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PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 01:30 PM
Calm down, first of all. I'm just floating this out there. Do the Republicans have any good ideas to contribute to our great country or is their only plan to criticize and refute everything Obama does? Do you really you're open to the idea that he might succeed while he's here?

It seems like the Republicans are so pissed about Bush being one of our worst Presidents and the subsequent criticism, they're just tickled pink they can sit back and do nothing but complain. I want some concrete ideas they think would make things so much "better" than it is right now.

I will try to sift through the responses that only have more complaints and finger-pointing. This is more of an "Ideas" thread.

NormanPride
4/13/2010, 01:35 PM
Texans.

Calm down, first of all. I'm just floating this out there. Do the Texans have any good ideas to contribute to our great country or is their only plan to secede and complain about how Alaska would be smaller without ice? Do you really you're open to the idea that Alaska has a lot of land under that ice?

It seems like the Texans are so pissed about their football team sucking and being a one man team and the subsequent criticism, they're just tickled pink they can sit back and do nothing but complain. I want some concrete ideas they think would make Alaska so much "smaller" than it is right now.

I will try to sift through the responses that only have more complaints and size-comparison. This is more of an "Ideas" thread.

TUSooner
4/13/2010, 01:41 PM
I'm not going to try to answer that, but I will say that sometimes "no" is exactly the right thing to say.

JohnnyMack
4/13/2010, 01:42 PM
I will say it's amusing how many people act like the world has gone to **** since Obama took over. Like we were living in some beautiful utopia that was squashed once BHO took over. There was no such thing as bailouts, overreaches by the Feds or government waste until Barack was inaugurated. The tea partiers had no problem with The Patriot Act or spending a trillion dollars in Iraq.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 02:01 PM
I will say it's amusing how many people act like the world has gone to **** since Obama took over. Like we were living in some beautiful utopia that was squashed once BHO took over. There was no such thing as bailouts, overreaches by the Feds or government waste until Barack was inaugurated. The tea partiers had no problem with The Patriot Act or spending a trillion dollars in Iraq.

I know, but people see what they want to see. They think complaining is a good direction to go in.

Ike
4/13/2010, 02:22 PM
I'm not going to try to answer that, but I will say that sometimes "no" is exactly the right thing to say.

If you do the right thing, but for all the wrong reasons, do you deserve to be (re)elected?

Conversely, what about doing the wrong thing for all the right reasons?

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 02:23 PM
You lost me after your first paragraph - primarily because it's the exact same thing Tuba or RLIMC would say (and probably did say) back when you commie humpers were doing nothing but criticizing Bush. You didn't offer ideas - only criticism and hatred and vitriol. Don't expect anything back from the R's than the same thing you dished out.

And FWIW, I'm one of the few conservatives who don't/didn't hate Bush. I think he did an admirable job for the most part based on the hand he was dealt. This new guy? Not so much. Things have not gotten better. They've gotten MUCH worse. In every area except maybe Afghanistan/Iraq.

My advice/ideas? Quit shoving your Stalinesque agenda down our ****ing throats. Quit trying to take over every failing business. Use all that stimulus pork to create some REAL jobs. Most importantly, go **** up a ****ing rope.

NormanPride
4/13/2010, 02:27 PM
Well, the DOW is over 11k now. That's much better than it has been.

Dean, I normally agree with you on this stuff, but I really think you're being too hard on Obama and not hard enough on Bush. Bush was a terrible "conservative" and Obama's not the ultimate devil everyone on the right paints him out to be.

swardboy
4/13/2010, 02:30 PM
Yeah! What Dean ^ said!

And why should I want someone to succeed who is diametrically opposed to my views? His success means more government control of my life.

NormanPride
4/13/2010, 02:34 PM
This idea that the president is the driver of all things government is a recent and disturbing trend. I get the feeling that people think these things are true:

President = king
Congress = court

And that makes me sad.

GrapevineSooner
4/13/2010, 02:35 PM
I will say it's amusing how many people act like the world has gone to **** since Obama took over. Like we were living in some beautiful utopia that was squashed once BHO took over. There was no such thing as bailouts, overreaches by the Feds or government waste until Barack was inaugurated. The tea partiers had no problem with The Patriot Act or spending a trillion dollars in Iraq.

