Miss America 2010 tonight

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Miss OK is in the final 12. I took a look when they all introduced, and chose the Cheesehead, with the killer legs. She didn't even make it to top 15.

[GKeeper316]

or as i like to call it... the hot idiot parade.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

or as i like to call it... the hot idiot parade.Which is your pick for stupidest?

[GKeeper316]

Which is your pick for stupidest?

dude i gave up on beauty pageants when i was like 12... and discovered porn.

but that ms virginia thing from a couple years ago is the greatest pagent interview ever.

and id like to puch carrie prejean in the face. a lot. goddam stupid bitch *** media whore imo.

[SicEmBaylor]

and id like to puch carrie prejean in the face. a lot. goddam stupid bitch *** media whore imo.

Stay classy Mr. GKeeper.

[Collier11]

so she spoke her mind about something sensitive and you hate her for it?

[GKeeper316]

so she spoke her mind about something sensitive and you hate her for it?

nope everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

i hate that she used it to try to become america's family values spokesmodel. i love it that she got burned by her topless pics, alienating all the right wing nutbags that were lining up to have lil miss pretty blonde girl try to sell america a line of ****.

im allowed to speak my mind too. i fully accept that i will be hated for my opinions. and theres a lot of people that hate me.

[Collier11]

Hate is quite a strong word, I just think it is BS that she spoke her mind about a sensitive topic and got chastised for it

[GKeeper316]

i dont have a problem with her opinion. its what she tried to do with it that makes me strongly dislike her.

there see i can compromise.

[Collier11]

What she tried to do with it or what the networks tried to make of it?

[olevetonahill]

I dint pay tention to all that carp . But from what I heard she answered a question the way she truly felt, Then was chastised and ridiculed for her belief's.


So tell me , just WHAT did she try to do with it ?

[Collier11]

She was asked about gay marriage if my memory serves me and she answered honestly that she didnt approve and got attacked for it

[Collier11]

Here it is Vet

Prejean attracted nationwide attention with her response to a question about same-sex marriage during the 2009 Miss USA pageant. Prejean was asked by pageant judge Perez Hilton whether she believed every U.S. state should legalize same-sex marriage. She responded,


“ Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one way or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And, you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, no offense to anybody out there. But that’s how I was raised and I believe that it should be between a man and a woman. [10][11][12][1

[Collier11]

So apparently being honest and protecting the values that you grew up with gets you attacked by no name f*ck tards like perez hilton who has proven to be less than classless over time

[olevetonahill]

I pretty much knew what happened bro, I were askin gkeeper what SHE tried to do with it .
He seems to have such a hatred for her.;)

[Collier11]

Yea, im not sure about all that, GKeeper can explain maybe, I wasnt sure what she tried to do with it other than go on all the interviews she was requested and getting attacked unmercifully

[olevetonahill]

That was the point of my 1st post about it :D

He seems to think shes some turible person fer trying to stand her ground.:D :rolleyes:

[Collier11]

Yep, apparently you can only stand for what you believe in if it is popular these days???

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Maybe she took a **** in his cereal...I know that would **** me off

[GKeeper316]

she was lined up to be a spokesperson for a couple of traditional family values organizations and then her topless pics hit the internet and now none of em will touch her.

basically was trying to package herself as a marketable "brand" (to use the industry term) so that she could turn it into a career as a tv personality... like her own talk show, knowing full well that she hadnt the moral compass to speak in any way about family. shes right up there with that kate chick and the octomom... or that heidi skank that keeps getting upgraded.

rush limbaugh without the brain. ok maybe more like brittney spears... fun to look at but as soon as she opens her mouth you feel the urge to drown yourself.

[Collier11]

Ok so her having topless pics out there means she cant have values? Everyone makes bad decisions bro, part of life...you live and you learn

[GKeeper316]

no but if i was a chick trying to sell myself on a wholesome image, i wouldnt do so knowing full well that there was a huge potential scandal out there that would ruin me.

i just think shes an attention whore is all.

