Wonderfull..Obamacare may be shoved up our A$$

[OULenexaman]

The backroom deals are being made tonight....the vote is tomorrow.....Bill Clinton has been recruited....what next???.....this is the Chicago way of politics in its finest form....I'm sick of it.....:mad: :mad: :mad:

[bonkuba]

I never thought it would happen. I thought folks would wise up.....well I think they did but their reps are screwing up.

I think the whole load is BS......pub, dem....all of 'em. They all suck. I don't want my taxes to go up AT ALL!! Hell, they should be going down.......I don't give a **** if some stupid bastard cant pay for their insurance or doctor visit. Work for it...like I did.....then pay for it. I know the insurance companies are bad ($$)......but it isn't all them....it is a giant circle jerk of gigantic proportions. Fix the whole ****ing thing or dont **** with it at all.....just making it worse by having my kids grandchildren paying for this stupid crap.

This stupid **** makes my head hurt. I hope every stupid bastard that votes for this **** gets their *** canned by being voted out next time around. I actually hope that they all die a horrible death...but I thought my health care might go up after paying for their hospital stays outta my tax dollars.....worthless bastards.

Other than that....all is well :D

[OULenexaman]

The crap I have seen on CNN tonight.....Pelosi marching hand in hand with Obama.....Bill Clinton involved with undecided dems to help out Obamacare pass...it is disgusting.....Chicago way politics at it's finest....

[GKeeper316]

its not perfect, but its a start.

rome wasnt built in a day. we try this, if it doesnt work out we change it again and keep changing it till it does work.

allowing it to remain as is is a greater crime.

[Leroy Lizard]

rome wasnt built in a day. we try this, if it doesnt work out we change it again and keep changing it till it does work.

Socialist programs of this size are difficult to fix.

Why not spend more time and create a good system from the start --- one that has more widespread support?

But wait, this is more about Obama's image, isn't it?

[Collier11]

Exactly, scrap it and start over and figure it out...thats their ****ing job

[SoonerBorn68]

its not perfect, but its a start.

rome wasnt built in a day. we try this, if it doesnt work out we change it again and keep changing it till it does work.

allowing it to remain as is is a greater crime.

Hey, we could do the same with immigration. But, instead of giving all the illegals amnesty, we could line them all up against the wall and shoot them.

It's not perfect, but it's a start. :rolleyes:

2000+ pages that will "change America". When does the 216 + 60 +1 impeachments begin?

[yankee]

rome wasnt built in a day. we try this, if it doesnt work out we change it again and keep changing it till it does work.



oh yeah, let's keep changing our nation's healthcare plan every 4 years...great ****ing idea.

[yankee]

Socialist programs of this size are difficult to fix.

Why not spend more time and create a good system from the start --- one that has more widespread support?

But wait, this is more about Obama's image, isn't it?

yes, yes, and yes.

[GKeeper316]

so basically what you both are saying is that our elected officials should force private industry into a system that is more beneficial to the general populace?

that isnt very conservative of you.

[Leroy Lizard]

so basically what you both are saying is that our elected officials should force private industry into a system that is more beneficial to the general populace?

Where did that come from?

[delhalew]

so basically what you both are saying is that our elected officials should force private industry into a system that is more beneficial to the general populace?

that isnt very conservative of you.

?????????

[Flagstaffsooner]

Hey, we could do the same with immigration. But, instead of giving all the illegals amnesty, we could line them all up against the wall and shoot them.

It's not perfect, but it's a start. :rolleyes:

2000+ pages that will "change America". When does the 216 + 60 +1 impeachments begin?
Lets start with Juan.

[Ardmore_Sooner]

its not perfect, but its a start.

rome wasnt built in a day. we try this, if it doesnt work out we change it again and keep changing it till it does work.

allowing it to remain as is is a greater crime.

Please don't compare the great Republic of Rome to the debacle of a government we have in this country.

