A Health Care Bill Pole

[olevetonahill]

Ok , Gonna make this anonymous.
Ya can say how you feel , i dont care . Just want to see how the percentages go .

[delhalew]

I exercised my civil liberties today. Thanks vet!
If only Congress had asked me what I thought:(

[Tulsa_Fireman]

First in, baby!

Healthcare is not a right. There. I said it.

It is a service provided by skilled individuals. Having a plumber clean out your sh*tter is not a right. Having an electrician replace a circuit breaker is not a right. Having a mechanic put new brakes on your pick-up is not a right.

Having quadruple bypass surgery by an amazingly skilled, educated, and experienced surgeon is not a right.

It is a service that's hamstrung by edicts of care and the oath sworn by all to tend care to those in need. The sad thing is that through the continued application of this premise, there are many who have taken advantage of the system which in turn burdens those who have bought the warranty on the product.

[My Opinion Matters]

Having my burning house extinguised by trained individuals is not a right.

[olevetonahill]

Its runnin 50/ 50 From every thing ive read here and other places i thot it would be more No votes

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Having my burning house extinguised by trained individuals is not a right.

You're right.

It's a service, bought and paid for by tax dollars collected from you by the appropriate agency responsible for fire prevention and control.

[1890MilesToNorman]

As of Saturday, 37 states had plans to challenge this fiasco of a bill.

I guess we are going to see how much socialism the American people can stomach, from my travels it ain't much more.

[olevetonahill]

Now the percentages are lining up more to what i had heard from around the web:cool:

[tommieharris91]

I'd seen a poll on CNN that the nation was about 60/40 against this bill/law.

Ohh, I'm actually not for this. I don't think it addresses the real causes of skyrocketing health care costs.

[olevetonahill]

A friend sent me this, I wanted to se what folks here thot . we lining up pretty much the way this pole said

March 22nd, 2010



This is from a liberally slanted news organization (MSNBC)…..



Out of over 700,000 votes………….



25.6%

Excited. It extends coverage to 32 million Americans who lack it and bans insurers from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. This is a tremendous step forward for the nation.

180,865 votes



67.2%

Angry. This legislation will harm the economy while mandating a government takeover of the health care system.

475,314 votes



6.3%

I don't know what to feel. I'm happy that more Americans will be insured, but don't think that anyone should be required to purchase coverage under the threat of costly penalties.

44,840 votes



0.9%

Other. Please sound off below.

6,287 votes



LOOK OUT COME NOVEMBER!!!

[BudSooner]

NO!

[landrun]

As of Saturday, 37 states had plans to challenge this fiasco of a bill.

I guess we are going to see how much socialism the American people can stomach, from my travels it ain't much more.

How many states would have to ratify a law to make it part of the constitution? If I remember correctly, the states can bypass the senate and amend the constitution without even getting congress involved. But I don't remember what percentage of states would have to agree to the same bill.

[1890MilesToNorman]

3/4's of the states to ratify an amendment. That's not what I'm talking about.

[BudSooner]

3/4's of the states to ratify an amendment. That's not what I'm talking about.
Well....whatchootalkinaboutwillis?:D

[1890MilesToNorman]

Challenging the Authority to shove this down the states throats and why certain states are exempt from this legislation. :D

[tommieharris91]

How many states would have to ratify a law to make it part of the constitution? If I remember correctly, the states can bypass the senate and amend the constitution without even getting congress involved. But I don't remember what percentage of states would have to agree to the same bill.

It's 2/3s.

[OU Adonis]

Its been awhile since we have had an amendment to the constitution.

[OU Adonis]

Challenging the Authority to shove this down the states throats and why certain states are exempt from this legislation. :D

Which unfortunately won't do anything. Federal law > State law.

Which sucks.

[1890MilesToNorman]

"A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States)."

Jes saying. :D

[SunnySooner]

What would the amendment be? "Congress shall not force citizens to buy healthcare coverage"?

