At Some point you've made enough money

[BermudaSooner]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/28/obama_to_wall_street_i_do_think_at_a_certain_point _youve_made_enough_money.html

This may be the scariest thing a US President has ever said. What if someone said it to Buffett, or Gates, or Helu. These men have created millions of jobs and supported millions of families through their ability to create wealth. Does Helu need $53 billion? What if our all-knowing president stopped him at $1 billion just because in Obama's estimation that was "enough?" How many people would not have jobs because Helu, or Gates or Buffett kept going after they had enough.

Unreal. This is un-American.

[NormanPride]

I agree. I know in theory it sounds nice, that we can reduce some sort of greed factor. But it's the complete murder of capitalism.

[GKeeper316]

This is un-American.

but very christian.

[yermom]

what part of "at a certain point you've made enough money" means "i'm going to set a limit on how much money you can make"?

i have absolutely no issue with the statement. at some point you have enough money to be comfortable and the rest is just zeros on paper

[1890MilesToNorman]

I made a lot of money fixing Bill Gates' broken programs but I don't have the expertise to fix Obama's broken programs. :mad:

[Flagstaffsooner]

That half chipanzee is raking in millions.

[NormanPride]

what part of "at a certain point you've made enough money" means "i'm going to set a limit on how much money you can make"?

i have absolutely no issue with the statement. at some point you have enough money to be comfortable and the rest is just zeros on paper

Well, sure, the statement is fine. But it's the implied desire for action that worries. Saying "I'd really prefer if there weren't as many people getting in my way of making changes around here" seems innocuous enough until you realize it's asking for more power and less oversight.

[ndpruitt03]

This is why our government is so wacky. You can't set a limit on what is making to much money. It'll just hurt he lower classes to where they will never make money so most of the people in this country will end up poor. Rich will be the only ones benefit from this.

[yermom]

seriously though, at one point the top tax bracket was like 90%

people are whining now and it's not even 40%

what do you think is going to happen?

[C&CDean]

but very communist.

Fixed.

[badger]

As long as the idea isn't forced, it's fine. Right now, China is putting up billboards across the country trying to convince it's people that having a baby girl is just a good to carry on a family line as a baby boy. However, they're not forcing Chinese people to abort baby boys in favor of having girls (yet)

So, Obama can say that people should look to donate to communities and education and wellness, etc. after they have a certain amount of money. Just don't force people to do it.

[GKeeper316]

christ was a communist, dean.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Give unto Caeserbama.

[C&CDean]

christ was a communist, dean.

And you're a tool. So what's your point?

[GKeeper316]

And you're a tool. So what's your point?

just wondering how you christians reconcile your basic capitalist greed and your christian faith...

[GKeeper316]

and i may be a tool, but im a well educated tool who actually went to college to learn how to use his brain.

you're just some ignorant high school drop-out ex-con who lacks the capacity for abstract thought and thinks anyone who thinks differently than you must be stupid.

[BermudaSooner]

what part of "at a certain point you've made enough money" means "i'm going to set a limit on how much money you can make"?

i have absolutely no issue with the statement. at some point you have enough money to be comfortable and the rest is just zeros on paper

Who gets to set that limit? The point here is it is the gubment telling you how much they think is enough for you. That is the death of capitalism. Without reward there will be no risk takers. Without risk takers there are no Apples, Amazons, Yahoos!, Microsofts, and on and on.

This is scary ****, man. Scary ****in ****.

[C&CDean]

pfffffft. Blow me.

You drive a car? Have a house? A job? Money in the bank?

Greedy **********.

[MR2-Sooner86]

but very christian.

Nice fallacy there.


and i may be a tool, but im a well educated tool who actually went to college to learn how to use his brain

With that attitude you remind me of the looney art and poli sci majors I know that think communism is awesome because of Star Trek and we need to destroy the constitution because America is evil.

[C&CDean]

and i may be a tool, but im a well educated tool who actually went to college to learn how to use his brain.

you're just some ignorant high school drop-out ex-con who lacks the capacity for abstract thought and thinks anyone who thinks differently than you must be stupid.

Then how about using your education and learn to properly punctuate a sentence there Einstein?

Also, I think you're confusing "abstract thought" with air headedness.

Finally, I have two degrees from two different universities in this state hanging on my wall. I'd have to call myself well-educated as well.

What else ya' got?

[Tulsa_Fireman]

I got a big weiner. And no piece of paper.

Where does that rank me?

[C&CDean]

I got a big weiner. And no piece of paper.

Where does that rank me?

A big stupid dick?

[BermudaSooner]

just wondering how you christians reconcile your basic capitalist greed and your christian faith...

Not really wanting to step into this one, and I sure don't know my New Testament, but I don't recall Jesus ever advocating the forceful taking from the rich to give to the poor. He encouraged charity, sure, but I don't recall that he called for the taking from the rich like some old timey Robin Hood, or by the end of the government's spear.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Word.

[yermom]

Who gets to set that limit? The point here is it is the gubment telling you how much they think is enough for you. That is the death of capitalism. Without reward there will be no risk takers. Without risk takers there are no Apples, Amazons, Yahoos!, Microsofts, and on and on.

This is scary ****, man. Scary ****in ****.

i've yet to see a limit set. it's just an off-hand comment that i haven't even seen any context on (i wonder why?)

[BermudaSooner]

I love when my threads deteriorate off into some weird tangent I never saw coming.

[C&CDean]

i've yet to see a limit set. it's just an off-hand comment that i haven't even seen any context on (i wonder why?)

Dude, it's the ****ing POTUS. There's no such thing as "off-hand" comments. Remember the last 8 years?

[ndpruitt03]

It's not okay for Bush to say something off-hand because he was evil and represented the right that makes him Hitler. But it's perfectly fine with Obama because he is evil also but he represents the left. Evil people of the left have never committed genocide(except for Mao, Che, Stalin)

[BermudaSooner]

i've yet to see a limit set. it's just an off-hand comment that i haven't even seen any context on (i wonder why?)

by that you are implying that there is some limit you would agree to, correct?

What is that limit? 100 million, 1 billion, 10 billion? Why would we want those that are our nation's greatest producers (and creators of jobs) to stop? They make this economy go, not Geitner and Obama.

