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MamaMia
1/26/2010, 01:34 AM
Obama Versus Bush on Spending

WALL STREET JOURNAL
By:Karl Rove
January 21, 2010, 2:35 A.M. ET

Obama Versus Bush on Spending
Very little is safe for Democrats this fall.

'If Massachusetts puts Brown in, it's a message of 'that's enough.' Let's stop the giveaways and let's get jobs going."

Marlene Connolly is a 73-year-old Massachusetts Democrat who cast her first vote for a Republican in supporting Scott Brown. Her quote and story comes to us via the New York Times, but she stands out for this reason: She shows us that those who actually cast ballots in the Bay State did so because they are frustrated with the administration's unrestrained federal spending and failed economic recovery policies.

And here's what Washington needs to keep in mind as it debates the meaning of Massachusetts. Ramming health care through now won't insulate Democrats from voter ire in November. It will feed a fire over spending that is already blistering them.

But don't take my word for it. Consider that the administration is now busy scrambling to find a way to dodge responsibility for its own reckless fiscal record. That much was on display recently when David Axelrod, a political strategist for the president, penned an opinion piece in the Washington Post that took aim directly at me.

Mr. Axelrod wrote that no one is entitled to his own facts, even as he argued that George W. Bush is responsible for Barack Obama's deficits. He argued that Mr. Bush forced the hand of this administration by leaving office in the midst of a sharp recession.

That argument won't fly for two reasons. First, at some point this administration has to take responsibility for itself. It's also not even close to accurate. Consider that from Jan. 20, 2001, to Jan. 20, 2009, the debt held by the public grew $3 trillion under Mr. Bush—to $6.3 trillion from $3.3 trillion at a time when the national economy grew as well.

By comparison, from the day Mr. Obama took office last year to the end of the current fiscal year, according to the Office of Management and Budget, the debt held by the public will grow by $3.3 trillion. In 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.

Mr. Obama's spending plan approved by Congress last February calls for doubling the national debt in five years and nearly tripling it in 10.

Mr. Bush's deficits ran an average of 3.2% of GDP, slightly above the post World War II average of 2.7%. Mr. Obama's plan calls for deficits that will average 4.2% over the next decade.

Team Obama has been on history's biggest spending spree, which has included a $787 billion stimulus, a $30 billion expansion of a child health-care program, and a $410 billion federal spending bill that increased non-defense discretionary spending 10% for the last half of fiscal year 2009. Mr. Obama also hiked non defense discretionary spending another 12% for fiscal year 2010.

Before Karl became known as "The Architect" of President Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns, he was president of Karl Rove + Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm that worked for Republican candidates, nonpartisan causes, and nonprofit groups. His clients included over 75 Republican U.S. Senate, Congressional and gubernatorial candidates in 24 states, as well as the Moderate Party of Sweden.

Mr. Bush did move to give voters more control over their tax dollars. Both his Social Security reform ideas and the drug program he created offered templates for driving federal spending curves in the right direction, counter to what Democrats wanted to do.

Democrats, for example, proposed creating a prescription drug program as an alternative to the one Mr. Bush proposed that would have cost a projected $800 billion over 10 years. The Bush drug benefit was originally expected to cost half that amount and today costs a third less than what it was initially expected to cost because it uses market forces to drive prices down.

Mr. Axelrod claims the pork-laden stimulus package has been a success. But Mr. Obama told Americans that if it were passed, unemployment wouldn't rise above 8%. It is now 10%. The president also said it would create 3.7 million jobs, 90% of which would be in the private sector. By Mr. Obama's standards, the stimulus failed miserably.

Mr. Bush did sign the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) into law and loaned $240 billion to banks. But those loans are being returned at a profit to the Treasury. Rather than using those funds to pay down the deficit, Mr. Obama wants to use them for new spending. What's more, he has lavished some $320 billion from TARP on car companies, union allies, and pet causes that will never be fully returned.

Mr. Axelrod boasts Mr. Obama's proposed health reforms will "not add to the federal deficit." But if that turns out to be true, it will only be because Massachusetts voters just elected a senator who promises to vote against those reforms.

In going after Mr. Bush's fiscal record, Mr. Axelrod unwittingly revealed why Democrats are losing. Mr. Obama and congressional Democrats have made a mess of the nation's finances and are desperate to pin the blame on someone else. It's not likely to work.

Even in deep blue Massachusetts, voters aren't standing idly by while the administration puts the nation on a dangerous trajectory. When Democrats lose a state they carried by 26 points a little more than a year ago, very little is safe for Mr. Obama's party this fall.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015072822042394.html#p rintMode

OULenexaman
1/26/2010, 12:13 PM
Have you seen any useful benefits from federal stimulus money?
CNN Poll..
No 74% 21178...Yes 14% 4010....Too soon to tell 12% 3485...Total votes: 28673

the stimulus failed miserably.....

Mjcpr
1/26/2010, 12:22 PM
Have you seen any useful benefits from federal stimulus money?
CNN Poll..
No 74% 21178...Yes 14% 4010....Too soon to tell 12% 3485...Total votes: 28673

the stimulus failed miserably.....