Or the Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage expansion of 2003.

Conversely, I'd like to note the silence from left since Obama renewed several provisions of the Patriot Act (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/84079-obama-signs-patriot-act-extension). As well as the lack of anti-war protests since Obama took office.

Interesting how all this depends on whose ox is being gored.

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 02:39 PM
Well, the DOW is over 11k now. That's much better than it has been.

Dean, I normally agree with you on this stuff, but I really think you're being too hard on Obama and not hard enough on Bush. Bush was a terrible "conservative" and Obama's not the ultimate devil everyone on the right paints him out to be.

Bush's primary shortfall was spending/budget crap. Everyone wants to crucify him for it. Obama has been exponentially worse in this area - and continues to do stupid **** with our money. I ain't calling Obama a devil, I'm calling him a very poor president at this point, and I don't see it getting any better. Sara Palin could do as good or better than he has up to now. At least she had some experience in a leadership role...

NormanPride
4/13/2010, 02:44 PM
Bush's primary shortfall was spending/budget crap. Everyone wants to crucify him for it. Obama has been exponentially worse in this area - and continues to do stupid **** with our money. I ain't calling Obama a devil, I'm calling him a very poor president at this point, and I don't see it getting any better. Sara Palin could do as good or better than he has up to now. At least she had some experience in a leadership role...

If you honestly think Sarah Palin could do better, then I'm disappointed. That chick has no idea what she's doing. I'd rather have Erin Andrews.

And again, just because Obama's been a worse spender (he has, but he was elected to do so) doesn't make Bush's idiocy any more tolerable. He was elected to be a steady conservative hand on the reins of a great economy. He got dealt a bad hand in his first term and lost control. Obama's been dealt a similar bad hand and has spent his time trying to push through crap with a majority in congress. They're both failures.

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 02:54 PM
OK. They're both failures. And I still maintain that Palin could do at least as well as Obama - I mean what would she have to do to be better? Breathe air? Shake her titties for the cameras? Hell man Erin Andrews probably would be a better prez than Obama. Which is exactly my point. He was NOT qualified, and never will be.

Harry Beanbag
4/13/2010, 02:58 PM
This idea that the president is the driver of all things government is a recent and disturbing trend. I get the feeling that people think these things are true:

President = king
Congress = court

And that makes me sad.


The most disturbing part about it is the politicians themselves think the same thing.

And that makes me angry.

TopDawg
4/13/2010, 02:59 PM
Sarah Palin is turning into the equivalent of the 2nd string quarterback.

NormanPride
4/13/2010, 03:13 PM
I bet she could have gotten that nuclear treaty done in half the time. Plus, her Oline likes her better. I heard it from a guy who's friends with Davin Joseph on Facebook.

GottaHavePride
4/13/2010, 03:13 PM
The most disturbing part about it is the politicians themselves think the same thing.

And that makes me angry.

Exactly. In most cases, the President just gets to sign whatever crap Congress gives him. The President's ideas don't mean anything unless Congress passes a bill about it.

There's one area I think the Brits have right. You need two separate people, one a figurehead to turn up to things, be popular, and wave, and another person to go about getting **** done.

Zaphod Beeblebrox for President!

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 03:23 PM
Orglethorpe Wolfnuts for veep!!

GKeeper316
4/13/2010, 03:37 PM
Bush's primary shortfall was spending/budget crap. Everyone wants to crucify him for it. Obama has been exponentially worse in this area - and continues to do stupid **** with our money. I ain't calling Obama a devil, I'm calling him a very poor president at this point, and I don't see it getting any better. Sara Palin could do as good or better than he has up to now. At least she had some experience in a leadership role...

kinda just half true there, dean.

bush landed us in a land war in the middle east we had absolutely no business fighting, costing good american boys and girls their lives, limbs and sanity and subsequently costing the american taxpayers billions in defense spending...

bush, karl rove and dick cheney have spearheaded legislation that has eroded the individual rights and liberties of the american people to the point that its now legal for the government to track your cell phone signal without a warrant from a judge.