[yermom]

Not really wanting to step into this one, and I sure don't know my New Testament, but I don't recall Jesus ever advocating the forceful taking from the rich to give to the poor. He encouraged charity, sure, but I don't recall that he called for the taking from the rich like some old timey Robin Hood, or by the end of the government's spear.

i think he said not to be greedy and pay your taxes, or something

[ndpruitt03]

I don't see why we have to start trusting that the government will fix things when our very constitution was found by guys that decided not to trust government.

Now we are suddenly supposed to trust that the government knows what to do with all these entitlements they want to give us? You really think that healthcare will ever be paid for?

Look at social security it was meant to pay for people that were dying. The life expectancy in the 40s was 60 years old when SS was enacted. Now it's 80 years old. And the biggest population group in the USA is over 60s. Does anyone see anything wrong with this? This is why social security is going broke it wasn't made to pay for everyone.

[yermom]

by that you are implying that there is some limit you would agree to, correct?

What is that limit? 100 million, 1 billion, 10 billion? Why would we want those that are our nation's greatest producers (and creators of jobs) to stop? They make this economy go, not Geitner and Obama.

where did i say that?

i said that at some point money is kinda meaningless and becomes a number on a computer somewhere

[Sooner98]

Didn't Obama himself make $5 million last year? I think that he should keep about $100,000 or so for he and his family, that should be "enough money". The rest he needs to give to the poor, otherwise, he's nothing but a big hypocrite. (Of course these limousine liberals are the absolute epitome of hypocrisy)

[MR2-Sooner86]

Comrades please! Lets get along! It'll all be alright!

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/communism_its_a_party.jpg

[Stitch Face]

just wondering how you christians reconcile your basic capitalist greed and your christian faith...

How much money has Bill Gates given to charity?


Answer: a lot more than you ever will.

[Harry Beanbag]

i think he said not to be greedy and pay your taxes, or something


Obama's Cabinet and half of Congress is going to Hell.

[yermom]

only half? :D

[Harry Beanbag]

Just a ballpark figure. :)

[tommieharris91]

Just a ballpark figure. :)

You're about half of Congress short.

[tommieharris91]

How much money has Bill Gates given to charity?


Answer: a lot more than you ever will.

Bill Gates probably isn't the best example to use in this argument.

[tommieharris91]

nm

[Stitch Face]

Bill Gates probably isn't the best example to use in this argument.

No, probably not, but I'll bet he still gives a higher percentage than newly-minted evangelicals like GKeeper.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Let's compare apples to apples here.

How many jobs has Bill Gates generated in the past 20 years? Including the millions of support jobs that every corporation who chose Microsoft software needs to hire? And the trainers to teach you how to fix his crappy software?

Compared to!!!!

Gubmint jobs covering the same time frame??

[tommieharris91]

Let's compare apples to apples here.

How many jobs has Bill Gates generated in the past 20 years? Including the millions of support jobs that every corporation who chose Microsoft software needs to hire? And the trainers to teach you how to fix his crappy software?

Compared to!!!!

Gubmint jobs covering the same time frame??

I have no clue where to find such a comparison, but I'm pickin damded evil Feds.

I'm shocked that you Pubs here are using a Keynesian-thinking, socialist, godless Democrat as an example of how capitalism is supposed to be.

[Frozen Sooner]

I have no clue where to find such a comparison, but I'm pickin damded evil Feds.

I'm shocked that you Pubs here are using a Keynesian-thinking, socialist, godless Democrat as an example of how capitalism is supposed to be.

Isn't it funny that the two biggest capitalist success stories in America are both Ivy League-educated liberal Democrats?

Oh, I forgot. We're all lazy and don't have a work ethic. :rolleyes:

[Curly Bill]

Isn't it funny that the two biggest capitalist success stories in America are both Ivy League-educated liberal Democrats?

Oh, I forgot. We're all lazy and don't have a work ethic. :rolleyes:

Not all, just the vast majority.

[Frozen Sooner]

True, but then again you could apply that same label to the vast majority of Republicans.

[Curly Bill]

True, but then again you could apply that same label to the vast majority of Republicans.

In this day and age there's no question about it...

...sadly.

[GKeeper316]

No, probably not, but I'll bet he still gives a higher percentage than newly-minted evangelicals like GKeeper.

huh?

[delhalew]

and i may be a tool, but im a well educated tool who actually went to college to learn how to use his brain.

you're just some ignorant high school drop-out ex-con who lacks the capacity for abstract thought and thinks anyone who thinks differently than you must be stupid.

You clearly went to school and learned how to pull bull**** from your brain put there by aged hippies who failed in every possible way in the real world and returned to the one place that would have them.

[Turd_Ferguson]

huh?Your best post so far...:D

[delhalew]

Isn't it funny that the two biggest capitalist success stories in America are both Ivy League-educated liberal Democrats?

Oh, I forgot. We're all lazy and don't have a work ethic. :rolleyes:

No. You simply believe you can use the lazy, stupid, or disenfranchised to control the rest of us while you suckle at the tit of a bound and twisted version of capitalism, constructed through class warfare,to serve the elite.
Just saying...we're on to you.

[Frozen Sooner]

No. You simply believe you can use the lazy, stupid, or disenfranchised to control the rest of us while you suckle at the tit of a bound and twisted version of capitalism, constructed through class warfare,to serve the elite.
Just saying...we're on to you.

Oh yeah?
Well, you simply believe that you can reunite the nine rings of power to dominate mankind forever. To that end, you plan to burn the forests to the ground and create a twisted half-race of orcs.

Just saying...we're on to you.

And you also eat poop.

[delhalew]

:D

[tommieharris91]

Isn't it funny that the two biggest capitalist success stories in America are both Ivy League-educated liberal Democrats?

Oh, I forgot. We're all lazy and don't have a work ethic. :rolleyes:

Psst... Gates didn't graduate college.

[Frozen Sooner]

Psst... Gates didn't graduate college.

psst. That's why I didn't say they had Ivy League degrees. He just went to an Ivy League school

[SicEmBaylor]

Isn't it funny that the two biggest capitalist success stories in America are both Ivy League-educated liberal Democrats?

Oh, I forgot. We're all lazy and don't have a work ethic. :rolleyes:

To be fair, Gates is only partially-Ivy League educated. He dropped out.