Bush's or Obama's?

OULenexaman
1/26/2010, 12:42 PM
BHO.....Team numbnuts....

ndpruitt03
1/26/2010, 12:45 PM
Bush's or Obama's?

Both

yermom
1/26/2010, 12:46 PM
Karl Rove, who gave us Bush II, thinks he did a better job than Obama

hmm

Tulsa_Fireman
1/26/2010, 12:52 PM
Could it be that they both stepped on their nuts?

Shock! Horror!

ndpruitt03
1/26/2010, 12:53 PM
The article above does show that Bush wasn't near as bad as everyone thinks. He was still bad, but everything that Obama has done has been much worse for the country than what Bush did.

yermom
1/26/2010, 01:02 PM
Bush's band-aids on bullet holes held things together until he was almost out of office

i don't think the average person cares about deficits. unemployment, which is still a problem, is what changes votes. taxes haven't even increased yet, as far as i know.

homerSimpsonsBrain
1/26/2010, 01:03 PM
Wasn't it one of Roves boys (Cheney) who said deficits don't matter? Funny to hear all the "outrage" about them now.

Hypocrite: the man who murdered both his parents... pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan. ~Abraham Lincoln

ndpruitt03
1/26/2010, 01:07 PM
Bush's band-aids on bullet holes held things together until he was almost out of office

i don't think the average person cares about deficits. unemployment, which is still a problem, is what changes votes. taxes haven't even increased yet, as far as i know.

Well Healthcare and Cap and Trade haven't passed and probably won't pass.

LosAngelesSooner
1/26/2010, 01:24 PM
This is like a balding guy complaining that the Rogaine and Propecia he takes "probably didn't do a thing" because after he started taking it, his hair quit falling out. Would it have stopped falling out if he hadn't taken it? Who knows? But he DID take it and it DID stop falling out.

Just because he still looks like crap and is slightly bald...doesn't mean the drug didn't work.

We don't know what would have happened if the stimulus hadn't gone out. Maybe we would have leveled out where we did, maybe not. But we'll never know.

And anything written about Karl Rove or Cheney about how Bush was "better than Obama" is a crap fest of monkey poo...and you all know it. :rolleyes:

ndpruitt03
1/26/2010, 01:47 PM
And anything written about Karl Rove or Cheney about how Bush was "better than Obama" is a crap fest of monkey poo...and you all know it. :rolleyes:

Back to back we may have the worst 2 presidencies every going on right now. Bush was very bad, Obama is very bad.

Bourbon St Sooner
1/26/2010, 01:50 PM
Unfortunately for this administration, the Blame Bush rhetoric appears to no longer hold any sway with the voters, as shown by what happened in Massachusetts. I think it's time for a new game plan.

Tulsa_Fireman
1/26/2010, 01:53 PM
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85Sooner
1/26/2010, 10:17 PM
This is like a balding guy complaining that the Rogaine and Propecia he takes "probably didn't do a thing" because after he started taking it, his hair quit falling out. Would it have stopped falling out if he hadn't taken it? Who knows? But he DID take it and it DID stop falling out.

Just because he still looks like crap and is slightly bald...doesn't mean the drug didn't work.

We don't know what would have happened if the stimulus hadn't gone out. Maybe we would have leveled out where we did, maybe not. But we'll never know.

And anything written about Karl Rove or Cheney about how Bush was "better than Obama" is a crap fest of monkey poo...and you all know it. :rolleyes:

Go get your daily dose from the vending machines. I hear they are going to be scaled way back. Any Shaken going on there yet?

jkjsooner
1/26/2010, 10:59 PM
I said over two years ago that anyone would be crazy to run for President at that time. It was clear our economy was about to fall off a cliff.

As I've stated quite often the blame goes equally to both parties. They had different reasons and agendas but both fed the real estate bubble as long as they could.

I'm just glad that Bush didn't escape the collapse as his hands off regulatory policy is much to blame.

Anyway, back to the stimulus... Guys, just about every major bank was on the brink of collapse and there was risk even to strong banks as the dominoes began to fall. I don't care how much they deserved to fail. We were heading off a cliff and that is why even very conservative economists were giving dire warning back in October of '98.

I don't like how the stimulus plans went down any more than anyone else. We should have allowed the banks to go bankrupt (invalidating any type of bonus plans) while at the same time guaranteeing some of their obligations.

If you guys think the unemployment rate would be lower had we allowed cascading bank failures then I'll say you are wrong.

LosAngelesSooner
1/26/2010, 11:30 PM
Go get your daily dose from the vending machines. I hear they are going to be scaled way back. Any Shaken going on there yet?I have NO idea what you're talking about, crazy person.

JLEW1818
1/26/2010, 11:38 PM
LAS is back!! yahoo!!!

LosAngelesSooner
1/26/2010, 11:46 PM
^^^ You luv me.

Crucifax Autumn
1/26/2010, 11:47 PM
O v B? No wonder we're screwed, they were having a contest.

StoopTroup
1/26/2010, 11:50 PM
Comparing them to each other over spending is about as relevent as who is better at hoops.