Big Ben suspended

[Mad Dog Madsen]

Didn't see this posted anywhere... 6 GAMES!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5121614

[starrca23]

I am glad to see that character is still important.

[Boomer.....]

That is going to really hurt Pitt. Wonder if they will let it slide or possibly consider trading him because "they don't put up with those typr of characters."

[Collier11]

I figured 6 games, when the NFL released the sched and the Steelers didnt have any natl games til after the 7th week it was kinda obvious. I think the length is very fair as well

[JLEW1818]

c11, I'm going to have to make a better draft thread. weak sauce. mine last year rocked

[Collier11]

go post in it then

[badger]

ESPN was talking moments ago how the Steelers wanna dump Big Ben for a top 10 pick. For teams that don't wanna pay too much guaranteed money to an unproven rookie, what's six weeks without your franchise QB?

[Collier11]

it could be knocked down to 4 weeks if he behaves, can you say Cleveland Browns maybe

[Harry Beanbag]

it could be knocked down to 4 weeks if he behaves, can you say Cleveland Browns maybe

No way they trade him to Cleveland.

[Mississippi Sooner]

I see that the Steelers will be playing the Saints in New Orleans on Halloween Night. If he's still with Pittsburgh then, I may have to go take a peek in The Dungeon after the game and see if he's in there getting his freak on.

[Collier11]

No way they trade him to Cleveland.

says the redskin fans about mcnabb

[Harry Beanbag]

says the redskin fans about mcnabb

I knew you'd bring that up. I have heard from a Philadelphia source that the Eagles traded McNabb to Washington to prevent them from getting Bradford, that's how highly Philly thinks of Sam.

[Collier11]

I can see that, 2-4 more yrs for McNabb compared to 10-15 for Bradford hopefully

[Harry Beanbag]

Yeah, I don't know if it's true or not but it was interesting.

[BoulderSooner79]

I knew you'd bring that up. I have heard from a Philadelphia source that the Eagles traded McNabb to Washington to prevent them from getting Bradford, that's how highly Philly thinks of Sam.

The only part of that theory I don't get is how you make someone trade with you. Now it could be just Philly optimizing for the long run while the Redskins are thinking short run. Most likely there was just a lot of issues involved.

[yermom]

soo... he wasn't convicted of anything, but now is suspended

is rape only worth 6 games?

what warrants the suspension without a guily plea/verdict? did the Steelers do a rape kit on the victim?

[Harry Beanbag]

The only part of that theory I don't get is how you make someone trade with you. Now it could be just Philly optimizing for the long run while the Redskins are thinking short run. Most likely there was just a lot of issues involved.


The Redskins wanted him. :confused:

[stoops the eternal pimp]

same stuff with pacman jones..they did suspensions on him before or without convictions

[Collier11]

a history of irresponsible and damaging behavior

[SteelClip49]

Big time Steelers fan here and I disagree with the 6 game suspension. I would have given him the full season, no guaranteed money for the year and a fine of around $2 Million. 6 games is nothing based on his demeanor and his lack of forgiveness.

[sooner94]

a history of irresponsible and damaging behavior

Yeah, there is clearly a behavior issue with this guy. The NFL wants a positive image, especially with its high profile guys. Nothing wrong with that.

Companies do the same thing. They don't want their high ranking employees out in public behaving in a way that hurts the image of their employer.

[yermom]

right, but if all it takes are allegations, look at the Duke Lacrosse guys

i hope no one gets any ideas with Romo :D

[Collier11]

this isnt just allegations Y, you know that. Ben has put himself into a position to be accused of rape twice now, both times he was apparently buying underage girls alcohol, intoxicated himself, has a security guard who was manipulating the situation, etc...

[soonerinabilene]

he f*cked a drunk chick. im sorry, but if you are going to suspend every player that f*cks a drunk chick, there would be no nfl. not to mention what he did is the same thing rock stars get praised for.

[Mad Dog Madsen]

he f*cked a drunk chick. im sorry, but if you are going to suspend every player that f*cks a drunk chick, there would be no nfl. not to mention what he did is the same thing rock stars get praised for.

Well, "supposedly" she said, "no" and that it's "not ok." So I guess that's what it's all about. IMHO I think it was consensual but she wants $$$...

