Interesting article... and screw up...

[TexasLidig8r]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=Ajlg3UWzaN1rCMrle360MCM5nYcB?slug=dw-expansion060610

If the article is accurate, someone's head needs to be lopped off.

The horses have left the barn and are cavorting down the lane.

[47straight]

It's pretty clear to me that our league management has been playing catch-up for a long time.

[King Barry's Back]

I don't know, I don't have time to really read the whole article right now, but it seems full of assumptions presented as fact.

First, the writer argues that a "playoff" would solve all the monetary problems plaguing the Big XII, and thus making the conference fiscally solvent.

This is silly. The Big XII football conference as it now exists brings in about ten million per year. That's quite a bit of dough.

The conference isn't breaking up because it is starving to death, the conference is breaking up because some belive that some schools could make $10 million+ MORE per year by jumping.

The existence of a playoff would not alter that reality.

In a competitive environment, the absolute value of your assetts is irrelevant. You have to muster resources sufficient to match your rivals, or cease to remain competitive.

As only one example of suppositions treated as facts, see paragraph 2 "[A four-team playoff] would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason."

Are you kidding me? Even beginning a playoff has been massively complicated and the seemingly inevitable evolution to a playoff has been going on AT LEAST since I was a little boy in the early 70s -- and probably before that.

How in the world would expanding a small, three game playoff by 12 teams and numerous games played across the country going to be easy?

He goes on to state that an "easy" 16-team playoff would have solved all the Big XIIs money concerns, but he does not say that a playoff of any size would close the gap between Big XII and other conference payouts.

I could go on, but that's enough.

This guy is trying to sell his book and little else.

[KantoSooner]

I don't know enough history to judge whether the author's take is right or not. What is clear, however, is that B12 teams make significantly less than SEC or B10 teams.
And, in my opinion, that will have an effect, over time, on the competitiveness of our teams. Therefore, it is a situation that needs to be addressed.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I don't know enough history to judge whether the author's take is right or not. What is clear, however, is that B12 teams make significantly less than SEC or B10 teams.
And, in my opinion, that will have an effect, over time, on the competitiveness of our teams. Therefore, it is a situation that needs to be addressed.

If I'm not mistaken, Wetzel is the writer who broke the Reggie Bush. Still, there do seem to be quite a few presumptions presented as fact in the article.

[49r]

Ever notice how every article like this that comes out these days features a picture of Beebe always looking confused or dumbfounded or surprised or some combination of these?

Is this just a natural state for this guy?

[KantoSooner]

If I'm not mistaken, Wetzel is the writer who broke the Reggie Bush. Still, there do seem to be quite a few presumptions presented as fact in the article.

Frankly, even in the off season, I can't really be bothered to go run this stuff to earth. So, I've decided to reserve judgement on the assertions in the article.
What I have no trouble taking a position upon, however, is the point that B12 schools in general and OU in particular are not getting the money they deserve. Not if Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, et al are getting a mill a month more.
And, if we have to realign to get the bucks, that's what should be done. I might not like it from the perspective of tradition, etc., but you don't ignore a financial gap that big in the name of sentiment and live long.

[Sooner Eclipse]

This would not be occurring if Beebe (now known as Dodd's c*ck warmer) would have spent his time pursuing a legitimate B12 network formation instead of trying to protect and defend the longwhoren network that Dodd is pushing. This is all about ut trying to protect their dominant position in the league. Beebe is a dolt. And a ut stooge.
The assumptions in the article are probable but not definite. Beebe should be fired immediately and someone who will represent the WHOLE B12 installed.
Texas has been the orchestrator of the "Big 6 to the P10" deal. They are using it to force MU and especially NU into signing a commitment to stay in the B12. Why? - to maintain their dominance in the B12 and continue to control TV revenue within the league's confines. If they are completely sucessful in leveraging the Lwhoren network the other 11 will be left to distribute the scraps of any B12 network. (which they will demand a big share of as well as keeping all the proceeds from the whoren network).
Texas has no real intention of heading to the P10- its already been stated by the P10 commish that inclusion in the P10 would require them to forgo their own network.
NU should agree to sign that commitment as soon as the short horns agree to commit to a legitimate B12 network. Equal revenue sharing is worth it to maintain stability in the league.

[Leroy Lizard]

This would not be occurring if Beebe (now known as Dodd's c*ck warmer) would have spent his time pursuing a legitimate B12 network formation instead of trying to protect and defend the longwhoren network that Dodd is pushing. This is all about ut trying to protect their dominant position in the league. Beebe is a dolt. And a ut stooge.
The assumptions in the article are probable but not definite. Beebe should be fired immediately and someone who will represent the WHOLE B12 installed.

That's like hiring stewards for the Titanic.

The article seems to lack substance.

[MeMyself&Me]

Texas is to blame for this mess. If the Big 12 were allowed to forge its own TV network then there would not be this big disparity in payouts.

