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landrun
3/11/2010, 07:31 PM
In short, its about trust. The government has lied from generation to generation and some people have figured it out.

'Health Care Reform' - or the lack of health care reform in the name of health care reform - is going to be Social Security 100 times over.

This article was wrote last year but it makes the point very well.

The government doesn't care about you they just manipulate you to gain more and more power with each passing administration.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16248


Whatever healthcare legislation is passed will be (a) a pack of lies and (b) end up costing well beyond the estimates that range from hundreds of billions to beyond a trillion dollars.

One way or the other, the DEMOCRATS led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will find a way to pass something, anything, called healthcare reform. It simply does not matter that most voters have concluded it is yet another liberal-inspired, utopian disaster. And the only good news is that they might as well be signing the Party’s death notice in 2010.

History, as always, provides the best measure against which to determine what the future holds. This is because people, political parties, and others invariably make the same mistakes over and over again.

Let us take a look at Social Security.

When Franklin Roosevelt, a DEMOCRAT, introduced the Social Security (FICA) program he promised that participation would be completely voluntary and that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program. These days, one is enrolled in Social Security at birth!

Participants were told that the money they to put into Social Security would be tax deductible from their income. Today, Social Security payments are taxed as income.
It was the DEMOCRAT Party that eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding. Former Vice President, Al Gore, cast the tie-breaking vote.

The integrity of Social Security was to be ensured by an independent “trust fund” and would not be mingled with the government’s general operating fund. FICA payments would be used solely to fund the Social Security retirement program.

It was Lyndon Johnson and the DEMOCRAT controlled House and Senate that eliminated the independent “trust fund” and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it.

The DEMOCRAT Party, led by Jimmy Carter, decided to give Social Security annuity payments to immigrants who at age 65 would be eligible to receive payments. The Party gave these payments to them even though they may have never paid a dime into the program.

And, finally, for the first year since 1975, Social Security beneficiaries will not receive a cost of living adjustment in 2010 despite the fact that the cost of food, energy and healthcare continues to climb and the value of the dollar declines against other currencies.

Healthcare costs can be addressed. Simply permitting insurance companies to sell policies across state lines in the same fashion as auto, home, and other insurance is sold would increase competition and spread the risks. As it is, the insurance industry has a paltry 2.2% profit margin and the proposed healthcare reforms would put them out of business.

So, as you watch the machinations involving five different versions of “healthcare reform”, each ranging up to and beyond a thousand pages, you might want to write your Senator and Representative urging them to reject this latest fleecing of Americans.

You need not write if they are Republicans as that Party is almost unanimously opposed to it.

The DEMOCRAT’s are doing what they do best; lying to voters.

This “healthcare reform” seems to have as its goal the further destruction of the economy, the degrading of the healthcare system, and further control over the most intimate decisions Americans and their physicians make regarding their lives.

If passed, in some cases, they will be told to go home and die.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/11/2010, 07:45 PM
Really?haha

Leroy Lizard
3/11/2010, 07:53 PM
We need a state to pilot this program for five years before going national. But I don't think any state is stupid enough to volunteer.

Turd_Ferguson
3/11/2010, 08:10 PM
We need a state to pilot this program for five years before going national. But I don't think any state is stupid enough to volunteer.CA:confused:

Fraggle145
3/11/2010, 08:11 PM
It was Lyndon Johnson and the DEMOCRAT controlled House and Senate that eliminated the independent “trust fund” and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it.

this is funny to me... even when it is a republican its still those gawldammed DEMOCRATS.

I LOVE to use CAPITAL LETTERS

Leroy Lizard
3/11/2010, 08:21 PM
CA:confused:

No, not even Nancy Pelosi's home state.

fadada1
3/11/2010, 08:31 PM
In short, its about $$$$$.

the end.

Crucifax Autumn
3/11/2010, 08:32 PM
I'm agin it cuz I knows they won't pay for my visits to my holistic healer of choice!

landrun
3/11/2010, 08:36 PM
this is funny to me... even when it is a republican its still those gawldammed DEMOCRATS.

I LOVE to use CAPITAL LETTERS

Here are the facts ....


... Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget."

It was voted on in 1968 by a Democrat controlled congress and when Johnson was in office (63-69) and it went into effect starting in 1969. How do you figure is was the repubs? Are you seriously trying to suggest that the repubs are to blame because they won the presidency in 69? After the bill had been passed by a democrat congress and signed into law by a democrat president in 68? I think honesty demands we admit it was indeed the democrats.

However, the argument appears to be that the trust fund is still untouchable. Which begs the question, if that's true, what is all the talk about putting it into a locked box if its already in a locked box?


Social Security Myths
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

Control of Congress By Year
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

Fraggle145
3/11/2010, 09:56 PM
So by virtue of the fact that the democrats win more often it is their fault...

Leroy Lizard
3/11/2010, 10:30 PM
Okay, that was stupid.

1890MilesToNorman
3/11/2010, 10:39 PM
What was the last government proposal (that became law) to come in under budget and accomplished the stated goals?

Veritas
3/11/2010, 10:58 PM
It short, it's about not wanting to pay any more goddamned taxes.

picasso
3/11/2010, 11:28 PM
It's about choice. I've dealt with this type of system and you can kiss choice goodbye.
And yeah, get in line for an appointment.

Another thing. Some folks bitch about anti-abortion taking away the rights of the mother but the same idiots seem to have no problem with the government taking away your rights for the rest of the organs in your body.

Get a clue.