ASTUTE OBSERVATION from a FORMER LIBERAL

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

by Dick Morris:

Let's begin our reaction to the passage of Obamacare by remembering Winston Churchill's famous formulation with which he introduced his war memoirs:

In defeat: defiance

In war: resolution

In victory: magnanimity

In peace: goodwill

1. Restore the Medicare cuts mandated in this bill. Block the reduction of physicians' fees by 21 percent scheduled to take effect this fall. Override the cuts in Medicare that require annual approval by Congress. Challenge the Democrats over each and every cut. Try to peel away enough votes to stop the cuts from driving doctors and hospitals to adopt the course already taken by the Mayo Clinic in refusing to take Medicare patients.

2. Defeat the Democrats in the 2010 election! Start with the traitors who voted no in November and then switched to a shameful yes when it counted in March: Baird (Washington), Kosmas, and Boyd (Florida). Then go on to win the open seats in the House and Senate. And then fight to replace as many Democrats as possible. Remember:

Any Democrat who voted no would have voted yes if they had needed his or her vote. The only way to repeal Obamacare is to vote Republican.

3. Defund once we get the majority in both chambers, defund appropriations for the Obamacare program. The bill Congress passed and the president signed is simply an authorization measure. Congress must appropriate funds for it each year. Through zero funding these changes, we can cripple them before they take full effect.

4. Repeal, once we defeat Barack Obama, this disastrous plan before it can ruin our healthcare system. Then, we must replace it with a Republican alternative which relies on the marketplace, tax incentives, and individual responsibility to provide healthcare to all Americans.

Above all, we finally must learn the fundamental lesson this political process we have been through has to teach: That there is no such thing as a conservative or moderate Democrat. Blue dogs don't exist in real life. Only yellow dogs.

The days when there were Democrats who refused to follow their radical left-wing party line are over. There are no longer "state" Democrats who vote conservative as opposed to "national" Democrats who vote with the left. They are an extinct species. Some senators and congressmen capitalize on our memories of those days and pretend to be moderates. But they are just faking it.

Nancy Pelosi knew — as Harry Reid knew in the Senate — that she had the potential support of every single Democrat in her chamber if only the price was right. The sole difference between moderate and liberal Democrats is their asking price. Moderates require slightly higher bribes to assure their votes.

There are only two kinds of congressmen or senators: Democrats and Republicans. We have had a national education, and it's time to learn from it. In days gone by, intelligent people liked to say that they voted for the person, not the party. Now those who say this are fooling themselves. There is only party! The most conservative Democrat is way to the left of the most liberal Republican.

The Democratic victory on Obamacare will prove the most expensive in the party's history. It will lead to the eradication of their majority, the defeat of more than fifty of their Congressmen, the switch of Senate control, and Republican domination for decades. And, in the end, it will have done nothing to improve healthcare. But, fortunately, we can win the 2010 election to stop it from doing much damage.

© Dick Morris & Eileen McGann

[olevetonahill]

Ya know ? Ima Conservative . But when Yall go all wing bat it makes me crazy.
Can we as Cons Just say the Libs are nuts and Move on ?

[Scott D]

so Vet, how long should you cook them pork rinds?

[John Kochtoston]

so Vet, how long should you cook them pork rinds?

Homemade pork rinds? Hmmm. I'd have thought pork rinds would be one of the few things that actually taste better pre-packaged and/or mass-produced. Like french fries.

[Scott D]

it's pork rind pie...a specialty or something.

[olevetonahill]

so Vet, how long should you cook them pork rinds?

Just a tad longer than Chitlins ! dont ya know nuthin ?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Ya know ? Ima Conservative . But when Yall go all wing bat it makes me crazy.
Can we as Cons Just say the Libs are nuts and Move on ?It's unclear what you are referring to, but Morris is right, with this article.

[olevetonahill]

It's unclear what you are referring to, but Morris is right, with this article.

What Im referring to is the Fact that a Hell of a lot of Good stuff YOU post, gets lost in yer inane blather about the Libs .
WGAF ?

Post intelligent stuff, Then let the board decide :eek:

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

What Im referring to is the Fact that a Hell of a lot of Good stuff YOU post, gets lost in yer inane blather about the Libs .
WGAF ?

Post intelligent stuff, Then let the board decide :eek:The post IS about the libs. It's hard to tell whether you agree or not.

[olevetonahill]

The post IS about the libs. It's hard to tell whether you agree or not.