And yes, Texas will have to give up on the whole longhorn network if it were to join another conference so Texas wants the Big 12 to survive. As such, Texas may kill the Pac 10 deal even if that means sticking with a weakened Big 12.

Gotta love those guys...

[TMcGee86]

Yeah I now hope the Big 12 goes down in flames and OU and A&M go to the SEC.

Let the whorns go indy. I will gladly watch my whorn buddies have to pay for the right to watch UT play UTEP and La Monroe while we play in the best conference in the country.

F bebe and F ut.

[TexasLidig8r]

Texas is to blame for this mess. If the Big 12 were allowed to forge its own TV network then there would not be this big disparity in payouts.

And yes, Texas will have to give up on the whole longhorn network if it were to join another conference so Texas wants the Big 12 to survive. As such, Texas may kill the Pac 10 deal even if that means sticking with a weakened Big 12.

Gotta love those guys...

Horsecrap.

When initial discussions about a Big 12 Network started, all universities were very cool to the idea. Why? Because most regarded the soon to begin fledgling Big 10 Network as a bust. That it would never work. So the plan for a Big 12 Network was scrapped.

When that was done, Texas started its own due diligence on getting its own network up... and put time and money into it.

Now that the Big 10 Network has taken off, everyone is whining about "why can't the Big 12 have a network?.. and.. Oh.. it's Texas' fault." No, if the ADs and Commissioner of the Big 12 schools had foresight 3 - 4 years ago, they would have pushed for this. They chose not to.

And facts are facts. There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?

[Leroy Lizard]

It's a sad state of affairs when college football rivalry smack is dominated by talks of marketing and tv viewership.

[MeMyself&Me]

Horsecrap.

When initial discussions about a Big 12 Network started, all universities were very cool to the idea. Why? Because most regarded the soon to begin fledgling Big 10 Network as a bust. That it would never work. So the plan for a Big 12 Network was scrapped.

When that was done, Texas started its own due diligence on getting its own network up... and put time and money into it.

Now that the Big 10 Network has taken off, everyone is whining about "why can't the Big 12 have a network?.. and.. Oh.. it's Texas' fault." No, if the ADs and Commissioner of the Big 12 schools had foresight 3 - 4 years ago, they would have pushed for this. They chose not to.

And facts are facts. There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?

Ignoring your whorn propaganda for a moment, regarding the last comment, the other schools IN YOUR CONFERENCE also contribute that network.

[Jason White's Third Knee]

Horsecrap.

When initial discussions about a Big 12 Network started, all universities were very cool to the idea. Why? Because most regarded the soon to begin fledgling Big 10 Network as a bust. That it would never work. So the plan for a Big 12 Network was scrapped.

When that was done, Texas started its own due diligence on getting its own network up... and put time and money into it.

Now that the Big 10 Network has taken off, everyone is whining about "why can't the Big 12 have a network?.. and.. Oh.. it's Texas' fault." No, if the ADs and Commissioner of the Big 12 schools had foresight 3 - 4 years ago, they would have pushed for this. They chose not to.

And facts are facts. There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?


The longhorn network will be mostly gay porn anyway.

[Captain Cob Mob]

Horsecrap.

When initial discussions about a Big 12 Network started, all universities were very cool to the idea. Why? Because most regarded the soon to begin fledgling Big 10 Network as a bust. That it would never work. So the plan for a Big 12 Network was scrapped.

When that was done, Texas started its own due diligence on getting its own network up... and put time and money into it.

Now that the Big 10 Network has taken off, everyone is whining about "why can't the Big 12 have a network?.. and.. Oh.. it's Texas' fault." No, if the ADs and Commissioner of the Big 12 schools had foresight 3 - 4 years ago, they would have pushed for this. They chose not to.

And facts are facts. There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?

"ALL" universities were not "very cool" with the idea. I know of one lone troublemaker that has consistently bucked Texas's system.

You can claim all you want that everyone else dumped the idea and Texas stove ahead, alone, spending, working, etc etc... so now Texas deserves to have their OWN network, named after themselves and everyone else can sit and spin... you know it was Texas's agenda from the beginning.

Furthermore, and this is big, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Big 10's deal is awesome, and at some point it would benefit everyone to improve the Big 12's tv deal.... HOWEVER, that's never been Texas's agenda. If Texas would simply compromise a little, in an adult type fashion on a few things, I think all of this would have been avoided. Evidently Texas don't do that.

And your comments about how many TV sets, population, and money Texas wields are true, for now. I can remember a time when UT had ran it's program and it's entire conference so far into the craphole, nobody, and I mean nobody was tuning in for SWC football. They were watching Ripley's Believe it or not, or the Six Million Dollar Man..... anything but UT football. It'll happen again.

Compromise.... a little would have gone a long way.

