obama's place in history

[delhalew]

Many call him a failure. It's true that he is inept on many levels.
That aside I portend that Obama will have large place in future history texts.
My question is this: IN YOUR OPINION will his be known as the administration that forever transformed our quasi-republic into a european style democracy OR will the Obama administaration be known, along with the most unscrupulous congress in history, that set in motion a political awakening the likes of which our nation has never seen. Setting in motion a political revolution to restore our republic to it's intended form.
There is no third option, if you don't know or care what is happening right now, then I'm not talking to you.

[Harry Beanbag]

I'm certainly hoping for the later. I think it's still too close to predict which way it will go.

[OULenexaman]

option 2.....it's gonna happen...

[Curly Bill]

I think the latter is likely true.

Let's hope anyway.

[delhalew]

I guess it does come down to a glass half full/empty scenario.
I just feel that as mad as Americans are, they are not prepared to make-over local and state legislatures or call for an article 5 convention. I am fully confident that these are our only recourse as our Constitution has rendered worth less than the paper on which it was drafted.

[Flagstaffsooner]

2 Hopefuly it will make us undo the socialist crap of his a-hole donk forebearers, FDR and LBJ.

[OklahomaTuba]

Well, it took a Jimmuh to get a Ronaldus Magnus.

At this point he's underperforming even Jimmuh.

[yermom]

it will take a whole hell of a lot for him to not be remembered as "The First Black President"

[delhalew]

2 Hopefuly it will make us undo the socialist crap of his a-hole donk forebearers, FDR and LBJ.
This is what I mean. These weak sauce ideas are not the American way. I wonder if we have to will to say "states being sovereign can have any social programs they want, and they can fund the MFers they damn selves".

[LosAngelesSooner]

Many call him a failure. It's true that he is inept on many levels.
That aside I portend that Obama will have large place in future history texts.
My question is this: IN YOUR OPINION will his be known as the administration that forever transformed our quasi-republic into a european style democracy OR will the Obama administaration be known, along with the most unscrupulous congress in history, that set in motion a political awakening the likes of which our nation has never seen. Setting in motion a political revolution to restore our republic to it's intended form.
There is no third option, if you don't know or care what is happening right now, then I'm not talking to you.^^^ This is the kind of dumb, bull**** post I've been griping about. :rolleyes:

[Curly Bill]

^^^ This is the kind of dumb, bull**** post I've been griping about. :rolleyes:

You could do us all a favor and stay away. The gig is up lib boy, your act is no longer funny or even slightly amusing. ;)

[OklahomaTuba]

Given his long list of accomplishments thus far, such as doubling the unemployment rate and putting us on the path to quadruple the debt, while trying to force feed the worst bill to ever be written by congress, evar, I cannot imagine how this ends well for him.

Hell, he's singlehandedly brought the GOP back to life. We now enjoy a 20 point advantage over the donks in the congressional poll.

Nov. can't come soon enough.

But at this point, his Presidency is done IMO.

[OULenexaman]

half black.......or half white.....

[OklahomaTuba]

He will also probably be remembered also as the most partisan President we have ever had. At least since Nixon.

Hell, given his record of trying to bribe and pay off folks to get this agenda enacted, he may just be more corrupt and partisan than Nixon.

[delhalew]

^^^ This is the kind of dumb, bull**** post I've been griping about. :rolleyes:
I'm sure they would be happy to hear you bitch about it over at the huffington post.

[delhalew]

it will take a whole hell of a lot for him to not be remembered as "The First Black President"

I know, right? Except at the rate he is going, that will be a footnote.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You could do us all a favor and stay away. The gig is up lib boy, your act is no longer funny or even slightly amusing. ;)Riiiight. Unlike threads like these which were NEVER funny, amusing, intelligent, well thought out, thought provoking...I could go on.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I'm sure they would be happy to hear you bitch about it over at the huffington post.Yeah. You know...'cause that's the only option.

Either you think Obama is the Devil, worst president ever and is single handedly destroying America in only one year...

or

...you are a dirty Socialist Lib who wants to make the USA into France while you have buttsex with your legally married goat-spouse on your organic Arugula farm.

