can someone explain in layman terms, how I will be helped by the health bill?

[adoniijahsooner]

I work a job and I have no insurance, because I am just under full-time. How will it help the average joe, like myself? Seriously, I need to know. Really too much confusion for me to understand what is going on.

[Howzit]

No one knows for sure because no one has read it. Not even the Senate. Ok, well, the Senate clerk could probably tell you, but I don't think he/she posts here.

[adoniijahsooner]

No one knows for sure because no one has read it. Not even the Senate. Ok, well, the Senate clerk could probably tell you, but I don't think he/she posts here.

Wow! You have got to be kidding me, right? say sike or gotcha, or something along those lines.

[jaux]

You just hit the jackpot...unless you have aspirations of getting a higher paying job

[Ardmore_Sooner]

The question is, how will it affect those of us that do have insurance with our place of business?

[C&CDean]

Nobody will benefit from the health bill - except those folks hell-bent on turning this country into a socialist utopia. However, it still won't help anybody. It will only get us a step closer to a communist society.

[soonersis]

What I don't understand, is why add on to a house that is falling down without doing a little foundation work first? Get rid of the corruption from the scooter companies and the hospitals that charge Medicare $150 for a bed pan that was never used and then charge Medicare again for the same bed pan on the next patient? And what about the doctors that true are in it for the patient's sake? Why do they have to fork over half of their yearly income ( before overhead) for malpractice insurance just so they can not worry about having to take out a splinter. Then teach the medicaid recipients that the ER is for emergencies only it's not your primary care.

Ugh! I can finally afford to have all of my employees covered by a good insurance plan thanks to Insure Oklahoma. My mother is now my employee and instead of paying $2800.00/month for a private plan for her and my father, she now only pays $65/paycheck and I get reimbursed almost 85% of my cost. Why can't the federal government do something like this instead of penalizing the small business owner and their employees?

[soonerscuba]

There is an entity called conference committee, there exists currently two health care bills (Senate and House), in conference committee these two will be reconciled, I would advise you save your doomsday hyperbole until it is signed into law. Or, as an alternative you can call a piece of legislation drafted and voted on by a democratic representative body elected by the free and fair vote of their people which gives billions of dollars to private enterprise "communist", either works.

[JohnnyMack]

There is an entity called conference committee, there exists currently two health care bills (Senate and House), in conference committee these two will be reconciled, I would advise you save your doomsday hyperbole until it is signed into law. Or, as an alternative you can call a piece of legislation drafted and voted on by a democratic representative body elected by the free and fair vote of their people which gives billions of dollars to private enterprise "communist", either works.

That's cool. Both bills still suck.

[soonerscuba]

That's cool. Both bills still suck.I agree, but there is some good stuff in there (pre-existing condition, max out of pocket), and on some level it means we are stepping closer to a universal coverage, so I will accept it as an auroral piece of policy that often precedes something better. As for the historical politics side of it, the Republicans are either going to come out as sages, or looking really bad, like 1850s Democrat bad.

As a pure piece of policy, I think everyone agrees it succs

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Two suck bills = 1 "Triumph for the American People"

[A Sooner in Texas]

say sike or gotcha, or something along those lines.

It's "psych."
Love, the spelling Nazi.


;)

I figured this thread could use a little actual knowledge, as opposed to supposition.

[adoniijahsooner]

It's "psych."
Love, the spelling Nazi.


;)

I figured this thread could use a little actual knowledge, as opposed to supposition.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sike

[AlbqSooner]

1. sike 2938 up, 1608 down
November 24, 2007 Urban Word of the Day
buy sike mugs, tshirts and magnetsThe immediately preceding statement is false and was told to mislead.
I really miss that show Blossom ... SIKE!
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2. sike 1058 up, 396 down
buy sike mugs, tshirts and magnetsA misspelling of psych.
Knowing Sonia was thirsty, Jonathan teased her with his soda. "Here, you can have a sip...psych!"

From your link, number 2 makes you look like - well, Number 2.:D

[yermom]

i'm going with Syke!

http://www.myspace.com/syke80s

[yermom]

and to answer the OP, i think it means you'll have to find some private coverage or pay a fine and all your medical bills out of pocket ;)

and unless the language i've read has changed, lots of businesses should be paying fines and dropping employee coverage. i know i would...