[bluedogok]

The Whorns think like the Yankees, just without all the championships...that has always been evident.

[John Kochtoston]

The Whorns think like the Yankees, just without all the championships...that has always been evident.


And, like the Yankees, tend to forget the product they are selling is not themselves, but competition. No one wants the UT TV rights for their annual non-con gauntlet of North Texas, Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, Austin Westlake and Texas Women's University. They want the UT TV rights, which, for the moment are the Big XII TV rights, because of their games with OU, A&M and, on occasion, the CCG.

[Leroy Lizard]

And, like the Yankees, tend to forget the product they are selling is not themselves, but competition. No one wants the UT TV rights for their annual non-con gauntlet of North Texas, Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, Austin Westlake and Texas Women's University. They want the UT TV rights, which, for the moment are the Big XII TV rights, because of their games with OU, A&M and, on occasion, the CCG.

Austin Westlake offensive linemen hold and the refs never call them on it!

[Collier11]

There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?

Because texas is a part of a conference and it isnt called The University of texas conference

[TexasLidig8r]

Because texas is a part of a conference and it isnt called The University of texas conference


Well then maybe a few years ago, Ou should not have voted against the start up and implementation of a Big 12 television network.

[JohnnyMack]

Good morning Lid. They have the sprinkle donuts you like in the hospital cafeteria today?

[MiccoMacey]

It doesn't matter...he's just going to smear it on his body and pour orange juice down his front. ;)

I'm still not sure how Bebee can enforce a mandate on Nebraska or Missouri to sign anything.

If I'm NU or MU, I tell him to go take a hike. I don't think he has any teeth in his argument.

[Soonermagik]

Horsecrap.

When initial discussions about a Big 12 Network started, all universities were very cool to the idea. Why? Because most regarded the soon to begin fledgling Big 10 Network as a bust. That it would never work. So the plan for a Big 12 Network was scrapped.

When that was done, Texas started its own due diligence on getting its own network up... and put time and money into it.

Now that the Big 10 Network has taken off, everyone is whining about "why can't the Big 12 have a network?.. and.. Oh.. it's Texas' fault." No, if the ADs and Commissioner of the Big 12 schools had foresight 3 - 4 years ago, they would have pushed for this. They chose not to.

And facts are facts. There are more television sets, more people in the State of Texas which will bring the most revenue into a Big 12 network. (if it is modeled on the Big 10 Network, cable will be paid a certain amount per subscriber). So, why should this be split evenly?

Actually, I sort of agree with you. If OU were to have the bigger media market I would be saying the same thing. I agree that Texas should get more money, because they bring more tv's to the table.

Now, Obama would agree that Kansas State should get as much as Texas, because it's only fair.;) Give me a break people, Texas is a bigger commodity. Therefore, they deserve a bigger slice of the financial pie. Following this logic, OU has a large fan base and should be expected to be second in line. Trust me, OU will manage to squeak by. :D

I think the marriage between OU and Texas .... though bitter at times is beneficial to both programs. I would be disappointed if OU went to the SEC and Texas went to the Pac-10 or vice versa. To lose the OU Texas rivalry would be a sad day in college football. I'm afraid it might come to that if money fights start. I would hope both schools could reach an amicable resolution and would think cooler heads would prevail.

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[OUMallen]

Actually, I sort of agree with you. If OU were to have the bigger media market I would be saying the same thing. I agree that Texas should get more money, because they bring more tv's to the table.

Now, Obama would agree that Kansas State should get as much as Texas, because it's only fair.;) Give me a break people, Texas is a bigger commodity. Therefore, they deserve a bigger slice of the financial pie. Following this logic, OU has a large fan base and should be expected to be second in line. Trust me, OU will manage to squeak by. :D

I think the marriage between OU and Texas .... though bitter at times is beneficial to both programs. I would be disappointed if OU went to the SEC and Texas went to the Pac-10 or vice versa. To lose the OU Texas rivalry would be a sad day in college football. I'm afraid it might come to that if money fights start. I would hope both schools could reach an amicable resolution and would think cooler heads would prevail.

Negged in 3....2....1....

The vast, vast majority of OU/TX games were played when both teams were in different conferences. I think we'd be OK.

That being said, I'd like to go wherever Texas goes. Sounds fun. Let's play some ball. But cripes, man, can we PLEASE get CU and not Baylor.

[Soonermagik]

The vast, vast majority of OU/TX games were played when both teams were in different conferences. I think we'd be OK.

That being said, I'd like to go wherever Texas goes. Sounds fun. Let's play some ball. But cripes, man, can we PLEASE get CU and not Baylor.

I understand that, but times have changed. If OU goes to a mega conference and has to play USC, Oregon, Oregon St .. it would be tough to schedule a Texas on top of that. That's assuming that Texas would go their own way and become an independent or go to another mega conference.