[ndpruitt03]

I'm still trying to figure out why I need health care. I haven't been in a doctors office since I was too young to remember outside of getting shots I had to get for school or something. I don't have a reason to accept the governments health care and I won't.

[yankee]

so basically what you both are saying is that our elected officials should force private industry into a system that is more beneficial to the general populace?

that isnt very conservative of you.

yes, because that's EXACTLY what i said.

[walkoffsooner]

Just think of it as a WMD! We have done that witch hunt before and move on. At least we wont lose thousands of men in this scam.

[Harry Beanbag]

I'm gonna buy a new gun this week just to make myself feel a little better. :D

[Leroy Lizard]

Please don't compare the great Republic of Rome to the debacle of a government we have in this country.

Actually, the comparison is quite fitting. Well, maybe not the BUILDING of Rome.


Just think of it as a WMD! We have done that witch hunt before and move on.

Exactly how are we going to "move on" here?

[Harry Beanbag]

Exactly how are we going to "move on" here?

http://www.moveon.org/

[swardboy]

I'm still trying to figure out why I need health care. I haven't been in a doctors office since I was too young to remember outside of getting shots I had to get for school or something. I don't have a reason to accept the governments health care and I won't.

OH yes you will. People without some kind of coverage will be sought out by the new 16,000 IRS employees under the plan, and fined $3,000 or jailed.

Thank you massa Obama.....

[Leroy Lizard]

Jailed because you didn't buy something for yourself.

[Collier11]

I think there is a possible fine, not sure about being jailed?

[Leroy Lizard]

I think you're right. From what I understand, they will simply confiscate your money.

[OUinFLA]

we have money?

[Leroy Lizard]

The government is letting you use it temporarily.

[ndpruitt03]

All you have to do is pay the fine and never use health care again. The system will probably go broke within 20 years and it'll have to be replaced. This isn't SS which was meant to use a small population from the start this is trying to put 300 million people in one system. This isn't allowed to work. You can't put that many people on a system and try and spend money on them and have it work it'll fall apart.

[Leroy Lizard]

You can't fix it, because once you lead people to the federal trough they become too dependent on the government to walk away.

We only have one hope: Take over both houses and vote it away before it does too much damage.

[ndpruitt03]

Let's say the government wanted to pay off everyone's health care that's 7k a year for 300 million people. You realize that if they try and pay for this that's 21 trillion dollars a year. Even if they find ways to get it lower to say 5k or 3k a year it's still around 9-15 trillion a year. That's not sustainable.

[Scott D]

by now you have to be used to the regular enemas the government has been giving you since you were a toddler.

[Leroy Lizard]

ndpruitt, it sounds like you just don't care about the poor, the downtrodden, the disenfranchised. You probably even own a business. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Collier11]

you dont know nick very well, I would be shocked if he ever owned a business, lol

[OULenexaman]

the voting is going on now.....on a sunday night???.......what a friggin joke...The Chicago way of politics at it's finest.....I hope the Senate has a way of stopping this ram rodded bill down our throat....

[JohnnyMack]

you dont know nick very well, I would be shocked if he ever owned a business, lol

I'd be shocked if he lived anywhere other than his parents' basement.

[soonerinabilene]

I'd be shocked if he lived anywhere other than chuck long's ***.
fixed.

[Sooner Eclipse]

Just think of it as a WMD! We have done that witch hunt before and move on. At least we wont lose thousands of men in this scam.

This debacle will kill millions more than any war. Its likely to kill your grandparent early and your parents as well. Years of life will be stolen from all of us.

[soonervegas]

This all might sound a little more legit if you all hadn't been kneeling while W and Fox slid a unneeded and costly war down your eager throats.

[SicEmBaylor]

It just passed. I for one welcome our new socialist medical overlords.

Final vote tally was 219-212 with 34 Dems voting NAY and 0 Republicans voting YEA.

[PrideTrombone]

I thought we'd have our first ever board meltdown NOT following an OU football loss.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

It just passed. I for one welcome our new socialist medical overlords.