Edit: Nevermind, its been pointed out.

[SicEmBaylor]

I, for one, have little respect for someone who starts college and doesn't finish.

[yermom]

losers

[sooner59]

I, for one, have little respect for someone who starts college and doesn't finish.

Think of all the booze and *** he could have had!

Oh wait. He was a nerd. Well, booze anyway. But I guess he can afford to buy me and turn me into a booze. Ah ****...

[CORNholio]

Everyone with a job (except for the self-employed) works for a rich man. His "greed" provides you a job, feeds your children, and allows you to drive that 09 challenger. If you are motivated enough you can eventually become that rich man who provides the jobs to the next generation. Obama doesn't get the American dream/way. This is what happens when you elect a man based on race and the failures of the previous administration rather than taking a deeper look at the man, voters can be such teenagers sometimes.

[MrJimBeam]

I
I'm shocked that you Pubs here are using a Keynesian-thinking, socialist, godless Democrat as an example of how capitalism is supposed to be.

I would bet 30 years ago Bill Gates was no Keynesain-socialist. He's got his $500 Gazzillion, what does he need the free market for anymore?

[OU_Sooners75]

Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and almost every person with money flowing out their crevices seem to give a lot of money to charity.

If Obama really thinks there is a point where making money becomes a problem and acts on it, will be the day that we as a country has another revolution.

[tommieharris91]

I would bet 30 years ago Bill Gates was no Keynesain-socialist. He's got his $500 Gazzillion, what does he need the free market for anymore?

Something tells me he always was a liberal after his Ivy League indoctrination.

[Skysooner]

Everyone with a job (except for the self-employed) works for a rich man. His "greed" provides you a job, feeds your children, and allows you to drive that 09 challenger. If you are motivated enough you can eventually become that rich man who provides the jobs to the next generation. Obama doesn't get the American dream/way. This is what happens when you elect a man based on race and the failures of the previous administration rather than taking a deeper look at the man, voters can be such teenagers sometimes.

What do you mean because of his race? Don't you mean in spite of his race? He had a funny name, had every possible mud slung his way, was barely religious and was African-American. It was a miracle he was elected in spite of this.

[yermom]

if Obama was white, no one would have ever heard of him

[Frozen Sooner]

Conversely, had GW Bush been named "Finkelstein" we'd probably have never heard of him.

[NormanPride]

Truth.

[OUmillenium]

but very christian.

NO it is not. Certain people are gifted or blessed beyond others and it is that person's responsibility to decide how to properly use/distribute those blessings.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S PLACE TO STEP IN AND DICTATE WHERE YOUR EARNINGS GO.

If abundantly blessed, God expects you to abundantly bless others in various ways, not giving your earnings to those who have "idle hands".

[delhalew]

What do you mean because of his race? Don't you mean in spite of his race? He had a funny name, had every possible mud slung his way, was barely religious and was African-American. It was a miracle he was elected in spite of this.

Don't underestimate the power of the machine that put him in position Sky.

[Stitch Face]

if Obama was white, no one would have ever heard of him

True.


had GW Bush been named "Finkelstein" we'd probably have never heard of him.

True.


Our current and most recent president were unqualified puppets of their party elected not on the merits but because of what they symbolized to their base.

[1890MilesToNorman]

I sat at a big round table last night and there were ten of us talking, there were smart people, stupid people, lefties and righties all talking about shat. Not a single person had anything good to say about what's going on in America today. Well wait, there was one guy who just started a business and he was praising the stimulus money cause he's getting some concrete work out of it, we all said your welcome and then he started bashing what's going on as well.

I encourage everyone to get out there and talk to your neighbors, in an informal setting, and find out how and what they think. We had a lot of laughs and got to vent about shat that's bothering us. The only consensus was things need to change, and I'm not talking about Obama kinda change.

[Skysooner]

Don't underestimate the power of the machine that put him in position Sky.

The same machine that couldn't get Gore in when he won the popular vote or couldn't get Kerry in when we were in the middle of an unpopular war? I do agree with you though in that we are often sold a pig in a poke through rhetoric, commercials, etc. The science of advertising is pretty good, and I often wonder how it affects me. What I thought was funny about Obama is that my entire family ended up voting for him and we were all supporting him before he even announced. All of us have been Rs in the past and none of us had communication about who we were supporting right up until the election.

[lexsooner]

True, people are not very happy these days. Americans realize that the middle class American Dream is slipping away. People have various theories as to why, but I think it is safe to say it is a combination of the greed and mistakes of middle class individuals, the influence of those in power - the business community, unions, and other special interests - and their political cronies from both parties who were complicit in orchestrating a significant shift in wealth from the middle and lower classes to the richest of the rich. I shake my head whenever some of the paranoids scream about the supposed "redistribution of wealth" which will happen - it has in fact already has happened over the last few decades: from those of ordinary means to the very wealthy.

[delhalew]

The same machine that couldn't get Gore in when he won the popular vote or couldn't get Kerry in when we were in the middle of an unpopular war? I do agree with you though in that we are often sold a pig in a poke through rhetoric, commercials, etc. The science of advertising is pretty good, and I often wonder how it affects me. What I thought was funny about Obama is that my entire family ended up voting for him and we were all supporting him before he even announced. All of us have been Rs in the past and none of us had communication about who we were supporting right up until the election.

So what was the difference. Aside from the prep that the media did in Bush's last term.
They found a racebaiting black man with a nice smile and a hell of a personality. The next thing you know members of the media are creaming their drawers and the rest is history.

[yermom]

the difference was "history" and formerly apathetic voters

and well, the economy in the toilet isn't exactly good for the incumbent party

[TopDawg]

If Obama really thinks there is a point where making money becomes a problem and acts on it, will be the day that we as a country has another revolution.

And Obama knows that.

I think most of us would agree that "at some point, you've made enough money."

I also think most of us would agree that "at no point, should the government put a cap on how much you can make."

Sound the alarm when Obama starts saying things like "at this point, the government won't allow you to make any more money."

[TopDawg]

So what was the difference.

yermom pointed out a couple of things and I'm interested to see what Skysooner says, but I also know that Palin was a difference for some people that were on the fence. There's no questioning that she energized a lot of people, but she also scared a lot of people.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

christ was a communist, dean.