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 04:01 PM
kinda just half true there, dean.

bush landed us in a land war in the middle east we had absolutely no business fighting, costing good american boys and girls their lives, limbs and sanity and subsequently costing the american taxpayers billions in defense spending...

bush, karl rove and dick cheney have spearheaded legislation that has eroded the individual rights and liberties of the american people to the point that its now legal for the government to track your cell phone signal without a warrant from a judge.

Ah, your memory is only half true there, G-slice.

Bush landed us in a land war in the middle east after damn near every person in Congress agreed we should go there - including a large majority of the dems. I know, selective memory...

And as for the Patriot Act, I personally couldn't give a ****. Monitor my cell phone calls. I ain't making drug deals, but you might hear me selling some calves or telling momma I'm gonna do her in the pooper tonight. I have zero problem with the feds monitoring achmed mohammad the IED makers cell phone. And if it's so bad, why has your boy quietly continued pretty much everything Bush put into place? Where's all the outrage and angst?

Meh.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 04:05 PM
You lost me after your first paragraph - primarily because it's the exact same thing Tuba or RLIMC would say (and probably did say) back when you commie humpers were doing nothing but criticizing Bush. You didn't offer ideas - only criticism and hatred and vitriol. Don't expect anything back from the R's than the same thing you dished out.

And FWIW, I'm one of the few conservatives who don't/didn't hate Bush. I think he did an admirable job for the most part based on the hand he was dealt. This new guy? Not so much. Things have not gotten better. They've gotten MUCH worse. In every area except maybe Afghanistan/Iraq.

My advice/ideas? Quit shoving your Stalinesque agenda down our ****ing throats. Quit trying to take over every failing business. Use all that stimulus pork to create some REAL jobs. Most importantly, go **** up a ****ing rope.

You're incapable of a post when you're not on the attack. You provided no ideas, only criticism...inaccurate criticism at that.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 04:06 PM
Bush's primary shortfall was spending/budget crap. Everyone wants to crucify him for it. Obama has been exponentially worse in this area - and continues to do stupid **** with our money. I ain't calling Obama a devil, I'm calling him a very poor president at this point, and I don't see it getting any better. Sara Palin could do as good or better than he has up to now. At least she had some experience in a leadership role...

criticism is too easy.

Fugue
4/13/2010, 04:10 PM
You're incapable of a post when you're not on the attack. You provided no ideas, only criticism...inaccurate criticism at that.

kinda like this one

C&CDean
4/13/2010, 04:13 PM
Oh. So you got called out on your horse**** and now I'm on the attack huh? Blow me.

I said he needs to quit shoving the commie crap down our throats. I said he needs to quit spending like Bush-cubed. I said he needs to create real jobs and stop buying out private companies. Those are ideas dude.

Tulsa_Fireman
4/13/2010, 04:15 PM
Word.

I'll post without criticism. Barack Obama is the devil. He has scads of odd Californians that worship him. People who like to smoke pot think he's neat. He can hit the three but is weak on the dribble. He throws a baseball worse than my 10 year old daughter. He makes George W. Bush look like Ebeneezer Scrooge when it comes to the flinging of cash.

These presidential facts brought to you by the Tulsa_Fireman School For Wayward Female Nymphomaniacs, OVJ, and the letter F.

tommieharris91
4/13/2010, 04:24 PM
You're incapable of a post when you're not on the attack. You provided no ideas, only criticism...inaccurate criticism at that.
You would have been better off writing this without the bolded part.

tommieharris91
4/13/2010, 04:25 PM
Oh. So you got called out on your horse**** and now I'm on the attack huh? Blow me.

I said he needs to quit shoving the commie crap down our throats. I said he needs to quit spending like Bush-cubed. I said he needs to create real jobs and stop buying out private companies. Those are ideas dude.

How does he both stop spending and create jobs?

Tulsa_Fireman
4/13/2010, 04:25 PM
Tommie, you're incapable of a post when you're not on the attack.

Which by the way was not criticism, but simply a fun presidential fact.

tommieharris91
4/13/2010, 04:28 PM
Tommie, you're incapable of a post when you're not on the attack.

Which by the way was not criticism, but simply a fun presidential fact.

You're right. I am. I don't play lock-down, tenacious defense.

