How has Spurrier become such a mediocre coach?

[Collier11]

Its not like he doesnt have talent, the guy has recruited a top 25 class each yr at SC. He is now 35-28 at south carolina, I dont get it...I realize SC isnt a powerhouse but the guy is a good coach.

I keep thinking he will have a breakout yr and it hasnt happened yet, now im not so sure it will.

[n8v_ndn]

I started wondering the same thing awhile back. I assumed he'd get some great QB talent and grow it from there, but I've never been impressed by any of them while he's been at SC.

[Leroy Lizard]

Maybe he hasn't found any assistants that can get the team over the hump. Not sure what the problem is.

[ouflak]

I wonder how focused he is. When he was at Florida, there were times when he seemed like he was about to blow a vein out through his forehead when something didn't go the way he thought it should have; even when his team was up by 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter. I've never seen him that animated or emotional on the SC sideline. Maybe he's mellowed out to the point of relative (for him) mediocrity.

[Crucifax Autumn]

He has top 25 recruiting classes, but what do the teams beating him regularly have? That would be interesting to see.

[Okla-homey]

I think South Carolina must have offended the gods at some point and is under some kind of curse.

It has been, for decades, the place championship-level coaches go and end up producing mediocrity. Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz are just the two most recent ones.

Maybe its all that bad karma still floating around from the time SC started the Civil War or something.:O

[StoopTroup]

I think it's because of all the talk about c o c k s.

[reevie]

I think he's mellowed and doesn't have the desire he used to have. Maybe something happened to him while he was with the Redskins and he lost his mojo.

[IronHorseSooner]

Recruiting and location has a lot to do with it. Having lived in Columbia, SC, I can say that their fanbase does love their football, but they aren't as passionate about it as fans of some of their neighbors- particularly UGA and Clemson. With UNC now getting better in football, it will only hurt them more, as they will steal a good number of recruits from Cocky. One thing's for darn sure, somebody from that side of the conference needs to step up and humble FLA, I don't care who it is.

[S.PadreIsl.Sooner]

3 Reasons:

1. talent
2. talent
3. talent

He's not getting what he used to at Phlorida.

[ndpruitt03]

He's going up against teams getting top 10 talent.

[Sooner70]

Yeah, but on paper talent ain't all of it. Remember in the early 2000's when Mack was getting all the 5 star recruits (Crissy Sims, et al) and OU wasn't to the same degree and OU beat them 5 years in a row. The big knock on Mack was that he was a great recruiter of superb talent, but couldn't maximize the results on the field--largely underachieving teams for the Longhorns in those days. Here in Texas, they were yowling for Mack's head on a platter.

Also, the knock on Texas later became they recruited unsavory characters as indicated by the rash of arrests a few years back.

Seems Mack has cleaned all that up. He's learned from Stoops not put up with any off field chicanery from recruits/players no matter how good they are. Note this week's departure of receiver Dan Buckner after off field problems & entanglement with the law.

Also, he's surrounded himself with a pretty good coaching staff. Mack probably needs that, as I'm really not sure he's all that adept a football technician. He is still a good recruiter, media man, and cheeleader, though. Texas is paying a lot for those skills, but hey, it is what it is & results speak.

[StoopTroup]

Texas is paying a lot for those skills, but hey, it is what it is & results speak.

And....coming in #* isn't bad either.

[delhalew]

You would think by now, Spurrier would have accidentally got a good QB. He is Spurrier. Even if he is just coasting, he should get better results than he is.

[Flagstaffsooner]

Seems Mack has cleaned all that up. He's learned from Stoops not put up with any off field chicanery from recruits/players no matter how good they are. Note this week's departure of receiver Dan Buckner after off field problems & entanglement with the law.

Horse ****! If Buckner had been an all star he wouldnt have tossed him.

[stoopified]

I don't think Spurrie has become a mediocre coach so much as he is simply running a second rate football program.I think it would be a lot like what would happen if Stoops went to Iowa State.Without tradition,facilities,resources winning is hard.Especially difficult competing against Clrmson,Georgia,N.C.,N.C. State,,Wake Forest in their area and conference.I would point out that Holtz in spite of sucess at Arkansas and ND did not set the world on fire at the OTHER USC either.