I seriously, seriously doubt that. And there is nothing un-Christian about making gobs and gobs of money. It is what you do with it and how you live your life through good works is what makes the difference, not the amount of money.

[TopDawg]

The early church certainly practiced what looks a lot like communism (which comes from the idea of communal living...and doesn't sound nearly so evil).


32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

36Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet.

[ndpruitt03]

The early Christians had live on the outside of the big governments at the time also. I don't think communism would work but if it were to work it would be without a government.

[TopDawg]

I seriously, seriously doubt that. And there is nothing un-Christian about making gobs and gobs of money. It is what you do with it and how you live your life through good works is what makes the difference, not the amount of money.

To this point...I suppose you're right. Perhaps Joseph (the Levite from Cyprus) made gobs and gobs of money on the field he sold. Then, according to scripture, he put it all at the apostles feet.

Acts 5 tells the story of someone from that community who kept some money back for himself. Yikes!

[TUSooner]

I seriously, seriously doubt that. And there is nothing un-Christian about making gobs and gobs of money. It is what you do with it and how you live your life through good works is what makes the difference, not the amount of money.

I think it also matters HOW you make it. Theft, I believe, is frowned upon by most major denominations.
I have no problem with investment bankers EARNING bazillions. And it's certainly very troublesome when the Government starts deciding how much is enough.
That being said, it's kinda hard to figure how some of these Ds & Os "earned" any bonuses if their banks got bailed out with public money. Unless they are being rewarded for the achievement of getting their hand in the till. (If only those illegal Guatemalan hotel maids were so clever! We might give them honorary citizenship.)

[GKeeper316]

NO it is not. Certain people are gifted or blessed beyond others and it is that person's responsibility to decide how to properly use/distribute those blessings.

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S PLACE TO STEP IN AND DICTATE WHERE YOUR EARNINGS GO.

If abundantly blessed, God expects you to abundantly bless others in various ways, not giving your earnings to those who have "idle hands".

show me where anyone said government was going to impose limitations on earnings.

and yes it is very christian to give everything you dont absolutely need to help those who need it more than you do. its called charity. nobody ever said give it to those who refuse to work.

camel through the eye of a needle....

[homerSimpsonsBrain]

To this point...I suppose you're right. Perhaps Joseph (the Levite from Cyprus) made gobs and gobs of money on the field he sold. Then, according to scripture, he put it all at the apostles feet.

Acts 5 tells the story of someone from that community who kept some money back for himself. Yikes!

Actually I dont think they got in trouble for keeping money back for themselves, they got it trouble for lying about it.

[GKeeper316]

So what was the difference. Aside from the prep that the media did in Bush's last term.
They found a racebaiting black man with a nice smile and a hell of a personality. The next thing you know members of the media are creaming their drawers and the rest is history.

still a far superior candidate than a guy who was one weezing heart attack away from putting sarah palin in the oval office.

[GKeeper316]

I seriously, seriously doubt that. And there is nothing un-Christian about making gobs and gobs of money. It is what you do with it and how you live your life through good works is what makes the difference, not the amount of money.

what new age bull**** brand of christianity do you practice?

read the bible and then come tell me christ advocated capitalism and free-market economics.

if christ was alive today all you right wingers would consider him a socialist/communist.

[delhalew]

still a far superior candidate than a guy who was one weezing heart attack away from putting sarah palin in the oval office.

I'd rather have you in the white house than our than this "man" posing as a president.

[Skysooner]

So what was the difference. Aside from the prep that the media did in Bush's last term.
They found a racebaiting black man with a nice smile and a hell of a personality. The next thing you know members of the media are creaming their drawers and the rest is history.

Actually what sold me on Barack was his religious attitude. He is United Church of Christ which was where we went for years. It is a progressive religion that most conservative Christians find reprehensible. It told me quite a bit about his intellect and makeup. I could care less what the media said or did. The media can influence, but it cannot elect. It is the man himself talking to people. Barack is the first black man elected to President. Ten years ago this would have been in insurmountable obstacle. I was happy to see that the majority of the nation could put aside blinders of race and elect on his agenda. I'm still on the fence about all of that, but I'm more happy that we are starting to address problems that needed fixing. If they can do something about Medicare and Social Security, they need to do that as soon as possible too.

[TUSooner]

Anybody trying to pigeon-hole Jesus as a politician is headed for trouble. He was far above and beyond mere politics.

[C&CDean]

what new age bull**** brand of christianity do you practice?

read the bible and then come tell me christ advocated capitalism and free-market economics.

if christ was alive today all you right wingers would consider him a socialist/communist.

For a well educated person you sure have a dimwitted view of things.

Didn't you say you were a "non-believer?" If so, Christ was a fairy tale, right? And if he were alive today, he would not be considered a commie. He taught his followers to share what they have with the less fortunate. He didn't say "give your earnings to the government and then let the government figure out who gets what." For every dollar I give to Uncle Obama, I wonder how much actually goes to charitable causes? I'd have to say less than a penny. The lion's share goes to fund bigger government, highways, the arts, etc.

When I write a check to The Salvation Army, I know who's getting it and who is receiving benefits from it. When I write a check to Obama, it's good money going down a black ugly hole.

[yermom]

And Jesus answering said to them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

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[TopDawg]

Actually I dont think they got in trouble for keeping money back for themselves, they got it trouble for lying about it.

Good point. I can see where you'd get that. Personally, I think they were saying that by keeping it, he (Ananias) was lying to God. His action of donating only a portion of his earnings while saying "This is what I have to give to God" made him a liar. Like this section says at the end: he didn't lie to men, but to God. That makes me think it was more about holding it back than about lying about holding it back. But it's a tricky one and I ain't no biblical scholar.


1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.

3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

[C&CDean]

And Jesus answering said to them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

Well I know Julius, and Obama ain't no Caesar...

[yermom]

the way i always heard that applied was that Christians should respect the government and obey laws, pay taxes, etc... in addition to their duties to God

[TopDawg]

I have a good friend who is a staunch Republican and we've had this communism discussion before. The point that he couldn't seem to get past is that communism CAN exist without a government to make it exist. I mention it because some of you seem to be operating under the same assumption.

