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Collier11
3/27/2010, 05:46 PM
Butler Bulldogs the 1st team in with a victory over Kstate...


They are now 32-4 and considering their semifinal matchup will be Mich St or Tenn, I wont be shocked at all if they make it to the finals.

royalfan5
3/27/2010, 05:49 PM
I suppose this is the time to mention that Lucas Oil Stadium's exterior is based on the exterior design of Butler's Home Gym. Also, I'm willing to bet that the Hoops will be 10ft high for both teams, just like they are in Hinkle Fieldhouse.

oumartin
3/27/2010, 06:02 PM
they have won 24 straight? did i hear that right. They look like a very good team.

Definately capable of winning it all. Good season for k-state but today they just weren't getting the ball to fall

JLEW1818
3/27/2010, 06:09 PM
so there will be a 5 seed or higher in the championship game

Eielson
3/27/2010, 06:47 PM
I'm betting there won't be much excitement leading up to the Championship game. I bet the Final Four matchup on the right side of the bracket will be more exciting.

JLEW1818
3/27/2010, 06:52 PM
agree

Collier11
3/27/2010, 08:35 PM
West Virginia moves on at 31-6...they will now face the winner of Duke and Baylor

misplacedsooner
3/27/2010, 09:06 PM
i sooo hope baylor wins....i just hate duke real, real bad.

Soonerus
3/27/2010, 09:14 PM
My bracket is so F'ed up, I need Baylor to win tomorrow...

Curly Bill
3/27/2010, 09:17 PM
I had Kentucky from the get-go.

...and yup, I'm pulling for Baylor now.

Soonerus
3/27/2010, 09:24 PM
I had Kansas...

Curly Bill
3/27/2010, 09:27 PM
I had Kansas...

I figured Kansas had as good a shot as Kentucky, it's just that I hate Kansas so damn much!

badger
3/27/2010, 10:06 PM
Not that having a home court is an advantage (see michigan state last year) but it would be very cool if a school without a title won one this year. Yes that means I'm giving the finger to Duke. go baylor!

Eielson
3/27/2010, 10:58 PM
Kansas pretty much had everything you look for in a Championship team. Apparently dorky white guys was their kryptonite.

misplacedsooner
3/27/2010, 11:10 PM
ya know....butler will be playing at home. how bout a butler vs baylor championship???

Collier11
3/27/2010, 11:15 PM
ITs gonna be Butler vs Duke

misplacedsooner
3/27/2010, 11:23 PM
ANYBODY but duke...anybody

Collier11
3/27/2010, 11:24 PM
I actually root for Duke some although id really like to see West Virginia, I just think if Duke gets by Baylor they are going all the way

Salt City Sooner
3/28/2010, 12:16 AM
I'm betting there won't be much excitement leading up to the Championship game. I bet the Final Four matchup on the right side of the bracket will be more exciting.
This reminds me SOOO much of 1983. Everybody & their dog that year was saying that Houston/Louisville was the REAL title game. Thing is, Jimmy V. & the Pack didn't get that memo.....

Eielson
3/28/2010, 12:25 AM
how bout a butler vs baylor championship???

That would be the NCAA's worst nightmare...so it won't happen. Not that it would anyway.

Eielson
3/28/2010, 12:28 AM
This reminds me SOOO much of 1983. Everybody & their dog that year was saying that Houston/Louisville was the REAL title game. Thing is, Jimmy V. & the Pack didn't get that memo.....

I'm not saying Butler/Tennessee/Michigan State can't win it. I'm just saying that I probably won't be able to get too excited to watch the championship game.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 12:28 AM
can never count out Izzo though

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 01:00 AM
i can see this game happening...hope i can come back and quote this next saturday night. lol

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:28 PM
Tied up with 1 FT to go in the Tenn/mich st game...another great game

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:30 PM
what a great March

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:31 PM
Tenn missed the 2nd FT, Mich St goes down and gets fouled with 1.2 left, hits the 1st FT, Tenn gonna need a miracle now

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:33 PM
ok so short and sweet. What determines u get the ball at half court?

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:34 PM
Mich St missed the 2nd FT on purpose, Tenn will have one last shot with about 1.6 left

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:35 PM
ok so short and sweet. What determines u get the ball at half court?

thats NBA, not college

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:35 PM
ok. so college is always baseline?

NBA half court with a timeout?

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:36 PM
college is where the ball is posessed

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:37 PM
Not sure about that final shot by Tenn, great game either way.


The 1st Final 4 game is set, Butler 32-4 vs. Mich St 28-8

Tom Izzo is a machine

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:38 PM
still don't understand c11

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:42 PM
dont understand what?

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:45 PM
Tom Izzo has now been to the Final Four 6 times in 15 years

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:45 PM
sometimes it seems like they get the ball at half court to throw in.

In the NBA does a timeout advance the ball to half court? explain

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:47 PM
In the NBA if you call a timeout you get the ball at halfcourt, in college it is just where the ball is when you call the timeout

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:49 PM
k, that's what i thought.

which u like better?

