This is gonna be a good one

[btk108]

starting tomorrow in AZ :pop:

http://www.newsok.com/arizona-sheriff-ill-jail-immigration-protesters/article/3480289?custom_click=headlines_widget

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=512954&GT1=28102

[Serge Ibaka]

Elton John made a good point.

[ndpruitt03]

Since immigrants can't have papers according to this law. Is it profiling for all americans to have any sort of ID? Should drivers license in effect be banned if this judge is right?

[Frozen Sooner]

Since immigrants can't have papers according to this law. Is it profiling for all americans to have any sort of ID? Should drivers license in effect be banned if this judge is right?

Not surprisingly, you seem woefully uninformed as to the issues in the case and what the judge's reasoning behind the temporary injunction was.

[KABOOKIE]

Condescension always clears things up!

[Frozen Sooner]

Condescension always clears things up!

As does sarcasm!

[KABOOKIE]

Yes. But sarcasm will get you laid.

[Frozen Sooner]

You coming on to me, sweetness?

[JohnnyMack]

Check please!

[stoops the eternal pimp]

You ever been to Beaver's Bend?

[ndpruitt03]

Not surprisingly, you seem woefully uninformed as to the issues in the case and what the judge's reasoning behind the temporary injunction was.

How about this? Is it illegal for states to do the feds job against drug enforcement?

[Frozen Sooner]

How about this? Is it illegal for states to do the feds job against drug enforcement?

Non sequitur.

Federal intrastate drug enforcement is a concurrent power of the federal government as a necessary and proper exercise of the interstate commerce power. States also have the power to regulate intrastate sale of drugs through their police powers.

Immigration policy is a specifically-delegated exclusive power of the federal government.

[ndpruitt03]

And the fed isn't enforcing it's own law. So maybe it should be treated like drug laws are where both are helping out with it.

[Frozen Sooner]

And the fed isn't enforcing it's own law. So maybe it should be treated like drug laws are where both are helping out with it.

Just as soon as you amend the constitution to make immigration law not the exclusive domain of the federal government, you let me know.

[ndpruitt03]

All the constitution has is things the government can't do. It doesn't have anything against drugs either.

[GKeeper316]

so we lock up non violent protesters now?

[Frozen Sooner]

All the constitution has is things the government can't do. It doesn't have anything against drugs either.

1. Incorrect. You should try reading it sometime. Art. I § 8 lists some things the federal government can do. For example, regulate immigration.

2. It does enumerate a power to regulate interstate commerce, from whence the power to regulate drugs comes.


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope, no affirmative grants of power to the federal government there at all. Just stuff they can't do.

[Harry Beanbag]

The Feds War on Drugs is a major contributor and cause of the immigration problem.

[Frozen Sooner]

The Feds War on Drugs is a major contributor and cause of the immigration problem.

I'd probably agree with that, at least partially.

[ddub0224]

[QUOTE=Frozen Sooner;2916647]1. Incorrect. You should try reading it sometime. Art. I § 8 lists some things the federal government can do. For example, regulate immigration.

2. It does enumerate a power to regulate interstate commerce, from whence the power to regulate drugs comes.



Very subjective interpretation by the Courts on both of those.

There is nothing illegal about asking for identification - which they are supposed to be carrying already. Bottom line, this administration isn't doing anything because they'll lose too many voters. I applaud a state for taking initiative.

[Frozen Sooner]

There's a subjective reading by the courts that the Constitution grants the power to regulate immigration and interstate commerce? Or that Art. I § 8 enumerates certain powers of Congress?