[olevetonahill]

So you hate her cause she showed her TITs? :confused:

I think theres something wrong with YOU :eek:

[olevetonahill]

Maybe she took a **** in his cereal...I know that would **** me off

She can pee in my cereal anytime. I wont eat it But ill dayum sure enjoy the show.:D :hot: :hot:

[GKeeper316]

She can pee in my cereal anytime. I wont eat it But ill dayum sure enjoy the show.:D :hot: :hot:
me too. like i said shes fun to look at.

but thats all she is imo.

[Crucifax Autumn]

My problem with her statement is she manages to say both. She says it's great to live in America where people can have same sex marriage and then goes on to say she doesn't want same sex marriage. Which is it?

And she has the grammar skills of a rat turd.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

If she had admitted she had taken some topless photos, she could have kept her celebrity, instead of being blindsided. Did she think they were totally unavailable?

[Crucifax Autumn]

I promised her I wouldn't share 'em after I took 'em, but I was lying just like I was when I told her I didn't crush up a rohypinal in her hot cocoa.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

My problem with her statement is she manages to say both. She says it's great to live in America where people can have same sex marriage and then goes on to say she doesn't want same sex marriage. Which is it?

And she has the grammar skills of a rat turd.Maybe you and the gatekeeper are of like mind, with him being somewhat angrier than you?

[Crucifax Autumn]

Honestly, I don't know if we are. I don't give a **** what she thinks as far as her personal morality and I think she should be able to say whatever she wants. But she won't have anyone listening other than people that already agree if she can't form a complet and coherent sentence.

If I was going to waste any energy on anger about the gay marriage issue I'd personally focus it on the Mormon church of Utah...They are the ones that infused untold millions trying to influence the vote in another state. I wouldn't care if the money had all been California Mormons since at least it's their state and I think they have a right to the opinion, but honestly all the California Mormons I know (much like the ones here in Nevada) seem to be a little more socially moderate than the Utah flavor, and actually either don't really care about the issue or fall more on the pro-gay marriage or civil union side.

I don't know what you meant to imply with your post, but on gay marriage I probably do fall more on the liberal side and think they should be allowed to "marry". I end up more moderate when I get to the nuts and bolts of it though and feel like it would be better for everyone if the issue would just get solved by having a full fledged civil union with all the exact same rights as married straight people. Obviously that's my middle of the road, don't ruffle feathers common sense approach. And other than the radical gay agenda people I think most of them would be cool with that too...I mean, just because their piece of paper says something different than mine or yours, the reality is they'd call it a wedding and they'd say they are married regardless.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The whole gay marriage thing is unneccessary. They can deal with each other however they want, with regards to propery rights, etc., already . It's purpose is to force acceptance of the lifestyle on the general populace. Marriage is a definition.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm not buying into that concept completely though it could be a factor for some. The big issues as far as equality from my point of view is when it comes to hospital visits and spousal benefits likeinsurance through an employer, as well as thinks like spousal death benefits from social security. If some poor dude has spent 30 years on his hands and knees pleasuring another dude, I say he's earned his benefits just as much as my wife is earning hers.

[GottaHavePride]

Ok so her having topless pics out there means she cant have values? Everyone makes bad decisions bro, part of life...you live and you learn

But it DOES mean that you can't try to present yourself as some sort of new outspoken icon of traditional family values to keep yourself in the spotlight, while at the same time trying to cover up the existence of your naked pictures and multiple sex videos. It's called being a gigantic hypocritical attention whore.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Bingo.

[Collier11]

But it DOES mean that you can't try to present yourself as some sort of new outspoken icon of traditional family values to keep yourself in the spotlight, while at the same time trying to cover up the existence of your naked pictures and multiple sex videos. It's called being a gigantic hypocritical attention whore.

It is my understanding that the whole uproar was caused during the show when wingnut Perez Hilton didnt like her answer about gay marriage, the rest came after

[Crucifax Autumn]

They are two entirely separate issues on the surface, but after the uproar when she flirted with helping the moral police and Christian right in their quest to decide what I should think of everything from porn to gay guys having sex she was obviously showing a double standard considering her own behavior. At least she wasn't paying lesbian hookers and so on, but it still reminded me of some of the crazy politicians and evangelists that scream at the top of their lungs about how gay people are going to hell then walk off stage with their mouth still hanging open from their rant and trip and fall on a dick.