Looks like the AG here in FL already has his lawsuit ready to go, heard this morning it would be filed today or tomorrow. What a mess. I don't think anyone (including Congress) knows enough about what's really in this bill to speak intelligently about how any of it will really work or what any long term effects might be. I am very interested to see how it affects the coming elections, however. I think those that voted for this pile of crap will come to regret it in November.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Sunny, I didn't talk about any amendment, I was referring to what Flawda and 36 others states are going to do. Others brought up the amendment stuff. If I proposed an amendment it would state the gubmint needs to read and comprehend the other dadgum amendments! But what's the point in that? They would ignore the last one as they do all the others. :D

[tommieharris91]

"A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States)."

Jes saying. :D

Your problem is that it has to go through Congress, and that request must come from either 2/3s of Congress itself or through 2/3s of state legislatures.

[olevetonahill]

Still runnin the way i spected .:pop:

[olevetonahill]

Has every one voted that wanted to ?

[swardboy]

Now, let me get this straight......we passed a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by apresident that also is exempt from it and hasn't read itand who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What the hell could possibly go wrong?

[85Sooner]

it said I already voted and I have not.

[SoonerInKCMO]

Meanwhile, nationally, more favor than oppose (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm).

[My Opinion Matters]

Meanwhile, nationally, more favor than oppose (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm).

See! It's working! He's already turned half of of all Americans into mindless socialist puppets! Rabble Rabble Rabble.

[olevetonahill]

Meanwhile, nationally, more favor than oppose (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm).

Thats Allsome . Wonder how come why for that is NOT showing up in any Pole ?



See! It's working! He's already turned half of of all Americans into mindless socialist puppets! Rabble Rabble Rabble.

Best I can see from the poles is its 3/4s of all Mericans
:P :D

[OULenexaman]

Meanwhile, nationally, more favor than oppose (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm).

just more horse**** in a newspaper.....

[hawaii 5-0]

Let's get rid of more public run services before it gets out of hand.

Get rid of Education

Get rid of Fire and Police Departments.

Get rid of Public Works, clean water, sewage, garbage disposal.

Get rid of the FDA. Do we need someone telling us what food and medicine is healthy ?

Get rid of the Department of Transportation. If I want to drive with hazardous waste in my car at 90 MPH I should be able to.


Get rid of Social Security. If people didn't bury money in their backyard or stash it in their mattress then they shouldn't deserve benifits after they turn 65.

It someone or their child gets cancer, has to sell their house because their health insurance was denied it's just too baaad. It's not MY problem.

Let's lock the ER doors. If someone doesn't have insurance they don't deserve to live anyway. Let's all buy guns, wait for them outside hospital ERs and form Death Panels on the spot.



Who needs any of that ???

[olevetonahill]

Let's get rid of more public run services before it gets out of hand.

Get rid of Education

Get rid of Fire and Police Departments.

Get rid of Public Works, clean water, sewage, garbage disposal.

Get rid of the FDA. Do we need someone telling us what food and medicine is healthy ?

Get rid of the Department of Transportation. If I want to drive with hazardous waste in my car at 90 MPH I should be able to.


Get rid of Social Security. If people didn't bury money in their backyard or stash it in their mattress then they shouldn't deserve benifits after they turn 65.

It someone or their child gets cancer, has to sell their house because their health insurance was denied it's just too baaad. It's not MY problem.

Let's lock the ER doors. If someone doesn't have insurance they don't deserve to live anyway. Let's all buy guns, wait for them outside hospital ERs and form Death Panels on the spot.



Who needs any of that ???

No one said "Get rid of anything "
its a simple pole
You sound like a typical Far Lefty screamin about the wacked out Far righties
If Both far sides would STFU we might be able to get this country back on track :rolleyes:

[hawaii 5-0]

Actually I'm a moderate. Just presenting some of the madness out there.

I'm all for working together on a solution that pleases most of us.

I'm NOT just doing nothing while the Health Insurers and Drug Companies scam us and laugh all the way to the bank while honest people can't get health insurance.

[olevetonahill]

Actually I'm a moderate. Just presenting some of the madness out there.

I'm all for working together on a solution that pleases most of us.

I'm NOT just doing nothing while the Health Insurers and Drug Companies scam us and laugh all the way to the bank while honest people can't get health insurance.