Final vote tally was 219-212 with 34 Dems voting NAY and 0 Republicans voting YEA.I would think that most of those 34 dems who voted Nay would have preferred to vote yea, but were given political cover by the dem party, to help with re-election.

[JLEW1818]

why the **** did you idiots vote for this pos ?


OHHHH LOOK AT ME!! I'M 22 AND I CAN AFFORD MY OWN ****! DON'T HAVE ****ING KIDS IF U CAN'T SUPPORT THEM

[Sooner5030]

To date, Government services have exceeded tax receipts by over $10 trillion. Add to that the rate of increasing this debt has increased in the last two years. Our largest line item expense will one day be the interest expense on that debt.

All this......+8% unemployment and stagnant GDP and our biggest debate and headliner legislation is to provide more government services?

The only good news is that I now believe the only way this corrects itself is naturally....it will be painful but eventually we will default or no one other than SS will loan the US gubment any money.

That's probably the only way we go back to a meritocracy.

[yankee]

****ing a. i knew that damn devil bitch pelosi would bring just enough over to the dark side. god i hope this obamacare fails to epic proportions.

[JLEW1818]

i still wanna poke Pelosi's daughter

[SicEmBaylor]

I would think that most of those 34 dems who voted Nay would have preferred to vote yea, but were given political cover by the dem party, to help with re-election.

Does it matter?

[Sooner Eclipse]

Does it matter?

No, vote all the comrades out.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Does it matter?In case you were starting to feel the love for any of their smarmy asses

[SicEmBaylor]

In case you were starting to feel the love for any of their smarmy asses

I feel more love for them than I do the Republicans who voted in favor of the Republican expansion of Medicare and the creation of (up until today) the largest new entitlement program since LBJ's Great Society.

[JLEW1818]

SPEND THAT MONEY BABY!!!! IT'S JUST ****ING PAPER

[ndpruitt03]

Why would a health 20 something year old person need health care? I'm going to have to pay for something I may not even use till I'm 60 something years old.

[lexsooner]

Why would a health 20 something year old person need health care? I'm going to have to pay for something I may not even use till I'm 60 something years old.

In case a Miller Light beer trucks broad sides your car (which I hope does not happen).

[ndpruitt03]

If that happens I'm probably dead I won't need health insurance at all when I'm dead. My point is why are people taxed for something that a lot of people just don't want. I understand why we are taxed for some things like Police, Firefighters etc but health care is a want not a need. It's not necessary.

[lexsooner]

If that happens I'm probably dead I won't need health insurance at all when I'm dead. My point is why are people taxed for something that a lot of people just don't want. I understand why we are taxed for some things like Police, Firefighters etc but health care is a want not a need. It's not necessary.

See, lots of people your age think that, but the point is life and your health are terribly fragile things. How many close calls have you had while driving? Suppose it's a Ford Focus which hits your car and you are paralyzed. God forbid, of course, but if you don't think you need coverage, I beg to differ. There are a myriad of laws requiring drivers, homeowners, business owners, etc. to carry insurance, but it's ok for individuals to not have health insurance if you don't want it? I think there is a greater responsibility to your fellow citizens, which is certainly a rationale for requiring other forms of insurance.

[Ike]

If that happens I'm probably dead I won't need health insurance at all when I'm dead. My point is why are people taxed for something that a lot of people just don't want. I understand why we are taxed for some things like Police, Firefighters etc but health care is a want not a need. It's not necessary.

Here's why, as a young person you need heath insurance. It has nothing to do with how healthy you think you are. It's because the people who do have insurance go to the doctor, some of them very often. In doing so, they are driving up costs. Costs of doctors visits, costs of hospital stays, costs of insurance. People without health insurance are going to the emergency room, and often times skipping out on the bill once they see the outrageous costs, further driving up costs. If young people aren't getting health insurance, then the costs of insurance go up even faster. Meaning that when you do decide you need health insurance, if young people aren't buying it, then its even more likely you won't be able to afford it.