[stoopified]

I checked the records for comparison sake.Holtz was 33-37 and Spurrier is currently 35-28.I honestly thought Holtz did better than that,I think it DOES help prove how tough it is to win at South Carolina.

Just for perspictive I looked up the overall record of the Gamecock program,they are 535-535-44.a dead even .500 program.Their wiiningest coach had a career record of 64-69-7.

[westcoast_sooner]

I don't think Spurrie has become a mediocre coach so much as he is simply running a second rate football program.I think it would be a lot like what would happen if Stoops went to Iowa State.Without tradition,facilities,resources winning is hard.Especially difficult competing against Clemson,Georgia,N.C.,N.C. State,Wake Forest in their area and conference.I would point out that Holtz in spite of sucess at Arkansas and ND did not set the world on fire at the OTHER USC either.

^^^^ THIS. Plus, he's not able to get the Florida recruits to come to Carolina as easily as he could when he was head coach at UF.

[JLEW1818]

You would think by now, Spurrier would have accidentally got a good QB. He is Spurrier. Even if he is just coasting, he should get better results than he is.

yep, his QB's are garbage

[Blues1]

jmho ~~
#1. ~ South Carolina does NOT have a Real History of Football Tradition
Yes Talent level has been OK, But

Has South Carolina ever been a Number 1 Team ...?
How many Top ten Finish's...?
Any undefeated Seasons...?
Any Win streaks that really matter..?
Name a Heisman Winner from SC...?
Name a Top QB from South Carloina....?
What was South Carolina's Biggest Upset...?
Etc Etc....
Be VERY Happy you are a SOONER Fan ~~~~ :)

[Leroy Lizard]

I think I can a Heisman winner. But I don't want to spoil it.

[StoopTroup]

I think I can a Heisman winner. But I don't want to spoil it.

huh?

[starrca23]

In college it is all about the joes and not the x's and o's...

See: Vince Young v. usc

[Blues1]

In college it is all about the joes and not the x's and o's...

See: Vince Young v. usc

Yep ~~ See this..... :)
Link
http://soonersports.com/bobstoops/pages/Tradition/all_americans.html

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Horse ****! If Buckner had been an all star he wouldnt have tossed him.I believe this too. Sergio Kindle pulled a VERY stinky act, ramming that apt bldg, and he's still very much in the program.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

jmho ~~
#1. ~ South Carolina does NOT have a Real History of Football Tradition
Yes Talent level has been OK, But

Has South Carolina ever been a Number 1 Team ...?
How many Top ten Finish's...?
Any undefeated Seasons...?
Any Win streaks that really matter..?
Name a Heisman Winner from SC...?
Name a Top QB from South Carloina....?
What was South Carolina's Biggest Upset...?
Etc Etc....
Be VERY Happy you are a SOONER Fan ~~~~ :)Plus, in-state rival Clemson has a decent tradition, and always gets their share of home-grown talent.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Yeah, but on paper talent ain't all of it. Remember in the early 2000's when Mack was getting all the 5 star recruits (Crissy Sims, et al) and OU wasn't to the same degree and OU beat them 5 years in a row. The big knock on Mack was that he was a great recruiter of superb talent, but couldn't maximize the results on the field--largely underachieving teams for the Longhorns in those days. Here in Texas, they were yowling for Mack's head on a platter.

Instead, the cows figured out how to maximize the officiating, and things have been rosy for them since.

[Collier11]

I checked the records for comparison sake.Holtz was 33-37 and Spurrier is currently 35-28.I honestly thought Holtz did better than that,I think it DOES help prove how tough it is to win at South Carolina.

Just for perspictive I looked up the overall record of the Gamecock program,they are 535-535-44.a dead even .500 program.Their wiiningest coach had a career record of 64-69-7.

I fairness, when Holtz took over wasnt that program complete crap?

[rawlingsHOH]

His offensive sytem was groundbreaking in the early 90s. Now it's a dinosaur.

I've noticed he is starting to use the shotgun though.