[1890MilesToNorman]

Nothing to see here, watch yer football, go to the movies and get yer daily dose on the nightly news. We have it covered so no worries.

[Veritas]

and to answer the OP, i think it means you'll have to find some private coverage or pay a fine and all your medical bills out of pocket ;)

and unless the language i've read has changed, lots of businesses should be paying fines and dropping employee coverage. i know i would...
Or in a business like mine, rather than hiring people as full-time employees, I'll continue to engage contractors.

"****tarded" is far too kind a word for this legislation. Of course, I tend to believe your brains must be at least 51% **** to thing UHC is a good idea, so...

[Flagstaffsooner]

http://inconvenientbody.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/big-brother-poster.jpg

[Petro-Sooner]

But but...... we need health care. What about health care??? How will people live? UGH :rolleyes:

[BermudaSooner]

Well, if you live in Nebraska you won't have to worry about your state paying for Medicade increases, and the 49 other states have agreed to do that to get Ben Nelson's (D: Neb) vote. So, there is one good think for Nebraskans.

In Harry Reid's own words:
"There are 100 senators here, and I don't know that there's a senator that doesn't have something in this bill that isn't important to them," Reid told reporters. "If they don't have something in it important to them, then it doesn't speak well of them."

The majority leader compared the legislation to a defense bill, typically thick with earmarks, many benefiting specific companies. "That's what legislation's all about," said Reid, a former senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. "It's the art of the compromise."

This, my fellow soonerfans, is how the US Congress works. Makes you kinda throw-up in the back of your mouth, huh.

[adoniijahsooner]

Well, if you live in Nebraska you won't have to worry about your state paying for Medicade increases, and the 49 other states have agreed to do that to get Ben Nelson's (D: Neb) vote. So, there is one good think for Nebraskans.

In Harry Reid's own words:
"There are 100 senators here, and I don't know that there's a senator that doesn't have something in this bill that isn't important to them," Reid told reporters. "If they don't have something in it important to them, then it doesn't speak well of them."

The majority leader compared the legislation to a defense bill, typically thick with earmarks, many benefiting specific companies. "That's what legislation's all about," said Reid, a former senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. "It's the art of the compromise."

This, my fellow soonerfans, is how the US Congress works. Makes you kinda throw-up in the back of your mouth, huh.

So the bill is designed to benefit each state? A congressman cries and moans about the bill until he gets his way or something he thinks he needs specifically for his state or district, and once he gets it, he finally decides to compromise? I was wondering why so many senators say things like, "I was instrumental in writing so and so legislation".

I really don't know about politics, but if I set down with family, and we deicded to make a decision on what doctor we would use, and my daughters and son all wanted different doctors, and my ole lady wanted to go somewhere else, and I wanted to see this female doc in waco, because she likes the way i cough; In my mind that would destroy the whole purpose of coming together in the 1st place. Why can't they just decide on a bill that benefits all sick people, instead of trying to get an "earmark" for their respective state?

[BermudaSooner]

Why can't they just decide on a bill that benefits all sick people, instead of trying to get an "earmark" for their respective state?

That is politics...basically it looks like most voters are against this nonsense. So, if you are a senator from a state that doesn't really want this, you have to get something for your state to take back to your voters so you can say, "look what I did for the people of the great state of ____."

So, for example, to end the filibuster in the Senate 60 votes are required. To get Ben Nelson's vote, the rest of us have all agreed to pay all of Nebraska's medicaid increases. Unbelievable, huh. These are called earmarks, and why Presidents have asked for the line item veto for years--to be able to laser out this nonsense from bills, rather than all or nothing. The problem is this gives the President significant extra powers.

[adoniijahsooner]

Heck, this year with Obama in office has nudged me into finding out a little bit more about politics. I'm finding the more I read the less I am for the government having it's hand in every single thing. It's not a a dem or rep view, it's just how I feel about things, because I personally know that government help saps a little of your energy and want to, when it comes to improving yourself. Even with good intentions , it is difficult to want a better life, because you have someone who is willing to keep the mental training wheels on your life.

[John Kochtoston]

That is politics...basically it looks like most voters are against this nonsense. So, if you are a senator from a state that doesn't really want this, you have to get something for your state to take back to your voters so you can say, "look what I did for the people of the great state of ____."