You oversimplifying, overreacting, partisan nutters are ruining this country more than Obama could in 12 years.

[C&CDean]

it will take a whole hell of a lot for him to not be remembered as "The First Black President"

Actually, he's not. He's the first mulatto president. Some day we're gonna get a real, live, 100 black president up in that muh****ah. Till then, we're stuck with this POS half-a-cracka.

[C&CDean]

You oversimplifying, overreacting, partisan nutters are ruining this country more than Obama could in 12 years.

pssssst. pot? kettle? throwing stones in glass houses?

[Harry Beanbag]

Yeah. You know...'cause that's the only option.

Either you think Obama is the Devil, worst president ever and is single handedly destroying America in only one year...

or

...you are a dirty Socialist Lib who wants to make the USA into France while you have buttsex with your legally married goat-spouse on your organic Arugula farm.

You oversimplifying, overreacting, partisan nutters are ruining this country more than Obama could in 12 years.


I didn't know you even liked Arugula.

[Flagstaffsooner]

half black.......or half white trash:pop:

[delhalew]

Pay attention America. As you try to chart your future, when you know something is wrong and you want to discuss how to move forward, observe.
When there is hard work to be done, REAL heavy lifting, your libtard neighbor and your estalishment decepticon cousin will mock you and offer nothing. Liberty is hard work folks, and some folks aren't cut out for it.

[1890MilesToNorman]

I cannot imagine how this ends well for him.

To hell with him, how about us?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Option 2, Jimmah Cahter will no longer be thought of as the worst administration ever. Obammy will supplant him.

[LosAngelesSooner]

pssssst. pot? kettle? throwing stones in glass houses?If ONLY I was a partisan nutter...then I wouldn't be intelligent enough to see how idiotic threads like these are.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Pay attention America. As you try to chart your future, when you know something is wrong and you want to discuss how to move forward, observe.
When there is hard work to be done, REAL heavy lifting, your libtard neighbor and your estalishment decepticon cousin will mock you and offer nothing. Liberty is hard work folks, and some folks aren't cut out for it.Because...again (for those of you who are not paying attention)

Either you're:

a) a true patriotic Conservative who loves this nation and is willing to work hard, possibly even stand up in revolt, in order to save it from being destroyed in only one year by the most Socialistic, Liberal and divisive President we've ever had

or

b) you're a lazy, **** talking, sucking on the government teet, cowardly Liberal who wants the government to do everything for you while you pee on the Flag, run around with your eyes and ears closed up screaming "LALALALALALA!" traitor.

[Harry Beanbag]

Because...again (for those of you who are not paying attention)

Either you're:

a) a true patriotic Conservative who loves this nation and is willing to work hard, possibly even stand up in revolt, in order to save it from being destroyed in only one year by the most Socialistic, Liberal and divisive President we've ever had

or

b) you're a lazy, **** talking, sucking on the government teet, cowardly Liberal who wants the government to do everything for you while you pee on the Flag, run around with your eyes and ears closed up screaming "LALALALALALA!" traitor.


So you eat arugula and are lazy? I've learned two new things about you today.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Many call him a failure. It's true that he is inept on many levels.
That aside I portend that Obama will have large place in future history texts.
My question is this: IN YOUR OPINION will his be known as the administration that forever transformed our quasi-republic into a european style democracy OR will the Obama administaration be known, along with the most unscrupulous congress in history, that set in motion a political awakening the likes of which our nation has never seen. Setting in motion a political revolution to restore our republic to it's intended form.
There is no third option, if you don't know or care what is happening right now, then I'm not talking to you.How corrupt are the European socialist countries? If they are as bad as this administration, no wonder they have so many troubles-and that's even before the adverse effects of the socialism and the fascism.

[OklahomaTuba]

To hell with him, how about us?

Too true, unfortunately. :cool:

[delhalew]

You know what's REALLY funny?
You would think it would be obvious why I didn't offer a third option.
If you like what you see from your federal gub'ment right, congradulations. What do you have to complain about? Over a century of your opinions have gotten us here. Toast yourself for a job well done.
Meanwhile, the adults are having a conversation.