[ndpruitt03]

jmho ~~
#1. ~ South Carolina does NOT have a Real History of Football Tradition
Yes Talent level has been OK, But

Has South Carolina ever been a Number 1 Team ...?
How many Top ten Finish's...?
Any undefeated Seasons...?
Any Win streaks that really matter..?
Name a Heisman Winner from SC...?
Name a Top QB from South Carloina....?
What was South Carolina's Biggest Upset...?
Etc Etc....
Be VERY Happy you are a SOONER Fan ~~~~ :)

You can probably say the same about Florida when Spurrier took over. The only history Florida had in football that was really worth much of anything was a year or two with Gaylan Hall when they had some running back named Emmitt Smith and when they had some player named Steve Spurrier in the 60s. They really didn't do much before or after those years till Spurrier took over as coach and made them into a top program.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You can probably say the same about Florida when Spurrier took over. The only history Florida had in football that was really worth much of anything was a year or two with Gaylan Hall when they had some running back named Emmitt Smith and when they had some player named Steve Spurrier in the 60s. They really didn't do much before or after those years till Spurrier took over as coach and made them into a top program.Bobby Bowden and FSU owned the state of FL after Spurrier played at FU, until the U sprang up in '83; then FSU came back for a while in the '90's, and into 2001. Spurrier also built up FU in the 90's, and the U remained a top program, too. The '90's was THE BEST EVAR for college football in the Sunshine State.

[rawlingsHOH]

Bobby Bowden and FSU owned the state of FL after Spurrier played at FU, until the U sprang up in '83; then FSU came back for a while in the '90's, and into 2001. Spurrier also built up FU in the 90's, and the U remained a top program, too. The '90's was THE BEST EVAR for college football in the Sunshine State.

14 straight top 5 finishes ('87-'00). Amazing!

[jkm, the stolen pifwafwi]

think about how hard it is to find a QB in college football. it isn't like ours have been what you would call consensus supa stars. one of our heismans we almost lost to tennessee to play safety, the other, i'm not sure we offer if we'd actually needed a QB that year. heupel? yeah what a recruiting battle that one was.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm developing a deep dislike for Tennessee, for the way they get top HS kids out of OK, when there really aren't that many top talent guys in OK each yr.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

14 straight top 5 finishes ('87-'00). Amazing!I didn't realize they had done THAT well. I halfway tuned out college football during the '90's.

[SunnySooner]

I was in Columbia last summer, and I wondered the same thing--why do they suck so bad? The town is beautiful, all the old buildings, the state capitol, gorgeous campus, really nice big stadium, cool "campus corner" type area...seems they should be able to do better than they have, esp. with Spurrier. We'll see how Garcia does next year, he looked good at times this year. Didn't we recruit him at some point? I hope they wreak havoc, I'm really sick of FU.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I was in Columbia last summer, and I wondered the same thing--why do they suck so bad? The town is beautiful, all the old buildings, the state capitol, gorgeous campus, really nice big stadium, cool "campus corner" type area...seems they should be able to do better than they have, esp. with Spurrier. We'll see how Garcia does next year, he looked good at times this year. Didn't we recruit him at some point? I hope they wreak havoc, I'm really sick of FU.Start getting used to the "second coming" of Bear Bryant, at Alabama, too. It's a monster you will grow to dislike as much as FU.

[stoopified]

Am I the only one who remembers George Rogers won the Heisman playing at South Carolina?

[Leroy Lizard]

No, I mentioned earlier that South Carolina had a Heisman winner (but I always thought Herschel Walker was more deserving that year).

[ndpruitt03]

The Big 12 equivalent of South Carolina is probably Texas A&M. South Carolina may be slightly better. But A&M always gets top 25 classes and never really does much.

[Sabanball]

First, I think you have to look at where he's at and what he has to work with. SC simply does not produce that much in-state talent, and what little it does has to be fought for with most of the schools in the surrounding states. Georgia is no longer the only school that raids the state for talent(Ex. 2010 5star recruit John Fulton, of Manning SC, is coming to play for us next season). Add onto that how difficult it is to get an out-of-state kid to come to a dump like Columbia, and that's part of your answer. And for those of you saying Columbia is a great and wonderful place--Umm...I must have missed a bunch of stops on my last tour there. There ARE some places in the state that ARE beautiful, but Columbia most definitely is NOT one of them.