John Kochtoston
4/13/2010, 04:41 PM
Orglethorpe Wolfnuts for veep!!


http://www.slap-shot.com/Ogie2.jpg

Ogletorpe?

ndpruitt03
4/13/2010, 06:01 PM
Why not just have everything be individually based? Instead of hoping the government pays for all of our health care why not do what Switzerland does and pay about 30% of health care from your pocket. That's why they have one of the best health care systems in the world. We pay 12% of our health care out of pocket. The government can't afford to give us all these entitlements and pay for things we really need like schools, good roads, and most importantly defense. There's studies out right now saying that within 15 years all of our money is going to 2 things health care and social security. That's not sustainable.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 06:19 PM
Oh. So you got called out on your horse**** and now I'm on the attack huh? Blow me.

I said he needs to quit shoving the commie crap down our throats. I said he needs to quit spending like Bush-cubed. I said he needs to create real jobs and stop buying out private companies. Those are ideas dude.

Ok, any solutions for those ideas other than what's being done now? Or do you really know what's being done now? Man, you're feisty today...

soonerinkaty
4/13/2010, 06:21 PM
Seeing as how the repubs are the watchdog party at the moment, they are doing their job. The dems were pitchin a fit to bush every step of the way. Same shtick.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 06:23 PM
The party of NO

ndpruitt03
4/13/2010, 06:23 PM
Ok, any solutions for those ideas other than what's being done now? Or do you really know what's being done now? Man, you're feisty today...

What you don's realize is that this guy is just another Bush. All these politicians have done is did what Bush and the republicans did for 8 years and patting themselves on the back like they are doing good things. I didn't like it when Bush and company were doing it why like it now when Obama and company are doing it? The day is coming real soon when our government won't be able to pay enough to exist and that day is coming much sooner than you would think.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 06:30 PM
Oh I'm aware that the Dems have many shortcomings. I just want to know what the Republicans think they would be doing that's so much better (or different). Saying they wouldn't tax sounds nice, but I don't believe it. When the last Democrat (Clinton) was in office he balanced the budget. It took a Republican to obliterate that one.

soonerinkaty
4/13/2010, 06:34 PM
It took an expensive war to obliterate that one. Doesn't matter if Gore was elected, same thing would have happened.

ndpruitt03
4/13/2010, 06:41 PM
And we had a republican congress to help that in the 90s. The republican party lost their way in the 2000s and basically became big spenders. And the democrats are spending even more. We need to stop all this spending. It's going to end badly for the country.

ndpruitt03
4/13/2010, 06:42 PM
It took an expensive war to obliterate that one. Doesn't matter if Gore was elected, same thing would have happened.

Yep we would have gone to war with Iraq and Afghan no matter what with the facts we had at the time. The democrats voted for going to war also.

GKeeper316
4/13/2010, 07:00 PM
Yep we would have gone to war with Iraq and Afghan no matter what with the lies we had at the time. The democrats voted for going to war also.

fixt.

there was very little to no actual fact in any intelligence we received about iraq's wmd program, and we come to find out, saddam was actually in compliance with the UN restrictions concerning his weapons programs.

still doesnt excuse his army for taking pot shots at our pilots patrolling the no fly zone, but still...

we should have been out of iraq after it was determined they had no NBC weapons capability.

ndpruitt03
4/13/2010, 07:07 PM
Yeah but both sides agreed with the lies. And we are better off without Saddam. But I'm a believer that we need to treat North Korea and Iran the same way in some ways. They aren't going to stop any thing with just sanctions or diplomacy.

swardboy
4/13/2010, 07:16 PM
Saddam was on like his 12th or 13th UN declaration to come clean about weapons of mass destruction by letting observers in to do the examining...he was playing a coy game to keep Iran guessing that he actually had the WMD's and not mess with him......EVERYBODY bought the sleight of hand he was dishing out.

PDXsooner
4/13/2010, 09:32 PM
I don't think it's a given that any president would have invaded Iraq. Afghanistan yes. Iraq, no.

85Sooner
4/13/2010, 09:54 PM
The answer to a colosal jewel of ignorance that would ask this question.
Its called a super majority. When you have the numbers that actually allow you to silence other members, their ideas cannot be expressed and with the piece of crap media sucking obama off everyday, there are very few ways to get the ideas out in 60 sec soundbytes.