A lot of you throw around the idea of "pure" or "true" conservativism and it seems to me as though "pure" or "true" communism would exist without a government. As wiki says (emphasis added):


In the schema of historical materialism, communism is the idea of a free society with no division or alienation, where mankind is free from oppression and scarcity. A communist society would have no governments, countries, or class divisions. In Marxist theory, the dictatorship of the proletariat is the intermediate system between capitalism and communism, when the government is in the process of changing the means of ownership from privatism, to collective ownership.[5] In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof.

I think most people confuse communism with Marxism or Leninism.

At any rate, I have no question that Jesus' would be labeled a communist today. Maybe some of you wouldn't call him a communist, but it would be all over FoxNews. Whether or not he actually is could be debatable, but I know it'd be used against him.

He would DEFINITELY be considered a hippie.

[delhalew]

That's prolly because communism would not be tolerated, but at the end of a government rifle.

[TopDawg]

That's prolly because communism would not be tolerated, but at the end of a government rifle.

Depends on the society.

In America, damn straight it wouldn't. In the early church...that's different.

[TUSooner]

And Jesus answering said to them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

Well I know Julius, and Obama ain't no Caesar...

I was going to refer to that quote. I think both parts together merely show that Jesus considered political **** to be trivial.

[GKeeper316]

Didn't you say you were a "non-believer?" If so, Christ was a fairy tale, right? And if he were alive today, he would not be considered a commie.

i never said i believed in christ or followed any religious practice.

most of the posters on this board, however, do.

i was just trying to find out how you all reconcile your (sinful) greed with your christian charity.

and anyone that doesnt think christ would be labled a socialist/communist in today's society needs to go back and reread the new testament...

[ndpruitt03]

i never said i believed in christ or followed any religious practice.

most of the posters on this board, however, do.

i was just trying to find out how you all reconcile your (sinful) greed with your christian charity.

and anyone that doesnt think christ would be labled a socialist/communist in today's society needs to go back and reread the new testament...

Socialist/communist of today want more government control of everything. That's what Europe has turned into. That's what America is trying to turn into. There's a reason Jesus tried to preach to people outside of the cities and in small town areas. Because if he tried to preach the things he preached in big cities where governments were they would try and kill him before he got his word out.

[GKeeper316]

Socialist/communist of today want more government control of everything. That's what Europe has turned into. That's what America is trying to turn into. There's a reason Jesus tried to preach to people outside of the cities and in small town areas. Because if he tried to preach the things he preached in big cities where governments were they would try and kill him before he got his word out.

first... that isnt necessarily true.

second... the reason jesus preached in the small towns and villages was because thats where all the people were. it wasnt like today's society where the majority of the people lived in big cities. there were no corporate farms putting individual land-owners out of work. most people lived simple lives raising crops or livestock.

[ndpruitt03]

first... that isnt necessarily true.

second... the reason jesus preached in the small towns and villages was because thats where all the people were. it wasnt like today's society where the majority of the people lived in big cities. there were no corporate farms putting individual land-owners out of work. most people lived simple lives raising crops or livestock.


That may be part true but he was staying away from where government was because much of what he said was against government and were insults to government. Even though he said give to ceaser what is ceasers, many of the other things he said like turn the other cheek were insults to those in authority.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Not to mention the time he said, "Herod is a total ******nozzle. And those dudes down changing money in the temple? F*cktards, every damned one of 'em."

[Tulsa_Fireman]

And Jesus said, "So sayeth the Me. F*ckin' A."

[GKeeper316]

Not to mention the time he said, "Herod is a total ******nozzle. And those dudes down changing money in the temple? F*cktards, every damned one of 'em."

there. now it looks more official.

[Leroy Lizard]

It's not okay for Bush to say something off-hand because he was evil and represented the right that makes him Hitler. But it's perfectly fine with Obama because he is evil also but he represents the left. Evil people of the left have never committed genocide(except for Mao, Che, Stalin)

Add Hitler to that list too.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Yuo guys are giving me a headache. Left isn't evil. Right isn't evil. Reducing the conversation to that just makes everyone sound like an as*hole.

There are plenty of evil people on both sides, but being on a particular side is not the determinator of whether they are indeed evil or not.

And as for Bush/Obama, who cares? Any time either of them say something stupid it doesn't matter to me what exact spot on the red-blue spectrum they fall on: stupid is stupid.

[Leroy Lizard]

At any rate, I have no question that Jesus' would be labeled a communist today.

Ministers today preach all the time about sharing, and they're not called communist. Jesus would be no different. I haven't heard any sentiment expressed by Jesus that wasn't expressed by my minister.

To me, the problem isn't being asked to share. It's the notion that somehow I am responsible for the other person's problems and that I need to cleanse my consciousness by giving away all that I worked for.

One more problem: The government taketh from me, and doeneth appreciate it.

[Harry Beanbag]

Actually what sold me on Barack was his religious attitude. He is United Church of Christ which was where we went for years. It is a progressive religion that most conservative Christians find reprehensible. It told me quite a bit about his intellect and makeup.


Are you some kind of supremely retarded troll or something? The Reverend Jeremiah Wright's teachings "sold" you on Barack Obama? Holy **** that's funny. And pathetically sad, but hilarious at the same time. :D

[ndpruitt03]

If at some point people have made enough money, why don't we just turn that around and say at some point government has taken enough of our money and cut them off. See how they like it.

[Skysooner]

Are you some kind of supremely retarded troll or something? The Reverend Jeremiah Wright's teachings "sold" you on Barack Obama? Holy **** that's funny. And pathetically sad, but hilarious at the same time. :D

Umm yeah right. I used to attend a UCC church in Oklahoma City. I could give a s*** about Reverend Wright's teachings. I'm talking about the denomination which I find represents my views about religion. Maybe we should look at your church and see what your preacher teaches. Get off your high horse.

Also welcome to ignore. I have tried to debate you. All you do are make attacks and accusations which I have refuted. You add nothing to anything I discuss, so I'm not listening anymore.

[Curly Bill]

OMG Harry! You're on ignore. :eek:

...and BTW: that was supremely ghey the way SKY did that.

[delhalew]

Umm yeah right. I used to attend a UCC church in Oklahoma City. I could give a s*** about Reverend Wright's teachings. I'm talking about the denomination which I find represents my views about religion. Maybe we should look at your church and see what your preacher teaches. Get off your high horse.