In addition to that, though, I think the game has somewhat passed the Ole Ball Coach by. The Spread-O and the running version/hybrid of it that Florida, for instance, and many schools are now running are not the same as the 'fun-n-gun' offense that just requires a disciplined pocket passer and fast wr's, which was what he won with at UF back in the '90s and has tried to go with since he's been with the Gamecocks. Like any offensive scheme, SEC defenses finally caught onto it by putting a premium on DL/Pass rush specialists and blitz packages and thus it's just no longer an effective offense like it once was.

I said it a couple of weeks ago and I 'll say it again--after his team's humiliating defeat at the hands of Connecticut in the Pizza Bowl, I really think it's now time for Steve to hang it up. The more he continues to take a beating in the SEC East next year and beyond, the more I think his legacy continues to be tarnished.

[Okla-homey]

Add onto that how difficult it is to get an out-of-state kid to come to a dump like Columbia, and that's part of your answer. And for those of you saying Columbia is a great and wonderful place--Umm...I must have missed a bunch of stops on my last tour there. There ARE some places in the state that ARE beautiful, but Columbia most definitely is NOT one of them.



Dude,
I'd rather live in Gonzales Gardens in Columbia, SC than the craphole that is Tuscaloosa, Alabama. And to think, the world thought apartheid ended with the fall of the white South African government. You people are quite happy to cheer those black kids on Saturday, but you sure as heck don't want your kids going to school with their little cousins on Monday morning.
Me? Lived in Montgomery for four years and know the score.

[Leroy Lizard]

SoonerFans just turned into National Public Radio.

[Sooner04]

Name a Heisman Winner from SC...?

George Rogers - 1980

[Okla-homey]

SoonerFans just turned into National Public Radio.

The Truth is the Truth, NPR or not.

[Leroy Lizard]

The Truth is the Truth, NPR or not.

You need to get on the phone with Jesse Jackson.

[StoopTroup]

You need to get on the phone with Jesse Jackson.

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-university-praying-jesse-jackson.jpg

Even Leroid Lord...unless you shorted him from the start.

[Leroy Lizard]

Not even. Think "grapefruits."

Okla-homey needs to hang out with the dude in the following vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsdkCIY1uQc

NFSW!

[GKeeper316]

Yep ~~ See this..... :)
Link
http://soonersports.com/bobstoops/pages/Tradition/all_americans.html

anyone else think its hilarious the darrell royal's picture is the gayest ballerina pose in that whole list of awesome?

[SoonerGamecockFan]

As a longtime lurker/reader and not much of a poster I feel that this is one topic where I can provide some insight. Quick background info: I'm a lifelong Sooner fan. Born in Norman and lived there until I received my BA from OU in 2006. Norman will always be my home (the folks still live there so I come home often). I moved to Columbia, SC in 2006 to attend the university and have since received my MS and am currently working on a PhD.

I've sat through four seasons here and listened to enough Columbia sports radio to make my head explode (especially every time they mention Texas as a top tier program in the Big 12 with no mention of OU).

The short answer? This place is and will forever be mired in mediocrity. As mentioned earlier this place is a textbook .500 program. Any coach of historical significance finished their career around .500. The banners in the stadium (which is nice) perhaps paint the picture. There are 3; one touting the lone ACC championship, one for George Rodgers' Heisman and one for when a coach won the coach of the year award. That is all. No list of Bowl wins, all-americans, conference titles, national titles, etc. Why? There isn't really anything to list.

The fans here are great. They support the team win or lose. They pack the stadium that holds 80,000 every week. The fans support the team just as well as OU fans support the Sooners. So that is not the problem. The facilities are nice and have been improved every year that I have been here. Fan support/Facilities is certainly not the issue.

The Gamecocks traditionally lose to the in-state rival Clemson Tigers and I think that has an impact on recruiting. Especially when it comes to in-state recruits. It also never helps to play in the SEC against teams that have top 10 talent and some of the best coaches in the country.