[OklahomaTuba]

How corrupt are the European socialist countries? If they are as bad as this administration, no wonder they have so many troubles-and that's even before the adverse effects of the socialism and the fascism.Or better yet, if it takes this much corruption and bribery to effectively and unconstitutionally seize control of 1/6th of the economy, then what will this look like after they do it???

[sooner59]

Actually, he's not. He's the first mulatto president. Some day we're gonna get a real, live, 100 black president up in that muh****ah. Till then, we're stuck with this POS half-a-cracka.

Dr. Dre Fo Da Prez '12!

Throw in Eminem as Vice Prez to get more white votes.

50 Cent as Speaker of the House. Speak out of line......I dare you. :D

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/1219906027000/00653/eng_dre_gbs_BM_Baye_653958g.jpg

P. Diddy is their campaign director.

VOTE OR DIE! And he means that literally.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/808/808_img_07.jpg

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Or better yet, if it takes this much corruption and bribery to effectively and unconstitutionally seize control of 1/6th of the economy, then what will this look like after they do it???Our Dear One will be wearing colorful military garb, and having a Constitution shredding ceremony at dusk, on Ellis Island, before flying to Martha's Vineyard, for a short vacation?

[JLEW1818]

YES WE CAN!!

[Breadburner]

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[LosAngelesSooner]

You know what's REALLY funny?
You would think it would be obvious why I didn't offer a third option.
If you like what you see from your federal gub'ment right, congradulations. What do you have to complain about? Over a century of your opinions have gotten us here. Toast yourself for a job well done.
Meanwhile, the adults are having a conversation.Right...because, again your options are:

a) You approve of everything the government is doing

of

b) You are a true American and disapprove of everything the government is doing.

Oh...and the Liberals have been in charge for over a hundred years, apparently. :rolleyes:

Will the stupidity stop piling up in this thread? Somehow, I doubt it.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Or better yet, if it takes this much corruption and bribery to effectively and unconstitutionally seize control of 1/6th of the economy, then what will this look like after they do it???Will you please provide a link, some shred of proof or really ANYTHING that can even remotely substantiate the claims you're making in this post?

I'll be waiting.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Our Dear One will be wearing colorful military garb, and having a Constitution shredding ceremony at dusk, on Ellis Island, before flying to Martha's Vineyard, for a short vacation?You forgot to say, "Haha" at the end of your post like you usually do 99% the time.

Also, you DO realize that Dubya and Cheney did more to abuse the Constitution than anyone prior and Obama has actually been trying to FIX many of the breeches they created, right?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your spin. :pop:

[JLEW1818]

nerd alert

[LosAngelesSooner]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[JLEW1818]

i luv u

[delhalew]

Will you please provide a link, some shred of proof or really ANYTHING that can even remotely substantiate the claims you're making in this post?

I'll be waiting.

You need a link for something as well documented as that? Maybe he should come over there and wipe your *** as well.

You can pretend to misunderstand what I'm talking about ALL DAY LONG. I'm not talking to you. Everyone I'm talking to knows EXACTLY what I mean.

I know who you are pretending to be doesn't think he misunderstands my statements, but there is no way that the real you is that ****ing stupid.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You need a link for something as well documented as that? Maybe he should come over there and wipe your *** as well.

You can pretend to misunderstand what I'm talking about ALL DAY LONG. I'm not talking to you. Everyone I'm talking to knows EXACTLY what I mean.

I know who you are pretending to be doesn't think he misunderstands my statements, but there is no way that the real you is that ****ing stupid.Okay...if it's SO well documented then it should be EASY for you to show ANY kind of actual PROOF of a bribe, or abuse of power by the current administration. Or violation of the Constitution. That claim was made too.

So go on! Show your proof! I'd LOVE to see it! Break the story here, on SF.com! This is your BIIIIIG chance to show everyone that I'm wrong.

Just show a little proof to back up your claims of bribery, abuse of power and violation of the Constitution by the current Administration.

Otherwise...you're just completely full of ****. :pop:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Anything.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Any scrap of evidence to support your claim.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Get your local neighborhood kids to draw some proof up with crayons.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Wow me with your ZAZZZ!!!!

