Eilson, because you are dead wrong

[Collier11]

98-99

10-1 Wisconsin
10-1 Ucla
10-1 Ohio state...all left out of natl title game

99-00

BCS did a good job

00-01

10-1 Washington
10-1 Miami (who beat Florida state) left out

01-02

10-1 Oregon
10-1 Illinois
10-1 Maryland all left out, most people thought Oregon got completely robbed as Nebraska got the bid

02-03

Iowa and Georgia were both 1 loss teams, while the championship was likely correct with Ohio state and Miami, being undefeated doesnt mean you are the best in the nation automatically

03-04

1 loss USC and 1 loss Florida state left out, USC had the biggest gripe

04-05

Auburn and Utah undefeated, tex had 1 loss. Sure we can say that Auburn shoulda played a tougher sched but that doesnt mean they werent just as good as OU and usc

05-06

Pretty much nailed it but there were still two 1 loss teams that got left out

06-07

1 loss Michigan, 1 loss Louisville and undefeated Boise all left out

07-08

undefeated Hawaii, 2 loss OU, 2 loss Georgia, 2 loss USC, 2 loss WVU, 1 loss KU, 2 loss Mizzou, 2 loss Va Tech all left out while the teams playing for the natl title, LSU (2 losses) and Ohio state (1 loss) get in

08-09

1 loss usc and penn state, undefeated utah, 1 loss Alabama, and 1 loss texas all left out over two teams who each had 1 loss, Florida and OU

09-10

Probably had it right but we still had undefeated Boise, 1 loss Florida, undefeated TCU and Cincy all left out

[goingoneight]

People actually take the time to try and reason with the B-C-mess?

[Collier11]

not reasoning with the BCS, trying to reason with Eilson. He says that the BCS gets the two best teams and I said rarely

[goingoneight]

I can agree with "rarely." LSU and OSU in 2007 was a snoozer of a "championship."

[sooner59]

Collier: Yes, rarely.

goingoneight: I agree. I barely watched any of it.

[NormanPride]

I don't think I watched that one. The real MNC was our game vs. WVU. :( Too bad we had the injury bug again (and played like crap).

[Eielson]

Okay, now defend your claim.


not getting into a cfb discussion but if you think cfb crowns the best team you are sorely mistaken. It crowns the best team out of the 2 who are selected and leaves out 4-5 other teams who are just as good in most seasons

[sooner94]

Little side note here on the 2000-2001 season. Miami was pissed because they were left out of the title game even though they beat Florida State (as stated above). Washington was left out of the title game with one loss. Guess who Miami's one loss was to?

Washington.

I really enjoyed arguing with Miami fans the month leading up to the title game. I just told them "Based on your logic of the head to head win being the deciding factor of who gets to play in the title game, you should be arguing for Washington to play OU since you lost to Washington."

Who knew a similar argument would apply after the 2008 season? Not a 3-way tie in both cases, but kind of similar. I always thought Miami got left out because the voters would have had to put Washington in the title game if they looked at head to head match-ups.

[Collier11]

Okay, now defend your claim.

I guess you missed my first post in this thread where I gave you ample examples

[JLEW1818]

i think 2004 Auburn, and 2009 Cincinnati are the only teams that can truly bitch.

BCS conference, undefeated.


the big east winner may not mean much now... but that is just my opinion.

[Collier11]

There were plenty of reasons when 1 or more of the teams in the natl title had 1 or more losses, plenty of teams had reasons to bitch those years

[JLEW1818]

just win all your games tho. it kinda starts there.

excluding Auburn and Cincy.. and Utah and Boise if u wanna throw them in

[Eielson]

I guess you missed my first post in this thread where I gave you ample examples

You got 4-5 something like 3 times in 12 years. You said MOST SEASONS there are 4-5 teams just as good.

You reached extremely far on a bunch of these and STILL couldn't reach that claim. I mean, you really think Cincinnati's team last year was just as good as the national champion? They got absolutely manhandled by Florida (who you also listed for some reason despite them losing to Alabama already).

I'm not sure if listing Hawaii or Cincinnati is more comical.

[yermom]

math is hard :D

[Crucifax Autumn]

So am I. These arguments always give me wood...Therefore I have wood 470 million times an off season!

[Collier11]

You got 4-5 something like 3 times in 12 years. You said MOST SEASONS there are 4-5 teams just as good.

You reached extremely far on a bunch of these and STILL couldn't reach that claim. I mean, you really think Cincinnati's team last year was just as good as the national champion? They got absolutely manhandled by Florida (who you also listed for some reason despite them losing to Alabama already).

I'm not sure if listing Hawaii or Cincinnati is more comical.

Ostriches enjoy sticking their heads in the sand, you, as proven over time are quite similiar. Again, you and Leroy must be brothers

[JLEW1818]

Lol

[Collier11]

Jlew, where ya been...and dont say working hard cus I know better :D

[Collier11]

You got 4-5 something like 3 times in 12 years. You said MOST SEASONS there are 4-5 teams just as good.
.

Actually in 10 of those years there were 4 or more teams that had a legit gripe, saying 4-5 additional teams was incorrect on my part but you are still leaving out several teams almost every year that have legit gripes

[Eielson]

saying 4-5 additional teams was incorrect on my part

Yes it was. That's what I called you out on. I guess this argument is over now.

[Collier11]

not really because you continue to ignore the original point which is that the BCS more often than not picks the two best teams. You cannot say that when there are 4-6 teams total each year who are qualified to play for the natl title

[Eielson]

You cannot say that when there are 4-6 teams total each year who are qualified to play for the natl title

Well, I guess that's true if you consider teams like Hawaii and Cincinnati (who got absolutely embarrassed in their BCS bowls) to be qualified to play for the national title. People with half a brain on the other hand...

[Collier11]

sofa king we todd ed

[starclassic tama]

anybody undefeated deserves a CHANCE at a title. of course, more times than not the boise states of the worlds will lose to the floridas or OU. but the year that they might win it makes it all worth it to have at least a 4 team playoff.

[Collier11]

I agree, especially since going undefeated in D1 is so hard. Having said that, there are alot of 1 loss teams each year who could still beat most teams in the nation, that is the main problem with the BCS. It assumes that that picking the top 2 automatcially means they are the best two

[MI Sooner]

there are alot of 1 loss teams each year who could still beat most teams in the nation

I don't think this is exactly the standard that should be applied when arguing about who should be national champion.

[Collier11]

The standard that should be applied is that all teams who deserve a shot get one and that is not the case, by far

[Scott D]

02-03

Iowa and Georgia were both 1 loss teams, while the championship was likely correct with Ohio state and Miami, being undefeated doesnt mean you are the best in the nation automatically


Miami was still the better team....and yes Froz that STILL wasn't Pass Interference.

[Collier11]

better team but you have to overcome those type of penalties and bad plays, it happens in every game.

[Scott D]

actually what lost that game was McGahee blowing out his knee early....and Larry Coker.

[Collier11]

well, that Clarett play was a game changer when he stripped Sean Taylor after the int

[Scott D]

well if you ask Frozen, he'll say that the Miami DB committed pass interference on Chris Gamble in the endzone, when in truth Gamble had a push off that Jordan Shipley wishes he could have done that created the phantom PI call 5 minutes after the play was dead.