[badger]

Well, "supposedly" she said, "no" and that it's "not ok." So I guess that's what it's all about. IMHO I think it was consensual but she wants $$$...

Kind of like the Kobe situation, yeah.

Big Ben's gotta be smarter and I think he realizes that. If he doesn't, nothing like losing millions to whip ya into shape, eh?

Millions? Oh, yes. He signed an 8-year $102 million contract back in 2008.

Linky (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3274467)

[sooner94]

he f*cked a drunk chick. im sorry, but if you are going to suspend every player that f*cks a drunk chick, there would be no nfl. not to mention what he did is the same thing rock stars get praised for.

But how often do all of these other athletes and rockstars get accused of what Ben has been accused of? Yeah, it happens but not that often. And now its two times for Ben (there was that Reno incident).

And if she is looking for $$$, Ben has got to be smarter when he does this. He exposing himself to trouble, literally and figuratively.

[JLEW1818]

So Big Ben gets a 6 game suspension, for not getting arrested, or getting charged. If you test positive for coke or crack in the NFL, u get a 4 game suspension. makes a lot of sense.

can Big Ben just choose to do crack tonight, pee in a cup tomorrow, and take a 4 gamer, instead of a 6? is that allowed?


lets make an example out of the WHITE Qb with 2 rings.

that's all this is.

[ashley]

Good lord almighty. What are you thinking? The face of an NFL franchise and he has never even denied the charge. The league would not have done this without lots of information about the incident. Sexual abuse of at the least. What would you have done?

[JLEW1818]

His record is just as clean as mine.

how has he not denied the charge? he said it was false, didnt he? regardless if he is not telling the truth. he said it was false.


i just don't understand how you think he should get 6 games, for doing nothing legally. But a guy who tested positive for heroine, should only get 4.

u make about as much sense as your boy in office.

[Collier11]

He never said it was false as far as I know, the police reports state that he forced her into the bathroom, had a body gaurd watch the door and not let anyone in, he flashed several girls in the bar, etc... he is also being sued civally, you make that kind of money you are held to a higher standard

[JLEW1818]

well he said this, w/ that is worth

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger told police in Milledgeville, Ga., no sexual intercourse took place between him and his accuser, a television station in Pittsburgh reported on Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

so yes he denied sexual assault.

as for showing girls his penis, idk

who the hell does not show girls their penis? :D

[sooner94]

I think it speaks volumes that the Steelers organization is looking to trade him. Helped them win 2 SB's and they are essentially giving up on him.

[JLEW1818]

what a great idea for the Steelers. Lets trade a QB with 2 rings..


oh ****, there is only 1 other qb in the league with 2 or more rings.


.....

[royalfan5]

If he would just look less rapey I think it would go a long way in helping himself out.

[Collier11]

well he said this, w/ that is worth

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger told police in Milledgeville, Ga., no sexual intercourse took place between him and his accuser, a television station in Pittsburgh reported on Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

so yes he denied sexual assault.

as for showing girls his penis, idk

who the hell does not show girls their penis? :D

and the examiner found DNA on the girl, they just couldnt tell if it was rape or not if I remember correctly?

[bluedogok]

He got 6 games for being a dip**** again.....deservedly so.

It is the NFL, there is no guarantee of "due process". Do something that makes the league look bad and the league is it's on judge, jury and executioner. Getting accused of rape twice to the point that it dominates the news is enough reason.

He needs to pull his head out...

[BoulderSooner79]

...

He needs to pull his head out...

Do you mean..

.. oh, nevermind.

[JLEW1818]

and the examiner found DNA on the girl, they just couldnt tell if it was rape or not if I remember correctly?

The medical exam after the alleged assault did not provide definitive proof of rape. However, the medical exam did reveal a “cut, bruises and vaginal bleeding,” reports ESPN. Some DNA evidence was seen, but the quantity of it was insufficient to determine who it belonged to.

so maybe they had sex, then the girl thought i could get some money? lets call rape on it.

see Kobe Bryant.

LIES


yah i'm sure both girls in both cases were held and tied down and ****ed by big ben and kobe, rape!!!!

come on man

[JLEW1818]

He got 6 games for being a dip**** again.....deservedly so.