[LosAngelesSooner]

If "everyone knows exactly that you mean," then it should be EASY for you to essplain it to me.

[LosAngelesSooner]

So BRING ON THE PROOF!!!!!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

7 ignore posts in a row-all from the same entity. is that a record?

[LosAngelesSooner]

I don't know, but I think you're closing in on your previous record for "Highest Overall Vag-Factor in a Single Poster." ;)

[olevetonahill]

Okay...if it's SO well documented then it should be EASY for you to show ANY kind of actual PROOF e C
So go on! Show your proof! I'd LOVE to see it! Break the story here, on SF.com! This is your BIIIIIG chance to show everyone that I'm wrong.

Just show a little proof to back up your claims of bribery, abuse of power and violation of the Constitution by the current Administration.

Otherwise...you're just completely full of ****. :pop:

Just like we are waiting on Proof .


Anything.

Nothing, The rest of us are still waitin on you .


Any scrap of evidence to support your claim.

Naw , you still havnt shown ANY proof :pop:


Get your local neighborhood kids to draw some proof up with crayons.

Is that where yer certificate is now ?


Wow me with your ZAZZZ!!!!


So BRING ON THE PROOF!!!!!

Ive been waiting longer than you


I don't know, but I think Im closing in on the previous record for "Highest Overall Vag-Factor in a Single Poster." ;)

And you finally get one correct.

You demanding Proof is funny as hell .:D

[Sooner in Tampa]

*clicks heels*
"I AM A REPUBLICAN"
"I AM A REPUBLICAN"
"I AM A REPUBLICAN"
*clicks heels*

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Oh...and the Liberals have been in charge for over a hundred years, apparently. :rolleyes:


Progressives, not liberals. Too bad you're not as smart as you think you are.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

You think Bush "Miss me Yet" was bad.

Obammy is thumbing his nose at the constitution, the judicial - daring the Supreme Court to rule against him and Obammycare, and jamming socialism down the throats of the American people. He doesn't care about YOU, he only cares about his agenda. Pass this, he knows he is likely a 1-termer. But he will have set in motion the largest change in how the U.S. is governed since we declared Independence. This country will become a liberal, government will take care of all your needs, loss of individual rights, a populace depending on Federal government for handouts and a slam the door on individual American dream money earning place. No incentive to earn money, but to expect something from the government. A truly sad view, one that will be Obammy's legacy and the country forever. We do not take away any government policy/welfare ever placed into the public. The genie will not go back in...

[Collier11]

way too early, he is trending the wrong way but still has 3 years to get things going the right direction

[Collier11]

So BRING ON THE PROOF!!!!!

as soon as we get the non existent proof of your 1000 yd shot :eek: :D

[TopDawg]

My question is this: IN YOUR OPINION will his be known as the administration that forever transformed our quasi-republic into a european style democracy OR will the Obama administaration be known, along with the most unscrupulous congress in history, that set in motion a political awakening the likes of which our nation has never seen. Setting in motion a political revolution to restore our republic to it's intended form.

Interesting question. I believe there probably is a third option, but if given these two choices, it will indeed be interesting to see how it happens. And, likewise, it'll be interesting to see how Bush's administration is known because it undoubtedly had a hand in the situation we currently find ourselves in. If your first option happens, then maybe Bush is the administration that set in motion a political awakening the likes of which our nation had never seen which set in motion a political revolution to transform our quasi-republic into a European style democracy.

[Chuck Bao]

I don't quite understand the paranoia. Why do you guys assume that once an industry is nationalized that it can never go back to the private sector again?

I say let the government take over the failed industries, inject capital and support when needed and then sell them off in the stock market for a profit later.

If you Republicans are SO convinced that the next election will swing the other way, why are you so worried?

Besides, our private industries are already largely controlled by Wall Street anyway and I am not saying that is such a good thing.

I say first let's follow that European model, the Margret Thatcher model. Secondly, when the nationalized industries are privatized, award the share allocation to small investors who are clients or customers of that company instead of friends and major clients of the big Wall Street brokers.

On the other hand, I have to applaud you guys for keeping up the pressure. That probably will be needed later to accelerate a privatization policy.