Collier11
3/28/2010, 03:51 PM
I like the nba rule, it seems like it makes it more suspensful

Curly Bill
3/28/2010, 03:53 PM
I like the college rule. Why let a team throw the ball in at half court when they haven't done anything to deserve it beyond signalling a TO?

oumartin
3/28/2010, 03:55 PM
I certainly didn't understand the shot and Tennessee shoulda called their timeout before the miss and had a play called in case he missed. or at least had an idea of what to do. That setting up an inbounds play does nothing more than allow the defense to get set up. I mean it's tough either way but man that last shot pittiful.

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 03:56 PM
i think these guys like the college rule better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-iq58_oz4

JLEW1818
3/28/2010, 04:12 PM
Kyle Singler is a effing tool

Collier11
3/28/2010, 04:16 PM
he is a stud

Collier11
3/28/2010, 04:34 PM
Duke shooting well early on, be interesting to see if Coach K will start to get to Drew

Collier11
3/28/2010, 04:51 PM
This game looks like a civil war battle :eek:

At the half Baylor is up 35-32

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 04:58 PM
gooooo baylor!!!!

Collier11
3/28/2010, 05:36 PM
the baskets starting to tighten up a bit, Duke up 2 but there have been a bunch of misses on both sides over the last 4 or 5 min

Collier11
3/28/2010, 05:56 PM
wow, another great game. Duke just hit a 3 to go up 1 with just over 4 minutes left

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:05 PM
Duke hits back to back 3s, up 5 with 2 minutes left

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:07 PM
Baylor jacks up a bad 3, Duke gets a follow dunk and ft, baylor turns it over...Duke up 8 now with 1:19 left. We are seeing the diff between Duke and Baylor here as Baylor started freaking out a bit and making bad decisions

bluedogok
3/28/2010, 06:07 PM
Watching the last half of this game reminds me why I do not watch basketball anymore.....Baylor has thrown it away but Duke seems to gets every call.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:09 PM
Im very aware of the Duke bias and I dont see it this game, it has been a very evenly called game IMO.

SoonerInKCMO
3/28/2010, 06:12 PM
Scheyer is a ******. The swinging of the elbows followed by a "did you see what that guy did to me?" look at the ref... it's why normal people don't like Duke.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:13 PM
I guess you missed the Baylor guy smacking him in the face while he was calling a TO, he swung his elbows to clear room

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:18 PM
That does it, Duke moves on to Coach Ks 11th Final Four

West Virginia 31-6 vs Duke 33-5

Butler 32-4 vs. Mich St 28-8

Who you got?
Ill take WVU vs Mich St in the all black n blue natl title game

Curly Bill
3/28/2010, 06:20 PM
I'll take Duke vs Michigan St.

Michigan St. to win it all over Duke in a close game.

SoonerInKCMO
3/28/2010, 06:20 PM
I just replayed it half a dozen times on my DVR - the Baylor guy swiped down at the ball and it doesn't look to me like he hit his face - hit his arm instead.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:24 PM
Ok, just rewatched it and this is what I saw...

he in no way "swung" his elbow as if he were trying to hit someone, he swung thru one arm that Dunn had ahold of, merely getting his arm loose

Its hard to tell if he got hit in the face but it did look like it to me

bluedogok
3/28/2010, 06:31 PM
I guess you missed the Baylor guy smacking him in the face while he was calling a TO, he swung his elbows to clear room
A few years ago the swinging of elbows like that was supposed to be a "point of emphasis" but I guess it isn't anymore or whenever it is a Duke player doing it.

Baylor lost the game, they fell apart at the end but it still doesn't mean that officials don't call stuff against Duke that they call against other teams. I saw what should have called fouls against Duke that weren't and then a touch foul on the perimeter against Baylor.

That is why I rarely watch any basketball, the officiating has ruined the game for me to enjoy even when there are teams that I don't have any rooting interest in. I just hate the inconsistency.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 06:33 PM
23 offensive rebounds...that is why Baylor lost and im sorry but you are dead wrong on the swinging elbow deal, nothing Scheyer did was worthy of a foul

silverwheels
3/28/2010, 06:57 PM
**** Duke. And WVU and MSU for that matter. Hopefully Butler wins the whole thing.

tulsaoilerfan
3/28/2010, 07:53 PM
Duke got the bogus call on the charge, then on the missed free throw the guy was over the back and it wasn't called; that's Duke basketball just like always

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:00 PM
I dont get the griping about the charge, I thought it was a good call, at best it was 50/50...it wasnt a horrible call by any means

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 08:15 PM
i would of had a no call at that point in the game...basket good, no foul either way. i hate duke real bad but they won fair and square. there was things that could of been called either way and were during the game. that said ill take butler and duke in the finals with the butler shocking the world!!

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:16 PM
again, if Baylor doesnt give up 23 offensive rebounds they win, that is horrible

silverwheels
3/28/2010, 08:24 PM
Duke is the equivalent of the Italian national soccer team. And I don't mean that as a compliment.

Bunch of 'mos.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:27 PM
Im going for WV

Jacie
3/28/2010, 08:28 PM
I thought Duke was allowed to keep hands on the Baylor bodies the entire second half and not be called once for reaching in, slapping at the arm, etc . . .