Spurrier seems to be somewhat stubborn and most likely past his prime. He is always attempting to install the run and gun (or ****'n'fire) offense here. But we never seem to have the QB to do it. They always seem to run a very limited playbook that doesn't have many of the 'traditional' Spurrier plays. They are all 'safe' plays to minimize turnovers, which still seem to happen all the time.

Honestly the only reason the cocks have been decent has been the defense. Spurrier doesn't do a damn thing with them and its all on the DC. Luckily the DC does a good job and puts a defense on the field that generally keeps the cocks in the game.

I do think coaching turnover has been an issue. Every time he gets a decent position coach they leave after a season to go be a head coach or OC/DC somewhere else. Spurrier has managed to keep some of the top tier in-state recruits to come to SC lately though. Last year the big pick up was Alshon Jeffery who was all but on the way to Southern Cal and decommitted to SC at the 11th hour and stayed home. He's been great but there is never a team that has top talent at every position. There is always something lacking.

Columbia is a good town with plenty to do and is fairly nice. It's nothing special but its not a **** hole either. If I was forced to stay in SC I would move to Charleston though. I don't think the town is keeping the recruits from coming either.

Honestly I don't think that things would be any different with a new coach. At least Spurrier has brought in some respectable recruits and by SC standards some decent seasons (criteria: make it to a bowl game).

As the locals say.... We'll be better next year, just wait!

At that point I just turn on the OU game to watch a real football team play!

Random side note: Here's a pic of me with AD at a Gamecocks game 2 years ago. He came to the game with Sidney Rice (who played for SC and was drafted the same year as AD) and while all the SC kids were jumping to take a pic with Sidney, I went up to AD and told him I was an OU alum and asked for a picture. Very nice guy and built like a tank.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v129/222/66/9612083/n9612083_35058615_4496.jpg

[GKeeper316]

Add onto that how difficult it is to get an out-of-state kid to come to a dump like Columbia, and that's part of your answer. And for those of you saying Columbia is a great and wonderful place--Umm...I must have missed a bunch of stops on my last tour there. There ARE some places in the state that ARE beautiful, but Columbia most definitely is NOT one of them.



i watched an episode of gangland on the history channel about what went down in columbia in 06... ya that place is miserable. theres no way id want to live in that ****hole.

[SoonerGamecockFan]

i watched an episode of gangland on the history channel about what went down in columbia in 06... ya that place is miserable. theres no way id want to live in that ****hole.

I know that there are some bad areas, but its not THAT terrible. Any city of a decent size is going to have the bad parts of town. I will admit, If I just visited Columbia I'd probably not be making plans to move here. But once you're here and you get to know the place it is nice. You just stay away from the bad areas (much like any other city) and you're fine.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I know that there are some bad areas, but its not THAT terrible. Any city of a decent size is going to have the bad parts of town. I will admit, If I just visited Columbia I'd probably not be making plans to move here. But once you're here and you get to know the place it is nice. You just stay away from the bad areas (much like any other city) and you're fine.I had a girlfriend I visited Columbia many yrs ago. It struck me as a middle-of-the-road type place, as you say. From Columbia, we went to Charleston on one trip, and it is indeed a pretty nice place. Much like the French Quarter in NOLA, at least a part of the city of Charleston.

In Charleston, we took a guided boat tour out to Fort Sumter, and the guide, at one point stated: "over there is where the Ashley and the Cooper rivers meet to form the Atlantic Ocean". Yeah, I laughed my as* off.

.

[Sabanball]

Dude,
I'd rather live in Gonzales Gardens in Columbia, SC than the craphole that is Tuscaloosa, Alabama. And to think, the world thought apartheid ended with the fall of the white South African government. You people are quite happy to cheer those black kids on Saturday, but you sure as heck don't want your kids going to school with their little cousins on Monday morning.Me? Lived in Montgomery for four years and know the score.




Moderators--are there any on this board?

What a racist comment. I don't know what you experienced while in our capital city, but you are painting with a broad brush, and I think your comments are totally uncalled for. Good thing smack is allowed pretty liberally on this forum, you wouldn't get away with that comment on most college football discussion boards that I go on.