Bro
I hate Libs
I also hate YOU crying Wolf every thread/Post

[Collier11]

the CNN clip that is making the rounds says alot though considering CNN is typically very moderate if not left

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Bro
I hate Libs
I also hate YOU crying Wolf every thread/PostThis thread is posted for the benefit of those deluded to think there might be some good democrat politicians, and who believe there's no difference between the dems and repubs. If you think that's crying wolf, then you might benefit from Mr. Morris' position.

[Collier11]

If you think there are NO good REP or no good DEMs then you are delusional and part of the problem

[SanJoaquinSooner]

so Vet, how long should you cook them pork rinds?

Depends if you want them crunchy (chicharones) or not (cueritos).

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If you think there are NO good REP or no good DEMs then you are delusional and part of the problemThere are plenty good repub. candidates, along with a few RINOS, performing as dems. Morris' point, and I have long observed, is that there are precious few dems, IF ANY, who will buck the liberal/progressive/socialist leadership that the dems have had for many years. When it's time to get the votes to pass the party's choice on an issue, enough dems will always come through to do it. (if they have the majority in congress, which they now do) IOW, virtually NO conservative, principled dems.

[Collier11]

Im just saying that I think part of the issue with our country is that we worry too much about battling the other party as opposed to just doing what is right

[TenkillerSooner]

Im just saying that I think part of the issue with our country is that we worry too much about battling the other party as opposed to just doing what is right

^This

Way too much "our team vs. their team" IMO

In the end we are all on the same farkin team.

[Collier11]

YEP! I think the 2 party system is more of a detriment than a benefit anymore

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Im just saying that I think part of the issue with our country is that we worry too much about battling the other party as opposed to just doing what is rightThe democrat party, nowadays, is the enemy of the people. Wish it wasn't so.

[Collier11]

well, they are the majority so what does that say about the people of the country?

[delhalew]

YEP! I think the 2 party system is more of a detriment than a benefit anymore

Unfortunately, the electoral college keeps us trapped in the two party system.
The EC has good qualities that I would hate to lose. That being the case, some quality candidate needs to rise from one of the parties. The problem is the parties aren't couragous enough to nominate someone outside of their mold. It's up to us to force the issue.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

well, they are the majority so what does that say about the people of the country?Too many of us have our hands out.

[BudSooner]

The democrat party, nowadays, is the enemy of the people. Wish it wasn't so.

So you are saying the pubs are without fault for our countries ills? :rolleyes:
You could fertilize my lawn with thoughts like that.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

So you are saying the pubs are without fault for our countries ills? :rolleyes:
You could fertilize my lawn with thoughts like that.That isn't at all what i said, and I'm pretty you you realize that.

[1890MilesToNorman]

If you are young and deciding a career path right now, would you choose to become a doctor? I don't think I would. You still have the liability and your earnings are going to be gubmint controlled.

[BudSooner]

:gary:
The democrat party, nowadays, is the enemy of the people. Wish it wasn't so.

^This is what you said, no mention of republicans in it and if you are blind enough to think for one minute that all the rotten eggs are in one party then you have been drinking the koolaid for far too long.


Do you vote a straight party ticket, honestly?

Another thing, I would not take my marching orders from a guy who hired a hooker who made him wear a dog collar, while letting her listen in on conversations with Slick Willie. Slick he may be, Bill had no choice but to distance himself from this clown, and the stance he has now comes from being shoved outside Clintons circle of trust.

Sounds like resentment to me. Both parties are the reason this country is in the ****ter...make no mistake about it. The pubs COULD have come up with a counter proposal to Obamacare but failed and had to resort to bickering across the aisle.....you need to start pointing fingers at the GOP as well as the donks.

[delhalew]

Anyone other than an anti-establishment nutjob will let yo down.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

:gary:

^This is what you said, no mention of republicans in it and if you are blind enough to think for one minute that all the rotten eggs are in one party then you have been drinking the koolaid for far too long.


Do you vote a straight party ticket, honestly?

Another thing, I would not take my marching orders from a guy who hired a hooker who made him wear a dog collar, while letting her listen in on conversations with Slick Willie. Slick he may be, Bill had no choice but to distance himself from this clown, and the stance he has now comes from being shoved outside Clintons circle of trust.

