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OklahomaTuba
5/26/2010, 09:04 AM
Didn't see this last night. Interesting...

"This scandal could be enormous," said Dick Morris, a former White House adviser to President Bill Clinton, on the Fox News Sean Hannity show last night. "It's Valerie Plame only 10 times bigger, because it's illegal and Joe Sestak is either lying or the White House committed a crime.

"Obviously, the offer of a significant job in the White House could not be made unless it was by Rahm Emanuel or cleared with Rahm Emanuel," he said. If the job offer was high enough that it also had Obama's apppoval, "that is a high crime and misdemeanor."

"In other words, an impeachable offense?" Hannity asked

"Absolutely," said Morris.http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=158617

My Opinion Matters
5/26/2010, 09:21 AM
How come no one uses neon shoelaces anymore?

Harry Beanbag
5/26/2010, 09:23 AM
How come no one uses neon shoelaces anymore?


That is also an impeachable offense.

XingTheRubicon
5/26/2010, 09:46 AM
This is akin to being pissed about Jeffrey Dahmer killing cats.

Soonerfan88
5/26/2010, 09:50 AM
This is akin to being pissed about Jeffrey Dahmer killing cats.

And animal torture and mutilation is a major indicator of much more violent tendencies/acts. If the Obama administration is this cavalier toward something you consider a small ethical/legal violation, how much worse are they doing a little further behind the scenes?

Fraggle145
5/26/2010, 10:25 AM
I think Tuba spotted the cookie... everyone else can go home now.

KC//CRIMSON
5/26/2010, 10:30 AM
Nice website, Tuba. Do they sell Chia Pets and Snuggies too?

Harry Beanbag
5/26/2010, 10:31 AM
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/obama_bg_new-thumb-520x265.jpg

KC//CRIMSON
5/26/2010, 10:45 AM
Why did I ask? Of course they do.

StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 11:16 AM
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/obama_bg_new-thumb-520x265.jpg

Those are some of the coolest Clay Pidgeons I've ever seen.

StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 11:16 AM
PULL!

Harry Beanbag
5/26/2010, 11:17 AM
Dick Cheney, is that you?

StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 11:18 AM
heh

oudavid1
5/26/2010, 11:28 AM
Dick Cheney, is that you?

I wish

soonervegas
5/26/2010, 11:30 AM
Is it being ignored by the mainstream media?

Man, I hope so.

BudSooner
5/26/2010, 11:36 AM
Nice website, Tuba. Do they sell Chia Pets and Snuggies too?
I missed that but the solar fridge is frickin sweet!

oudavid1
5/26/2010, 11:37 AM
Is it being ignored by the mainstream media?

Man, I hope so.

What else is new

KC//CRIMSON
5/26/2010, 11:47 AM
Which is more goofy? Tuba's post or that someone has logged in as Dr. Jelly Finger?

49r
5/26/2010, 11:48 AM
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1991 - Valedictorian, Mar-Mac High School, McGregor, Iowa
1996 - B.A. Communications, cum laude, Bethel College, St. Paul, Minnesota
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"Children stolen, forced into firefights" WorldNetDaily, Summer 2008
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StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 11:51 AM
Which is more goofy? Tuba's post or that someone has logged in as Dr. Jelly Finger?

Dr. Jelly Finger's thesis is pretty slick IMO

BudSooner
5/26/2010, 12:20 PM
Dr. Jelly Finger's thesis is pretty slick IMO
That and he cruised thru Rock Band2 on expert ain't nothing to sneeze at.:D

StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 12:23 PM
AfpyoGFJNNE

49r
5/26/2010, 12:30 PM
L5X2Kp8bOMU

OklahomaTuba
5/26/2010, 12:58 PM
This is akin to being pissed about Jeffrey Dahmer killing cats.Usually when a President breaks federal law, thats a fairly serious issue. Or at least it used to be, before the current regime.

I hope they appoint a special prosecutor to this.


Rep. Sestak, D-Penn., who defeated Specter in the primary last week, told Comcast’s Larry Kane in February that the White House had offered him a position in exchange for not challenging Specter. White House senior adviser David Axelrod said on Monday that White House lawyers had looked into it and judged everything “perfectly appropriate.”

CNN’s John King suggested to Axelrod that such a job offer “marches up into the gray area, perhaps into the red area of a felony. It is a felony to induce somebody by offering them a job.”

“If such things happened they would constitute a serious breach of the law,” Axelrod told CNN, “and when the allegations were looked into there is no evidence of such a thing"http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/exclusive-senate-judiciary-committee-republicans-atorney-general-eric-holder-special-prosecutor-sestak-job-offer.html

StoopTroup
5/26/2010, 01:04 PM
L5X2Kp8bOMU

LMAO @ those folks dancing in the backround at 1:16....lol

GottaHavePride
5/26/2010, 01:04 PM
Is it being ignored by the mainstream media?

Man, I hope so.

OK, I have to give Tuba a little credit on this one.

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005547-503544.html)

However:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201005260026

Even the Bush administration's chief ethics lawyer says it would be nearly impossible to prosecute this. If officials simply offered Sestak a job and left it at that, well, there's nothing illegal in offering a guy a job. If Sestak then went on to assume the job offer was a bribe to get him out of the primary, well, he's free to be as paranoid as he wants.