You need to wake up--it's 2010--not 1960. Segregation ended probably before you were even born, my friend. FYI, seeing how uniformed you are, I have two children that attend schools in the Montgomery, AL, school system right now and the last time I checked they have...WOW--can you believe this?!!! ding ding ding.... classmates that are of African descent.:rolleyes:...and,...and (I know you won't believe this) blacks and whites even date one another.

What you are trying to do is play the race card by promoting a out and out lie--you should be ashamed of yourself. There is no 'apartheid' in our state and you know it. Shame on you, and I hope you're man enough to admit regret for making that comment.

[Leroy Lizard]

First, that dog ain't gonna hunt here..

Man, I hate that old saying.

[Collier11]

Moderators--are there any on this board?

What a racist comment. I don't know what you experienced while in our capital city, but you are painting with a broad brush, and I think your comments are totally uncalled for. Good thing smack is allowed pretty liberally on this forum, you wouldn't get away with that comment on most college football discussion boards that I go on.


You need to wake up--it's 2010--not 1960. Segregation ended probably before you were even born, my friend. FYI, seeing how uniformed you are, I have two children that attend schools in the Montgomery, AL, school system right now and the last time I checked they have...WOW--can you believe this?!!! ding ding ding.... classmates that are of African descent.:rolleyes:...and,...and (I know you won't believe this) blacks and whites even date one another.

What you are trying to do is play the race card by promoting a out and out lie--you should be ashamed of yourself. There is no 'apartheid' in our state and you know it. Shame on you, and I hope you're man enough to admit regret for making that comment.

I obviously dont know homeys intent but just based off of reading this I think he is merely saying that there is alot of hipocracy in the south regarding racism. This is my example of what I think he meant,

Remember that famous Boise team that beat us (barf) well they had a black running back Ian Johnson who became famous with the ol statue of liberty play and then by proposing on Natl TV. Well if you remember, the GF was white. The Boise fans had no issues cheering for him when he was winning the game for Boise st but shortly after that game he said that he got tons of death threats and threatening calls/letters because he was marrying a white girl in Idaho.

Obviously he did paint the situation with a very wide brush but IMO thats what he was referring to. I could be wrong but I thought id add my 2 cents

[Crucifax Autumn]

A black dude marrying a white chick in Idaho is ALMOST as bad as a gay dude going to a bar in Wyoming.

[Collier11]

Thats what im saying, those prejudices are still very much there, they are just more hidden

[Leroy Lizard]

Let's talk football. How about them Saints?

[Collier11]

wrong thread

[Leroy Lizard]

Okay, how about them Gamecocks? (Anything but racism.)

[Okla-homey]

Moderators--are there any on this board?

What a racist comment. I don't know what you experienced while in our capital city, but you are painting with a broad brush, and I think your comments are totally uncalled for. Good thing smack is allowed pretty liberally on this forum, you wouldn't get away with that comment on most college football discussion boards that I go on.


You need to wake up--it's 2010--not 1960. Segregation ended probably before you were even born, my friend. FYI, seeing how uniformed you are, I have two children that attend schools in the Montgomery, AL, school system right now and the last time I checked they have...WOW--can you believe this?!!! ding ding ding.... classmates that are of African descent.:rolleyes:...and,...and (I know you won't believe this) blacks and whites even date one another.

What you are trying to do is play the race card by promoting a out and out lie--you should be ashamed of yourself. There is no 'apartheid' in our state and you know it. Shame on you, and I hope you're man enough to admit regret for making that comment.

Look, I realize aparthied is not the law in Alabama. But it's certainly the way things are. The facts:

Montgomery segregation* academies (all of which are 95% white):
exhibit 1: Montgomery Academy
http://www.montgomeryacademy.org/
exhibit 2: St James School
http://www.stjweb.org/
exhibit 3: Montgomery Catholic
http://www.knights.pvt.k12.al.us/

*segregation acadamies, a/k/a "seg acadamies" were all established around the time Alabama public schools were compelled to desegregate c. 1955-1960.

Montgomery public high schools (all of which are approx. 90% non-white) :
exhibit 4: Jeff Davis High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/jeffdavis/
exhibit 5: RE Lee High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/lee/
exhibit 6: Lanier High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/lanier/index.aspx

Finally, what is the percentage of black kids attending the University of Alabama? And of that number, what percentage are not there on athletic scholarships?