[Collier11]

well I was speaking specifically of the pageant but I would agree with the way she tried to portray herself after

[Crucifax Autumn]

The pageant was a friggin' circus, but I doubt the producers would want it any other way. If that perez idiot wouldn't have thrown a fit the pageant would have had about 30 seconds of news coverage per network and then been forgotten.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

1)She didn't think gay marriage is a good idea. She said so, and was assessed the penalty for saying so, by the PC police.
2) She covered up her filmed sexual whatever, and pretended she didn't do that stuff, ignored it, thinking, for whatever reason, it wouldn't come to light. Now, her days as spokesperson are fini.
3)Miss Virginia won Miss America last night, FWIW.

[soonerloyal]

The whole gay marriage thing is unneccessary. They can deal with each other however they want, with regards to propery rights, etc., already . It's purpose is to force acceptance of the lifestyle on the general populace. Marriage is a definition.


No, marriage is a legal contract entered into by two consenting adults. That's why it must be witnessed, and performed by someone authorized to perform the union, and why the contract must be registered in the court system. The so-called spiritual side is entirely an emotional/philosophical/spiritual matter, and has no bearing upon the legality of a contract of marriage, or of the legal rights obtained under such.

And, no, gays cannot under the current system deal with each other however they want, in regards to property rights or anything else. Hence the necessity to fix the problem legally. Missouri just lost a heroic LEO whose life partner would have, if they had been duly married, been taken care of financially as any other widow/er. I simply cannot comprehend how it would injure me or anyone else to have that person cared for - just as my DIL would be cared for if, God forbid, my middle Marine son-turned-Cop were killed on duty.

If someone doesn't want to marry a gay, they don't have to. Allowing them to marry will in no way force others into anything. One's faith should be strong enough to bear up under diversity as well as adversity.

[Collier11]

Here is my issue, I am one of those that like the idea of a marriage being between a woman and a man, having said that, if two gay people want to be together forever and get all of the benefits of marriage, why not let them do that and call it something else.

That way those who are hardcore about marriage (which im really not despite my preferences) can still have their "marriage" and the gay couples can still be protected?

You hear that alot of conservatives are throwing a fit about the word marriage but in essence so are the gay people, seems like a fair deal to me?

[Crucifax Autumn]

That's exactly what I said a few posts back.

[Collier11]

you act as if I read every single post of yours, yea right :D

[soonerloyal]

It's emotional semantics messing up a legal issue.

[Collier11]

yep, but it is what it is

[Crucifax Autumn]

Collier, if it's all about the name, then why does the Christian right constantly oppse it when it's called marriage AND when it's called a civil union? I know for a fact that you personally wouldn't have an issue with another name, but you are arguing on the side of some really bigoted religious zealots that will never accept gay people being anything but banned from having equal rights. Pull back and think about it and then go back at the issue from a fresher perspective and I'm almost certain you will agree with me and Soonerloyal. You are too decent a person to fall into black and white reasoning.

[Collier11]

I cant speak for other people, im speaking for myself...I can say that the majority of Christians that I know feel the way I do

[soonerloyal]

I understand that, Collier. And the majority of fellow Christian friends that I have agree with me; it's a split field I guess. Both sides being taken into account, why should a disagreement in terminology - or emotionality - allow one group to block another from the same legal protection as the former enjoys?

[GKeeper316]

Maybe you and the gatekeeper are of like mind, with him being somewhat angrier than you?

GKeeper stands for goal keeper...

my father was a fighter pilot in cold war england for a good portion of my childhood. my choices on sports were soccer, rugby and cricket. my mother wouldnt let me play rugby, to this day i still cant wrap my brain around cricket... that left soccer. a game i had a particular talent for and had my family not moved to blanchard, ok (where the game of soccer is sorta considered a sinful act) its very likely i would have played professionally.