It is the NFL, there is no guarantee of "due process". Do something that makes the league look bad and the league is it's on judge, jury and executioner. Getting accused of rape twice to the point that it dominates the news is enough reason.

He needs to pull his head out...

all i want u to say is this. If you do Heroin, and test positive, you should only get a 4 game suspension. If you don't get arrested, and don't get charged with rape, you should automatically get a 6 games, suspension.

is this what u are saying? I just want to get this correct.

[Collier11]

Doing heroin is hurting yourself, possibly raping a girl (lets be real here, there is still a chance that he actually did do it) is affecting more than yourself. Doing it twice is bad, horrible behavior...why you think Clinton got impeached for getting dome, not cus he did something horrible, it was cus of his job title and the noteriety that comes with it

[JLEW1818]

Most Powerful man in the world, the United States Leader, sworn into office. promising not to lie to America basically. He lies to our face.


now we are talking about a game. a ****ing game. a game.

when has Ben ever admitted to any of this? when has he been proven guilty?

why does the NFL get into his personal life, when he has no charges and no arrests? i just don't understand. never will.


i mean, is the NFL system a better judicial system than the cops? maybe Roger should take over the FBI. What dbag commissioner.



so basically under law, Ben is getting suspended b/c a girl lied about being sexually assaulted. that is basically what it says under law.

[Collier11]

Because he is making a bajillion dollars a year, when you make that much money the company owns you. You have a responsibility to act as a mature adult and not have your face plastered all over the news for banging skanks in a bar bathroom, possibly raping them

You do realize that if you are driving down the interstate getting dome from your girl and get in a wreck and get a DUI, if your company were to find out they could fire you for that

[JLEW1818]

since when does the NFL pay Ben money?

[Collier11]

He is a member of the NFL

[JLEW1818]

I understand that the NFL has rules, that can not be broken. even if not illegal .

Can you please explain to me what he violated?

He was "maybe" having relations with a girl in the bathroom in a bar. and "maybe" raping her.... maybe

6 games???? seriously ???


and then, this same **** comish says "lets not put the Steelers, the most watched team in NFL history on national tv the first 6 weeks"

what a dbag **** loving ***** bitch


Roger is now on my Lebron, Obama, Mack Brown list

[Collier11]

In every NFL or professional athletes contract there is a personal conduct policy, go read Goodells statement on the matter, he explains it quite clearly

[JLEW1818]

maybe this is why nobody thinks much of him??

his conduct procedures do as much as Obama and his Health care does for America. Absolutely nothing. Things have been worse under him.

6 games for "violating" rules in bar

yet Adrian Peterson can do test postive for crack tomorrow, and only get 4 games.

ZERO SENSE

he's a qb on a good team so he is on a higher ground? where the **** is that rule written.?


DAMN YOU TOM BRADY!!!! YOU HAD A KID AND U WERE NOT MARRIED TO THE MOM. 4 GAMES!!!!!!!!

[Collier11]

what do you mean no one thinks much of him, Goodell is highly popular for cleaning up the game and bringing in the $$$$

Why you think Rooney said he would punish him if the league didnt and now they are looking to trade him, this is a big deal my man.

[Collier11]

"The Personal Conduct Policy makes clear that I may impose discipline 'even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime' as, for example, where the conduct 'imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person,'" Goodell stated in his letter to Roethlisberger.

"As the District Attorney concluded, the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing [or facilitating the purchase of] alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated. There is no question that the excessive consumption of alcohol that evening put the students and yourself at risk. The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."

More excerpts from Goodell's letter to the Steelers quarterback:

• "I recognize that the allegations in Georgia were disputed and that they did not result in criminal charges being filed against you. My decision today is not based on a finding that you violated Georgia law, or on a conclusion that differs from that of the local prosecutor. That said, you are held to a higher standard as an NFL player, and there is nothing about your conduct in Milledgeville that can remotely be described as admirable, responsible, or consistent with either the values of the league or the expectations of our fans."

• "Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare."

• "I believe it is essential that you take full advantage of the resources available to you. My ultimate disposition in this matter will be influenced by the extent to which you do so, what you learn as a result, and a demonstrated commitment to making positive change in your life."

• "In your six years in the NFL, you have first thrilled and now disappointed a great many people. I urge you to take full advantage of this opportunity to get your life and career back on track."