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:30 PM
griping about Duke and the refs reminds me of texas fans and *'s

silverwheels
3/28/2010, 08:32 PM
It's true, though. Duke gets helped out as much as possible. Still, Baylor had their chances and couldn't close it. Kind of like Kansas State against Butler.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:34 PM
Did anyone ever think that Duke got calls in the 2nd half cus they attacked the hoop alot

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 08:37 PM
every sport has teams that get calls more than others. those teams are hard to beat in a close game.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:39 PM
Its the same as a Great player getting more calls that are close calls

silverwheels
3/28/2010, 08:39 PM
Did anyone ever think that Duke got calls in the 2nd half cus they attacked the hoop alot

What about every other game Duke plays?

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:40 PM
I think it is weak sauce to have that attitude, they may get a call here or there that is close and it goes their way but I dont buy it that they get special treatment

I watched the entire game and im not Duke fan but I thought it was a pretty well called game by the refs

silverwheels
3/28/2010, 08:42 PM
I don't think it's all special treatment all the time, but they get more than their fair share of calls, and not all of them are legit.

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 08:45 PM
coach k gets alot of those calls, what ref wants to face him after making several bad calls, with him its respect. if coach k wasnt there duke would not get alot of those calls. and collier has one thing right...duke did attack the basket in the 2nd half and kill on the boards not so much snagging boards but tipping the ball back out. if baylor boxes out better different ending.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 08:49 PM
exactly

bluedogok
3/28/2010, 08:50 PM
I think most of us here agree that Baylor panicked and gave the game away and Duke took advantage of that but that still doesn't mean Duke doesn't get calls in situations where other teams wouldn't, it is something that has happened for a very long time. No it wasn't terribly lopsided but a single call here and there can change the dynamic of the game.

Yes, there are teams in every sport that happens to, I think OU football got quite a few "good calls" in the 2000 season, Texas gets them now. It is probably more prevalent in basketball as the officials seem to have the ability to completely control games, which I think Tubbs antagonistic attitude towards officials made him no friends when it came to getting a call towards the end of his term at OU. It can work for you or against you.

The Jordan Rules did exist, they exist now for Kobe and LeBron...it is just a fact of life with anything that is officiated.

misplacedsooner
3/28/2010, 08:57 PM
very true, soon kd will be getting those too. it was terrible with jordon, just blow on him and it was a foul but he could manhandle you.

tulsaoilerfan
3/28/2010, 09:43 PM
I dont get the griping about the charge, I thought it was a good call, at best it was 50/50...it wasnt a horrible call by any means

Not that it matters but i thought the Duke player was moving while the Baylor player was already in the air; call could have gone either way, or it could have been ignored, but it was a huge call in the game that went Duke's way; after that Baylor just fell apart

Curly Bill
3/28/2010, 09:55 PM
Anyone who doesn't think Duke is going to get more than it's fair share of calls is just wrong.

Collier11
3/28/2010, 10:34 PM
Not that it matters but i thought the Duke player was moving while the Baylor player was already in the air; call could have gone either way, or it could have been ignored, but it was a huge call in the game that went Duke's way; after that Baylor just fell apart

yahoo sports has an article about all of this, they also have a video of the charge play...if you rewatch it which I just did, his feet are clearly set, now his upper body leans into it but either way, at worst it was a 50/50 call...not by any means a bad call.

Eielson
3/29/2010, 07:58 PM
I think that several people here were watching the game, and pulling for Baylor. They were probably pleasantly surprised that Baylor hung in there, but just when Baylor looked like they could do it, they fell apart. In their frustration, it caused them to blame the officials, and ignore the fact that Baylor gave up four different three point plays that came off of offensive rebounds in the span of about 2-3 minutes. They somewhat recognize it, but they still can't give up that odd satisfaction that comes from blaming it on the refs, and so they claim it wouldn't have mattered if the refs weren't biased.

The funny thing to me is that the foundation of this argument against the officiating is a good call. That was a charge, and you really can't debate it. Saying that it wasn't is YOUR bias against Duke, not the NCAA's bias toward Duke.

silverwheels
3/29/2010, 08:10 PM
So the two guys that picked Duke in the rivalries thread are defending them, and the people who picked UNC aren't. What a surprise.

Collier11
3/29/2010, 08:12 PM
I think that several people here were watching the game, and pulling for Baylor. They were probably pleasantly surprised that Baylor hung in there, but just when Baylor looked like they could do it, they fell apart. In their frustration, it caused them to blame the officials, and ignore the fact that Baylor gave up four different three point plays that came off of offensive rebounds in the span of about 2-3 minutes. They somewhat recognize it, but they still can't give up that odd satisfaction that comes from blaming it on the refs, and so they claim it wouldn't have mattered if the refs weren't biased.

The funny thing to me is that the foundation of this argument against the officiating is a good call. That was a charge, and you really can't debate it. Saying that it wasn't is YOUR bias against Duke, not the NCAA's bias toward Duke.

We found something to agree on :D this is dead on...whats even worse about the people griping that the charge called swung momentum (even though it was a legit charge) was that Baylor came right back down the next time and took the lead