Just ask em , Every body is a Moderate.
They just Far left Moderate or Far right Moderate :eek:

[hawaii 5-0]

Just ask em , Every body is a Moderate.
They just Far left Moderate or Far right Moderate :eek:



True 'dat. It just depends on the issue. :rolleyes:


:cool: 5-0

[JLEW1818]

I'm far right on every issue.

[sooneron]

You're right.

It's a service, bought and paid for by tax dollars collected from you by the appropriate agency responsible for fire prevention and control.

Just curious, because I think there is far too much bs in the bill, therefore, I think it's bs, but does the person making 22k a year and renting an apt not deserve to have the FD come put out the fire? I'm willing to bet their rent barely goes to taxes collected for such services as does their meager income as it is taxed by the state.

And do you really equate someone with a backed up ****ter at home with someone that has a life or death situation? Cuz if you do, I'm glad that I don't have to depend on you in my town's FD.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm far right on every issue.

Not really...If you were far right on every issue you'd have to give up your porn, premarital sex, and excessive drinking. :D

[olevetonahill]

Not really...If you were far right on every issue you'd have to give up your porn, premarital sex, and excessive drinking. :D

I must be FAR right then or Far OLD :eek:

[btk108]

Having my burning house extinguised by trained individuals is not a right.

You're exactly right..and if you're like the majority of Oklahomans, you have a volunteer dept and we DON"T have to show up, but we do! As far as the "trained individuals", volunteers take the same training as paid firefighters, on their own time, with no reimbursement. The only credit recieved was a pat on the back and a $200-400 state tax credit, which they are now trying to repeal.

[btk108]

Just curious, because I think there is far too much bs in the bill, therefore, I think it's bs, but does the person making 22k a year and renting an apt not deserve to have the FD come put out the fire? I'm willing to bet their rent barely goes to taxes collected for such services as does their meager income as it is taxed by the state.

And do you really equate someone with a backed up ****ter at home with someone that has a life or death situation? Cuz if you do, I'm glad that I don't have to depend on you in my town's FD.

read my post from earlier.

[Collier11]

Meanwhile, nationally, more favor than oppose (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm).

not true...at best in any poll its not even 50% of the country that approves

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126959/Majority-Poor-Young-Uninsured-Back-Healthcare-Bill.aspx

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/49_support_state_lawsuits_against_health_care_plan

[Collier11]

btw, anyone else notice how congress is approaching all time lows as far as approval ratings yet they push through a vote on such a big issue which was only approved by 7 votes...makes perfect sense

[btk108]

"more favor than oppose"....what..are you counting the illegals?

[stoopified]

Now, let me get this straight......we passed a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by apresident that also is exempt from it and hasn't read itand who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What the hell could possibly go wrong?I'm sorry.what's your point? :D
Surely you can see the wisdom of this clusterfuc.....

[Crucifax Autumn]

not true...at best in any poll its not even 50% of the country that approves

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126959/Majority-Poor-Young-Uninsured-Back-Healthcare-Bill.aspx

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/49_support_state_lawsuits_against_health_care_plan

Technically it IS true, at least according to the poll he linked, despite not being 50%...it's 49%-40%, with the rest having no opinion.


WASHINGTON — More Americans now favor than oppose the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against the legislation.
By 49%-40%, those polled say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms — as "enthusiastic" or "pleased" — while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

The largest single group, 48%, calls the legislation "a good first step" that needs to be followed by more action. And 4% say the bill itself makes the most important changes needed in the nation's health care system.


48% say good first step, more needed now, 4% say the important changes are in it, 31% say wrong type of changes, 8% say no changes needed, and that 10% of morons say "no opinion"!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

As for congressional approval, it's going both ways:


No one gets overwhelmingly positive ratings on the issue, but Obama fares the best: 46% say his work has been excellent or good; 31% call it poor. For congressional Democrats, 32% call their efforts on health care excellent or good; 33% poor.

Congressional Republicans, all of whom voted against the bill, are viewed more negatively. Although 26% of those surveyed rate the GOP's effort as excellent or good, 34% say it has been poor.


So basically, less than half of people think anyone's worth a shat! :eek:

[BudSooner]

Technically it IS true, at least according to the poll he linked, despite not being 50%...it's 49%-40%, with the rest having no opinion.