[JLEW1818]

I never thought it was that dirty.

all leagues are going to have drugs, sex, and gun problems every season.

so its okay for him to suspend ben for 6 games, as long as there is not a prime time game on those first 6 games... lol

[Curly Bill]

I think Goodell is largely a tyrant.

Not a fan.

[Collier11]

you dont think they adjusted the schedule knowing that, cmon now.

[Collier11]

I think Goodell is largely a tyrant.

Not a fan.

oh yea, Curly has chimed in :D


If you want a tyrant look no further than Stern, Goodell is far from it

[JLEW1818]

yah his conduct which under law was 100% legal.


I guess the dbag comish is above law
??? i mean don't get me wrong, our govt is an absolute joke. maybe we are better off with Roger, than socialist obama?


Higher standard my ***.


This was a race issue. they needed to bust a white player for something. And ben happened to have a "non-legal bad past"

[Curly Bill]

oh yea, Curly has chimed in :D


If you want a tyrant look no further than Stern, Goodell is far from it

Oh, I think Stern is pretty much a jackass too. :D

[Curly Bill]

NFL sucks -- they fine players if their socks don't fit right and sh*t -- how ghey is that?

[JLEW1818]

Stern lost sooooooo much money last year, when Lebron and the cavs got their *** kicked my the magic

[JLEW1818]

wait timeout. Is Ben getting fined for any of this? how can you be suspended for 6 games, but not fined?

[Collier11]

he is losing $3 mil in salary by being suspended

[bluedogok]

I understand that the NFL has rules, that can not be broken. even if not illegal .

Can you please explain to me what he violated?
The NFL Personal Conduct Policy...if you play in the league, you pretty much agree to it. If you choose not to abide by it, you don't get to play in the league. In the private sector you are subject to the same type of policy, if you do certain things whether charged by officials or not you can be fired, especially if it reflects poorly on your employer.

Just because you are a Steelers fan it shouldn't cloud your judgment on the fact that he should have some sort of punishment. Evidently his head is harder than most after the motorcycle wreck, the Reno incident and now this. He doesn't seem to learn, just seems to be a bonehead.


all i want u to say is this. If you do Heroin, and test positive, you should only get a 4 game suspension. If you don't get arrested, and don't get charged with rape, you should automatically get a 6 games, suspension.

is this what u are saying? I just want to get this correct.
As far as I am concerned if you get caught doing heroin then you should be booted for a season, maybe even for life....period.


yah his conduct which under law was 100% legal.
Not really, just because there was "insufficient evidence to charge" does not mean a crime did not take place nor that he is innocent. He was not cleared in a court of law of anything and the DA could fie charges at anytime. There may have been sufficient evidence to charge him with something but the DA felt there was not enough conclusive evidence to guarantee a conviction. Most DA's will not take on a high profile case unless they have a level of certainty of a conviction unless there is public or political pressure or political aspirations on the part of the DA.

The real scrutiny will come if the civil case goes to trial but he will probably pay her off to keep her quiet.



I guess the dbag comish is above law
??? i mean don't get me wrong, our govt is an absolute joke. maybe we are better off with Roger, than socialist obama?


Higher standard my ***.


This was a race issue. they needed to bust a white player for something. And ben happened to have a "non-legal bad past"
Private corporations have policy and procedure that goes beyond the law, it is well within their right the have those. If you don't want to submit to the rules, then don't go to work for the company, the NFL is no different.

He needs to keep it zipped up, he is just a dumbass for getting himself in those situations. There is no reason why he needs to get in those situations and expose himself to further legal and NFL issues. A guy like him should have no trouble finding willing females.

[JLEW1818]

going to bed, finish tomorrow.

in the end. personally Ben did this to himself putting himself in those situations, which he was proven Innocent.

getting suspended is another story. don't go to bars, nothing to worry about .

IN the end i don't care. I just don't want 1 single man have 100% power to suspend somebody.

[JLEW1818]

and trust me I'm not a Steelers fan. I'm just a realist .

[Collier11]

he wasnt proven innocent

[Curly Bill]

I hate the Steelers mightily, but I think a 6 game suspension is ridiculous.

[Curly Bill]

he wasnt found innocent

Exactly, he wasn't even put on trial -- even better!