Truthfully, if Obama does get the economy on its feet and returns the bailed out industries to a competititve footing through privatization, he will rank fairly high in my books.

[olevetonahill]

I don't quite understand the paranoia. Why do you guys assume that once an industry is nationalized that it can never go back to the private sector again?

Name me one thing that the Feds got their hands ahold of, and then let loose ? I really want to know

I say let the government take over the failed industries, inject capital and support when needed and then sell them off in the stock market for a profit later.

If you Republicans are SO convinced that the next election will swing the other way, why are you so worried?

Besides, our private industries are already largely controlled by Wall Street anyway and I am not saying that is such a good thing.

I say first let's follow that European model, the Margret Thatcher model. Secondly, when the nationalized industries are privatized, award the share allocation to small investors who are clients or customers of that company instead of friends and major clients of the big Wall Street brokers.

On the other hand, I have to applaud you guys for keeping up the pressure. That probably will be needed later to accelerate a privatization policy.

Truthfully, if Obama does get the economy on its feet and returns the bailed out industries to a competititve footing through privatization, he will rank fairly high in my books.

If this happens Ill be singing his praises also

[1890MilesToNorman]

Question Chuck? when did the US gubmint give anything back to the private sector after it gained the control and power of it? I can't think of one example.

[olevetonahill]

Question Chuck? when did the US gubmint give anything back to the private sector after it gained the control and power of it? I can't think of one example.

You SLOW I done pulled that trigger :P :D
And Chuck knows I aint just being a smartass i genuinely want to know,

[MclOUvin]

Question Chuck? when did the US gubmint give anything back to the private sector after it gained the control and power of it? I can't think of one example.

lib lovers avoid this topic at all costs

[olevetonahill]

lib lovers avoid this topic at all costs

Dont be callin Chuck names !
Hes a really good guy and I respect his opinions. May not agree with em but i do respect em .

[MclOUvin]

am I bein a meany to chuck?

[Collier11]

Just like we are waiting on Proof .



Nothing, The rest of us are still waitin on you .



Naw , you still havnt shown ANY proof :pop:



Is that where yer certificate is now ?





Ive been waiting longer than you



And you finally get one correct.

You demanding Proof is funny as hell .:D

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! :texan:

[olevetonahill]

am I bein a meany to chuck?

Naw Chuck is a Big boy and can handle ya . I were just pointin out yer Not being cool .:pop:

[ouwasp]

Obama may become known as the Black Buchanan. The real question is who will be the "new" Lincoln to save our Republic?

[Chuck Bao]

All that I am saying is that it can be reversed. And, that isn't a bad option given the circumstances.

Seriously, we have broken the mold on the old economic model. The private sector has failed in many ways due to some, now pretty obvious, lack of regulatory control. Some of you have said "let them fail" and those of you saying that probably are not employed there.

I personally would feel much better about some of Obama's proposals if they would just add the statement that bailed out industries will be sold off in the market when suitable and profitable.

I have worked on several privatization deals in Thailand. Just a handful of foreign brokers, mostly American, could handle the deals and that is because they could coerce the large international funds to participate in a "book building" exercise. In my opinion, book building shouldn't necessarily preclude participation of small investors/customers once the price is set.

I think the lesson is that Wall Street shouldn't drive our economy, any more than that sad bunch in Washington. They will both play a major role, but we need to keep them both as honest as possible.

[Collier11]

I think the lesson is that Wall Street shouldn't drive our economy, any more than that sad bunch in Washington. They will both play a major role, but we need to keep them both as honest as possible.

Ok Chuck but how do we actually get to that point, I have no clue so im interested to know how we get to that point?

[SoonerBorn68]

Any scrap of evidence to support your claim.

It's very hypicritical for you to demand proof when you yourself have been asked for the very same thing...and never did.

Mr. 1K. ;)

[Chuck Bao]

Question Chuck? when did the US gubmint give anything back to the private sector after it gained the control and power of it? I can't think of one example.

Because it never happened doesn't mean that it can't happen.

I would be much more inclined to support the tea party advocates if they'd just recognize that some of the corporate takeovers were necessary, but state ownership was not a long-term solution. Instead, I hear more and more negatives about socialism and trend to an European style of economic management.