48% say good first step, more needed now, 4% say the important changes are in it, 31% say wrong type of changes, 8% say no changes needed, and that 10% of morons say "no opinion"!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

As for congressional approval, it's going both ways:



So basically, less than half of people think anyone's worth a shat! :eek:
You are surprised?:D

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm not surprised at all. I can tell by talking to all manner of people, that the split on this shat is pretty close to even.

[1890MilesToNorman]

You guys wanna pay fer eye surgery for me? How about $3k for ONE brand new tooth fer me? Are these things covered? I have chosen not to have these two things done but if you guys wanna pay for it let me know and I'll schedule an appointment. The GF could use some new boobs too so maybe you guys would enjoy paying fer them? We chose not to have them done cause the old ones ain't completely worn out yet.

[Crucifax Autumn]

We chose not to have them done cause the old ones ain't completely worn out yet.

Come on man...you know the really smart move. Keep the old ones and add an extra pair under them or on her back.

[1890MilesToNorman]

Come on man...you know the really smart move. Keep the old ones and add an extra pair under them or on her back.

Brilliant, that's why we keep you around Cru. :D

[Crucifax Autumn]

If you need mock-ups, just email the last naked photoshoot you did of her.

[1890MilesToNorman]

You trying to fark my GF?

[1890MilesToNorman]

She would kill me if I sent you a photo so I'll just send the video.

[OklahomaTuba]

Oops, now 55% want it repealed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/55_favor_repeal_of_health_care_bill

[My Opinion Matters]

Oops, now 55% want it repealed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/55_favor_repeal_of_health_care_bill


All these conflicting polls...how will I ever be able to make a decision on an issue if there's not an aggregate consensus opinion to tell me what to think?!

[tommieharris91]

All these conflicting polls...how will I ever be able to make a decision on an issue if there's not an aggregate consensus opinion to tell me what to think?!

Well, there is. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)

[My Opinion Matters]

Well, there is. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)

None of those polls were conducted by BRR. I remain unconvinced.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Well, there is. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)

I'm not gonna say that isn't accurate, but they are also all over a week old. The last week the approval has trended upward. I think it will even out in the long run and be a pure split.

[Collier11]

I'm not gonna say that isn't accurate, but they are also all over a week old. The last week the approval has trended upward. I think it will even out in the long run and be a pure split.

So having said that in your opinion it will be a 50/50 split when all is said and done, couple that with the fact that this was only approved by a 7 vote majority, dont you see why this maybe should have been sent back to the table? Something that so directly affects the everyday life of Americans should be worth more than a push through vote

[Crucifax Autumn]

I can see what you are saying, but at the same time I don't see every other vote/law/bill having to get more than a majority vote.

Seriously...I don't see what is either so bad or so good that it should inspire a national debate like this.

[Collier11]

probably more than anything it just feels like it was bullied thru as opposed to working on something that would be more agreeable on both sides

[Crucifax Autumn]

No one on either side wanted to work together, despite their claims.

[Collier11]

now then, thats the issue...thats why we need to get rid of all the M'Fers and start over. Let them know as voters that we are sick of this sh*t

[Crucifax Autumn]

I agree, and so does everyone else on both sides. Problem is, they agree right up to "their guy". Incumbents almost always win, even when the majority thinks they should all go and Congress has a 16% approval. It's really rare too see a dramatic shift in power. I bet even you think they all oughtta go, but think your rep is cool. That's how it is in every other district too..."Our guy rocks, but let's roll the rest of these bastards!"

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Just curious, because I think there is far too much bs in the bill, therefore, I think it's bs, but does the person making 22k a year and renting an apt not deserve to have the FD come put out the fire? I'm willing to bet their rent barely goes to taxes collected for such services as does their meager income as it is taxed by the state.

And do you really equate someone with a backed up ****ter at home with someone that has a life or death situation? Cuz if you do, I'm glad that I don't have to depend on you in my town's FD.

Late to respond to this, but it deserves a response. Apologies if you miss it. Let me address both scenarios posited to explain.