The reason even Sestak is dodging questions about it now is that he probably realized he made a wild, unsupported accusation that no one can prove and he's hoping everyone will just drop it before he comes off looking like an idiot.

Without internal memos or recorded conversations that explicitly say "offer Sestak this job to get him out of the race against Arlen Specter" absolutely nothing is going to happen.

BudSooner
5/26/2010, 01:14 PM
L5X2Kp8bOMU
I've never heard that song before, and can say I don't have a need to again, just change one letter in the title and it can be the entrance music for the horns in the fall.

OklahomaTuba
5/26/2010, 01:26 PM
If officials simply offered Sestak a job and left it at that, well, there's nothing illegal in offering a guy a job. If Sestak then went on to assume the job offer was a bribe to get him out of the primary, well, he's free to be as paranoid as he wants.

Wasn't an if, Sestak said several times that this was a bribe to get out. And rumor has it that the bribe was the Secretary of the Navy position.

Oh, and Obama was backing his opponent coincidently.


Karl Rove, longtime White House adviser to President George W. Bush, said the charge is explosive because of federal law.

"This is a pretty extraordinary charge: 'They tried to bribe me out of the race by offering me a job,'" he said on Greta Van Susteran's "On the Record" program on the Fox News Channel. "Look, that's a violation of the federal code: 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.

"Somebody violated the law. If Sestak is telling the truth, somebody violated the law," Rove said. "Section 18 USC 211 says you cannot accept anything of value in return for hiring somebody. Well, arguably, providing a clear path to the nomination for a fellow Democrat is something of value.

He continued, citing a third law passage: "18 USC 595, which prohibits a federal official from interfering with the nomination or election for office. ... 'If you'll get out, we'll appoint you to a federal office,' – that's a violation of the law."

Or course, this wouldn't be the first time Obama has used bribes and kick backs to get his way. Why, that's how Obamacare got passed!!!

GottaHavePride
5/26/2010, 01:32 PM
Wasn't an if, Sestak said several times that this was a bribe to get out.

Oh, and Obama was backing his opponent coincidently.

Yeah, I got that part. Here's what I'm talking about:

Random official: Hey, we have this position open we'd like to offer you.

Sestak: No thanks, I'm in the middle of a Senate race.

Sestak later on: Hey! Those a-holes must have been trying to bribe me out of that Senate race!



See? There's no way that scenario is illegal or prosecutable. He can think they were trying to bribe him, but there's no way to prove it.

EDIT: in other words, there is NO PROOF this offer was a bribe other than Sestak's own claim that it was such. A claim which isn't supported by any evidence that has come forward so far.

SicEmBaylor
5/26/2010, 01:34 PM
I could care less unless Sestak had actually accepted and taken the job. I don't know if merely offering is against the law or not, but it's not a big deal to me personally since he didn't actually accept.

soonerscuba
5/26/2010, 01:35 PM
Yeah, I got that part. Here's what I'm talking about:

Random official: Hey, we have this position open we'd like to offer you.

Sestak: No thanks, I'm in the middle of a Senate race.

Sestak later on: Hey! Those a-holes must have been trying to bribe me out of that Senate race!



See? There's no way that scenario is illegal or prosecutable. He can think they were trying to bribe him, but there's no way to prove it.

EDIT: in other words, there is NO PROOF this offer was a bribe other than Sestak's own claim that it was such. A claim which isn't supported by any evidence that has come forward so far.But what if I really dislike Obama? I mean, I'm super-duper angry, so that should count for something.

OklahomaTuba
5/26/2010, 01:40 PM
in other words, there is NO PROOF this offer was a bribe other than Sestak's own claim that it was such. A claim which isn't supported by any evidence that has come forward so far.Absence of proof is not proof of absence, as they say.

delhalew
5/26/2010, 01:56 PM
Regardless of how likely prosecution is, voters need to know if Sestak is a liar/idiot, or if the Obama admin has been caught in close proximity to yet another ethical cluster****.
This is becoming a habit.

OklahomaTuba
5/26/2010, 02:01 PM
Yeah, it's either the donk is a liar, or Dear Leader is. Sestak himself is the proof of this happening, why else would he lie and then now shut up about it since he's the nominee???

We've appointed special prosecutors for much more minor offenses, and this isn't minor.

GottaHavePride
5/26/2010, 02:42 PM
Yes, but since people have looked into this already and decided NOT to appoint a special prosecutor, I'm guessing it happened much like in my scenario above.

NormanPride
5/26/2010, 03:16 PM
Does anyone else wonder why we have a sleestak in our government?

Curly Bill
5/26/2010, 05:26 PM
Does anyone else wonder why we have a sleestak in our government?

All in the name of diversity.

Crucifax Autumn
5/26/2010, 06:03 PM
http://www.stickerguy.com/stikweek/sleestak-big.gif

VeeJay
5/26/2010, 10:14 PM
Is there a soul remaining that actually believes our government has the capacity to keep operating? I saw Christopher Dodd blaming the oil spill on Bush - it had to happen sooner or later. This is one of the sh*t-for-brains that runs the damned government.