[Collier11]

I understand that, Collier. And the majority of fellow Christian friends that I have agree with me; it's a split field I guess. Both sides being taken into account, why should a disagreement in terminology - or emotionality - allow one group to block another from the same legal protection as the former enjoys?

It shouldnt and it is sad that it does

[Crucifax Autumn]

I cant speak for other people, im speaking for myself...I can say that the majority of Christians that I know feel the way I do

But now I'm confused. When speaking for yourself are you saying they shouldn't have all the same legal rights at all or are you just saying they shouldn't call it marriage?

[Crucifax Autumn]

Okay..I think you answered that while I was posting, but feel free to elaborate.

[Collier11]

But now I'm confused. When speaking for yourself are you saying they shouldn't have all the same legal rights at all or are you just saying they shouldn't call it marriage?

Im saying they should have all the same rights, all I said in reference to it being called marriage is that if it is that contentious then come to an agreement to call it something different but give the same rights of marriage.

It seems that the hang up for the majority is the name marriage, for the zealots they wont be happy regardless

[Crucifax Autumn]

True enough, and on both sides. The gay people that are nuts about it and compare it to "separate is inherently inequal" argument are stupid, and so are the Pat Robertsons of the world that think God will smite us if we let a lesbian insure her lifemate.

[Chuck Bao]

Collier, would you disagree with my right to live in the country and state of my birth with my foreign partner of 8 years? The US State Department refuses to recognize civil unions issued by any state.

Even if it would, the idea of same-sex civil unions being granted in the state Oklahoma is a pipe dream for now and one that I doubt that I will see in my life time.

I do realize that US embassies abroad do their dead level best to discourage Americans from marrying foreign nationals. They have to jump through so many hoops that it is ridiculous. A same sex couple would get that and much more. But, I am willing to try.

[Collier11]

Collier, would you disagree with my right to live in the country and state of my birth with my foreign partner of 8 years? The US State Department refuses to recognize civil unions issued by any state.

I would have zero issue if you two wanted to move back to the good ol' US of A

Even if it would, the idea of same-sex civil unions being granted in the state Oklahoma is a pipe dream for now and one that I doubt that I will see in my life time.

Oklahoma wont even allow high point beer to be sold, you are probably correct

I do realize that US embassies abroad do their dead level best to discourage Americans from marrying foreign nationals. They have to jump through so many hoops that it is ridiculous. A same sex couple would get that and much more. But, I am willing to try.

Id be glad to have ya back, the both of ya

[Crucifax Autumn]

I was wondering when you'd show up in this thread(jack).

How to you feel about the nomenclature argument that has been going on in the US as far as the, as Southpark put it, "instead of being married, you will be buttbuddies" versus "married"?

[Collier11]

LOLOLOLOL

[Chuck Bao]

I was wondering when you'd show up in this thread(jack).

How to you feel about the nomenclature argument that has been going on in the US as far as the, as Southpark put it, "instead of being married, you will be buttbuddies" versus "married"?

I am quite okay with buttbuddies, if the State Department will recognize it. I am not proud and the momenclature doesn't matter a flip to me. I will show up at the US embassy in Bangkok and the immigration check point in the SF airport and tell them that this is my buttbuddy. I wouldn't even care what my neighbors say behind my back when I introduce to them my buttbuddy. It is all pretty silly when you think about it.

[Crucifax Autumn]

That's kinda what I think too, obviously with a "real" name (just used that one since the SP episode is so funny in their illustration of how silly the argument really is) but like I mentioned before, some of the more extreme rights activists seem more interested in fighting a battle they cannot win due to some insane and unattainable principle than actually gaining equal rights. This is a case where separate really would be equal, though I'm one straight person that really doesn't care what they call it, marriage included. I'm just realistic enough to know that the Christian right, a huge portion of the black community, and most rednecks just won't ever go for it if it's called marriage. If it was me, I'd call it "gaymarried" and hope that it is a different enough word for the evangelicals and a close enough term for the more extreme activists.