In the state of Oklahoma, there are two major options for fire protection. One, the state statute mandated fire protection agency established by all incorporated municipalities. Secondly, volunteer agencies again established by state statute with coverage determined by a number of factors, including citizen petition, "club" formation where participation within is established through organization, and a few others. The latter, upon the union of existing fire protections agencies through petition to the state, can form a "fire protection district" which in turn, provides one of only two options for a fire protection agency to qualify for the collection of ad valorem dollars, AKA property tax. The other allowance under state statute is agencies that provide EMS transport services which is restricted to EMS transport operations and independent of agency providing the service, but to my understanding, only qualifying should said service be provided by the municipality as opposed to establishment through trust, private entity, or 3rd party personnel provisions. Bear with me here, we're through the hard part.

That leaves the majority of fire protection agencies in incorporated municipalities in the state of Oklahoma with a single funding source. Sales tax. As is restricted by state law. Therefore, not only is their rent not part of the equation, neither is their income. Their "contract" (and I use the term loosely) exists by the virtue of their residence within the municipality that is obligated by state statute to provide fire protection. The service is paid for through their purchases within the municipality. Which in long form means...

The service is bought and paid for. And it IS a service. We DO have customers. And they pay for that service every time they buy a gallon of milk, a loaf of bread, et cetera. So yes, they DO deserve the service they receive and last time I checked, we're happy to give it.

[Boarder]

As of right now, the vote seems to be running about 10% honest people.

[JLEW1818]

would u let Pelosi sit on your face? if it meant the bill would die?

i would let her sit on my face and enjoy it

[Boarder]

That's a whole 'nother pole.

[JLEW1818]

Pelosi's daugher is highly underrated in terms of spooning material

[Collier11]

Pelosi's daugher is highly underrated in terms of spooning material

Her, really?

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pelosi_011107_252x190.jpg

[JLEW1818]

she has that nerdy slut look

[Collier11]

kinda like you :D

[olevetonahill]

Her, really?

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pelosi_011107_252x190.jpg

Her tits look like they trying to catch her mommas headin south :eek:

[Tulsa_Fireman]

PIITB

[sooneron]

Dude, that's all you got? I have an idea! Due to our household income, I think those slackers that earn less than 80k in our town should enjoy "slower fire engines". You know, they are way below the average line where where I live FWIW> There's the ticket! Yeah, I should be a repub, seeing as how we are the true base of the party! You know, the "base" that the party really cares about, not panders to... Not the pro life tea partyers that barely scrape by and watch Glenn Beck or the like, but the REAL base of the party. Wall Street, not Main Street. I'm sick of you slackers and the like that act like big shots throwing dollar bills (like you're a somebody) at a Parkinsons patient that wants health care. Good God, I would have thrown twenties at him, you losers! I can buy cigars with Rush and the like and you rubes can have your Marlboro Reds. As a matter of fact, I want everyone that makes less than our house to have less access to necessities than I do. ****ing slackers!

[Rogue]

I'm surprised some people are so opposed as to threaten representatives.

Video linkage (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36031649#36031649)

[SoonerInKCMO]

not true...at best in any poll its not even 50% of the country that approves

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126959/Majority-Poor-Young-Uninsured-Back-Healthcare-Bill.aspx

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/49_support_state_lawsuits_against_health_care_plan

The first poll you linked to showed 49% think it's a "good thing" and 40% think it's a "bad thing". Last I checked, 49 > 40.

[Collier11]

I said, if you would read my statement that you quoted that there isnt a poll out there that 50% of the country approves of the HC bill. That means not even half of the country approve of a bill that was forced down our throats, a bill that directly affects everyone, that is not representing the will of the people

[SoonerInKCMO]

What you said is that what I said wasn't true. What I said was true.

Nyah-nyah. ;)

[Collier11]

true but you were misrepresenting my initial statement, therefore you were wrong...halfway ;)

[Crucifax Autumn]

Thanks to morons that "have no opinion" or "don't know enough about it" there are rarely any polls anymore with a clear majority in favor of ANYTHING!

[Collier11]

Oh really...have you seen the approval rating for congress lately?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126809/Obama-Approval-Rating-Lowest-Yet-Congress-Declines.aspx

[Crucifax Autumn]

Heh...notice I said "rarely".