[Leroy Lizard]

Mods: Please kill this thread.

[KYHonorarySooner]

I wonder how focused he is. When he was at Florida, there were times when he seemed like he was about to blow a vein out through his forehead when something didn't go the way he thought it should have; even when his team was up by 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter. I've never seen him that animated or emotional on the SC sideline. Maybe he's mellowed out to the point of relative (for him) mediocrity.

That.

He does have top 25 recruiting classes on a year in year out basis. However, he is playing Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, every year and then there is Alabama, LSU, Auburn rotating on their schedule every few years. All of these are consistently 25 or better in recruiting. That said, I really think is more the focus issue.

[Collier11]

Mods: Please kill this thread.

only if you go first

[Sabanball]

Look, I realize aparthied is not the law in Alabama. But it's certainly the way things are. The facts:

Montgomery segregation* academies (all of which are 95% white):
exhibit 1: Montgomery Academy
http://www.montgomeryacademy.org/
exhibit 2: St James School
http://www.stjweb.org/
exhibit 3: Montgomery Catholic
http://www.knights.pvt.k12.al.us/

*segregation acadamies, a/k/a "seg acadamies" were all established around the time Alabama public schools were compelled to desegregate c. 1955-1960.

Montgomery public high schools (all of which are approx. 90% non-white) :
exhibit 4: Jeff Davis High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/jeffdavis/
exhibit 5: RE Lee High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/lee/
exhibit 6: Lanier High
http://schools.mps.k12.al.us/schools/lanier/index.aspx

Finally, what is the percentage of black kids attending the University of Alabama? And of that number, what percentage are not there on athletic scholarships?

More racist propaganda. Quote all the statistics that you want, but the fact is that there are MANY minorities that attend our university and your assertion that we basically slave -trade athletes is WAY OFF base. Do african americans dominate our roster? Of course. Do they dominate YOUR team's roster? YES. Does that make OU and Oklahoma an apartheid state? That's how ridiculous your whole assertion is.

Do ALL of our public schools strike a perfect 50/50 balance with whites vs. blacks? Of course not. How many whites attend Booker T Washington HS in Tulsa, or some of your other inner- city schools for that matter? Again, your comments show just how out of touch with reality that you are.

[Leroy Lizard]

Sorry, Collier. I tried. There is only one thing left to try.

This thread reminds me of Adolf Hitler. You see, Adolf Hitler didn't like Blacks. He (Adolf Hitler) thought that Germans were the master race. But Adolf Hitler was opposed by the British and the Russians (who were not like Adolf Hitler).

[Okla-homey]

Do ALL of our public schools strike a perfect 50/50 balance with whites vs. blacks? Of course not.

Look man, I realize it's not your fault, but the fact is, the population within the city limits of Montgomery, AL is approximately 60% non-white. Montgomery public high schools are over 90% non-white. That's de facto school segregation. Period.

[homerSimpsonsBrain]

More racist propaganda. Quote all the statistics that you want, but the fact is that there are MANY minorities that attend our university and your assertion that we basically slave -trade athletes is WAY OFF base. Do african americans dominate our roster? Of course. Do they dominate YOUR team's roster? YES. Does that make OU and Oklahoma an apartheid state? That's how ridiculous your whole assertion is.

Do ALL of our public schools strike a perfect 50/50 balance with whites vs. blacks? Of course not. How many whites attend Booker T Washington HS in Tulsa, or some of your other inner- city schools for that matter? Again, your comments show just how out of touch with reality that you are.

Just an FYI on Booker T (From the Booker T website)....

Student Information
American Indian 7.6%
Asian 2.9%
African American 39.1%

Hispanic 7.3%
Caucasian 43.1%

[goingoneight]

Maybe he doesn't have Bob Stoops, a Brent Venables or a Kevin Wilson, etc.?
Great assistants spell success just as much as competition and talent.

[Leroy Lizard]

Dear people who like lawyer jokes: next time you're in a jam, call a comedian.

Q: What do you call 25 skydiving lawyers?

A: Skeet.