[Collier11]

Honestly though, if it would please the masses and get it done, why not? Whether it be butt buddy or life partner or doo doo chaser or carpet muncher or lovers or whatev, just give them their rights and be done with it

[Crucifax Autumn]

The obvious answer, if you think it through, is that using a term that is fully derogatory, would, in itself, be a form of discrimination just like it would have been if, when it interracial marriage was made legal, they had called it "vanillacooned" or "oreoed".

[GKeeper316]

The obvious answer, if you think it through, is that using a term that is fully derogatory, would, in itself, be a form of discrimination just like it would have been if, when it interracial marriage was made legal, they had called it "vanillacooned" or "oreoed".

ya but we arent talking about interracial marriage. we're talking about same sex marriage. and gay jokes are funny.

[Scott D]

The answer continues to remain simple. Take the word Marriage out of any government sponsored paperwork for all genders. Put marriage back where it belongs which is the venue of religion, and as far as the city, county, state, federal government is concerned everyone has a civil union that is documented. They can then tax everyone the same on that basis, and it takes the entire cesspool of the marriage argument out of everyone's sails.

I'm amazed, and I'm not taking a shot at rushy clone, but he may very well have been one of the 17 people in the US that actually watched the Miss America pageant. The other 16 people were probably "What Not To Wear" fans who were disappointed by Stacy London not being there with Clinton whathisface.

[Crucifax Autumn]

LMAO...Good stuff Scott!

[XingTheRubicon]

vanillacooned?

so many levels of wrong

[Crucifax Autumn]

so many levels of wrong

Hey it's not like I advocate such a name...It's so many levels of wrong to make my point. Giving gay marriage a horribly derogatory name is NOT gonna win them over and make them feel they have achieved equality and dodged discrimination.

[olevetonahill]

The answer continues to remain simple. Take the word Marriage out of any government sponsored paperwork for all genders. Put marriage back where it belongs which is the venue of religion, and as far as the city, county, state, federal government is concerned everyone has a civil union that is documented. They can then tax everyone the same on that basis, and it takes the entire cesspool of the marriage argument out of everyone's sails.

I'm amazed, and I'm not taking a shot at rushy clone, but he may very well have been one of the 17 people in the US that actually watched the Miss America pageant. The other 16 people were probably "What Not To Wear" fans who were disappointed by Stacy London not being there with Clinton whathisface.

You make sense every now an then , Ya all right fer a Pimp.:D

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm amazed, and I'm not taking a shot at rushy clone, but he may very well have been one of the 17 people in the US that actually watched the Miss America pageant. The other 16 people were probably "What Not To Wear" fans who were disappointed by Stacy London not being there with Clinton whathisface.Daggone scottd, just shortly after I take you off of ignore, you go and take cheap shots, again, as always.

[SicEmBaylor]

The answer continues to remain simple. Take the word Marriage out of any government sponsored paperwork for all genders. Put marriage back where it belongs which is the venue of religion, and as far as the city, county, state, federal government is concerned everyone has a civil union that is documented. They can then tax everyone the same on that basis, and it takes the entire cesspool of the marriage argument out of everyone's sails.

I'm amazed, and I'm not taking a shot at rushy clone, but he may very well have been one of the 17 people in the US that actually watched the Miss America pageant. The other 16 people were probably "What Not To Wear" fans who were disappointed by Stacy London not being there with Clinton whathisface.

You're 100% correct about everything you just said.

[Scott D]

Daggone scottd, just shortly after I take you off of ignore, you go and take cheap shots, again, as always.

Not a shot at you, but a shot at how far the Miss America Pageant has fallen in such a short time. The fact that it's not carried on Network TV and has been relegated to "Oh By The Way" status on A&E, which is barely a step up from following the latest "I am a strong woman despite being raped by the good looking soap actor and I will get revenge" movie on Lifetime. Personally I think it's a shame that the Pageant has fallen so low these days. Hell, I live in the township where the 2008 Miss America was born, raised in, and still lives....as if the signs when you come into town don't remind you on a daily basis.