Also welcome to ignore. I have tried to debate you. All you do are make attacks and accusations which I have refuted. You add nothing to anything I discuss, so I'm not listening anymore.

To be fair when you made that statement, I prolly would have said something that pissed you off if it hadn't rendered me speechless.

[Skysooner]

To be fare when you made that statement, I prolly would have said something that pissed you off if it hadn't rendered me speechless.

Pissing me off is fine. You debate, and I respect that. Several of these guys make a snide comment, depart, and never answer what you say with anything approaching reasonable discussion.

To equate UCC with the ravings of one pastor is bad enough, but he crossed the line with the comment after. What I was saying about Obama is that I know the types of people that attend UCC churches. I relate to them and believe they can bring an open-mindedness to problems that has been sorely lacking.

[Stitch Face]

Pissing me off is fine. You debate, and I respect that. Several of these guys make a snide comment, depart, and never answer what you say with anything approaching reasonable discussion.

To equate UCC with the ravings of one pastor is bad enough, but he crossed the line with the comment after. What I was saying about Obama is that I know the types of people that attend UCC churches. I relate to them and believe they can bring an open-mindedness to problems that has been sorely lacking.

So far, Obama hasn't thrilled me with his open-mindedness. He alone decides which arguments are "legitimate" (hint: his); every other idea is "misleading," a "false choice." He's good at pretending to be even-handed while scoffing at everyone else for being an idiot.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I think it also matters HOW you make it. Theft, I believe, is frowned upon by most major denominations.
I have no problem with investment bankers EARNING bazillions. And it's certainly very troublesome when the Government starts deciding how much is enough.
That being said, it's kinda hard to figure how some of these Ds & Os "earned" any bonuses if their banks got bailed out with public money. Unless they are being rewarded for the achievement of getting their hand in the till. (If only those illegal Guatemalan hotel maids were so clever! We might give them honorary citizenship.)

I should've added the caveat regarding fraud and illicit gains. I was refering to people honestly making it and through their hard works earning it.

[swardboy]

Actually what sold me on Barack was his religious attitude. He is United Church of Christ which was where we went for years. It is a progressive religion that most conservative Christians find reprehensible. It told me quite a bit about his intellect and makeup. I could care less what the media said or did. The media can influence, but it cannot elect. It is the man himself talking to people. Barack is the first black man elected to President. Ten years ago this would have been in insurmountable obstacle. I was happy to see that the majority of the nation could put aside blinders of race and elect on his agenda. I'm still on the fence about all of that, but I'm more happy that we are starting to address problems that needed fixing. If they can do something about Medicare and Social Security, they need to do that as soon as possible too.

The United Church of Christ preaches a radical racist theology which espouses communism...Obama was an idiot for going there, and ESPECIALLY for acting like he didn't know what Rev. Wrong was espousing after 20 years of membership.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I have a good friend who is a staunch Republican and we've had this communism discussion before. The point that he couldn't seem to get past is that communism CAN exist without a government to make it exist. I mention it because some of you seem to be operating under the same assumption.

A lot of you throw around the idea of "pure" or "true" conservativism and it seems to me as though "pure" or "true" communism would exist without a government. As wiki says (emphasis added):



I think most people confuse communism with Marxism or Leninism.

At any rate, I have no question that Jesus' would be labeled a communist today. Maybe some of you wouldn't call him a communist, but it would be all over FoxNews. Whether or not he actually is could be debatable, but I know it'd be used against him.

He would DEFINITELY be considered a hippie.

I would suppose some of the communes in the West (CA and OR) probably meet that communist criteria. The difference, the people are there by their own free will and continue to stay there happy in their beliefs and happenstance. I am fine with that. Not the gov't version of communist totalitarianism that we see historically.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

The United Church of Christ preaches a radical racist theology which espouses communism...Obama was an idiot for going there, and ESPECIALLY for acting like he didn't know what Rev. Wrong was espousing after 20 years of membership.

I am not exactly comfortable with the preaching on the UCC. I would not be a member there and I am getting uncomfortable with my home church the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. They are getting too lefty for me, though I am not a Missouri Synod person yet.

[delhalew]

So far, Obama hasn't thrilled me with his open-mindedness. He alone decides which arguments are "legitimate" (hint: his); every other idea is "misleading," a "false choice." He's good at pretending to be even-handed while scoffing at everyone else for being an idiot.

Right. That's why I was dumbstruck. While probably not typical of UCC. Barry has always chosen spiritual leaders who preach hate via a twisted version of black liberation theology. Far from open minded, from his youth Obama has been steeped in radicalism, ESPECIALLY at church. See: Seattle's Anarchy Alley and The Little Red Church.

[swardboy]

Jesus and Paul both lived under caesars...never did they espouse the overthrow of that essentially totalitarian regime ("senate" be damned), but advocated "honor the emperor". Personal use of riches was their target. And Jesus' parable of the workers who came early in the day, at mid-day, and late in the day...ALL receiving the same wage, just speaks that they were lucky there was a wealthy guy who could pay them AT ALL .

[Skysooner]

The United Church of Christ preaches a radical racist theology which espouses communism...Obama was an idiot for going there, and ESPECIALLY for acting like he didn't know what Rev. Wrong was espousing after 20 years of membership.

I was a member of UCC for over 5 years. We espoused an inclusionist policy and not a radical racist theology. Maybe we are talking that Chicago church. Barack has not followed racist policies. First he had to clean up the mess left by the Bush Administration. To me, he hasn't gone far enough. He is still beholden to certain special interests. If he hasn't fulfilled my expectations come the next election time, I'll be looking at the options.

[swardboy]

"Liberation Theology" is what it is.
An no, I don't believe we've seen the REAL Obama yet.
Why do UCC people even bother being "christians". Is there a miracle in the Bible they accept as historical?

[Skysooner]

"Liberation Theology" is what it is.
An no, I don't believe we've seen the REAL Obama yet.
Why do UCC people even bother being "christians". Is there a miracle in the Bible they accept as historical?