[Collier11]

I thought 4-6 was appropriate

[JLEW1818]

he wasn't found guilty.

why is the girl not pressing criminal chargers if she was raped? payed off? not enough evidence? too much lies?

[Collier11]

Exactly, he wasn't even put on trial -- even better!

you remember the whole deal with Chaisson before he came to OU, he was never found guilty but we all know what happened

[Curly Bill]

you remember the whole deal with Chaisson before he came to OU, he was never found guilty but we all know what happened

Not really, I wasn't there.

[Collier11]

he wasn't found guilty.

why is the girl not pressing criminal chargers if she was raped? payed off? not enough evidence? too much lies?

Im not saying she isnt a money grubber but it isnt fair of you to assume she is lying automatically, there is a certain stigma associated with coming forward after being raped, why do you think most women who are raped dont come forward. There is more to it than meets the eye in most cases

[Collier11]

Not really, I wasn't there.

well if you are going to take that stance then you dont know what really happened in the Ben case either, Goodell has access to witnesses, reports, etc... that we will never see or talk to. ON top of it, this is Bens 3rd issue already if you count the motorcycle incident

[JLEW1818]

6 games for doing nothing wrong legally. yet u can do herion and get only 4 games. just thing that over once again with the system that yall agree with.

then when we suspend this superstar we won't play their games on prime time, until he comes back, so we can make money of it.

Roger is just as wrong as ben.

Ben has done nothing legally, neither has Roger.

all i got

[Curly Bill]

well if you are going to take that stance then you dont know what really happened in the Ben case either, Goodell has access to witnesses, reports, etc... that we will never see or talk to. ON top of it, this is Bens 3rd issue already if you count the motorcycle incident

Oh, I never said Ben wasn't a doosh. :D

[Curly Bill]

I'm sure Goodell was under considerable pressure to throw the book at a big-time white player...

...and he did.

[Collier11]

6 games for doing nothing wrong legally. yet u can do herion and get only 4 games. just thing that over once again with the system that yall agree with.

then when we suspend this superstar we won't play their games on prime time, until he comes back, so we can make money of it.

Roger is just as wrong as ben.

Ben has done nothing legally, neither has Roger.

all i got




Oh, I never said Ben wasn't a doosh. :D

personal conduct policy, you keep missing that point boys

[Collier11]

I'm sure Goodell was under considerable pressure to throw the book at a big-time white player...

...and he did.

im sure that was an issue after Vick, Stallworth, Plaxico, etc... all got a full yr or more

[Curly Bill]

personal conduct policy, you keep missing that point boys

I haven't missed it, I just don't give a rip about it. :P

[Collier11]

Look at it this way, if you take a job and your boss says "you cannot drink at all while working for this company" and you agree to it and then he finds out you were drunk at the gay bar one saturday night, Curly just lost his job :D

[bluedogok]

I haven't missed it, I just don't give a rip about it. :P
It doesn't really matter what we think about it....

[Curly Bill]

Look at it this way, if you take a job and your boss says "you cannot drink at all while working for this company" and you agree to it and then he finds out you were drunk at the gay bar one saturday night, Curly just lost his job :D

Curly will drink if he wants to on his free time, though it will assuredly not be at a gay bar.

NTTAWWT :D

[Curly Bill]

It doesn't really matter what we think about it....

Are you sure?

Because I think the NFL would really like to know what my thoughts are on this, that's really the only reason I'm on here posting. I figure Goodell will be on here later checking things out.

[Collier11]

Goodell is actually Vets son

[Curly Bill]

Goodell is actually Vets son

Well that explains it!

Goodell has drank too much of the OVJ. :D

[Collier11]

we need to make a 2010 football season bet Curly

If our D gives up less than 16ppg you have to put a avatar that says "curly loves BV" if they give up more than that, ill put up one that says "Curly knows more about defense than the US Military :D

[Curly Bill]

we need to make a 2010 football season bet Curly

If our D gives up less than 16ppg you have to put a avatar that says "curly loves BV" if they give up more than that, ill put up one that says "Curly knows more about defense than the US Military :D

By your very crafting of this proposal you are insinuating that if our defense is good that BV is largely responsible for that. I would argue that if our defense is good it will be to a considerable degree in spite of BV. :D

[Collier11]

you would say that, so I guess then that when the D struggles it isnt BVs fault either, cool

[Curly Bill]

you would say that, so I guess then that when the D struggles it isnt BVs fault either, cool

Not all his fault, but it's all about the trends and tendencies in a BV defense: the annual meltdowns in a game or three, inability to make in-game adjustments, not being able to defend the short pass over the middle, you know the drill. ;)

[Curly Bill]

...and Oh My God! The blitz packages that were apparently designed by one of the junior high coaches there in Norman!

