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Leroy Lizard
6/24/2010, 10:18 PM
This oughta get it started:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100624/ap_on_re_us/us_condoms_grade_school





BOSTON – Gov. Deval Patrick used his bully pulpit Thursday to call the superintendent of a Cape Cod school district and urge her to revise a new policy allowing even elementary school students to receive free condoms without the knowledge of their parents. School officials later said the policy would be revisited.

The new policy makes condoms available to all Provincetown public school students and takes effect in the fall. Under the policy, any student requesting a condom from a school nurse must first receive counseling, which includes information on abstinence.

Patrick, a Democrat seeking re-election this year against a field including two conservative opponents, told The Associated Press on Thursday he objected not only to the age of the students covered by the policy, but also to a provision prohibiting their parents from being told about any request for prophylactics — and from having their objections overrule a distribution.

He said Superintendent Beth Singer, who authored the policy approved by the Cape Cod community's school board on June 10, is "going to try to walk this back a bit."

"Obviously, this is a local issue, but I expressed my concern about the counseling and access being age-appropriate, and, for young kids, that parents ought to be involved," Patrick said in a call to The Associated Press.

Singer did not return calls and e-mail for comment. However, she acknowledged to ABCNews the controversy has her rethinking the wisdom of the policy.

"I think it's a result of our seeing things from your eyes," she said.

School Committee Chairman Peter Grosso told The Boston Globe the committee would "revisit" the policy in light of the reaction; however, he maintained it was a "great" policy and was surprised by the controversy. A telephone number listed for Grosso was disconnected and he did not return a message left at his school committee office.

Asked to outline his views on condoms for children, the governor said: "I don't want first-graders having access to condoms, but I don't want first-graders to be sexually active. And, frankly, I don't think the superintendent does, either. And I think parents should be involved, and I say that as a parent."

The policy has become fodder for Boston talk radio and was the subject of a front-page story in Thursday's edition of The Boston Globe.

In it, Singer said, "The intent is to protect kids." She added: "We know that sexual experimentation is not limited to an age, so how does one put an age on it?"

Patrick said Singer explained that despite the wording in the new policy, it would be applied more practically. She told the Globe that if an elementary school student requests a condom, the nurse would ask the student a series of questions and almost certainly deny them.

School Committee Chairman Peter Grosso also recounted disagreeing with a fellow board member who wanted the policy limited to the high school.

"I was the one who said, 'Well, you never know,'" said Grosso, whose two children graduated from Provincetown High School. "It's very possible that a fifth- or sixth-grader would be getting involved in sexual activity."

Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, called the policy absurd.

Town Manager Sharon Lynn said she would prefer a system requiring parental consent until children reach a certain age.

"I think the parents should be responsible for (their children), and know what their children are doing," Lynn told the Globe. She did not immediately return a call from the AP seeking comment.

Patrick is seeking a second term this fall against a field that includes Republican Charles Baker and independent Timothy Cahill, who is similarly appealing to fiscally conservative voters.

tulsaoilerfan
6/24/2010, 10:41 PM
Hell kids are gonna **** at some point anyway might as well give them some birth control(not that they would use it ); we have had so many pregnancies in our school over the last 2 years i can't keep up with it

Soonrboy
6/24/2010, 10:44 PM
I've had sexually active 5th graders in school before...and a couple of pregnant sixth graders. Not saying that the boys they were with would have gone to the school nurse. Someone's gotta open the eyes if the lousy parents are just going to shut theirs.

yermom
6/24/2010, 10:55 PM
i say bravo for asking...

beats little Johnny knocking up Mary Jane Rottencrotch or getting the HIV from her

Turd_Ferguson
6/24/2010, 11:19 PM
Rubbers for first graders. 6 year old's. Craptastic.

SoonerStormchaser
6/24/2010, 11:21 PM
Meh...it's Massachusetts...what'd ya expect?

Leroy Lizard
6/24/2010, 11:31 PM
The lack of parental notification has a lot of people up in arms more than anything else.

yermom
6/25/2010, 12:06 AM
well, if they know they are going to tell their parents they will just not ask for them

Leroy Lizard
6/25/2010, 02:04 AM
Doesn't a parent have a right to know?

yermom
6/25/2010, 03:03 AM
i'd rather Johnny have a condom and know to use it than worry about some right to know his parents might have

Johnny getting grounded for getting a condom at school isn't going to keep him from fooling around

when i was that age, kids got them out of the bathroom at the gas station by the school... not that they knew what to do with them, really

Leroy Lizard
6/25/2010, 03:55 AM
i'd rather Johnny have a condom and know to use it than worry about some right to know his parents might have

But you didn't answer the question: Does a parent have a right to know?

Crucifax Autumn
6/25/2010, 04:35 AM
If they'd have had this when I was in third grade I wouldn't be living with herpes and hepatitis the last 25 years.

NormanPride
6/25/2010, 09:39 AM
Do what you can to protect the children. It's scary and sad that it has to be done, but it has to be done.

Leroy Lizard
6/25/2010, 10:34 AM
If they'd have had this when I was in third grade I wouldn't be living with herpes and hepatitis the last 25 years.

tmi

Leroy Lizard
6/25/2010, 10:37 AM
Do what you can to protect the children. It's scary and sad that it has to be done, but it has to be done.

It doesn't HAVE to be done. The question is whether it is a good idea.

And does a parent have the right to know?

Stitch Face
6/25/2010, 10:45 AM
Man, loosen up. Anything goes nowadays anyhow.

Let the kids have some fun. Just don't do it in the back of a moving go kart.

yermom
6/25/2010, 10:48 AM
But you didn't answer the question: Does a parent have a right to know?

i don't remember that in the constitution ;)

it's not like it's a medical procedure

in some states girls can get abortions without telling their parents

Okla-homey
6/25/2010, 11:01 AM
Typical government schools ca-ca. Public education in the US is broken. This is not news.

Thankfully, you still have the freedom to bail on 'em and enroll your children in privately-funded schools in which such foolishness does not occur.

Although the teachers unions do their best to insure crappy government schools are only for kids whose parents are too poor to pay private school tuition by fighting school choice vouchers for indigent parents tooth and nail.

And to think, some people still wonder how we became such a divided and class-based society.

yermom
6/25/2010, 11:19 AM
that probably has more to do with private school kids having more face time with their parents and not having the same problems with pregnancy, etc... than public school kids, but that's just a guess

Leroy Lizard
6/25/2010, 11:34 AM
Man, loosen up. Anything goes nowadays anyhow.

Yeah, that's sorta' the problem. I do note the "anything goes," angle. Tends to lend credence to the notion that society's values have plummeted.


i don't remember that in the constitution

I'm not referring to a Constitutional right, but rather in the general sense. You're right, it's not a medical procedure. But who's raising the kids now?

My feeling is that handing out condoms is not what I hired the local school staff to perform. I'm the parent. If I want my kids to have condoms, I will provide them. But I don't need another adult deciding this issue for me and I certainly don't want them doing it behind my back.


in some states girls can get abortions without telling their parents

I know, and I find it totally reprehensible.

yermom
6/25/2010, 11:42 AM
I know, and I find it totally reprehensible.

i get the intent, but yeah, i'm not a fan. IMO that sounds like you are ignoring the problem by not talking to parents as opposed to preventing one with the case above