Sure, they bother being Christians, but they adhere to the teachings of Jesus rather than the mythology that has grown up around him. I'm talking Sermon of the Mount kind of things. They don't hate homosexuals, other races, etc. They believe in treating others as equals (although Rev. Wright was definitely on the wrong track). They also believe there are many ways to reach God. They aren't so legalistic which is what drew me to them in the first place. They don't judge and they are tolerant. WWJD? Certainly not what some of our supposed Christians espouse today. They are critical thinkers and for the most part very intelligent and highly educated. I consider myself an agnostic/atheist now simply because I can't accept any religion. Still I spent the best years of my religous self at UCC. Check out Robin Meyers at Mayflower Congregational in Oklahoma City.

[TopDawg]

Ministers today preach all the time about sharing, and they're not called communist. Jesus would be no different. I haven't heard any sentiment expressed by Jesus that wasn't expressed by my minister.

To me, the problem isn't being asked to share. It's the notion that somehow I am responsible for the other person's problems and that I need to cleanse my consciousness by giving away all that I worked for.

Has your minister spoken about the rich young ruler?


18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'[b]"

21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.

22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

It seems like Jesus basically said "You are responsible for other people's problems and you need to give away all that you've worked for...then come, follow me." You may view it as cleansing your conscience, but it seems like Jesus views it as cleansing your soul and a necessary step to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[TopDawg]

I think a lot of ministers today...and I'm sure for years and years...water down Jesus' message to make it more appealing and less controversial. It keeps them from being labeled a communist and probably brings more people into the church, but lets people boil down Jesus' message to "share with others." What good is bringing more people into the church if they're not hearing Jesus' message?

"Many whom God has, the Church does not have; and many whom the Church has, God does not have." - Augustine

This sounds more confrontational than I mean for it to, since I started by responding to Leroy's post. There are definitely many ways to interpret scripture, I just think that too many people have watered-down their interpretations. And I know that even if I've somehow figured out the right interpretations (no, especially if I've somehow figured out the right interpretations) my actions are not coming anywhere close to what they should be.

[Leroy Lizard]

Has your minister spoken about the rich young ruler?

Explain.


It seems like Jesus basically said "You are responsible for other people's problems and you need to give away all that you've worked for...then come, follow me." You may view it as cleansing your conscience, but it seems like Jesus views it as cleansing your soul and a necessary step to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Yes, but he is speaking to one individual. Living in abject poverty is not required to enter Heaven, otherwise it would be one of the ten commandments.

The love of money is a sin. Money is not.

We fixate too much on Jesus' discussions with individuals and try to turn them into commandments. Jesus is not like the Supreme Court in this sense. The path to heaven is clear: Accept Jesus as your saviour, repent for your sins, and do as he commands. When you accept him into your life, you will know what you have to do. You may be asked to give up all your worldly possessions. You may be asked to eat tofu for all we know.

At least, that is how I interpret Christianity in born-again-speak.

[Leroy Lizard]

Umm yeah right. I used to attend a UCC church in Oklahoma City. I could give a s*** about Reverend Wright's teachings.

Actually, you should care. If Reagan went to a church that espoused wacko ideas, you would have been all over him. And you know it.

But since it's Obama... well, those things don't really matter.

[TopDawg]

Yes, but he is speaking to one individual. Living in abject poverty is not required to enter Heaven, otherwise it would be one of the ten commandments.

Accepting Jesus as your saviour, repenting for your sins and doing as he commands aren't part of the Ten Commandments, so I don't think it's safe to say "If it's not in the Ten Commandments, it's not required to enter heaven."


The love of money is a sin. Money is not.

But if you're keeping money for yourself when your neighbor needs it, which do you love more?

Perhaps we do fixate too much on Jesus' discussions with individuals. Or, perhaps we too easily dismiss Jesus' discussions with individuals because if we accepted them, they'd force us out of our comfort zone. It would be hard to boil down all of Jesus' teachings into one or two commandments, but thankfully we don't have to. He did it for us.


34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

"Love the Lord your God with all of your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." That one's first and greatest and it's the only one that the Pharisees asked for. But Jesus went ahead and added a second one. "Love your neighbor as yourself." The fact that he added it without being asked seems to me to make it a very important commandment.

I've heard a lot of discussions about that verse and the "challenging" question a lot of people ask about it is "Who is your neighbor?" the idea being that we need to more broadly define our neighbor as more than just the person next door. But to me the word that needs to be better defined is "love." Jesus is telling me to love my neighbor as myself. Am I doing that if I upgrade my TV instead of helping to feed a starving child?


The path to heaven is clear: Accept Jesus as your saviour, repent for your sins, and do as he commands. When you accept him into your life, you will know what you have to do.

I don't think I disagree with any of that. I think what I'd suggest is that too often the church or Christianity or society or our own desire for comfort or entertainment impede our ability to hear what he commands.

[Skysooner]

Actually, you should care. If Reagan went to a church that espoused wacko ideas, you would have been all over him. And you know it.

But since it's Obama... well, those things don't really matter.

Have you even read any of my politics? I pretty much voted straight Republican from the 2nd Reagan election on (that was when I could vote). I sometimes would vote D in local politics if I didn't like the R candidate. Pretty much all ministers express wacko ideas at times. I know I have been in many varieties of churches (Baptist, Methodist, non-denominational and finally UCC). There have been many things I disagreed with through time. I didn't go to the church for the minister. I went to express my ideas and to hear others express theirs to help me make sense of things I was struggling with.

What changed my politics was the increasingly partisan litmus test applied by parts of the Republican party. The candidates they were putting up did not represent what I believed in. I liked McCain. What I didn't like was Palin. Now I evaluate candidate by candidate.

I didn't just accept Obama because of the MSM or what people were saying about him. I read both of his main books and did the best research I could on him on the internet to figure out what he believed in. Mainly I voted for him because the way he expressed himself in his books spoke to the way I have come to see the world. If at the end of 4 years, he has not lived up to what I think he should have done, I'll evaluate all the candidates.

[SouthFortySooner]

He would DEFINITELY be considered a hippie.

Why? Because some queer painted him with long hair? In his Word he says, "it is a shame for a man to have long hair". So, now is he a hippie or a hypocrite?

[TopDawg]

First of all, I don't think Jesus ever says anything about long hair. But maybe he does...I just can't think of where it is.

But as far as the hippie thing goes, I'm thinking of passages like this:


25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]?