Sounds like resentment to me. Both parties are the reason this country is in the ****ter...make no mistake about it.You have your mind made up about something wrong. I know what I said. YOU REPEATED WHAT I SAID. I NEVER said no republicans have done anything damaging to the country. Look again. What I said is that virtually ALL DEMOCRATS are on the wrong side of nearly everything, nowadays, and NONE OF THEM can be trusted. That was the point of Morris' article.

"Clintons circle of trust"...what a noble group!haha

[BudSooner]

You have your mind made up about something wrong. I know what I said. YOU REPEATED WHAT I SAID. I NEVER said no republicans have done anything damaging to the country. Look again. What I said is that virtually ALL DEMOCRATS are on the wrong side of nearly everything, nowadays, and NONE OF THEM can be trusted. That was the point of Morris' article.

"Clintons circle of trust"...what a noble group!haha

:rolleyes:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/dick_morris_is_still_mad_at_th.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200708150007

http://mediamatters.org/research/200405060002


His tenure on that campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_campaign) was cut short two months before the election, when it was revealed that he had allowed a prostitute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitute) to listen in on conversations with the President.From Wiki, but you can find this fact all over the internet since it was on the news for about 2 weeks.
Yeah, your right..Dickie boy is a man of integrity.

What i'm saying is you singled out one group....and not the whole group both sides donks/pubs.

If you had said "Both sides are a complete failure to the common good of this country" Yeah, damn right but to lay blame on one group is foolish at best.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

:rolleyes:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/06/dick_morris_is_still_mad_at_th.html

http://mediamatters.org/research/200708150007

http://mediamatters.org/research/200405060002

From Wiki, but you can find this fact all over the internet since it was on the news for about 2 weeks.
Yeah, your right..Dickie boy is a man of integrity.

What i'm saying is you singled out one group....and not the whole group both sides donks/pubs.

If you had said "Both sides are a complete failure to the common good of this country" Yeah, damn right but to lay blame on one group is foolish at best.I have stated several times I don't think the repubs are a lost cause, like the dems are. Heck, the dems' platform is even Big, Nannystate govt. There are MANY good repubs. There are FEW, Practically 0 good democrat politicians. They want socialism, by definition. IOW, I think your premise is wrong. (That is not to say that all repubs are good conservatives) Is it clear, yet?

[BudSooner]

I have stated several times I don't think the repubs are a lost cause, like the dems are. Heck, the dems' platform is even Big, Nannystate govt. There are MANY good repubs. There are FEW, Practically 0 good democrat politicians. They want socialism, by definition. IOW, I think your premise is wrong. (That is not to say that all repubs are good conservatives) Is it clear, yet?

I agree on your statement of the dems, 100% BUT, there needs to be reform on behalf of the republican party....more men like Coburn(who I admire greatly)Dan Boren(A dem)is another whom is a good example.

We need to get rid of the lifers in both houses, that would go a long way towards healing this country and preventing further damage like Obamacare.
Obama needs to pack his **** up, after this debacle there is NO way he gets a second term.

[delhalew]

I agree on your statement of the dems, 100% BUT, there needs to be reform on behalf of the republican party....more men like Coburn(who I admire greatly)Dan Boren(A dem)is another whom is a good example.

We need to get rid of the lifers in both houses, that would go a long way towards healing this country and preventing further damage like Obamacare.
Obama needs to pack his **** up, after this debacle there is NO way he gets a second term.

I agree.

[Scott D]

you two are silly, what we need is a list of people that has to be approved by cloney there to even run for political office much less serve in political office ;)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I agree on your statement of the dems, 100% BUT, there needs to be reform on behalf of the republican party....more men like Coburn(who I admire greatly)Dan Boren(A dem)is another whom is a good example.

We need to get rid of the lifers in both houses, that would go a long way towards healing this country and preventing further damage like Obamacare.
Obama needs to pack his **** up, after this debacle there is NO way he gets a second term. Time in office isn't necessarily a bad thing.(for example, Inhofe has been there a pretty good while, now, and still doing a good job. Mitch McConnell is another good long-timer) Just pick the most conservative R, and vote for him/her in the primary. (try to keep people like McCain, Lindsay Graham etc. off the R ticket)

[BudSooner]

Time in office isn't necessarily a bad thing.(for example, Inhofe has been there a pretty good while, now, and still doing a good job. Mitch McConnell is another good long-timer) Just pick the most conservative R, and vote for him/her in the primary. (try to keep people like McCain, Lindsay Graham etc. off the R ticket)

Inhofe ain't a lifer, Teddy was a lifer, Kerry is a lifer, Pelosi is a lifer. Jimmy boy is getting close but he's still got years to catch up.


