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jkjsooner
3/31/2010, 05:03 PM
Serious Question:

I understand the backlash after the health care reform law. I'm not addressing that here.

What I am addressing is the rhetoric surrounding the TARP bailouts. Despite evidence to the contrary, this continues to be portrayed as a liberal plan for government to take over the financial industry.

Nobody liked the bailouts. I doubt there's many liberals out there who wanted the government to bail out Wall Street prior to the financial meltdown.

Put yourself in Obama and Bush's shoes. Economists everywhere were warning that our economic system had stopped functioning and we were in real threat of cascading collapses that could bring down the entire economy and lead us to another great depression. Leaders in both administrations (Bernanke, Paulson, Geittner, etc.) were giving dire warnings if we don't act immediately to shore up our banks. They saw what happened to Lehman Bros. and the consequences of Lehman's failure and it got a lot of people really worried.

And, by the way, economists tend to be conservative / free-market by nature and they were leading the charge. This wasn't even about Keynesian economics. It was about an immediate need to shore up our largest banks so that they don't collapse.

If you were our leader, would you risk these consequences?

I just don't understand how this has been portrayed as an Obama plot for the government to take over the financial system. Whether right or wrong, Obama and Bush listened to the experts and made the call.

And, by the way, all the tough talk about self resiliency and hard work does little for you if the economy collapses. My guess is that if we didn't have TARP many of us would be unemployed right now.


Can we at least agree or disagree on the TARP bailouts without stating that this was some liberal conspiracy.

Bourbon St Sooner
4/1/2010, 03:43 PM
Well, first of all the TARP bailouts were started by Golman stoolie Paulson and then continued by Turbo Tax Timmy, so I don't see how they can be called an Obama scheme.

As much distaste as I have for TARP, I might be able to admit that at least some of it was necessary. What pisses me off are the sweetheart deals that went out like all of the AIG counterparties (Goldman) taking no losses on their bad debts on the back of taxpayers. And Turbo Tax Timmy sets up the sweetheart deal while telling AIG execs to hush up about it.

What also pisses people off, is that these jackholes go right back to doing what they were doing while suffering no consequences and continuing to get rich. Meanwhile, John Q Public is losing his job, having his house foreclosed on and watching his 401k go down the drain because of what these guys did.

And we still have no financial reform. And we still have no political will to break up the "too big to fails." So the beat goes on for Wall Street while the rest of us take it up the ***.

rainiersooner
4/1/2010, 10:37 PM
The government is set to realize a 14% return on its Citibank investment; in the aggregate it is expected to make a profit on its bank investments. It will lose money on AIG and the auto industry investments. Overall, it is difficult to argue imo that TARP as it relates to banks, was a negative.

Crucifax Autumn
4/2/2010, 04:32 AM
They should get the auto industry money back by taking every single leftover vehicle from the previous year model before the crappy commercials declaring a "price blowout" and "everything MUST GO!!!!!"

jkjsooner
4/2/2010, 08:54 AM
And we still have no financial reform. And we still have no political will to break up the "too big to fails." So the beat goes on for Wall Street while the rest of us take it up the ***.

There is a lot about the TARP bailouts that I don't like. I am the first to criticize certain aspects of them and I do believe there are too many Wall Street insiders in our treasury department.

In a perfect world we would have allowed the banks to fail, guaranteed enough of their obligations to curb systemic risk while also punishing the relevant parties. This was a tough call because 1) authorities didn't think they had the authority to do that at the time 2) it would be risky and 3) it could end up being even more expensive for the taxpayers.

As for the regulation and "too big to fail" banks, well, we have the likes of RLIMC and Tuba screaming about socialism every time we try to address these problems.

jkjsooner
4/2/2010, 08:58 AM
Here's a call to RLIMC and Tuba. What would you have done in 2008/2009? We can debate what got us into this mess at another time but tell me your solution to our problems.

I'm not sure that Limbaugh has even told RLIMC what his thoughts on this should be so I'm sure he won't respond.

Crucifax Autumn
4/2/2010, 09:00 AM
I think the real solution involves flying monkeys. Britney Speers, and yellow matter custrard dripping from a dead dog's eye...

tommieharris91
4/2/2010, 09:10 AM
Here's a call to RLIMC and Tuba. What would you have done in 2008/2009? We can debate what got us into this mess at another time but tell me your solution to our problems.

I'm not sure that Limbaugh has even told RLIMC what his thoughts on this should be so I'm sure he won't respond.

Chances are, he has you on ignore.

Bourbon St Sooner
4/2/2010, 10:11 AM
Here's a call to RLIMC and Tuba. What would you have done in 2008/2009? We can debate what got us into this mess at another time but tell me your solution to our problems.

I'm not sure that Limbaugh has even told RLIMC what his thoughts on this should be so I'm sure he won't respond.

Oh, I thought this was an invitation to serious discussion, not a call out to RLIMC and Tuba. I'll exit stage left now. Don't worry, I'm sure Hannity will tell those guys what to think about financial reform pretty soon and you'll get an earful.

jkjsooner
4/2/2010, 10:22 AM
Oh, I thought this was an invitation to serious discussion, not a call out to RLIMC and Tuba. I'll exit stage left now. Don't worry, I'm sure Hannity will tell those guys what to think about financial reform pretty soon and you'll get an earful.

My apologies. I do want a serious discussion but I would also like to call them out as well.