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Collier11
6/7/2010, 11:15 PM
Strange Discovery on Titan Leads to Speculation of Alien Life


However, scientists also caution that aliens might have nothing to do with these findings.


All this excitement is rooted in analyses of chemical data returned by NASA's Cassini spacecraft. One study suggested that hydrogen was flowing down through Titan's atmosphere and disappearing at the surface. Astrobiologist Chris McKay at NASA Ames Research Center speculated this could be a tantalizing hint that hydrogen is getting consumed by life.


"It's the obvious gas for life to consume on Titan, similar to the way we consume oxygen on Earth," McKay said.


Another study investigating hydrocarbons on Titan's surface found a lack of acetylene, a compound that could be consumed as food by life that relies on liquid methane instead of liquid water to live.


"If these signs do turn out to be a sign of life, it would be doubly exciting because it would represent a second form of life independent from water-based life on Earth," McKay said.


However, NASA scientists caution that aliens might not be involved at all.


"Scientific conservatism suggests that a biological explanation should be the last choice after all non-biological explanations are addressed," said Mark Allen, principal investigator with the NASA Astrobiology Institute Titan team. "We have a lot of work to do to rule out possible non-biological explanations. It is more likely that a chemical process, without biology, can explain these results."


"Both results are still preliminary," McKay told SPACE.com.


To date, methane-based life forms are only speculative, with McKay proposing a set of conditions necessary for these kinds of organisms on Titan in 2005. Scientists have not yet detected this form of life anywhere, although there are liquid-water-based microbes on Earth that thrive on methane or produce it as a waste product.


On Titan, where temperatures are around minus 290 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 179 degrees Celsius), any organisms would have to use a substance that is liquid as its medium for living processes. Water itself cannot do, because it is frozen solid on Titan's surface. The list of liquid candidates is very short -- liquid methane and related molecules such as ethane. Previous studies have found Titan to have lakes of liquid methane.


Missing hydrogen?


The dearth of hydrogen Cassini detected is consistent with conditions that could produce methane-based life, but do not conclusively prove its existence, cautioned researcher Darrell Strobel, a Cassini interdisciplinary scientist based at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Md., who authored the paper on hydrogen appearing online in the journal Icarus.


Strobel looked at densities of hydrogen in different parts of the atmosphere and the surface. Previous models from scientists had predicted that hydrogen molecules, a byproduct of ultraviolet sunlight breaking apart acetylene and methane molecules in the upper atmosphere, should be distributed fairly evenly throughout the atmospheric layers.


Strobel's computer simulations suggest a hydrogen flow down to the surface at a rate of about 10,000 trillion trillion molecules per second.


"It's as if you have a hose and you're squirting hydrogen onto the ground, but it's disappearing," Strobel said. "I didn't expect this result, because molecular hydrogen is extremely chemically inert in the atmosphere, very light and buoyant. It should 'float' to the top of the atmosphere and escape."


Strobel said it is not likely that hydrogen is being stored in a cave or underground space on Titan. An unknown mineral could be acting as a catalyst on Titan's surface to help convert hydrogen molecules and acetylene back to methane.


Although Allen commended Strobel, he noted "a more sophisticated model might be needed to look into what the flow of hydrogen is."

Consumed acetylene?

Scientists had expected the sun's interactions with chemicals in the atmosphere to produce acetylene that falls down to coat the Titan surface. But Cassini mapped hydrocarbons on Titan's surface, it detected no acetylene on the surface, findings appearing online in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Instead of alien life on Titan, Allen said one possibility is that sunlight or cosmic rays are transforming the acetylene in icy aerosols in the atmosphere into more complex molecules that would fall to the ground with no acetylene signature.

In addition, Cassini detected an absence of water ice on the Titan surface, but loads of benzene and another as-yet-unidentified material, which appears to be an organic compound. The researchers that a film of organic compounds are covering the water ice that makes up Titan's bedrock. This layer of hydrocarbons is at least a few millimeters to centimeters thick, but possibly much deeper in some places.

"Titan's atmospheric chemistry is cranking out organic compounds that rain down on the surface so fast that even as streams of liquid methane and ethane at the surface wash the organics off, the ice gets quickly covered again," said Cassini team scientist Roger Clark based at the U.S. Geological Survey in Denver. "All that implies Titan is a dynamic place where organic chemistry is happening now."

Speculation 'Jumping the Gun'

All this speculation "is jumping the gun, in my opinion," Allen said.