It appears the dumbing down of America with it's Survivors, American Idols, Big Brothers, Jerry Springers and Cable News channels has managed to do what two previous near total failures of the Pageant weren't able to do.

[soonerx]

You guys do realize Carrie Prejean was in the Miss USA pageant, not Miss America. Yes, there is a difference.

[soonerx]

I only know this because my sister was Miss Norman back in the 90's and was in the Miss Oklahoma pageant for 3 years, which is part of the Miss America pageant system.

Miss America is a scholarship pageant, where scoring leans more heavily on a personal interview (not televised), and talent. The remaining portions, swimsuit, evening gown, and onstage question take up a smaller % of the scoring.

Miss USA, on the other hand, is primarily a beauty pageant, with scores more heavily favoring swimsuit and evening gown. There is no personal interview or talent portion (the two that carry the most weight in Miss America), and the only remaining portion, onstage question, carries less weight than swimsuit and evening gown (although, it may have cost Carrie Prejean the crown).

[StoopTroup]

Under Scott's proposal....having a same sex room mate might label you as legally ghey right? I mean...no marriage with living together means you are in a legally binding living arraingement with a man if your really a man and/or with a woman if you are really a woman.

I think it might make things even worse possibly.

To think....you had a room mate back in the day....Obama changes marriage to Scott's definition and suddenly every Homophobe in America is at Defon 4 Crisis Stage.

[Tulsa_Fireman]

Government Official: I'm sorry Mr. Anuspuncher, but before I can grant this civil union, I'll need evidence of your cohabitation with Mr. Likesthewang in the form of a utility bill, financial statement, or videos of hot buttsecks.

I'm afraid we can't process your application without.

[OUMallen]

TTISWOP

[GKeeper316]

I only know this because my sister was Miss Norman back in the 90's and was in the Miss Oklahoma pageant for 3 years, which is part of the Miss America pageant system.



she single?

[homerSimpsonsBrain]

Government Official: I'm sorry Mr. Anuspuncher, but before I can grant this civil union, I'll need evidence of your cohabitation with Mr. Likesthewang in the form of a utility bill, financial statement, or videos of hot buttsecks.

I'm afraid we can't process your application without.

Post of the day (and still wrong on so many levels) :D

[Scott D]

Under Scott's proposal....having a same sex room mate might label you as legally ghey right? I mean...no marriage with living together means you are in a legally binding living arraingement with a man if your really a man and/or with a woman if you are really a woman.

I think it might make things even worse possibly.

To think....you had a room mate back in the day....Obama changes marriage to Scott's definition and suddenly every Homophobe in America is at Defon 4 Crisis Stage.

no under my proposal, that little document that you have registered currently with the state that says you are married would just say that you are in a 'civil union' as far as the government's concern with the matter should be. So the state would view your relationship with your wife on equal footing with Chuck's relationship with Nope, should they go to the Justice of the Peace and have their Civil Union performed there. The only real difference other than what the piece of paper is stating, is that the word Marriage is being left in a religious setting for the process of being joined in that venue.

So in essence, it's the same piece of paper that is your marriage license, it's just called a civil union license. Any other living arrangements are just those, arrangements. Your roommate would still be your roommate, because that is a completely different binding legal contract between two individuals whether they are of the same gender or not.

Really everyone gets what they want. Homosexuals get 'married', everyone else gets the comfy feeling that Homosexuals aren't 'married' because we're using different vernacular. Religious types get to believe that the sanctity of "Marriage" is preserved, and they get Government out of the business of Marriage altogether. Not to mention, the Government gets that additional revenue stream from taxing everyone in a legally binding committed relationship the same whether they are straight or gay.

And Sally Kern gets to confess that she has the hots for one of Fred Phelps' daughters, while Fred Phelps admits that he has a crush on Perez Hilton. Everyone wins.

[Collier11]

Winner!

[starclassic tama]

Here is my issue, I am one of those that like the idea of a marriage being between a woman and a man, having said that, if two gay people want to be together forever and get all of the benefits of marriage, why not let them do that and call it something else.