The other reason has to do with the dreaded "pre-existing condition". If you were to develop cancer tomorrow, nobody would ever sell you insurance. You are too high a cost. There are a million other things too that they can consider pre-existing conditions.

But not under this bill...they have to get rid of that language. But the only way to not have health insurance costs spiral completely out of control without pre existing condition language, is to mandate that everyone buys in. Otherwise people will just wait until they develop a preexisting condition to buy in.

[ndpruitt03]

See, lots of people your age think that, but the point is life and your health are terribly fragile things. How many close calls have you had while driving? Suppose it's a Ford Focus which hits your car and you are paralyzed. God forbid, of course, but if you don't think you need coverage, I beg to differ. There are a myriad of laws requiring drivers, homeowners, business owners, etc. to carry insurance, but it's ok for individuals to not have health insurance if you don't want it? I think there is a greater responsibility to your fellow citizens, which is certainly a rationale for requiring other forms of insurance.
Those other insurances are probably more worth it. Health insurance isn't really worth what you get though. It won't be with this bill. Why pay 5,000 dollars a year for something you don't use. Car insurance and other types of insurance are relatively cheap mostly because they are market driven. This will not be market driven.

[ndpruitt03]

I can understand why people with some condition or another like diabetes, asthma or heart conditions or other diseases have health insurance but it's not worth the money for people that are healthy to have health insurance that they will not likely use. It's actually cheaper for me to go without health insurance and just pay for it if I ever need it.

[GKeeper316]

Why would a health 20 something year old person need health care? I'm going to have to pay for something I may not even use till I'm 60 something years old.

because appendices rupture and if you dont get surgery right away, you die.

because brain annurisms develop and if gone untreated, kill you.

because 20 somethings get cancer, which, if it goes untreated, you die. no joke i work with a guy whose 26 year old wife had a double mastectomy last year when her doctors found a malignant mass. now shes back in chemo because they didnt get it all the first time.

you have no idea what tomorrow brings, and if you want to go through life unprepared, thats your business, but people like you are the reason our costs are so high in the first ****ing place. lets say you get some ****ed up condition that will kill you if it goes untreated. you get fixed having no health care, and just passed all your medical care costs on to the rest of us.

thats why you need coverage.

[Ike]

I can understand why people with some condition or another like diabetes, asthma or heart conditions or other diseases have health insurance but it's not worth the money for people that are healthy to have health insurance that they will not likely use. It's actually cheaper for me to go without health insurance and just pay for it if I ever need it.

unless (god forbid) in the near future you develop one of the many many conditions that may forever preclude you from ever obtaining insurance. In that case, you'll either go broke, or live in horrible agony, or die. But most likely, it will be all 3 of those.

[tommieharris91]

Why would a health 20 something year old person need health care? I'm going to have to pay for something I may not even use till I'm 60 something years old.

Judging by your picture, Nick, I'd get a policy while it's still cheap.

[swardboy]

because appendices rupture and if you dont get surgery right away, you die.

because brain annurisms develop and if gone untreated, kill you.

because 20 somethings get cancer, which, if it goes untreated, you die. no joke i work with a guy whose 26 year old wife had a double mastectomy last year when her doctors found a malignant mass. now shes back in chemo because they didnt get it all the first time.

you have no idea what tomorrow brings, and if you want to go through life unprepared, thats your business, but people like you are the reason our costs are so high in the first ****ing place. lets say you get some ****ed up condition that will kill you if it goes untreated. you get fixed having no health care, and just passed all your medical care costs on to the rest of us.

thats why you need coverage.

ANYONE whose appendix ruptures or who has a brain aneuryism WILL get immediate life-preserving attention, regardless of insurance status. Hospitals are MANDATED to give life-saving attention to anyone who crosses its threshold....insurance be damned.

[Fraggle145]

ANYONE whose appendix ruptures or who has a brain aneuryism WILL get immediate life-preserving attention, regardless of insurance status. Hospitals are MANDATED to give life-saving attention to anyone who crosses its threshold....insurance be damned.