[Collier11]

I think he has good blitz packages, I think my complaint in that area is that he calls them at the wrong times

[Curly Bill]

I think he has a good package,

FIXED



....and on that, I'm outta here! :D

[Collier11]

boom chicka bow wow

[King Barry's Back]

So Big Ben gets a 6 game suspension, for not getting arrested, or getting charged. If you test positive for coke or crack in the NFL, u get a 4 game suspension. makes a lot of sense.

can Big Ben just choose to do crack tonight, pee in a cup tomorrow, and take a 4 gamer, instead of a 6? is that allowed?


lets make an example out of the WHITE Qb with 2 rings.

that's all this is.

jlew,

I am hoping this post is just a figment of your cynical, twisted nature; but my gut says you are 100% on the ball.

[SteelClip49]

BIG BEN got off easy. He should have been suspended the whole 2010 season and fined in the millions for his bad conduct. He is not remorseful, has not once apologized and meant it.

I am a huge Steelers fan and this sickens me. For those of you who are taking up for him are really disturbed. Whether he did it or not, he was involved in a way for this to happen. His conduct is poor and he should pay the price.

So what if he has 2 rings. The Steelers can find someone else who can get the job done. Send Roethlisberger to the Cowboys....where convicts, thugs, rapists, druggies have made their careers known.

[BudSooner]

BIG BEN got off easy. He should have been suspended the whole 2010 season and fined in the millions for his bad conduct. He is not remorseful, has not once apologized and meant it.

I am a huge Steelers fan and this sickens me. For those of you who are taking up for him are really disturbed. Whether he did it or not, he was involved in a way for this to happen. His conduct is poor and he should pay the price.

So what if he has 2 rings. The Steelers can find someone else who can get the job done. Send Roethlisberger to the Cowboys....where convicts, thugs, rapists, druggies have made their careers known.
One thing Goodell is doing that makes no sense is penalizing a team for the conduct of it's players, what are they supposed to do? Babysit him the off season?

[Collier11]

Rooney said he would discipline Ben if the commish didnt, I think most in the league believe this was fair

[btk108]

weak sauce

that's what she said.....

[BudSooner]

Rooney said he would discipline Ben if the commish didnt, I think most in the league believe this was fair
And he has the right to, I just don't believe Goodell has the right to punish the team for one players action.

[Collier11]

He isnt punishing the team directly, he is punishing the player. The player has a responsibility to his team and the league and when he messes that up, unfortunately both pay the price

[JLEW1818]

see how good i can make a thread?

[sooner94]

see how good i can make a thread?

This is a good thread. Strong opinions on both sides, some gay humor and a "that's what she said" thrown in for good measure!

(just the "that's what she said" would have been enough for me)

[Collier11]

Jlew doesnt have strong opinions, he just throws sh*t against the wall to see if it will stick :D

[BudSooner]

He isnt punishing the team directly, he is punishing the player. The player has a responsibility to his team and the league and when he messes that up, unfortunately both pay the price

Under the "Player conduct policy" of 2007 Goodell stated that both the player AND team can be fined under the new guidelines.
So far, i've not hear him mention fining the team though. It has been mentioned, but since this sort of behavior is not the norm for a team owned by the Rooney family i'm thinking Goodell gave them a pass on it this time.

[Collier11]

I think the fining the team would only happen if stuff was going on under their watch

[btk108]

Jlew doesnt have strong opinions, he just throws sh*t against the wall to see if it will stick :D

This. But he does come up with pretty good questions. Do you think he even sleeps at night?

[Collier11]

I think Jlew drinks and masturbates about 18 hours a day

[btk108]

spends the rest of the time in the porta potty?

[Collier11]

Fo Sho, wouldnt you

[btk108]

hehehe...I'm not sayin nuthin...my wife could be reading this. Hi, honey!:D