more?? Nothing is stopping you from doing it.

The only answer for why you don't is greed and hypocrisy. That is why you don't give more than the bare minimum, yet ask everyone else to.


Oh, my, OklahomaTuba. This is absolutely a red-herring; I'm so embarrassed for you!

While those institutions you mentioned do represent those social contracts (and their effectiveness is an arbitrary debate here; as a collective, we can always argue for the most efficient spending of our money), they are as equal a part of my taxes-as-social-contracts model as firehouses, police squad cars, public schooling, prisons, county health departments, persons employed by the U.S. military, etc.

I will pay the taxes that our society demands in order to pay for the institutions we create. And if an institution is not working functionally, then we must fix the institution and its tax-policy. And if we create more institutions--with the improvement of our society in mind--and tax ourselves at a higher rate, I will happily pay the taxes that are demanded of me by my society.

This does not mean that I should take it upon myself to fix the institution by giving more money to the collective than my neighbor; in fact, this is contrary to the entire notion of the collective.

We are in this together, comrade!

Otherwise, I'm spending my money on whatever I please. The Clintons would agree.

[Frozen Sooner]

I have to step in here...

Tuba, policies and programs are not social contracts -- they're social policy.

I was waiting for someone to point that out. Good job, SicEm.

[Scott D]

Well most of us figured when Tuba starts talking politics here, it's like John Blutarski talking about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor and how people don't call it over.

[Okla-homey]

I would also point out that the former First Daughter married a fabulously wealthy for his age hedge fund manager and former employee of Goldman Sachs.

You know, the same kind of guy the Left loves to rail against.

[Leroy Lizard]

The fact that he is the son of a wealthy person should have made it worse. Remember the Bush' silver spoons? (Naturally, the same isn't said about the Left's darlings, the Kennedys.)

[SicEmBaylor]

I would also point out that the former First Daughter married a fabulously wealthy for his age hedge fund manager and former employee of Goldman Sachs.

You know, the same kind of guy the Left loves to rail against.

Good lord, are you seriously expecting the poor girl to politically vet every potential suitor to ensure he and his family perfectly toe the party line?

People.....this is a girl who got married. It has NOTHING to do with politics aside from the fact that her parents are politicians. This is not a political event. Christo-f'in-mighty.

[SicEmBaylor]

Lighten up Francis. It's about the inherent hypocrisy of fostering and encourgaing class envy, claiming to "fite fer the workin' man" and "feeling his pain" ....while living and spending like a Rockefeller. It's one thing to be rich and spend money on whatever you want. I'm down with that. Just don't have the stones to beat on me because I "don't pay enough in taxes."

Me? Mother Theresa and Ghandi remain the only two liberals I absolutely respect.

Actually, the fact that he's rich gives him more legitimacy in advocating tax increases. There's also the fact that he wasn't rich for most of his life that gives him additional legitimacy when speaking to certain issues.

I still fail to see the connection between being rich and spending a lot and how it's hypocritical to advocate higher taxes. It'd only be hypocritical if he himself was dodging the tax increases he was advocating.

[Leroy Lizard]

Good lord, are you seriously expecting the poor girl to politically vet every potential suitor to ensure he and his family perfectly toe the party line?

People.....this is a girl who got married. It has NOTHING to do with politics aside from the fact that her parents are politicians. This is not a political event. Christo-f'in-mighty.

Arranged marriage.

[Leroy Lizard]

Actually, the fact that he's rich gives him more legitimacy in advocating tax increases. There's also the fact that he wasn't rich for most of his life that gives him additional legitimacy when speaking to certain issues.

I still fail to see the connection between being rich and spending a lot and how it's hypocritical to advocate higher taxes. It'd only be hypocritical if he himself was dodging the tax increases he was advocating.

Actually, he dogged the rich for not "paying their fair share," while at the same casting himself as a sharecropper.

In other words, typical politician.

[Crucifax Autumn]

This thread needs an enema.

[TopDawg]

$11,000.

Does anyone else find that somewhat disturbing?

:pop:

I do.

I don't remember how much ours cost, but I know it was much less and I found it somewhat disturbing too.

Of course, if I had the total for the amount of money that will be spent to watch OU play Utah State this year (travel, food, tickets, etc.) I would probably be equally disgusted.

[GottaHavePride]

Of course, if I had the total for the amount of money that will be spent to watch OU play Utah State this year (travel, food, tickets, etc.) I would probably be equally disgusted.


Man, you're looking at 4.25 million just for tickets alone. (That's assuming 85,000 tix at $50 a head average). Assume everyone buys a bottle of water $3 and a hot dog (what are they now, another $3?) That's another $510,000. Wait, everyone's wearing Sooner apparel to the game? Assume another $20 per person for a t-shirt, hat, etc. Another 1.7 million. Say 1/4 of the people need a hotel room (staying 2 per room) at, oh, $40 a room. $425,000. Say the crowd averages two beers per person before, during, or after the game. that's a six-pack for every three, so about $225,000.

Heh. So far that's 7.1 million dollars and I haven't even got to travel or pay-per-view fees. ;) This is kind of fun.

[TopDawg]

Once we get Utah State figured out, let's tackle OU/Texas. :eek:

[Bourbon St Sooner]

$40 a room? Is that on Shields Blvd?