My disdain for these *** clowns is beyond contempt and disgust.

MR2-Sooner86
5/26/2010, 10:27 PM
Is there a soul remaining that actually believes our government has the capacity to keep operating? I saw Christopher Dodd blaming the oil spill on Bush - it had to happen sooner or later. This is one of the sh*t-for-brains that runs the damned government.

My disdain for these *** clowns is beyond contempt and disgust.

Anarchy FTW!!! I'm down if anybody else is?

:pop:

Curly Bill
5/26/2010, 10:33 PM
Anarchy FTW!!! I'm down if anybody else is?

:pop:

You first! I got your back. :D

VeeJay
5/26/2010, 10:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if people start getting their arses whooped.

Just sayin.'

soonerscuba
5/26/2010, 10:51 PM
Is there a soul remaining that actually believes our government has the capacity to keep operating? I saw Christopher Dodd blaming the oil spill on Bush - it had to happen sooner or later. This is one of the sh*t-for-brains that runs the damned government.

My disdain for these *** clowns is beyond contempt and disgust.Obama is our George W Bush. He provides lots of red meat for the base, is unapologetically liberal (as Bush was conservative), not at all interested in coalition building, and from everything I can tell, probably an alright dude to hang out with. The way this country seems to be factionalizing, I see no reason for the oscillating to stop until we enter a prolonged period that simply requires a national unity, because I certainly don't see the voters making sensible choices anytime soon.

ndpruitt03
5/26/2010, 10:55 PM
The last thing I could ever call Bush is conservative. He was liberal lite if anything. He spent more than anyone had ever done in history which is what Obama campaigned against. But what Obama really meant is we are gonna make Bush's spending look like he was saving money.

Spending our way out of debt wasn't the way to go when Bush was there and spending more money isn't the way to go either. Both are going to lead to Greece or Spain or Italy or most of the rest of Europe that's falling apart right now.

GottaHavePride
5/27/2010, 12:51 AM
Is there a soul remaining that actually believes our government has the capacity to keep operating? I saw Christopher Dodd blaming the oil spill on Bush - it had to happen sooner or later. This is one of the sh*t-for-brains that runs the damned government.

My disdain for these *** clowns is beyond contempt and disgust.


If they're blaming anyone, it really ought to be squarely on BP.

Anyone else notice that BP was also in charge of the botched response to the Exxon Valdez spill?

ndpruitt03
5/27/2010, 12:56 AM
If we drilled for oil in more reasonable areas, like land or shallower waters instead of hard to reach areas. Spills like this wouldn't happen near as often.

BudSooner
5/27/2010, 07:20 AM
Anyone else notice that BP was also in charge of the botched response to the Exxon Valdez spill?

I read that as well, mind boggling that this is the same company and we are supposed to have faith that they will perform a proper cleanup?
That is the definition of a cluster****.

49r
5/27/2010, 09:07 AM
I just wanted to point out the bio of the author of the article linked by OP in this thread. In the "Awards" section of his CV he mentions being a "decorated" member of an internet messageboard, srsly. This dude put his messageboard accomplishments on his resume (http://www.storycraftcommunications.com/DrewZahnbio.html).



Awards:
Drew's work at Leadership helped the magazine receive two awards of
recognition from the Evangelical Press Association (EPA). Leadership won the
EPA's highest honor, the "Award of Excellence" for the year 2001, while Drew
was on staff. Then, in 2002, Drew helped Leadership win a third-place award for
its single issue, "The Prayer-Driven Church." You may see all the winners here:
EPA Award Winners

Drew is a member in good standing of the Front Office Football Central forum,
where several members post in the "Dynasty" section, making them eligible for
annual Golden Scribe awards. Drew is among the forum's most decorated
members, having won 6 Scribe awards, 3 Golden Scribe awards, and the 2004
Golden Scribe for Best Dynasty of the Year.


I smell a Helander in here somewhere.

Harry Beanbag
5/27/2010, 09:10 AM
Sounds like some posters around here.

StoopTroup
5/27/2010, 09:11 AM
Someone who puts messageboard accomplishments on his resume...is someone who probably has been laid off, ran out of the total weeks for unemployment compensation and now is living on food stamps and logging onto OP.com from a workstation at the Public Library where Helander now is a volunteer. :D

StoopTroup
5/27/2010, 09:33 AM
Also...I remember how the Pubs and ken Starr wasted millions trying to decide whether or not you could impeach a POTUS for getting a pizza and a blowjob in the Whitehouse....

It's good to know they have stepped up their game.:rolleyes:

Looks like four more years of Obama Folks. :pop:

BudSooner
5/27/2010, 10:18 AM
I just wanted to point out the bio of the author of the article linked by OP in this thread. In the "Awards" section of his CV he mentions being a "decorated" member of an internet messageboard, srsly. This dude put his messageboard accomplishments on his resume (http://www.storycraftcommunications.com/DrewZahnbio.html).




I smell a Helander in here somewhere.
It is not me this time.:D

sooner KB
5/28/2010, 07:27 PM
http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/30549/bribe.jpg