School Prom off after lesbian's date request

[SanJoaquinSooner]

This sounds like Footloose, 21st century.

This discrimination is ridiculous.


Miss. school prom off after lesbian's date request
AP


By SHELIA BYRD, Associated Press Writer Shelia Byrd, Associated Press Writer – Wed Mar 10, 8:41 pm ET

JACKSON, Miss. – A northern Mississippi school district decided Wednesday not to host a high school prom after a lesbian student demanded she be able to attend with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo.

The Itawamba County school district's policy requires that senior prom dates be of the opposite sex. The American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi had given the district until Wednesday to change that policy and allow 18-year-old Constance McMillen to escort her girlfriend, who is also a student, to the dance on April 2.

Instead, the school board met and issued a statement announcing it wouldn't host the event at Itawamba County Agricultural High School in Fulton, "due to the distractions to the educational process caused by recent events."


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[SicEmBaylor]

It's the wearing of the tuxedo that I find to be the problem. There should be strict standards of decorum and dress that should be met by everyone regardless of sexual orientation. If she wants to bring her girlfriend then fine, but as long as both of them have a vagina they should both be in a dress that conforms with the school's policy.

[SCOUT]

Dress codes are just exactly like Footloose

[sooner59]

Nice how they ruined prom for every kid at the school because they are stuck in the 1940s. That being said, they are lucky. Prom sucks, I left after 30 minutes and got the party started. They get to start the prom party really early.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

It's the wearing of the tuxedo that I find to be the problem. There should be strict standards of decorum and dress that should be met by everyone regardless of sexual orientation. If she wants to bring her girlfriend then fine, but as long as both of them have a vagina they should both be in a dress that conforms with the school's policy.

If a girl wearing a tux exposed her vagina, I'd understand the objection. Otherwise, what's the problem?

[Crucifax Autumn]

Tuxedo camel toe.

[IBleedCrimson]

If a girl wearing a tux exposed her vagina, I'd understand the objection. Otherwise, what's the problem?

the problem is your using logic against sicem

[proud gonzo]

It's the wearing of the tuxedo that I find to be the problem. There should be strict standards of decorum and dress that should be met by everyone regardless of sexual orientation. If she wants to bring her girlfriend then fine, but as long as both of them have a vagina they should both be in a dress that conforms with the school's policy.

that's stupid.

I knew a couple who attended the school prom--girl in the tux, dude in the dress. It was awesome.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Gotta maintain the image of a high school tradition in which underaged people get drunk, have their picture taken, and then get knocked up in the backseat.

[XingTheRubicon]

Hope the dykes are happy. They ruined the event for everyone else...because just being a dyke doesn't do it for them. They have to push it even further, to the one with the deeper voice dressing like a man so they can get the level of attention they so desperately crave.

[badger]

If this Mississippi chick could have been smart about it instead of going off about it, she could have done exactly what she wanted - go with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo. If she didn't announce it to the world, it would have been fine.

[ADs_Agent]

If this Mississippi chick could have been smart about it instead of going off about it, she could have done exactly what she wanted - go with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo. If she didn't announce it to the world, it would have been fine.

BINGO! "She" wanted the attention

[Crucifax Autumn]

My question is why didn't they just wait and show up however they wanted.

[NormanPride]

Because they're stupid attention whores?

[yermom]

If this Mississippi chick could have been smart about it instead of going off about it, she could have done exactly what she wanted - go with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo. If she didn't announce it to the world, it would have been fine.

or she wanted to make sure she would be able to do it

if they are willing to call the whole thing off, then they are probably willing to just not let her in at that point

[NormanPride]

I bet at least she could get in and raise hell about it. Our prom was mostly put on by the PTA, so the assistant principals were there just to make sure that nothing bad happened. I bet she could have snuck by or sweet-talked her way in.

Make no mistake, this is a power play by the school. They had a rule, the chick wanted to break it publicly, and the school said no. That's it.

[SoonerAtKU]

The funniest thing is the phrase "due to the distractions to the educational process caused by recent events". Please. As if prom is a necessary part of any kind of "educational process". Are they saying that classes can't continue on because people are talking about lesbians at prom? Then that's on your school administrators to handle.

[NormanPride]

Yeah, it is their job to handle. They handled it by removing the distraction, i.e. the prom itself. They're not saying that the prom is essential to education, they're saying that the controversy surrounding this prom is detrimental to students' education.

[SoonerAtKU]

I'm sure that's what they meant. They could have worded it better.

[badger]

While the ACLU is probably fuming that they can't pursue a girl not allowed into a prom that no longer exists, they probably aren't finished yet.

Think her classmates might be a little upset that she got their prom canceled? Think they might retaliate a little with the other f-word?

She obviously wanted attention by not handling this in a smarter way... I bet she's gotten a lot of it lately at school.

[NormanPride]

Yup. Life lessons.

[Pricetag]

This happened at my high school in 1991. There was controversy, and a lot of tough talk by a bunch of hillbillys at the school, and in the end, the prom went off without a hitch.

[Leroy Lizard]

Think her classmates might be a little upset that she got their prom canceled? Think they might retaliate a little with the other f-word?

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[sooner59]

Attention whore? Yes. The girls could have just tried to show separately and wear dresses and we wouldn't hear about it unless she sued the school for kicking them out when they danced or whatever. Personally, I could give a **** if their were two lesbians at my prom. Hell, it would have been more interesting. However the school is just as big of of doosh as her. Grown men and women acting with 4 year-olds when they don't get their way.

"Fine. If I can't have my way, we aren't even having prom! Screw all the seniors who have been looking forward to this! We are just gonna go home and watch American Idol and pray to God there aren't any more gays on this season!"

That's what the school district sounds like now. Not to mention they willing put their school district under scrutiny and will be in the news and receive hate mail for a while. Geez.

[Leroy Lizard]

That's what the school district sounds like now. Not to mention they willing put their school district under scrutiny and will be in the news and receive hate mail for a while. Geez.

We need to remember that the school board is elected, so they often make such decisions to reflect the wishes of the community.

The one girl will now be on every talk show in the country. The other kids will be left holding the bag while she tours the country as a celebrity.

She should publicly state that, while she thinks she has the right to go to the prom with her date, she has decided not to pursue it any further so that the other kids can at least enjoy their evening. But I doubt she will.

[sooner59]

We need to remember that the school board is elected, so they often make such decisions to reflect the wishes of the community.

The one girl will now be on every talk show in the country. The other kids will be left holding the bag while she tours the country as a celebrity.

She should publicly state that, while she thinks she has the right to go to the prom with her date, she has decided not to pursue it any further so that the other kids can at least enjoy their evening. But I doubt she will.

I agree.

[John Kochtoston]

If this Mississippi chick could have been smart about it instead of going off about it, she could have done exactly what she wanted - go with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo. If she didn't announce it to the world, it would have been fine.

Many schools require attendees to say whom they are bringing when the tickets are bought. This was possibly the case here.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

[QUOTE=Leroy Lizard;2849101]We need to remember that the school board is elected, so they often make such decisions to reflect the wishes of the community.

QUOTE]

Yep,

That's how school boards once justified cancelling a prom when a rule against inter-racial dating was tentatively going to be violated.

Sometimes elected officials have to grow a pair and do what is right.

[C&CDean]

Catering to this attention whore is hardly "what is right."

[yermom]

I agree.

or maybe the rest of the students and parents should tell the board to shove it and they'd rather have a couple of dykes at the prom than not have the prom

[Crucifax Autumn]

Did they think the prom would turn into lesbian schoolgirl porn or something? Were they scared the lesbian girls' basketball coach would sprout a she-boner? Scissoring on the dance floor? I just don't understand what coulda happened that would be so bad.

I'd be willing to bet this decision gets reversed when the students start protesting an Ellen, Rosie, and crew show up for support. If they think a chick in a tux is gonna distract from education they haven't seen Sh*t yet.

[sooner59]

or maybe the rest of the students and parents should tell the board to shove it and they'd rather have a couple of dykes at the prom than not have the prom

I also agree. :D

There are several things that could be done so that this doesn't have to happen. However, it is a standoff between an outspoken lesbian and an uber-conservative God-fearing school board. Ain't nuthin gonna happen. They should go out in a field and have a party and say screw it.

[sooner59]

Did they think the prom would turn into lesbian schoolgirl porn or something? Were they scared the lesbian girls' basketball coach would sprout a she-boner? Scissoring on the dance floor? I just don't understand what coulda happened that would be so bad.

I'd be willing to bet this decision gets reversed when the students start protesting an Ellen, Rosie, and crew show up for support. If they think a chick in a tux is gonna distract from education they haven't seen Sh*t yet.

Isn't that the name of a song right now? If not, it should be. Then proms everywhere can go nuts....metaphorically speaking.

[Crucifax Autumn]

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[sooner59]

Scissor me timbers!!!

[Crucifax Autumn]

I just saw that the same thing happened in Indiana awhile back.


Lesbian Sues to Wear Tux to Prom
By Julie Bolcer



A 17-year-old lesbian student in Indiana is fighting for her right to party, dressed in her own style. The student at Lebanon High School in Boone County, northwest of Indianapolis, filed a lawsuit with help from the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana after her principal told her she could not wear a tuxedo to the prom on April 25.

The principal cited a long-standing policy dictating that men wear tuxedos and women wear formal dresses to the prom. The student, whose name has not been released, countered with court filings saying that she does not wear dresses because they express a sexual identity she does not embrace.

The ACLU of Indiana has asked a federal court to issue an injunction requiring Lebanon High School to let the student wear a tux to the prom. They argue that the school district's dress code policy violates her right to freedom of expression, and runs afoul of constitutional stipulations that the government treat male and female students the same.

Attorneys for the school district argue that clothing is not a protected form of expression.

[Leroy Lizard]

Did they think the prom would turn into lesbian schoolgirl porn or something? Were they scared the lesbian girls' basketball coach would sprout a she-boner? Scissoring on the dance floor? I just don't understand what coulda happened that would be so bad.

You don't get it. The school board is taking a stand on behavior they consider immoral. They felt that the girls would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves. In other words, they didn't want to see the prom turn into a gay-pride parade.

Here is what they fear would have happened: Those two girls would have gone out of their way to be as outrageous as possible to draw attention onto themselves all night long. Their planned attire already indicated such. Pretty soon, you have two girls going at it on the dance floor, some kids start to leave early in disgust, and the phones start ringing.

And that is what the two girls most likely wanted.

The school board is simply acting to nip this in the bud. If they are smart, they will either change their stance or remove discussion of the prom from future board meetings. Choose your stance, then make it clear that you will not change your stance come Hell or high water. Falter just a little, and Oprah is knocking on your door.

[badger]

I feel bad for all of the kids that they will miss out on the prom. It really is an awesome event, not just being there, but taking the time to plan it, decorate for it, etc.

As such, perhaps they can have an off-school, non-school sponsored dance to make up for it so they'll still get that experience.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm still just not seeing the problem with a chick in a tux...

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[Crucifax Autumn]

You don't get it. The school board is taking a stand on behavior they consider immoral. They felt that the girls would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves. In other words, they didn't want to see the prom turn into a gay-pride parade.

Here is what they fear would have happened: Those two girls would have gone out of their way to be as outrageous as possible to draw attention onto themselves all night long. Their planned attire already indicated such. Pretty soon, you have two girls going at it on the dance floor, some kids start to leave early in disgust, and the phones start ringing.

And that is what the two girls most likely wanted.

The school board is simply acting to nip this in the bud. If they are smart, they will either change their stance or remove discussion of the prom from future board meetings. Choose your stance, then make it clear that you will not change your stance come Hell or high water. Falter just a little, and Oprah is knocking on your door.

How the hell is that different from what so many kids do anyway? I can guarantee thatif the girl agreed to wear a dress and the prom went on as planned there would be plenty of other examples of immorality in effect.

[John Kochtoston]

You don't get it. The school board is taking a stand on behavior they consider immoral. They felt that the girls would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves. In other words, they didn't want to see the prom turn into a gay-pride parade.

Here is what they fear would have happened: Those two girls would have gone out of their way to be as outrageous as possible to draw attention onto themselves all night long. Their planned attire already indicated such. Pretty soon, you have two girls going at it on the dance floor, some kids start to leave early in disgust, and the phones start ringing.

And that is what the two girls most likely wanted.

The school board is simply acting to nip this in the bud. If they are smart, they will either change their stance or remove discussion of the prom from future board meetings. Choose your stance, then make it clear that you will not change your stance come Hell or high water. Falter just a little, and Oprah is knocking on your door.

If they engage in inappropriate behavior, tell them to knock it off. Or kick them out. Girls dancing together is not, in and of itself, inappropriate. It happened at damn near every party I went to in high school/college, and there was usually no sexual intent, just fun.

[Leroy Lizard]

Not all immoralities are created equal, evidently.

[Leroy Lizard]

If they engage in inappropriate behavior, tell them to knock it off. Or kick them out.

If you kick them out, you will have every civil liberties organization on the planet suing you.

If you don't create the problem, you don't have to solve it.


As such, perhaps they can have an off-school, non-school sponsored dance to make up for it so they'll still get that experience.

That is what a lot of people in here are forgetting when they yell "Footloose!" The school board has not outlawed anything. They have just decided not to host an event.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

You don't get it. The school board is taking a stand on behavior they consider immoral. They felt that the girls would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves. In other words, they didn't want to see the prom turn into a gay-pride parade.



If a school board believed interracial dating was immoral and that an interracial couple would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves, would the school board be justified in cancelling the prom?

[starclassic tama]

god hates dykes

[Leroy Lizard]

If a school board believed interracial dating was immoral and that an interracial couple would make a spectacle of themselves and focus all the attention of the prom on themselves, would the school board be justified in cancelling the prom?

They don't have to justify their decision because it is their prom. They are not outlawing anything and students are still free to form their own partes. Now, if they decided to hold the prom and exclude interracial couples (or whoever), that would be a different discussion.

What does the community want? That is ultimately what the school board considers. Naturally, they cannot violate civil rights in their decision-making.

[John Kochtoston]

If you kick them out, you will have every civil liberties organization on the planet suing you.

If you don't create the problem, you don't have to solve it.

They created the problem of kids being pissed because they don't get to have a prom, by canceling prom because they didn't want to let a lesbian couple in.


That is what a lot of people in here are forgetting when they yell "Footloose!" The school board has not outlawed anything. They have just decided not to host an event.

They decided not to host an event because of bigotry, not because of any rational reason. Seems to me the town in "Footloose" didn't allow dancing because of an irrational fear of dancing. It's not an exact comparison, but still fairly apt.

[Leroy Lizard]

They created the problem of kids being pissed because they don't get to have a prom, by canceling prom because they didn't want to let a lesbian couple in.

Pissed off kids are not a problem. Pissed off parents are.


They decided not to host an event because of bigotry, not because of any rational reason.

Actually, their decision is very rational. "The community voted me in because I ran on a platform that I would make decisions that reflected its values, not West Hollywood's. They see all the fruitiness going on in the big cities and they don't want their community becoming like that. So, if I allow this, Farmer Brown is going to not only confront me in church, he is going to lead a movement to have me ousted at the next election. And he would be right, because he placed his trust in me and I blew that trust when push came to shove."

That's perfectly rational. The school board's primary responsibility is to the community that elected them.

[SunnySooner]

At my prom, you could only attend if you were a Jr. or Sr. at the school. Period. Some of the senior girls were married--couldn't bring the hubbies. Anyone dating a sophomore or freshman from the same school could not bring them, and if you were dating someone from a different high school, you were also SOL. Now THAT's Footloose, peeps. Oh, and it was the only dance we were allowed to have all year, and would've never happened in the first place if some class along the way hadn't gotten half the town to sign a petition. Rules are rules, either play by them or don't go, don't screw it up for everyone else.

[C&CDean]

What everyone is missing here is that they're not cancelling this deal cause there's a couple carpet-lickers wanting to go. They're cancelling it because one of the stupid Ellen-wannabes wants to dress up like a guy. If they just stuck to licking each others snatches and didn't jump up on a soapbox demanding to dress up like a boy it wouldn't be an issue, and everybody would be happy at the prom.

[goingoneight]

What everyone is missing here is that they're not cancelling this deal cause there's a couple carpet-lickers wanting to go. They're cancelling it because one of the stupid Ellen-wannabes wants to dress up like a guy. If they just stuck to licking each others snatches and didn't jump up on a soapbox demanding to dress up like a boy it wouldn't be an issue, and everybody would be happy at the prom.

^^^ This... and only this.

If you want to be a freak, go ahead any other day of the week. Who is it really going to kill to abide by a dress code? Heaven forbid a FEMALE abide by a FEMALE dress code!!!

[John Kochtoston]

That's perfectly rational. The school board's primary responsibility is to the community that elected them.

The school board's primary responsibility is to the students.

Oh, BTW, good thing they cancelled the prom so as to avoid creating the problem of civil liberties groups not suing them. Because, if you don't create the problem, you won't have to solve it, right?

Yeah, about that ...

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[Leroy Lizard]

It wasn't a prom; it was a stage.

[StoopTroup]

So it's not about hawt lesbo action....the School is fine with that....it's just about the dress code....lol

[StoopTroup]

Just require them to all wear school uniforms and let Ellen and her date alone!

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[Leroy Lizard]

The school board's primary responsibility is to the students.

Actually, it's to the community, which is why it is popularly elected. Besides, being responsible to the students is not equivalent to placating them.


Oh, BTW, good thing they cancelled the prom so as to avoid creating the problem of civil liberties groups not suing them. Because, if you don't create the problem, you won't have to solve it, right?

Yeah, about that ...

http://m.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs...emplate=wapart

It just goes to show that you can always sue. But the school board is probably willing to endure the fight since it has gone on record as supporting its community's values. Now, if the community really wanted the prom to take place, then the school board has made a mistake.

BTW, notice how the girl is now front and center. This was all about garnering attention, which is why they chose the boy/girl costuming in the first place.


“A prom is a public forum and the gay couple is making a statement about their sexual orientation and thus it is protected under the First Amendment,” she said.

You see? This was not just two girls wanting to go to the prom. This was meant to be a public statement on their part and their dress code was part of that.

[John Kochtoston]

Actually, it's to the community, which is why it is popularly elected. Besides, being responsible to the students is not equivalent to placating them.

It's really not. Else we'd have a democracy in America, instead of the constitutional republic we do have. And, before you go there, I know gays are not a constitutionally protected class. My argument is that publicly elected officials have responsibilities above and beyond answering to the constituencies which elect them.


It just goes to show that you can always sue. But the school board is probably willing to endure the fight since it has gone on record as supporting its community's values. Now, if the community really wanted the prom to take place, then the school board has made a mistake.

BTW, notice how the girl is now front and center. This was all about garnering attention, which is why they chose the boy/girl costuming in the first place.

Sure, you can always sue. You can't always successfully sue. The ACLU is not likely going to take on a case it doesn't think it has a chance of winning, though.

The girl was placed front and center by a school board that didn't want to let her bring another girl to the prom. If they're a couple, the students at the school have already been exposed to their sexuality for at least two years without ill effect or previous uproar. I find it very peculiar that the school board thinks the prom will be the place where that happens.

[yermom]

yeah, stupid them for not wanting to get trampled on

[Leroy Lizard]

It's really not. Else we'd have a democracy in America, instead of the constitutional republic we do have. And, before you go there, I know gays are not a constitutionally protected class. My argument is that publicly elected officials have responsibilities above and beyond answering to the constituencies which elect them.

Those are that are responsible to the students' well-being are the parents.

The school board does not ac as a republic with students as the constituents.



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It just goes to show that you can always sue. But the school board is probably willing to endure the fight since it has gone on record as supporting its community's values. Now, if the community really wanted the prom to take place, then the school board has made a mistake.


Sure, you can always sue. You can't always successfully sue. The ACLU is not likely going to take on a case it doesn't think it has a chance of winning, though.

It does all the time. It has its own marketing strategies.


The girl was placed front and center by a school board that didn't want to let her bring another girl to the prom. If they're a couple, the students at the school have already been exposed to their sexuality for at least two years without ill effect or previous uproar. I find it very peculiar that the school board thinks the prom will be the place where that happens.

Obviously the ACLU thinks so, because they are arguing that the prom is the couple's means of making their point. You are arguing that this couple has the opportunity to (ahem) spread their message every day and has done so for a long time. Then why the need to (ahem) display it at the prom?

[Chuck Bao]

What everyone is missing here is that they're not cancelling this deal cause there's a couple carpet-lickers wanting to go. They're cancelling it because one of the stupid Ellen-wannabes wants to dress up like a guy. If they just stuck to licking each others snatches and didn't jump up on a soapbox demanding to dress up like a boy it wouldn't be an issue, and everybody would be happy at the prom.


^^^NOT THIS^^^and on so many levels.

It is not about a dress code. In my hillbilly high school, girls could and did wear blue jeans and cowboy boots. That is not the reason, just an excuse to be bigots.

These high school girls have every right to stand up for their rights and they should get the entire student body to support them. I hope they do have an alternative dance outside of the school and I hope the voters vote out all of the school board members that proved to be so bigoted. That is really a fine example that they are setting for our young people.

[Ardmore_Sooner]

Little known fact I just learned. Footloose is based off of events in Elmore City, Oklahoma.

I had no idea. Carry on.

[John Kochtoston]

Those are that are responsible to the students' well-being are the parents.

The school board does not ac as a republic with students as the constituents.

The school board is duly elected under the laws of the US and the state of Mississippi, both republics. The school board's ultimate responsibility is to those republics.



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It just goes to show that you can always sue. But the school board is probably willing to endure the fight since it has gone on record as supporting its community's values. Now, if the community really wanted the prom to take place, then the school board has made a mistake.




It does all the time. It has its own marketing strategies.

Well, I'll agree to a point. They'll take on a case with a low probability of winning to 1) make a point and 2) introduce legal strategies. Still, they won't take on a sure loser, and they'll make sure they have at least a hope of ultimate victory.




Obviously the ACLU thinks so, because they are arguing that the prom is the couple's means of making their point. You are arguing that this couple has the opportunity to (ahem) spread their message every day and has done so for a long time. Then why the need to (ahem) display it at the prom?

If it's been OK to "spread their message" at school for two years, why is it suddenly not OK to spread it at the school prom?

[Leroy Lizard]

The school board is duly elected under the laws of the US and the state of Mississippi, both republics. The school board's ultimate responsibility is to those republics.

No, you have it all wrong. As a private citizen, you must abide by state and national laws. That doesn't make you responsible to the state. In other words, you are not acting on behalf of the state. In fact, you can carry on a completely antagonistic quarrel with the state and you would be within your rights.


If it's been OK to "spread their message" at school for two years, why is it suddenly not OK to spread it at the school prom?

Because as far as the school board is concerned this matter isn't about spreading the message. The school board isn't trying to prevent them from telling the whole world that they are gay. This has more to do their behavior in public in terms of pubic decency.

Remember, it is the ACLU that is bastardizing our understanding of free speech to make up for what it considers a deficiency in discrimination.

Keep in mind that I'm only guessing as to the board's intent.

[BudSooner]

Hasn't this country got bigger fish to fry than worry about two vaginal candy licking people? Come on, I can think of things that warrant more attention than this.

[Leroy Lizard]

Agreed. The one got the attention she craved. Time to move on.

[yermom]

No, you have it all wrong. As a private citizen, you must abide by state and national laws. That doesn't make you responsible to the state. In other words, you are not acting on behalf of the state. In fact, you can carry on a completely antagonistic quarrel with the state and you would be within your rights.



Because as far as the school board is concerned this matter isn't about spreading the message. The school board isn't trying to prevent them from telling the whole world that they are gay. This has more to do their behavior in public in terms of pubic decency.

Remember, it is the ACLU that is bastardizing our understanding of free speech to make up for what it considers a deficiency in discrimination.

Keep in mind that I'm only guessing as to the board's intent.

what is indecent about a girl wearing a tuxedo?

[Chuck Bao]

what is indecent about a girl wearing a tuxedo?

There are religious groups who believe that women cannot wear pants. I don't know why - too threatening to the male ego?

I never quite figured that out because it doesn't seem that men commonly wore pants during that Biblical era.

[XingTheRubicon]

Little known fact I just learned. Footloose is based off of events in Elmore City, Oklahoma.

I had no idea. Carry on.


Holy crap, I've been to Elmore City. It's down by Pauls Valley. I think they've replaced dancing with meth.

[proud gonzo]

There are religious groups who believe that women cannot wear pants. I don't know why - too threatening to the male ego?

I never quite figured that out because it doesn't seem that men commonly wore pants during that Biblical era.

I think generally people who object to women in pants has something to do with immodesty and indecency. it's retarded.

[sooner59]

The crazy preacher dude that was always spouting fire and brimstone on campus in Norman was all about this. He told every girl wearing pants that she was going to hell. One day I walked past him with a Bud Light cap on here was the dialogue:

Crazy Preacher: You....you with the hat!

Me: Me?

Crazy Preacher: Yes, you. I see the sin on your head.

Me: ....(shrug)....

Crazy Preacher: You are going to hell!

Me: (flips him off).....I'll see ya there buddy. (walks off to class)

Good times.....good times...

[proud gonzo]

that dude called me a heathen and blew his whistle at me.

[btk108]

I think the SB is right for sticking by their guns. If the student body wants to have a prom on their own...AWESOME. Had the same situation here, two girls who wanted to proclaim their status..and didn't care who else it affected. What ever happened to the majority rules. We as a nation have reverted to supporting the underdog. I'm not condemning the girls choices, but why in the world does the choices of a few overrule a majority?

[btk108]

that dude called me a heathen and blew his whistle at me.

dont' make me neg him

[John Kochtoston]

No, you have it all wrong. As a private citizen, you must abide by state and national laws. That doesn't make you responsible to the state. In other words, you are not acting on behalf of the state. In fact, you can carry on a completely antagonistic quarrel with the state and you would be within your rights.

Required obedience of state laws doesn't make you responsible to the state? The school board can absolutely quarrel with the state or the federal government. However, as an arm of the state, that doesn't mean it gets to break state and federal laws, including the Constitution of both the U.S. and Mississippi. Whether they've done so or not remains to be seen.

[proud gonzo]

I think the SB is right for sticking by their guns. If the student body wants to have a prom on their own...AWESOME. Had the same situation here, two girls who wanted to proclaim their status..and didn't care who else it affected. What ever happened to the majority rules. We as a nation have reverted to supporting the underdog. I'm not condemning the girls choices, but why in the world does the choices of a few overrule a majority?I don't understand how their choices to anything to overrule a majority, except that the school canceled prom because of it. If a chick wants to wear a tux and get stared at, let her. I bet she'd be less distracting than the chicks who wear something like, for example, kellie pickler's prom dress
http://www.chickchatradio.com/ee/images/uploads/kelly-pickler-prom-dress_thumb.jpg

[btk108]

let her wear a freakin tux.....her peers will laugh and dismiss it....why has it become a national controversy? No one is doubting she is gay. She wants to take her "soulmate" to the dance. Policy is boy/girl. She should have disputed this way before now, she's had 4 years to do it. I'm sure she didn't recognize her sexualilty in the last 30 days. To do this is just grandstanding. If you're gay, hey, that's your right, but to flaunt it or demand special attention is not right. My sexual preference should not influence a nation, that's a personal preference.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I don't understand how their choices to anything to overrule a majority, except that the school canceled prom because of it. If a chick wants to wear a tux and get stared at, let her. I bet she'd be less distracting than the chicks who wear something like, for example, kellie pickler's prom dress
http://www.chickchatradio.com/ee/images/uploads/kelly-pickler-prom-dress_thumb.jpg

Are those pubes sticking out?

[C&CDean]

This is primarily targeted for Chuck, but anyone can jump in:

WTF is wrong with just being gay? Why must gay people demand not just tolerance, but acceptance? Why are these gay people being such attention whores? Whatever happened to "what happens in my bedroom is my business and none of yours?" Why can't you just go **** whoever you want and not tell everyone about it?

All I ask in response is to a) not compare gays to blacks cause that's a horse**** argument, and b) not try and tell me you've been trodden upon for so long now you just have to have parades and parties just to show straight people how wrong they've been all these years.

[NormanPride]

Well, I think it's the same for all the fringe weirdos out there. I have a gay couple living next to me, and all they want to do is chill out in their back yard and listen to Barbara Streisand. Then I have another gay friend who is uber-militant about it. She's young, though, and the dudes are older. Maybe it's an age thing?

But you see the same behavior in a lot of other groups. Hell, you see it in political threads here. Some right/left wing wacko wants everyone else to think the same way, and gets hissy if you don't. You, yourself, campaign against pot. It is your firm belief that pot rots your brain and makes you lazy. You have made a lifestyle choice, and want others to do the same. I know this example is crappy, but bear with me. It's similar, dammit!

[Jacie]

A few points:

Unless the gay girl or her special friend were to walk into the prom stark naked, none of the other students would give them a second glance. If the schools where I work (rural upstate New York) are at all representative of other highschools in this country, those kids have seen girls together.

The school board is within their rights to cancel the dance. They are not within their smarts. The fallout will be worse than the act itself. They should have let it happen and pretend not to notice.

The girl wanted to go out letting her friends see her as she sees herself. She did not go into this with the intention of shutting down the prom. The school board has now painted everyone into a corner. Can anyone suggest a compromise that will resolve the issue to everyone's (partial) satisfaction?

[yermom]

This is primarily targeted for Chuck, but anyone can jump in:

WTF is wrong with just being gay? Why must gay people demand not just tolerance, but acceptance? Why are these gay people being such attention whores? Whatever happened to "what happens in my bedroom is my business and none of yours?" Why can't you just go **** whoever you want and not tell everyone about it?

All I ask in response is to a) not compare gays to blacks cause that's a horse**** argument, and b) not try and tell me you've been trodden upon for so long now you just have to have parades and parties just to show straight people how wrong they've been all these years.

there is a difference between being gay in public and having a parade. wanting to go to prom with your SO shouldn't have to be a spectacle

[SanJoaquinSooner]

This is primarily targeted for Chuck, but anyone can jump in:

WTF is wrong with just being gay? Why must gay people demand not just tolerance, but acceptance? Why are these gay people being such attention whores? Whatever happened to "what happens in my bedroom is my business and none of yours?" Why can't you just go **** whoever you want and not tell everyone about it?

All I ask in response is to a) not compare gays to blacks cause that's a horse**** argument, and b) not try and tell me you've been trodden upon for so long now you just have to have parades and parties just to show straight people how wrong they've been all these years.

There are several levels of justifications for not expecting gays to stay in the closet.


My sister and I attended Putnam City Schools during the 1960s. At that time, she was required to wear either a skirt or dress to school each day, as were all female students and teachers. She could not wear slacks or jeans because she was female. Why did they have this rule? The school board, Superintendent Kirkland, and his cronies (all males of course) were cultural conservatives who believed that's the way it should be for women. The first time my sister ever wore slacks or jeans to school was as a freshman at OU.

A female who wants to wear slacks or jeans, just as a male student could, wasn't the one with a problem. The school administrators were the ones with the problems - controls freaks who were uncomfortable when they weren't in control of others' behaviors.

On one level, gay rights issues are really gender issues. The female student wishing to attend the prom with a female date and wearing a tux is wanting to do something she can't do simply because she is female.

On a second level, it is a freedom of association issue. This has been linked by the courts to free speech. One does not really have the rights of free speech if one is restricted with whom one associates. She was told she had to arrive at the prom separately from her female friend!?! Private organizations (e.g., Catholic schools or the boy scouts) may have restrictions like this, but not public institutions.

A third level, and in my mind the most important level, is based on the concept of freedom and liberty. She's a ****ing American! Americans cherish freedom and liberty, which includes the freedom to speak and behave in a way that may cause a bug to crawl up the a$$holes of a few old control-freak geezers.

Going to a prom with a same-sex date does not mean they will perform oral sex on the dance floor or will fondle each other. It is unlikely to cause any of the attendees to perform poorly on their next algebra exam. In others words, one should have the freedom to do what one wants so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.... pretty much the classical libertarian position. Really, what's the big deal? Why would any reasonable person get bent out of shape over such benign behavior?

[Chuck Bao]

This is primarily targeted for Chuck, but anyone can jump in:

WTF is wrong with just being gay? Why must gay people demand not just tolerance, but acceptance? Why are these gay people being such attention whores? Whatever happened to "what happens in my bedroom is my business and none of yours?" Why can't you just go **** whoever you want and not tell everyone about it?

All I ask in response is to a) not compare gays to blacks cause that's a horse**** argument, and b) not try and tell me you've been trodden upon for so long now you just have to have parades and parties just to show straight people how wrong they've been all these years.

Talk about a horse**** argument. I am not surprised, though, because you have repeatedly posted that gay people can do anything that they like in the privacy of their own bedroom (we are talking only about consenting adults here) but they should not make their relationship public. The key thing is that gay relationships are not just about sex. You and many others want to define a gay relationship in terms of the physical act of sex and penis pentration and it is clear that it is an attempt to frame the debate as much as possible as vile and revolting as possible.

Think about it for a second. What if someone just wanted to denigrate your relationship with your wife to just sex and penis pentration and you couldn't admit to a loving and caring relationship in public? You would not go along with that for a second I am sure of it.

Why would anyone think that being born gay is any different than being born as a minority? There are prejudices, clearly. The key thing is to get over it and see the person as who they are.

I also very much disagree with PG. There are religious groups that object to women wearing pants. That is because of a clearly misognistic idea that women should never pretend to be like men. My sister went to her husband's church and she was forced to wear a skirt or a dress to the church service.

That does frame this debate appropriately in my view. My sister never wears a dress. That is not who she is. There was no doubt that she was thinking that her relationship with God and her place in Heaven was not based on her conforming to wearing a dress. She divorced her husband and now attends a church in her blue jeans and she actually feels closer to God in her everyday jeans. That is only what I want. Not to parade, but to wear my everyday jeans and be myself. What is so wrong with that?

[NormanPride]

Nothing wrong with it, but I find it annoying when people shout from the mountains that they're different and proud. Yes, you're different. Just like everyone else.

[ADs_Agent]

There are religious groups who believe that women cannot wear pants. I don't know why - too threatening to the male ego?

I never quite figured that out because it doesn't seem that men commonly wore pants during that Biblical era.

If you want to pull up a chair I could tell you why you're wrong on so many levels friend and how men and women did not wear the same articles of clothing in the BIble.

[yermom]

that doesn't mean that they wore pants :D

[JohnnyMack]

Religion should have nothing to do with how an individual is viewed in the eyes of a government. Although convincing the bible thumpers around these parts otherwise is pretty much impossible.

[stoopified]

Hope the dykes are happy. They ruined the event for everyone else...because just being a dyke doesn't do it for them. They have to push it even further, to the one with the deeper voice dressing like a man so they can get the level of attention they so desperately crave.Don't let LAS hear you talking like that,he will go ballistic.

[yermom]

Religion should have nothing to do with how an individual is viewed in the eyes of a government. Although convincing the bible thumpers around these parts otherwise is pretty much impossible.

or gender...

[JohnnyMack]

or gender...

I meant people shouldn't use the narrative of a religion to evaluate political decisions.

[tulsaoilerfan]

So what's wrong with a little lesbian action at the prom? Wake the **** up people!!

[King Barry's Back]

How the hell is that different from what so many kids do anyway? I can guarantee thatif the girl agreed to wear a dress and the prom went on as planned there would be plenty of other examples of immorality in effect.

Maybe it's time to get rid of proms? A little antiquated, anyway, aren't they?

Just sayin'.

[Jacie]

Maybe it's time to get rid of proms? A little antiquated, anyway, aren't they?

Just sayin'.

I guess you weren't turned down by the girl you asked to the prom because you didn't have the nerve to talk to her in the first place?

[Crucifax Autumn]

My post was sarcastic, but stopping them altogether actually is the lgical conclusion if biblical morality has to be enforced at the prom.

[Crucifax Autumn]

A few points:

Unless the gay girl or her special friend were to walk into the prom stark naked, none of the other students would give them a second glance. If the schools where I work (rural upstate New York) are at all representative of other highschools in this country, those kids have seen girls together.

?

Isn't it somewhere in your neighborhood where the teacher is getting sued for calling some kid a "fag" and assorted other cruel names?

[Jacie]

There was an issue with a tenured teacher who referred to a student by a name, it wasn't gay, but only to some other teachers in a staff room. It somehow got out and the administration was under pressure from the board to discipline (fire) the guy but the union raised bloody hell and it finally went away.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Where was that exactly? I never could figure it out, but something about the story made me think of Clayville where I lived up there, just outside of Utica.

[Jacie]

Actually, I live a little bit north of those places. I can't see Russia from my house, but I'm just a 45 minute drive from being able to see Canada.

[King Barry's Back]

I guess you weren't turned down by the girl you asked to the prom because you didn't have the nerve to talk to her in the first place?

Huh?

[GKeeper316]

It's the wearing of the tuxedo that I find to be the problem. There should be strict standards of decorum and dress that should be met by everyone regardless of sexual orientation. If she wants to bring her girlfriend then fine, but as long as both of them have a vagina they should both be in a dress that conforms with the school's policy.

schools arent allowed to make policies like that.

its like my high school. they had a rule that guys couldnt wear earrings. i got my ear pierced and dared them to suspend me so my lawyer dad could sue the **** out of them.

they changed their illegal policy instead.

if you allow a person of one gender to do or wear something, the same must be extended to all people regardless of race gender creed or religion.

its called the bill of rights. try to brush up, kid.

[GKeeper316]

If you want to pull up a chair I could tell you why you're wrong on so many levels friend and how men and women did not wear the same articles of clothing in the BIble.

pants didnt become popular until the reconnaissance. up until then men wore what could best be described as skirts (togas, robes, kilts, etc.)

[yermom]

i remember in Tulsa when i was in junior high there were guys in the paper that wore mini-skirts to school because they couldn't wear shorts, but girls could wear mini-skirts

[King Barry's Back]

My post was sarcastic, but stopping them altogether actually is the lgical conclusion if biblical morality has to be enforced at the prom.

My post about ending proms wasn't really based on the question of this particular lesbian, and really wasn't well thought out anyway.

It was just kind of a reaction to the fact that over the years it seems I've heard more controversy about proms (remember "prom mom", for example? Or about 5 years ago there was all that noise about that kind of dancing where the kids pretended to have sex?) and rights, and behavior and discipline and all the rest that this latest controversy kind of had me thinking "Are proms really worth the trouble?"

And then, in reaction to this thread, I started thinking about the educational mission of schools, and how prom seems to be a big distraction from that, and largely a pain in the *** for schools in general, and I kind of thought, "You know, they aren't really worth the trouble, are they?"

And as I read the various arguments above, and how some were arguing that it was a major violations of the lesbian's civil/human rights to deny her the right to take her girlfriend to the prom, I thought, yeah, those are reasonable positions, but proms are pretty lame.

And then I read other posts about how the schools have the right to set standards of behavior that might ban females wearing male-clothing, or might ban physical contact or what have you, and I thought, yeah, those are reasonable postions, but proms are pretty lame.

And in the end, I just kind of thought proms seem to me to be relics of a bygone time, inconsistent with what schools should be doing (in my opinion), and because proms are official school functions (and most children attend public schools) proms get wrapped up in arguments over the role of government, versus the role of the free citizens, etc.

And it just seemed to me that, really, why should schools have these things? Really, if people want to throw a prom w/o the school's imprimature, it would be pretty easy.

And it's not like kids today don't have plenty of recreational options.

Why not just go to a club, leave the school out of it, and call it a day? (And I realize we have a national drinking age of 21, but that's a different issue altogether.)

And, CAutumn, if you think about it -- ending official school involvement in throwing proms is the logical outcome to enforcing ANY morality. And no school could throw a prom w/o strict limits on behavior -- they are still schools.

[Chuck Bao]

I think ADs_Agent is saying that men and women dressed differently throughout Biblical times. It's not so much who wears the pants, so to speak.

I imagine that was the case and women liked to accessorize back then just like today. The proof of that is scriptural with Deuteronomy 22:5 (New Living Translation) "A woman must not put on men's clothing, and a man must not wear women's clothing. Anyone who does this is detestable in the sight of the LORD your God."

On the other hand, slavery was fine back then and slave owners probably didn't worry so much that both men and women slaves wore very simple and similar singlets with little to no accessories. But, slaves didn't count and I got nothing.

[King Barry's Back]

Sure, you can always sue. You can't always successfully sue. The ACLU is not likely going to take on a case it doesn't think it has a chance of winning, though.

If they're a couple, the students at the school have already been exposed to their sexuality for at least two years without ill effect or previous uproar.

I believe both of these points are wrong. I am NOT doing the research, but I bet you the ACLU has filed many cases it knew to be losing cases based on principle (principal?). Or, even more important, fundraising. In other words, they file cases that will generate a lot of attention, and will make the ACLU look like crusading heroes to their own constituencies, so that those constituencies will in turn continue to/begin donating money.

Regarding your second point -- That the other students would have been exposed to their sexuality for at least two years is pure speculation. How long have these girls been an item? We don't know. How long have these girls, or even just the famous one, been open lesbians? We don't know. How long have these girls even been lesbians? (Sex experts I have heard comment state that females realize their orientation at a later age than males.) Are these girls actually even lesbians? (Maybe they are bi-sexual, maybe their sexuality is fluid? Maybe they are only experimenting?) Maybe this a phase? (Let's face it, lesbian coupling is EXTREMELY trendy right now. And how do you classify an Anne Heche -- who carried on a high-profile all-girls relationship, the stress drove her over the edge, and she wound up married to a man and having babies?)

There are just so many questions we don't have answers to. For example, why have we heard nothing (not even a name!? or a quote) from the other girl.

I am becoming ever more curious about this.

[King Barry's Back]

So what's wrong with a little lesbian action at the prom? Wake the **** up people!!

With you on that, my friend! Where were these girls at our prom?;)

[SanJoaquinSooner]

KBB, I agree that proms might be an outdated event, better run by outside organizations. After-school "varsity" sports might also be best off run by private, non-profit organizations especially in these days of school budget crises. It should take the back seat to the academic mission.

[Chuck Bao]

My post about ending proms wasn't really based on the question of this particular lesbian, and really wasn't well thought out anyway.

It was just kind of a reaction to the fact that over the years it seems I've heard more controversy about proms (remember "prom mom", for example? Or about 5 years ago there was all that noise about that kind of dancing where the kids pretended to have sex?) and rights, and behavior and discipline and all the rest that this latest controversy kind of had me thinking "Are proms really worth the trouble?"

And then, in reaction to this thread, I started thinking about the educational mission of schools, and how prom seems to be a big distraction from that, and largely a pain in the *** for schools in general, and I kind of thought, "You know, they aren't really worth the trouble, are they?"

And as I read the various arguments above, and how some were arguing that it was a major violations of the lesbian's civil/human rights to deny her the right to take her girlfriend to the prom, I thought, yeah, those are reasonable positions, but proms are pretty lame.

And then I read other posts about how the schools have the right to set standards of behavior that might ban females wearing male-clothing, or might ban physical contact or what have you, and I thought, yeah, those are reasonable postions, but proms are pretty lame.

And in the end, I just kind of thought proms seem to me to be relics of a bygone time, inconsistent with what schools should be doing (in my opinion), and because proms are official school functions (and most children attend public schools) proms get wrapped up in arguments over the role of government, versus the role of the free citizens, etc.

And it just seemed to me that, really, why should schools have these things? Really, if people want to throw a prom w/o the school's imprimature, it would be pretty easy.

And it's not like kids today don't have plenty of recreational options.

Why not just go to a club, leave the school out of it, and call it a day? (And I realize we have a national drinking age of 21, but that's a different issue altogether.)

And, CAutumn, if you think about it -- ending official school involvement in throwing proms is the logical outcome to enforcing ANY morality. And no school could throw a prom w/o strict limits on behavior -- they are still schools.

The high school prom is a rite of passage in our culture, a sign of gaining maturity and pairing off or learning how to in a formal setting. I would hate to see that tradition ened.

Okay, kids grow up much faster these days, but I wouldn't want them to learn how to respect and show appropriate social behavior towards the opposite sex (or the same sex for that matter) from a night club.

That is even more the reason to allow gay couples to attend and not exclude them as outcasts or social undesirables. The near perfect example would be mixed race couples 50 years ago.

[King Barry's Back]

Little known fact I just learned. Footloose is based off of events in Elmore City, Oklahoma.

I had no idea. Carry on.

Correction. It was based on events in Henryetta, Oklahoma. Well, Henryetta was one of a handful of "inspirations" for the movie. I know this for a fact because Kasey Kasem actually called our city hall and asked our city manager for a quote regarding the movie. So it is possible that Elmore City also had a role. I don't want to give them short shrift.

As far as the historical events -- I can say the movie was VERY LOOSELY based on what happened. There was no crusading preacher or anything remotely like that.

There was just an old law from territorial days that was gathering mold until somebody decided to go all national press with it.

[tulsaoilerfan]

With you on that, my friend! Where were these girls at our prom?;)

Hell they could have been there i'm not sure we knew what a lesbian was back then buddy lol

[Ardmore_Sooner]

Correction. It was based on events in Henryetta, Oklahoma. Well, Henryetta was one of a handful of "inspirations" for the movie. I know this for a fact because Kasey Kasem actually called our city hall and asked our city manager for a quote regarding the movie. So it is possible that Elmore City also had a role. I don't want to give them short shrift.

As far as the historical events -- I can say the movie was VERY LOOSELY based on what happened. There was no crusading preacher or anything remotely like that.

There was just an old law from territorial days that was gathering mold until somebody decided to go all national press with it.

I'm just going off of wikipedia and this article

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20076503,00.html

[Leroy Lizard]

That is even more the reason to allow gay couples to attend and not exclude them as outcasts or social undesirables. The near perfect example would be mixed race couples 50 years ago.

At the same time, the school system is not supposed to act as a parent. Schools need to be careful about pushing morality on students, one way or the other.

[Jacie]

KBB, I agree that proms might be an outdated event, better run by outside organizations. After-school "varsity" sports might also be best off run by private, non-profit organizations especially in these days of school budget crises. It should take the back seat to the academic mission.

A decent booster club could come up with the funding to pay for kids to participate in a team sport (coaching, equipment, uniforms, transportation, and insurance come to mind) but I doubt they could find enough money to build or even rent the facilities (stadium, arena, field), which would have to be off-campus if the aim is to get schools out of the extracurricular business.

This issue of schools funding any extracurricular activities is being hotly debated by school boards and taxpayers in the districts here because all of the schools are facing budget shortfalls due to reduced state and federal support.

The idea does have merit and should be explored.

[Scott D]

I understand the premise in this incident, and I think it's stupid.

IF as some of you have intimated, they're afraid of how these two girls would act at the prom dressed as a traditional couple, then they'd better get to policing how kids dance today.

A school up here cancelled a dance because the kids wouldn't sign a waiver stating that they would not do 'freak' dancing which is the current craze these days. Apparently simulating sex acts as dancing isn't the right thing to do, but the kids wouldn't sign so the dance was cancelled. Despite at least one used condom being found on the dance floor after the previous dance (which is what sparked the school to insist on the waiver).

[Chuck Bao]

I understand the premise in this incident, and I think it's stupid.

IF as some of you have intimated, they're afraid of how these two girls would act at the prom dressed as a traditional couple, then they'd better get to policing how kids dance today.

A school up here cancelled a dance because the kids wouldn't sign a waiver stating that they would not do 'freak' dancing which is the current craze these days. Apparently simulating sex acts as dancing isn't the right thing to do, but the kids wouldn't sign so the dance was cancelled. Despite at least one used condom being found on the dance floor after the previous dance (which is what sparked the school to insist on the waiver).

That is pretty sick. I ddin't know they are actually having sex on the dance floor these days and, if they are, I hope that they are all of legal age. And then, turn the spot lights on them and it will eventually find its way on you tube. Congrats.

What are the motivations of someone throwing away a used condom on a dance floor? They're terrorists. When I'm dancing, I don't want to have to keep looking down and watching my next step like I am in a cow pasture. Okay, I did learn to dance in a cow pasture but that is not the point.

I also think it is stupid, Scott D. You wouldn't have the problem of used condoms on the dance floor if the lesbians were dancing together.

I think you guys and gals have it all wrong. It is not about the gays doing their pride and parade thing. You straights have your own butt-load of problems and I'm sure the gays make a more convenient whipping boy, so to speak.

[Leroy Lizard]

That is pretty sick. I ddin't know they are actually having sex on the dance floor these days and, if they are, I hope that they are all of legal age. And then, turn the spot lights on them and it will eventually find its way on you tube. Congrats.

Kids today don't care.

[Scott D]

Chuck, they are high school kids, I think it's safe to say there were a fair share of them that are not of legal age.

The clothing debate is one that we could have forever though. More and more schools are insisting on some type of dress code in an effort to stem some forms of violence that happen on school campuses. Technically it's been argued that by limiting what a child can wear and in some cases how they wear their hair is harmful to their freedom of expression. But those same individuals have no problem with the fact that in 90+% of private schools they have to follow those same rules, and public school working toward some of the ideas that private schools use that work aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Honestly, I believe it would have been a whole lot better in this situation if the girl's sexual preference (yeah I know it's a debatable term Chuck) was left out of the story, and it simply be a case of a girl that wanted to wear a tuxedo instead of a prom dress. This would definitely have been treated more as a novelty than the way it is.

[Wishboned]

pants didnt become popular until the reconnaissance. up until then men wore what could best be described as skirts (togas, robes, kilts, etc.)

That was a good thing.

Going recon in a skirt would have been really tough.

[MR2-Sooner86]

I guess the adults who are doing this forgot about college and high school parties that kids usually go to. I've seen a hell of a lot worse than a chick in a tux or even two girls kissing.

SAVE THE CHILDREN!!! :rolleyes:

[Leroy Lizard]

I guess the adults who are doing this forgot about college and high school parties that kids usually go to. I've seen a hell of a lot worse than a chick in a tux or even two girls kissing.

Those are not school-sanctioned events.

My gut feeling is that if the two girls had not decided to seek publicity for their plans, none of this would have taken place. By playing it up, they forced the school board to take a stand one way or the other. In a way, they wanted the stage and they got it. The ones that will suffer the most are the other kids.

[Chuck Bao]

You are clueless as always, Leroy. I highly doubt these girls wanted to make a statement that was carried around the world. They probably just wanted to go to the prom together. It is pretty simple thing. But, I am glad that they held to their convictions. Surely, you have to admire them for standing up and saying that it is a little more than going independently and then dancing together.

[Leroy Lizard]

"highly doubt," "probably." You don't even know yourself.

[Chuck Bao]

"highly doubt," "probably." You don't even know yourself.

What the hell? Are you saying that I have never experienced prejudice? If you are saying that this is just a pity ploy to get attention, then you are wrong. Any attempt to turn this issue around into media whores is just so wrong. That's offensive. And, you should be ashamed.

[Leroy Lizard]

If you are saying that this is just a pity ploy to get attention, then you are wrong.

How can you know this for a fact?


Any attempt to turn this issue around into media whores is just so wrong. That's offensive. And, you should be ashamed.

Are you suggesting that such behavior can never take place?

Yes or no? Come out and say it.

[yermom]

you made the assertion. do you know how or why it went down the way it did?

i'm sure you'd rather gay people stay in the closet so you can pretend they don't exist

[Chuck Bao]

Do you realize how stupid you sound? So, all gay people are out for media attention and are not really gay? Or, they have to prove it? Seriously?

[SanJoaquinSooner]

My gut feeling is that if the two girls had not decided to seek publicity for their plans, none of this would have taken place. By playing it up, they forced the school board to take a stand one way or the other. In a way, they wanted the stage and they got it. The ones that will suffer the most are the other kids.

1. There was a rule against same-sex dates for proms at this school. What you are implying is that they should have risked spending the money (ordinarily a significant amount for the average teen) for the clothes and the tickets and accessories, taking a chance that the authorities at the prom would turn a blind eye toward their rule-breaking. That would be not only a financial risk, but an emotional risk of having high anicipation of attending the prom only to find out the rule is actually enforced. If this unjust rule was actually enforced, it would be too late to do anything about it. Trying to solve a problem after the fact doesn't make sense.

2. I tip my hat to the young lady for having the courage of her convictions in spite of the likely event of being called an attention whore, fag, etc. I admire her for her courage.

[Leroy Lizard]

you made the assertion. do you know how or why it went down the way it did?

I said it was based on a gut feel, not fact. If I felt it was a fact, I would have said so.

[Leroy Lizard]

Do you realize how stupid you sound? ..

For once, try to formulate a response without the obligatory cheap shot. You don't score points for this crap.

[Leroy Lizard]

There was a rule against same-sex dates for proms at this school. What you are implying is that they should have risked spending the money (ordinarily a significant amount for the average teen) for the clothes and the tickets and accessories, taking a chance that the authorities at the prom would turn a blind eye toward their rule-breaking. That would be not only a financial risk, but an emotional risk of having high anicipation of attending the prom only to find out the rule is actually enforced. If this unjust rule was actually enforced, it would be too late to do anything about it. Trying to solve a problem after the fact doesn't make sense.

That's one of the better arguments I have seen in their support. I'm not sure I buy it, but it at least makes sense.

[ADs_Agent]

pants didnt become popular until the reconnaissance. up until then men wore what could best be described as skirts (togas, robes, kilts, etc.)

Men and women had distinctive dress in the Bible, anyone who has studied Bible culture knows this.

[yermom]

they still were dictated by culture. does it mention pants as specifically male? tuxedos?

[ADs_Agent]

they still were dictated by culture. nothing mentions pants as specifically male

Well not per se, men were breeches under their robes, whereas women did not.

[Leroy Lizard]

It makes no difference. The school board is not trying to rebuild early Hebrew culture.