Who pays for that?

[GKeeper316]

ANYONE whose appendix ruptures or who has a brain aneuryism WILL get immediate life-preserving attention, regardless of insurance status. Hospitals are MANDATED to give life-saving attention to anyone who crosses its threshold....insurance be damned.

ya and if said person has no coverage, the rest of us pay for it. that was entirely my point.

[JohnnyMack]

Who pays for that?

*waves*

[Ike]

ANYONE whose appendix ruptures or who has a brain aneuryism WILL get immediate life-preserving attention, regardless of insurance status. Hospitals are MANDATED to give life-saving attention to anyone who crosses its threshold....insurance be damned.

thats true...but at some point you get to a fuzzy line of what is life-saving and what is not. Not being a medical professional and having no great knowledge of medical conditions that can apply means I have to pull a hypothetical situation out of my ***.

Say you suddenly develop some weird symptoms and have no insurance. But because they are so weird, you decide to suck the costs and go to a doctor. He says you have condition X, which will kill you in 5 years unless you undergo treatment every year. The treatment will set you back about a grand, plus the cost of a 2 day hospital stay, and can keep you alive for about as long as you would naturally live. But if you miss treatments for more than 2 years, there's not much they can do. In the last few days, they could give you emergency treatment that would delay death by a few days, but thats about it, and it would cost many times more what the normal treatment would cost. (sureley there is something resembling this in the real world, no? maybe, maybe not).

Anyway, if you have no insurance, would a hospital consider giving the 'normal' treatment to be a life-saving measure? Or would they only consider the emergency treatment a life-saving measure?

I honestly have no idea, which is why I ask. I would guess that they would only consider the emergency treatment a life-saving measure. And I am sure insurance companies would have it on their pre-existing condition list.

[Scott D]

Nick using your base argument, why should you bother carrying Auto, Homeowners/Renters, or Life insurance? I mean you're a 20something. Clearly you're the best drivers, and nothing could ever possibly happen to your home.

The reality outweighs the perception, and the concept is to be prepared. It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

[ndpruitt03]

Those are more worth it because they are relatively cheap and there's a lot better chance I get in a fender bender than I get sick with some disease or get hurt enough to go to a hospital. As for life insurance I don't see the point of that unless you have kids or are married.

[lexsooner]

Nick using your base argument, why should you bother carrying Auto, Homeowners/Renters, or Life insurance? I mean you're a 20something. Clearly you're the best drivers, and nothing could ever possibly happen to your home.

The reality outweighs the perception, and the concept is to be prepared. It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

I'm not sure an early 20s male is in the best driver category. Those young dudes speed and tailgate you even driving a little beat-up subcompact. Your point is well-taken, though.

[sooner59]

Those are more worth it because they are relatively cheap and there's a lot better chance I get in a fender bender than I get sick with some disease or get hurt enough to go to a hospital. As for life insurance I don't see the point of that unless you have kids or are married.

Because one day you might want to get married and have kids. If you are young and healthy like you say you are, then right now you will get the most bang for your buck in life coverage. Same idea as health insurance. If tomorrow something bad happens to you, you will be less likely to get approved for the coverage you would want in the future. Or you can pay insanely high premiums. On the other hand, you could get a decent life plan now and pay fractions of what it would cost you in the future. Premiums do not go up once something bad happens to you if you already have life insurance. You would already be locked into it. If they tried to raise it after the fact, you could sue them. I used to sell life insurance. It sucked having to tell people we couldn't cover them because they already had stuff wrong with them, and if we could cover them, they couldn't afford it......or they had to take out a tiny coverage plan that barely covered their funeral. If you wait until you are 60 to buy health and life insurance, you are going to be **** out of luck. Yeah you can maybe get it, but that and bologna sandwiches are all you will be able to afford.

[OULenexaman]

this dude thinks his health will forever remain bullet proof until he's over 50...that thinking is insane....