Oh and Scott....bite me.:D

[texas bandman]

Then the King will answer "I tell you the truth, anything you did for even the least of my people here, you also did for me." Matthew 25 v 40

I don't mind the government trying to help the least of God's people. I do what I can as an individual, but there are things that our government can accomplish to help the "least of us" that I can't.

I'm sorry for all your bitterness and hate, Rush and I'll pray for you. But the bottom line is I read my Bible and vote according to how the scripture speaks to me.

Later in Matthew 25 v45, "Then the King will answer, I tell you the truth, anything you refused to do for even the least of my people here, you refused to do for me." v46 These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever.

I'm a Democrat and I'm proud that at least we are trying to help the least of our nation.

[Curly Bill]

Wow, that almost brought me to tears.

NOT!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Then the King will answer "I tell you the truth, anything you did for even the least of my people here, you also did for me." Matthew 25 v 40

I don't mind the government trying to help the least of God's people. I do what I can as an individual, but there are things that our government can accomplish to help the "least of us" that I can't.

I'm sorry for all your bitterness and hate, Rush and I'll pray for you. But the bottom line is I read my Bible and vote according to how the scripture speaks to me.

Later in Matthew 25 v45, "Then the King will answer, I tell you the truth, anything you refused to do for even the least of my people here, you refused to do for me." v46 These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever.

I'm a Democrat and I'm proud that at least we are trying to help the least of our nation.If you want a bunch of power-crazed, socialist-fascists to run your life and your country, you are the one that needs the prayers. (I am assuming you are sincere in what you said)

[BudSooner]

If you want a bunch of power-crazed, socialist-fascists to run your life and your country, you are the one that needs the prayers. (I am assuming you are sincere in what you said)
Back away from the keyboard and then breathe.

[OKLA21FAN]

by Dick Morris:

Let's begin our reaction to the passage of Obamacare by remembering Winston Churchill's famous formulation with which he introduced his war memoirs:
..........


did someone say Churchill???? :pop:

"The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all.
That is clear. Disease must be attacked, whether it occurs in the
poorest or the richest man or woman simply on the ground that it is the
enemy; and it must be attacked just in the same way as the fire brigade
will give its full assistance to the humblest cottage as readily as to
the most important mansion. Our policy is to create a national health
service in order to ensure that everybody in the country, irrespective
of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal opportunities to
benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services
available."
Winston Churchill -- March 1944

[BudSooner]

did someone say Churchill???? :pop:

"The discoveries of healing science must be the inheritance of all.
That is clear. Disease must be attacked, whether it occurs in the
poorest or the richest man or woman simply on the ground that it is the
enemy; and it must be attacked just in the same way as the fire brigade
will give its full assistance to the humblest cottage as readily as to
the most important mansion. Our policy is to create a national health
service in order to ensure that everybody in the country, irrespective
of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal opportunities to
benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services
available."
Winston Churchill -- March 1944
:D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

did someone say Churchill???? :pop:

"Our policy is to create a national health
service in order to ensure that everybody in the country, irrespective
of means, age, sex, or occupation, shall have equal opportunities to
benefit from the best and most up-to-date medical and allied services
available."
Winston Churchill -- March 1944Even Reagan made some mistakes.(amnesty, for one)

[C&CDean]

Then the King will answer "I tell you the truth, anything you did for even the least of my people here, you also did for me." Matthew 25 v 40

I don't mind the government trying to help the least of God's people. I do what I can as an individual, but there are things that our government can accomplish to help the "least of us" that I can't.

I'm sorry for all your bitterness and hate, Rush and I'll pray for you. But the bottom line is I read my Bible and vote according to how the scripture speaks to me.

Later in Matthew 25 v45, "Then the King will answer, I tell you the truth, anything you refused to do for even the least of my people here, you refused to do for me." v46 These people will go off to be punished forever, but the good people will go to live forever.

I'm a Democrat and I'm proud that at least we are trying to help the least of our nation.

You know what's always good for a laugh? Watching a gay loving, baby killing, panty-waist, pencil-necked birkenstocker, christian hating, criminal coddling pinko quote scripture. Cracks me up every single time.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You know what's always good for a laugh? Watching a gay loving, baby killing, panty-waist, pencil-necked birkenstocker, christian hating, criminal coddling pinko quote scripture. Cracks me up every single time.SURREAL