That way those who are hardcore about marriage (which im really not despite my preferences) can still have their "marriage" and the gay couples can still be protected?

You hear that alot of conservatives are throwing a fit about the word marriage but in essence so are the gay people, seems like a fair deal to me?

so they should be allowed to get married as long as they don't call it marriage? haha

[Chuck Bao]

no under my proposal, that little document that you have registered currently with the state that says you are married would just say that you are in a 'civil union' as far as the government's concern with the matter should be. So the state would view your relationship with your wife on equal footing with Chuck's relationship with Nope, should they go to the Justice of the Peace and have their Civil Union performed there. The only real difference other than what the piece of paper is stating, is that the word Marriage is being left in a religious setting for the process of being joined in that venue.

So in essence, it's the same piece of paper that is your marriage license, it's just called a civil union license. Any other living arrangements are just those, arrangements. Your roommate would still be your roommate, because that is a completely different binding legal contract between two individuals whether they are of the same gender or not.

Really everyone gets what they want. Homosexuals get 'married', everyone else gets the comfy feeling that Homosexuals aren't 'married' because we're using different vernacular. Religious types get to believe that the sanctity of "Marriage" is preserved, and they get Government out of the business of Marriage altogether. Not to mention, the Government gets that additional revenue stream from taxing everyone in a legally binding committed relationship the same whether they are straight or gay.

And Sally Kern gets to confess that she has the hots for one of Fred Phelps' daughters, while Fred Phelps admits that he has a crush on Perez Hilton. Everyone wins.

I 100% agree with this idea. However, I don't think the religious right will ever go along with it and I think there is 0% chance of civil unions for same-sex couples being passed by the Oklahoma legislature, or probably not in my life time. You know that their whole idea about the sanctity of marriage would come crashing down around their head when some churches started "marrying" gays. They can never allow that to happen.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

50% divorce rates tell me that Sanctity of marriage isn't all that important really...

[Scott D]

I never said it was an absolute, it's more of a security blanket for those whom consider faith to be the absolute mortar of their existence.

[PDXsooner]

Here it is Vet

Prejean attracted nationwide attention with her response to a question about same-sex marriage during the 2009 Miss USA pageant. Prejean was asked by pageant judge Perez Hilton whether she believed every U.S. state should legalize same-sex marriage. She responded,


“ Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one way or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And, you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, no offense to anybody out there. But that’s how I was raised and I believe that it should be between a man and a woman. [10][11][12][1

she would have been much better by saying that it should be up to the states and that she's a believer in state's rights or something to that effect. she wasn't asked for her opinion on it, but she got hooked in hook, line and sinker.

[Crucifax Autumn]

50% divorce rates tell me that Sanctity of marriage isn't all that important really...

If they closed the wedding chapels here in Vegas the rate would immediately drop to 40%. :D

[Collier11]

so they should be allowed to get married as long as they don't call it marriage? haha

Read the rest of the thread smart a**, that is the prevailing attitude in here, even with a good Sooner fan who happens to be Gay and is posting in this thread. Read ScottD's post if you are too empty to understand

[Crucifax Autumn]

The main strength of calling it something different is political expediency and avoiding all the dumbarse religious arguments and putting those people, the gay-haters, and the Phelps's of the world on the hot seat and forcing them to either accept it or show that they are truly bigoted jackholes full of hate.

But seriously Collier, do you really thing the starspastic anus is gonna read the thread and reply sensibly when he can instead just be a weasely little prick and smart off?

[Collier11]

thats what he does, too bad no one gives a sh*t about his opinion, thats why his sig is what it is

[Crucifax Autumn]

lmao...Prety funny it bacame his sig!

[Collier11]

pretty funny fella, seems to enjoy being bossed around

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The Miss America show had the highest ratings it's had in 4 yrs. Also, it rated higher than the last time it was on network tv. NBC I think.(FWIW)

[starclassic tama]

pretty funny fella, seems to enjoy being bossed around

yeah because i'm totally obeying your orders. so what should we call it? how about queer marriage?