"Typically in the search for the existence of life, one looks for the presence of evidence -- say, the methane seen in the atmosphere of Mars, which can't be made by normal photochemical processes," Allen added. "Here we're talking about absence of evidence rather than presence of evidence -- missing hydrogen and acetylene -- and often times there are many non-life processes that can explain why things are missing."

These findings are "still a long way from evidence of life," McKay said. "But it could be interesting."

GKeeper316
6/7/2010, 11:31 PM
very interesting.

the most likely place to find life in our solar system is Jupiter's moon, Europa.

if i could do anything i wanted, id go to Europa, drill 9 miles through the ice layer, drop a camera down there and see if something comes up and licks the camera lens.

Leroy Lizard
6/7/2010, 11:33 PM
I talked to God and He said you would be wasting your time.

GKeeper316
6/7/2010, 11:42 PM
flying spaghetti monster says otherwise...

John Kochtoston
6/7/2010, 11:46 PM
ALL THESE MOONS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE.

Collier11
6/7/2010, 11:46 PM
I talked to God and He said you would be wasting your time.

Nice attempt Leroy but in fact scripture says nothing in regard to alien life not being real

GKeeper316
6/7/2010, 11:56 PM
Nice attempt Leroy but in fact scripture says nothing in regard to alien life not being real

i met a guy in college (he actually snagged a hot girl away from me when she turned all uber jesus) who tried to convince me that any story you hear about aliens is actually demons, since aliens arent mentioned in the bible.

cracks me up how intentionally ignorant some people are.

Leroy Lizard
6/7/2010, 11:59 PM
Nice attempt Leroy but in fact scripture says nothing in regard to alien life not being real

Which is why I had to ask Him.

Collier11
6/8/2010, 12:11 AM
Was he listening?

Collier11
6/8/2010, 12:12 AM
i met a guy in college (he actually snagged a hot girl away from me when she turned all uber jesus) who tried to convince me that any story you hear about aliens is actually demons, since aliens arent mentioned in the bible.

cracks me up how intentionally ignorant some people are.

Hell, maybe to the them we are Aliens. Heh, who the hell knows whats going on out there

olevetonahill
6/8/2010, 12:20 AM
Which is why I had to ask Him.


Was he listening?

Limptard cant type at this time C11 Hes busy Arguing with God.

Leroy Lizard
6/8/2010, 01:17 AM
Hell, maybe to the them we are Aliens. Heh, who the hell knows whats going on out there

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41D1YKSZWTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

GKeeper316
6/8/2010, 03:35 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41D1YKSZWTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


ever read Chariots of the Gods?

Jacie
6/8/2010, 06:28 AM
Heh, who the hell knows whats going on out there

Just ask LL, he apparently has all the answers.

And while you are at it, tell that Galileo guy that it did not move!

StoopTroup
6/8/2010, 07:31 AM
God's Right Hand is a scaled Reptile that asks God questions like "State the Relevance?" :D

Leroy Lizard
6/8/2010, 10:02 AM
ever read Chariots of the Gods?

That total fraud of a book that no one takes seriously anymore? That one?

Leroy Lizard
6/8/2010, 10:03 AM
Just ask LL, he apparently has all the answers.

And while you are at it, tell that Galileo guy that it did not move!

God didn't have a whole lot of good to say about you in our conversations. Something like "Let me tell you something else about Jacie that just totally pisses me off..."






:D

BudSooner
6/8/2010, 08:32 PM
ALL THESE MOONS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE.

Good books, but a ****ing pervert of a human being.

John Kochtoston
6/8/2010, 11:31 PM
Good books, but a ****ing pervert of a human being.

If you're talking about the pedophilia accusations, I'll just say he was never charged or convicted, and leave it at that.

BudSooner
6/9/2010, 09:01 AM
If you're talking about the pedophilia accusations, I'll just say he was never charged or convicted, and leave it at that.
Hmmmm, so he managed to skirt the law? Michael Jackson should have been taking notes.
I still believe he did it though, but he was a brilliant author.

John Kochtoston
6/9/2010, 01:50 PM
Hmmmm, so he managed to skirt the law? Michael Jackson should have been taking notes.
I still believe he did it though, but he was a brilliant author.

Yes, like I manage to skirt the law every day for the Kennedy assasination. I've never been accused or charged with that, because I didn't do it. Clarke deserves the same benefit of the doubt.