[Collier11]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100322/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_states

[ndpruitt03]

this dude thinks his health will forever remain bullet proof until he's over 50...that thinking is insane....

90% of most 20-30 or older should feel this way. You know how many times I've been in a hospital the last 10 years? And I was on health care till I was like 21. The answer was zero. So after I turned 21 I told my parents it was a waste of money to put me on health care and I haven't been on it since. Still haven't been in a hospital for any reason. Sure I've had the flu or something minor like that, but why go to the hospital for something small like that.

[tommieharris91]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100322/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_states

I'm sure Oklahoma will join in.

[SoonerJack]

90% of most 20-30 or older should feel this way. You know how many times I've been in a hospital the last 10 years? And I was on health care till I was like 21. The answer was zero. So after I turned 21 I told my parents it was a waste of money to put me on health care and I haven't been on it since. Still haven't been in a hospital for any reason. Sure I've had the flu or something minor like that, but why go to the hospital for something small like that.

Way to go man. With a track record like that you should never need any sort of medical care. Go you!!!

By the way, how are your stopping time experiments coming along?

[PDXsooner]

The backroom deals are being made tonight....the vote is tomorrow.....Bill Clinton has been recruited....what next???.....this is the Chicago way of politics in its finest form....I'm sick of it.....:mad: :mad: :mad:

then you had better refrain from voting for anyone that has a (D) or an (R) by your name or you're in for more...

ron paul, ralph nader, whatever floats your boat...but it ain't gonna change until we demand it.

i know paul's a republican but he's the type that won't fear his party...

[OULenexaman]

I really shouldn't waste my time typing this...but consider what I have seen here....in Chicago for just a short 5 years...you probably would not get it or understand....therefore I won't..

[JLEW1818]

can we get free condoms?

[soonerscuba]

So after I turned 21 I told my parents it was a waste of money to put me on health care and I haven't been on it since.So, while you remained eligible, your parents dropped you from their insurance at your request, to save a few bucks?

[OULenexaman]

can we get free condoms?

nope....not covered....no pun there:D

[Ike]

I really shouldn't waste my time typing this...but consider what I have seen here....in Chicago for just a short 5 years...you probably would not get it or understand....therefore I won't..

Ya know, I just moved back from Chicago after 7 years there. Basically all of blagos term. And from what I see, this is nothing like Chicago politics. If this was like Chicago politics, he'd send the FBI in to raid the offices of every major insurer in the middle of the night. Then he'd say that because there are no insurers around, it is necessary to create a single payer system overnight in an emergency vote.

[jkjsooner]

90% of most 20-30 or older should feel this way. You know how many times I've been in a hospital the last 10 years? And I was on health care till I was like 21. The answer was zero. So after I turned 21 I told my parents it was a waste of money to put me on health care and I haven't been on it since. Still haven't been in a hospital for any reason. Sure I've had the flu or something minor like that, but why go to the hospital for something small like that.

Years ago I was talking to a 20 something coworker. Since he was a contractor he didn't have employer sponsored insurance. I talked to him about getting insurance and he said, "I'm not a sickly person. I have no need for insurance."

Within a year he started getting seizures. The first happened while driving down the interstate and he slammed into a concrete wall. Luckily he was fine. Then it happened twice at work. Each resulted in an ambulance trip to the hospital - something he expressed he didn't want after the first couple but when you're not aware and someone calls the ambulance for you, well, you're responsible for paying it.

To make a long story short, he found medicine that controlled the seizures but $35k in medical bills later he declared bankruptcy.

It doesn't take much to run up huge medical bills. Everyone needs insurance.

[OULenexaman]

Ya know, I just moved back from Chicago after 7 years there. Basically all of blagos term. And from what I see, this is nothing like Chicago politics. If this was like Chicago politics, he'd send the FBI in to raid the offices of every major insurer in the middle of the night. Then he'd say that because there are no insurers around, it is necessary to create a single payer system overnight in an emergency vote.

But you do get it I see....:D :D