85Sooner
4/13/2010, 09:59 PM
The answer is to start purging this country of socialists and communists that have spent the last 30 years whining about gay rights, the environment etc.... aclu members who have no sense of the country. The citizenry is getting armed and it is not going to be pretty on the posters side. I am not talking about country bumpkins, I am talking about educated professionals that have you in their sights. The big question that everyone should be asking is, What will be the straw? This country will not go down without a fight.

JohnnyMack
4/13/2010, 10:18 PM
Somebody needs to watch the John Cleese video...

texas bandman
4/13/2010, 10:26 PM
Bush landed us in a land war in the middle east after damn near every person in Congress agreed we should go there - including a large majority of the dems. I know, selective memory...


I was totally in agreement with bombing Afghanistan back to the stone ages (which wouldn't have taken much), but Bush took his eye off the ball and took our resources to Iraq, which I totally disagreed. Iraq wasn't a training ground for terrorists like Afghanistan and Sadaam Hussein although a bad man kept control of that very fractured nation. That was one of the largest failures of the Bush presidency. His performance domestically was abysmal also and it was the lack of governmental oversight that caused much of the economic mess that Obama inherited.

Sooner Eclipse
4/13/2010, 11:18 PM
That was one of the largest failures of the Bush presidency. His performance domestically was abysmal also and it was the lack of governmental oversight that caused much of the economic mess that Obama inherited.

Barney's Frank (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg)

Yep, no one warned congress. But if they had, I'm sure no one would have filibustered or blocked attempts to regulate the major causes of the fianancial meltdown. It's such a shame. :( If only someone had seen it coming.

PDXsooner
4/14/2010, 11:12 AM
The answer is to start purging this country of socialists and communists that have spent the last 30 years whining about gay rights, the environment etc.... aclu members who have no sense of the country. The citizenry is getting armed and it is not going to be pretty on the posters side. I am not talking about country bumpkins, I am talking about educated professionals that have you in their sights. The big question that everyone should be asking is, What will be the straw? This country will not go down without a fight.

Wow, and they call me whacko

ndpruitt03
4/14/2010, 05:30 PM
The federal government needs to just stop the spending now and look at what is needed to be spent on if anything. There's a lot of programs that just need to be shelved like the Post Office, Department of Education, and Social Security. Maybe get rid of these programs but take away most of the funding because they aren't doing anything except taking up money. The goals these programs were made for aren't really used anymore. They are just there taking up trillions of our dollars and growing. And the USPS is pretty much useless because things like Fed Ex and UPS are better.

Then we can worry about how to manage health care. I don't see why people spend 7k dollars a year on health care. Health care needs to be changed to where you have a savings account for it possibly from childhood maybe the government should try and cover people like the real young and real old and those that have diseases where they need to get a lot of medicines. But that's probably a lot more reasonable to take care of those people than trying to put everyone on one system. A healthy person shouldn't even pay a penny for health care if they have a health savings account where they can use it if they ever get sick or have injuries. Paying 7k dollars a year for something you may rarely or never use is stupid.

tommieharris91
4/14/2010, 09:26 PM
The federal government needs to just stop the spending now and look at what is needed to be spent on if anything. There's a lot of programs that just need to be shelved like the Post Office, Department of Education, and Social Security. Maybe get rid of these programs but take away most of the funding because they aren't doing anything except taking up money. The goals these programs were made for aren't really used anymore. They are just there taking up trillions of our dollars and growing. And the USPS is pretty much useless because things like Fed Ex and UPS are better.

Then we can worry about how to manage health care. I don't see why people spend 7k dollars a year on health care. Health care needs to be changed to where you have a savings account for it possibly from childhood maybe the government should try and cover people like the real young and real old and those that have diseases where they need to get a lot of medicines. But that's probably a lot more reasonable to take care of those people than trying to put everyone on one system. A healthy person shouldn't even pay a penny for health care if they have a health savings account where they can use it if they ever get sick or have injuries. Paying 7k dollars a year for something you may rarely or never use is stupid.

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/6515/original/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg