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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 01:08 PM
Presidential Popularity Poll: http://newsmax.com/Headline/poll-clinton-obama-bush/2010/03/07/id/351887?s=al&promo_code=98D5-1

Mjcpr
3/8/2010, 01:12 PM
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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 01:14 PM
To STILL prefer the Chairman over ANYBODY is sad, indeed.

XingTheRubicon
3/8/2010, 03:52 PM
Clinton was the most effective President in the last 40 years.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 03:55 PM
Clinton was the most effective President in the last 40 years.Whachu smokin', bubba?

or...if IMPEACHED = EFFECTIVE...then, YEAH!

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 04:19 PM
The only good thing Clinton did was moderate a little and he got popular. The most effective president was Reagan. His policies led to a really prosperous time through the 90s. And Clinton also did similar things to Reagan when he had a mini recession during his term. Clinton was a decent president compared to any of the ones alive right now because he was actual a politician and was able to get a few things done. The Bush's, Carter, and Obama never really got much of anything done.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 04:26 PM
Clinton was/is a thug who brought grand scale corruption in, and got away with most of it. The Bammer is off the scale.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 04:30 PM
Whachu smokin', bubba?

or...if IMPEACHED = EFFECTIVE...then, YEAH!
Clinton's impeachment had less to do with his effectiveness and more to do with the partisan idiots in Congress being partisan idiots.

Oh...and his penis.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 04:31 PM
The only good thing Clinton did was moderate a little and he got popular. The most effective president was Reagan. His policies led to a really prosperous time through the 90s. And Clinton also did similar things to Reagan when he had a mini recession during his term. Clinton was a decent president compared to any of the ones alive right now because he was actual a politician and was able to get a few things done. The Bush's, Carter, and Obama never really got much of anything done.Obama hasn't gotten anything done?

What about destroying America? :pop:

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 04:32 PM
Put me on ignore, little guy.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 04:36 PM
Obama hasn't gotten anything done?

What about destroying America? :pop:

He can't get his 2 big bills passed because they are so big and badly written that nobody will allow them to pass. Cap and Trade and ObamaCare bills which are what will define this presidency probably won't get passed and it'll make it look like Obama got nothing done. Yes he's passed all this stimulus and pork stuff passed but that's exactly what our last president did and people were mad at him for doing that. As far as the major issues Obama is going to fail.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 04:39 PM
Put me on ignore, little guy.
Why? You amuse me, little fella.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 04:41 PM
He can't get his 2 big bills passed because they are so big and badly written that nobody will allow them to pass. Cap and Trade and ObamaCare bills which are what will define this presidency probably won't get passed and it'll make it look like Obama got nothing done. Yes he's passed all this stimulus and pork stuff passed but that's exactly what our last president did and people were mad at him for doing that. As far as the major issues Obama is going to fail.Saying he is "going to fail" and saying he "already has failed" are two very different statements, wouldn't you agree?

As for why the bills are failing, I would attribute that less to how they are written and more to the "Policy of No" that is all the Republicans in Congress seem to be able to muster as a platform.

In reality, while not perfect, they certainly are better than the status quo on both issues at hand.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 04:45 PM
He can't get his 2 big bills passed because they are so big and badly written that nobody will allow them to pass. Cap and Trade and ObamaCare bills which are what will define this presidency probably won't get passed and it'll make it look like Obama got nothing done. Yes he's passed all this stimulus and pork stuff passed but that's exactly what our last president did and people were mad at him for doing that. As far as the major issues Obama is going to fail.Betcha there will be an Obamacare bill pass, and pretty soon.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 04:51 PM
I sure hope so. It's about time we got into the 21st century along with the rest of Western Civilization.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 04:54 PM
Saying he is "going to fail" and saying he "already has failed" are two very different statements, wouldn't you agree?

As for why the bills are failing, I would attribute that less to how they are written and more to the "Policy of No" that is all the Republicans in Congress seem to be able to muster as a platform.

In reality, while not perfect, they certainly are better than the status quo on both issues at hand.

One of them(Cap and Trade) is dead. The other one probably will be dead.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 04:55 PM
I sure hope so. It's about time we got into the 21st century along with the rest of Western Civilization.

You mean like most of Europe which is going or will be completely bankrupt? You mean like Canada where you pay more for everything than you ever can here and still have a doctor shortage. Yeah everywhere else except here is perfect.

Universal health care is based off of 19-20th century socialist tactics. Not a 21st century new thing.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 05:01 PM
When was the last time you were actually IN Europe?

Dude, Europe is rocking our faces off right now. Look at the strength of the Euro when compared to the Dollar.

And we should BE so lucky to have the health care and working hours/vacation time that Europe does. Trust me.

Personally I think Obamacare will pass in a watered down form. And I'm very happy about it even though it'll be 20 years of revisions and tweaking before it is what it really should be.

tommieharris91
3/8/2010, 05:02 PM
Dude, Europe is rocking our faces off right now. Look at the strength of the Euro when compared to the Dollar.


I really wouldn't have used this to try to prove a point.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 05:03 PM
Why not? Strength of currency can be a strong indicator of the health of an economy. (NZ Kiwi, notwithstanding)

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 05:07 PM
The Euro is falling apart. It came from being about 2-1 to the dollar to being 1.3-1 to the dollar in about a year. The Pound is the big currency right now but the dollar is gaining on it also. It's only 1.5-1 to the dollar.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 05:09 PM
Man...I need to get back over to Europe! :D

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 05:11 PM
The European countries are spending like there's no tomorrow. Eventually that is going to lead to your currency meaning nothing because it'll be so inflated. We are starting to spend like that also. Pretty soon all of the big currencies will crash and mean nothing if the spending continues.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
3/8/2010, 05:12 PM
Ain't nuthin' done right like the govt. does it right. Above reproach, and the ultimate in trustworthiness, haha. "From each, yada yada, to each, badda-bing!" Barack Hussein Obama, Mmm Mmm Mmm! Where's my uniform?

tommieharris91
3/8/2010, 05:13 PM
Why not? Strength of currency can be a strong indicator of the health of an economy. (NZ Kiwi, notwithstanding)

It's really not. The dollar started strengthening as the stock market crashed in 2008, and was weakening during the boom that came before it.

LosAngelesSooner
3/8/2010, 05:15 PM
All I know is that I'm gonna do my month-long tour of the Rhineland and Swiss Alps much sooner than I expected! LOL :D

tommieharris91
3/8/2010, 05:16 PM
The European countries are spending like there's no tomorrow. Eventually that is going to lead to your currency meaning nothing because it'll be so inflated. We are starting to spend like that also. Pretty soon all of the big currencies will crash and mean nothing if the spending continues.

Also not true, especially in the Euro zone (in fact, Spain is spending from a surplus). Countries like Greece cannot print Euros. Thus, they cannot inflate their own currency.

Also, the US deficit & debt has not caused any actual inflation because not a dollar of that debt has been monetized. It certainly can in the future, though.

OklahomaTuba
3/8/2010, 05:24 PM
in fact, Spain is spending from a surplusUmm, spain has one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in Europe, and its getting much worse.

But, like Greece, its just the debt we know of. No telling how much Goldman Sachs has helped them hide from the Germans.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 05:36 PM
Also not true, especially in the Euro zone (in fact, Spain is spending from a surplus). Countries like Greece cannot print Euros. Thus, they cannot inflate their own currency.

Also, the US deficit & debt has not caused any actual inflation because not a dollar of that debt has been monetized. It certainly can in the future, though.

These countries are spending money trying to entitle everyone to things and they can't pay for them. Everyone should have health care, homes, college education. It would be cheaper if not everything was entitled to everything that they are entitled to now. Not everyone needs health care. Sick people need health care but not everyone needs health care insurance. For example, I don't have any reason to have health insurance. But if they want people want these things they can earn things like health care and everything else that is trying to be entitled to everyone now need to be earned not just given to people. What's happening in Europe right now is the same thing that happened 100 years ago. Communist vs Fascist. And really there's not that much a difference between the two. Both want big government.

tommieharris91
3/8/2010, 05:38 PM
Umm, spain has one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in Europe, and its getting much worse.


OK, I was wrong about Spain speding from a surplus, but within the Eurozone, Germany and the Netherlands both have higher debt-to-GDP ratios than Spain.

No shock that Keynesian thinking countries would spend like crazy during a bad recession, though.

OklahomaTuba
3/8/2010, 05:42 PM
Problem is, no one really knows how bad off these countries are. Goldman Sachs helped Greece hide their debt.

And the first time Keynesian economics actually works, will be the first time. Just ask Japan (been doing it for 20+ years).

soonerscuba
3/8/2010, 05:42 PM
The European countries are spending like there's no tomorrow. Eventually that is going to lead to your currency meaning nothing because it'll be so inflated. We are starting to spend like that also. Pretty soon all of the big currencies will crash and mean nothing if the spending continues.LOL. Insightful and on point as usual. The Euro is in trouble because of the banking sector playing their hand at emerging markets (unwisely) coupled with their own real estate bubble. Gov't spending certainly factors, but saying they spend too much and that's why the Euro tanked is something of a non-starter in the currency sector. Look at Japan in regards to debt and tell me why they are not in the same boat as Greece, the answer lies in available credit, not some naive dream of gov't intervention run amok.

tommieharris91
3/8/2010, 05:49 PM
Problem is, no one really knows how bad off these countries are. Goldman Sachs helped Greece hide their debt.

And the first time Keynesian economics actually works, will be the first time. Just ask Japan (been doing it for 20+ years).

I'm just gonna mention that Japan has a 4% unemployment rate right now.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 05:49 PM
LOL. Insightful and on point as usual. The Euro is in trouble because of the banking sector playing their hand at emerging markets (unwisely) coupled with their own real estate bubble. Gov't spending certainly factors, but saying they spend too much and that's why the Euro tanked is something of a non-starter in the currency sector. Look at Japan in regards to debt and tell me why they are not in the same boat as Greece, the answer lies in available credit, not some naive dream of gov't intervention run amok.

Japan is getting more money coming in. How many new innovations are coming to Greece compared to Japan?

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 05:51 PM
I'm just gonna mention that Japan has a 4% unemployment rate right now.

And Japan is an island that's not even the size of California and has around 130 million people.

OklahomaTuba
3/8/2010, 05:52 PM
Look at Japan in regards to debt and tell me why they are not in the same boat as Greece, the answer lies in available credit, not some naive dream of gov't intervention run amok.

Credit?

Oh dear lord, you're really not that clueless, are you??

XingTheRubicon
3/8/2010, 06:12 PM
The only good thing Clinton did was moderate a little and he got popular. The most effective president was Reagan. His policies led to a really prosperous time through the 90s. And Clinton also did similar things to Reagan when he had a mini recession during his term. Clinton was a decent president compared to any of the ones alive right now because he was actual a politician and was able to get a few things done. The Bush's, Carter, and Obama never really got much of anything done.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I just go by results and numbers, not political affiliation. I'm a Republican, btw.


Reagan spent us into oblivion, Clinton left with a surplus. Welfare reform, etc.

ndpruitt03
3/8/2010, 06:16 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention, I just go by results and numbers, not political affiliation. I'm a Republican, btw.


Reagan spent us into oblivion, Clinton left with a surplus. Welfare reform, etc.
Reagan did spend a ton. If he just hadn't done all that spending he would have been perfect, because his other policies allowed for a lot easier time for Clinton in the 90s. The only real problem with Clinton was his soft take our troops and national security. Especially after the WTC bombing.

Scott D
3/8/2010, 06:31 PM
it's cute when nick talks politics,