We really need a new way of thinking, not a senseless blame game and a silly illusion that all we have to do is to turn back the clock to some imaginary golden era.

[Collier11]

actually you are wrong 68, LAS told us where to find proof. The problem is that UBT went to said place and found no plaque and no history of said shooter :D

[SanJoaquinSooner]

50 years too soon to tell.

[Okla-homey]

Actually, he's not. He's the first mulatto president. Some day we're gonna get a real, live, 100 black president up in that muh****ah. Till then, we're stuck with this POS half-a-cracka.

I agree. His mama was a white woman from Kansas. Just like my nephews and niece up in Wichita. :D

[Okla-homey]

Obama may become known as the Black Buchanan. The real question is who will be the "new" Lincoln to save our Republic?

I nominate Dean. Although his youthful indiscretions would send the media beast into apoplexy.

That's the problem nowadays. As I've maintained on here for a while, "real" people can't hope to aspire to national office because they lived regular lives, made a mistake or pulled bone-headed stunt or two, and those bones are sure to come clattering out of the closet.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I agree. His mama was a white woman from Kansas. Just like my nephews and niece up in Wichita. :D


Luckily I don't have any Kansas relatives. And they aren't drunken, stoned trailer park people either. Seriously. I promise... :O

[Okla-homey]

Luckily I don't have any Kansas relatives. And they aren't drunken, stoned trailer park people either. Seriously. I promise... :O

I'm offended. I do not live in a trailer park.;)

[olevetonahill]

I'm offended. I do not live in a trailer park.;)

I dont neither but my Kin do !:eek:

[delhalew]

Because it never happened doesn't mean that it can't happen.

I would be much more inclined to support the tea party advocates if they'd just recognize that some of the corporate takeovers were necessary, but state ownership was not a long-term solution. Instead, I hear more and more negatives about socialism and trend to an European style of economic management.

We really need a new way of thinking, not a senseless blame game and a silly illusion that all we have to do is to turn back the clock to some imaginary golden era.

Chuck, because of your career, I would expect that you are familiar with Robert Higgs' "ratchet effect". As that theory applies to economics, it also applies to economic policy and to governance in general.

Consider that the Obama care bill creates 159 new bureaucratic agencies. Consider that alone. Don't worry about the new taxes. Don't worry about the load on already strained states.

When has the government EVER reduced the amount of agencies it uses to launder money and interfere in our lives. When? It takes a sledgehammer to fight the ratchet effect.

Why does anybody EVER think your government getting bigger and stronger leads anywhere good. Look at the history of this world. For crying out loud find one of our many relocated Cubans. If you have a couple hours, ask them what they see happening in their new home.

[delhalew]

I nominate Dean. Although his youthful indiscretions would send the media beast into apoplexy.

That's the problem nowadays. As I've maintained on here for a while, "real" people can't hope to aspire to national office because they lived regular lives, made a mistake or pulled bone-headed stunt or two, and those bones are sure to come clattering out of the closet.

Agreed. They would absolutely tear me to shreds.

[beer4me]

Because it never happened doesn't mean that it can't happen.


It has actually happened both ways over the years if guys forget.

Once something is nationalized don't mean it can't be privatized again but most of the time it is not in the gubermints best interest to let things go back.

This is especially true in matters of defense.



Just a few examples:

During WWI U.S. railroads were nationalized as a wartime measure, but they were given back after WWI.

Gubermint nationalized the Tennessee Electric Power Company in the 1930’s and formed the TVA and still own it today.

Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC)

Anyone remember that before Sept 11 2001 airport security functions were privately owned companies after that they were nationalized and are now under the TSA.

There a few more examples and some not quite the same but the principle of guberment ownership such as AMTRAK, and CONRAIL.

Some people argue that now that GM had their CEO replaced with a gurberment selected guy is nationalization also but I will leave that up to your own mind.

[olevetonahill]

Luckily I don't have any Kansas relatives. And they aren't drunken, stoned trailer park people either. Seriously. I promise... :O

Im durnken and stoned . But I got it over em , I live in a shack LOL:D