So, for example, to end the filibuster in the Senate 60 votes are required. To get Ben Nelson's vote, the rest of us have all agreed to pay all of Nebraska's medicaid increases. Unbelievable, huh. These are called earmarks, and why Presidents have asked for the line item veto for years--to be able to laser out this nonsense from bills, rather than all or nothing. The problem is this gives the President significant extra powers.

The problem with the line-item veto is that it's unconstitutional. The Republicans gave it to Clinton in the mid-90s, and the Supremes said no way.

[Scott D]

Damn Flag, couldn't you have found a smaller image?

[85Sooner]

You will be forced to buy insurance or pay a fine.

[swardboy]

^ And this is why I suspect the bill still leaves 24,000,000 people uninsured...Big Brother is salivating at the prospect of people like adonijahsooner paying a $9,000 tax "penalty" for not having health insurance.

Jim Dement is spear-heading a process to declare this bill unconstitutional for this very reason.

[adoniijahsooner]

^ And this is why I suspect the bill still leaves 24,000,000 people uninsured...Big Brother is salivating at the prospect of people like adonijahsooner paying a $9,000 tax "penalty" for not having health insurance.

Jim Dement is spear-heading a process to declare this bill unconstitutional for this very reason.

WOW!

[JohnnyMack]

You will be forced to buy insurance or pay a fine.

This is the inherent flaw with things that come out of Washington today.

Why it isn't a situation where you are encouraged to buy insurance and offered a tax CREDIT for doing so?

[soonerhubs]

This is the inherent flaw with things that come out of Washington today.

Why it isn't a situation where you are encouraged to buy insurance and offered a tax CREDIT for doing so?

Home run, Touch Down, Three pointer, Goal! You hit this right on the head! This gives folks the Liberty to choose.

[badger]

OK, so like most of Senate, I too have not read the bill. However, my understanding is that it rolls back Medicaid and instead forces everyone to have health insurance. It will subsidize those that cannot afford it by charging more to those that can, and most notably, will not take coverage away from people with pre-existing conditions.

There's also some disagreements about abortion rights and stuff like that... I really don't understand it as much as I should... oh! And it costs $1 trillion during the next 10 years :eek:

[yermom]

This is the inherent flaw with things that come out of Washington today.

Why it isn't a situation where you are encouraged to buy insurance and offered a tax CREDIT for doing so?

because they just won't and will go to the ER and we'll pay for it anyway

[JohnnyMack]

because they just won't and will go to the ER and we'll pay for it anyway

Personal responsibility. It's what's for dinner.

[yermom]

good luck with all that :D

i think the last decade has shown how personally responsible Americans are

[SoonerBorn68]

2,000 pages of new laws, increased government power, pork, & lawyerese can't be good for anything.

[Veritas]

good luck with all that :D

i think the last decade has shown how personally responsible Americans are
Yeah, **** it, let's go socialist based on the last decade. :rolleyes:

[yermom]

because that's EXACTLY what i said

[Scott D]

Yeah, **** it, let's go socialist based on the last decade. :rolleyes:

I'd argue that governmentally we've been socialist for quite awhile, the populace is just too apathetic to really do something about it.

[SouthFortySooner]

There are 22 Federally Qualified Health Clinics in the state. It cost an individual without insurance $10.00 for an office call. What more do they want?

[Bourbon St Sooner]

good luck with all that :D

i think the last decade has shown how personally responsible Americans are

Yeah and we need the gov't to fix all that because they always do. Who set up Fannie and Freddie to decouple the lending and holding of loans, encouraging reckless lending?

[swardboy]

There are 22 Federally Qualified Health Clinics in the state. It cost an individual without insurance $10.00 for an office call. What more do they want?


^^ Absolutely! In Joplin we have a great free clinic...local docs/dentists donate their time and expertise....nobody is going without medical aid if they want it.

[adoniijahsooner]

^^ Absolutely! In Joplin we have a great free clinic...local docs/dentists donate their time and expertise....nobody is going without medical aid if they want it.

When I think of free clinics, I think of herpes, clap, and other VD's. People may want to stay away from those places if they have a tummy ache.

[SouthFortySooner]

When I think of free clinics, I think of herpes, clap, and other VD's. People may want to stay away from those places if they have a tummy ache.

An FQHC is not a free clinic. And believe me when I tell you the guvmint is funneling a ton of money into them. My point is this isn't about healthcare, its about creating another big ole pie to divvy out.