28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

[GKeeper316]

Why? Because some queer painted him with long hair? In his Word he says, "it is a shame for a man to have long hair". So, now is he a hippie or a hypocrite?

dont get me started on the idiocy of white jesus

[Leroy Lizard]

Have you even read any of my politics? I pretty much voted straight Republican from the 2nd Reagan election on (that was when I could vote). I sometimes would vote D in local politics if I didn't like the R candidate. Pretty much all ministers express wacko ideas at times. I know I have been in many varieties of churches (Baptist, Methodist, non-denominational and finally UCC). There have been many things I disagreed with through time. I didn't go to the church for the minister. I went to express my ideas and to hear others express theirs to help me make sense of things I was struggling with.

What changed my politics was the increasingly partisan litmus test applied by parts of the Republican party. The candidates they were putting up did not represent what I believed in. I liked McCain. What I didn't like was Palin. Now I evaluate candidate by candidate.

I didn't just accept Obama because of the MSM or what people were saying about him. I read both of his main books and did the best research I could on him on the internet to figure out what he believed in. Mainly I voted for him because the way he expressed himself in his books spoke to the way I have come to see the world. If at the end of 4 years, he has not lived up to what I think he should have done, I'll evaluate all the candidates.

http://kingsbridesforum.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/wolf20-20sheep2.jpg

[Skysooner]

So somehow I was a Republican for 22 years, voted that way all these years and am a wolf in sheep's clothing? Don't drink any more of that Kool-aid or you will lose the rest of the marbles you may still have. At least it makes me know I have made the right decision on leaving the party.

[GKeeper316]

First of all, I don't think Jesus ever says anything about long hair. But maybe he does...I just can't think of where it is.



i cant think of a verse off the top of my head, either, but i do know that archeologists are sure that the jews of jesus' time were totally obsessed with cleanliness. the multitude and popularity of public baths is proof of this, and that long hair on men was considered unclean. so tho we have no real record of what christ looked like, we can put the cultural evidence together and get a fairly accurate composite.

fyi... he looked more like a terrorist than a hippy.

[SouthFortySooner]

The quote is the verse peofle.

[Leroy Lizard]

So somehow I was a Republican for 22 years, voted that way all these years and am a wolf in sheep's clothing? Don't drink any more of that Kool-aid or you will lose the rest of the marbles you may still have. At least it makes me know I have made the right decision on leaving the party.

We've heard this song before. "I used to be a Republican. But then I saw the light. The light. The light."

"Hey guys, I'm a Sooner fan just like the rest of you. But what do you think of us playing for the national title instead of Texas, who beat us head to head? Gee, I'm a Sooner fan and even I think they got jobbed. What do you think of our chances of winning the RRS this year? Do you think we'll get away with holding on the offensive line like we always do? I think Stoops is pretty smart for teaching our players to hold like that and not get caught. At any rate, I just wanted to say hi to my fellow Sooner fans and hope that we get lucky this year and hope the best team doesn't win. Go Sooners! Oh, just remember I'm a Sooner fan."

[Crucifax Autumn]

That's not something you posted?

[SouthFortySooner]

We've heard this song before. "I used to be a Republican. But then I saw the light. The light. The light."

"Hey guys, I'm a Sooner fan just like the rest of you. But what do you think of us playing for the national title instead of Texas, who beat us head to head? Gee, I'm a Sooner fan and even I think they got jobbed. What do you think of our chances of winning the RRS this year? Do you think we'll get away with holding on the offensive line like we always do? I think Stoops is pretty smart for teaching our players to hold like that and not get caught. At any rate, I just wanted to say hi to my fellow Sooner fans and hope that we get lucky this year and hope the best team doesn't win. Go Sooners! Oh, just remember I'm a Sooner fan."

Are you sayin this thang got a little off topic?

[Leroy Lizard]

That's not something you posted?


Uncle! Uncle! :D

[Leroy Lizard]

Are you sayin this thang got a little off topic?

It shifted to that which is more important.

[TopDawg]

The quote is the verse peofle.

The only verse I know of that's close to that is in 1st Corinthians and it's not Jesus saying it.

[SouthFortySooner]

The only verse I know of that's close to that is in 1st Corinthians and it's not Jesus saying it.

Correct sir, however it is a direct King James Version quote. And I was keeping the I Pet. idea, the guys didn't write anything they weren't moved on to write deal.

"..it is a shame for a man to have long hair. period

[Crucifax Autumn]

Screw you guys. I've had long hair since I was 2. lol

[Leroy Lizard]

Then you're going to straight to Hell, boy!

[TopDawg]

Correct sir, however it is a direct King James Version quote. And I was keeping the I Pet. idea, the guys didn't write anything they weren't moved on to write deal.

"..it is a shame for a man to have long hair. period

Well, to the point of whether or not Jesus was a hypocrite, "long" is relative.

But that's besides the point. That's not even the reason I thought Jesus would be considered a hippie.

[Sooner24]

and i may be a tool, but im a well educated tool who actually went to college to learn how to use his brain.

you're just some ignorant high school drop-out ex-con who lacks the capacity for abstract thought and thinks anyone who thinks differently than you must be stupid.

You had to go to college to learn how to use your brain?

I bet they really screwed with you. :pop:

[olevetonahill]

I made a lot of money fixing Bill Gates' broken programs but I don't have the expertise to fix Obama's broken programs. :mad:

I've also made a lot of money in my life time
Spent Most oif it on Booze and wild Women :hot:

The rest I just wasted :mad:

[Leroy Lizard]

You had to go to college to learn how to use your brain?

I bet they really screwed with you. :pop:


Yep. Brains of mush easily manipulated into the latest liberal craze. Its the reason why we have the following education code (want to guess the state?):


No teacher giving instruction in any school, or on any property belonging to any agencies included in the public school system, shall advocate or teach communism with the intent to indoctrinate or to inculcate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism.

In prohibiting the advocacy or teaching of communism with the intent of indoctrinating or inculcating a preference in the mind of any pupil for such doctrine, the Legislature does not intend to prevent the teaching of the facts about communism. Rather, the Legislature intends to prevent the advocacy of, or inculcation and indoctrination into, communism as is hereinafter defined, for the purpose of undermining patriotism for, and the belief in, the government of the United States and of this state.

[Leroy Lizard]

I know you're all dying to know, but the answer is California.

no charge.