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Soonerus
12/10/2009, 12:39 AM
...racially based...It is getting extreme...

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
12/10/2009, 01:47 AM
If it was algore, or hillry, or any other authoritarian socialist ramming the same power plays that the Bamster is doing, they would catch as much OR MORE criticism than he does. (Don't you think a lot of people actually hold back their criticism because he's black?) But, to think there wouldn't be some people making racist comments would be very naive.

Chuck Bao
12/10/2009, 02:27 AM
I do. But, if you leave off the silly stuff and have some valid criticism then I would accept it. Dude, just try to make it real.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 09:00 AM
...racially based...It is getting extreme...

Why? Do you know some brothers who don't like his white half?

You've been drinking again, haven't you Rus?

SicEmBaylor
12/10/2009, 09:04 AM
I dislike Obama and Bush pretty equally, so I think I'm in a unique position to comment here...

I'm with Dean, are you out of your mind? By any reasonable measure, the hatred for Bush was much worse. Was it because he was a white guy?

There are sure to be some yahoos out there who hate the guy because he's black, but the idea that the public criticism you hear is anything but legitimate is just bull****.

olevetonahill
12/10/2009, 09:10 AM
I dont give a **** what color he is
I dont like the wormy lookin MoFo

But thats just me :P

soonerscuba
12/10/2009, 09:17 AM
Depends. The people with policy disagreements are almost certainly not, the birther, terrorist, whitey tape wackos certainly are.

SoonerBorn68
12/10/2009, 09:27 AM
Depends. The people with policy disagreements are almost certainly not, the birther, terrorist, whitey tape wackos certainly are.

...and this is why you can't disagree with his policies because you get labeled as such.

soonerscuba
12/10/2009, 09:43 AM
...and this is why you can't disagree with his policies because you get labeled as such.Certainly not. If there was a movement of people that felt Bush was actually a reptilian alient sent from L. Ron Hubbard to subvert the use of green energy because he bought oil futures I would like to think that I have the capability to disagree with the war in Iraq while grasping the fact that Bush isn't an alien. BTW, did Bush ever prove he wasn't an alien, I haven't seen the long form birth certificate, so I think it's a "fair" question.

SoonerJack
12/10/2009, 09:45 AM
it's the policies, rus.

Condescending Sooner
12/10/2009, 09:59 AM
...racially based...It is getting extreme...

Chuck???

SicEmBaylor
12/10/2009, 10:00 AM
Certainly not. If there was a movement of people that felt Bush was actually a reptilian alient sent from L. Ron Hubbard to subvert the use of green energy because he bought oil futures I would like to think that I have the capability to disagree with the war in Iraq while grasping the fact that Bush isn't an alien. BTW, did Bush ever prove he wasn't an alien, I haven't seen the long form birth certificate, so I think it's a "fair" question.

Do you honestly think Bush is representative of a species with intelligence so greater than our own that they can travel the universe? Bush?

King Barry's Back
12/10/2009, 10:02 AM
Rus, honestly, people get pretty intense about Oklahoma football. Have you see these posters go off on some reporter who says OU might not win the national championship in 201X?

And politics affects way more people than OU football does, and it's generally involving issues closer to home and often more emotional and personal than OU football.

And you think people aren't going to take that fight (politics) personally?

Let's face it, the great thing about our democracy is not that political adversaries "get along," it's that those adversaries actually refrain from killing each other over political disputes.

Bush II got it AT LEAST as bad as Obama, and Clinton probably got it worse. Bush I, though not well remembered today, was treated like a clumsy clod hopper, and Ronald Reagan was put through the ringer daily.

I can only barely remember anybody talking about Jimmy Carter, but of that, I can't remember anything at all good being said about him.

It's just the nature of the game.

You know the saying, you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Obama knows what he's doing. He's from Chicago. They play hard ball up there. This is nothing he didn't expect, and it's nothing he wasn't ready for, and its nothing he isn't ready to reply in kind when it serves his interests.

Dems start to whine like TX. Sheesh.

1890MilesToNorman
12/10/2009, 10:08 AM
Dissing stupid ideas in not racist.

Now calling him half-black or half-white might be half racist? it's hard to tell theses days.

yermom
12/10/2009, 10:48 AM
i hear his supporters talk about his race more than his detractors

49r
12/10/2009, 10:56 AM
It's probably the preponderance of "social media networks" that are giving more and more stupid people a voice that can be heard that is the reason for such vile rhetoric becoming more commonplace these days rather than whoever it is in a leadership position.

I mean, you've always heard the crazy racist (or any other "ism" for that matter) ******* in your town ranting about this and that and kind of just wrote it off as quaint. But these days with the internet it's not just your one local crazy person ranting on about **** that doesn't matter that you are exposed to. It's thousands, and that's probably what tends to make it seem that all this political BS is getting worse. In reality, it's probably not getting all that much different on a macro level.

That's my opinion on the subject anyway...

adoniijahsooner
12/10/2009, 11:06 AM
It's probably the preponderance of "social media networks" that are giving more and more stupid people a voice that can be heard that is the reason for such vile rhetoric becoming more commonplace these days rather than whoever it is in a leadership position.

I mean, you've always heard the crazy racist (or any other "ism" for that matter) ******* in your town ranting about this and that and kind of just wrote it off as quaint. But these days with the internet it's not just your one local crazy person ranting on about **** that doesn't matter that you are exposed to. It's thousands, and that's probably what tends to make it seem that all this political BS is getting worse. In reality, it's probably not getting all that much different on a macro level.

That's my opinion on the subject anyway...

Ironic that Obama's use of social media is what probably won him the election. To be honest, I am very disappointed in his presidency so far, but unlike some on this board, I hope he succeeds and at least make a dent in unemployment.

As far as racism is concerned, I used to notice racial undertones in some of the threads in the south oval.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 11:12 AM
Obama is an average president....at best.

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 11:13 AM
ahh, the race card, and Teleprompter Jesus is now the victim.

I guess if his supporters can't admit what a disasterous FAIL he's been so far, they will just blame it all on RAACISM!!!?!!?!!!.

In the end, its not the black, its the red.

Seriously, what do you expect people to say about a President that's only achievement thus far include double digit unemployment, tripling the national debt, debasing the currency, weakening our standing in the world by apologizing and bowing and is trying so desperately to destroy the private sector?

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 11:18 AM
Obama is an average president....at best.Biggest political bust in American hstory is more like it.

Its gotten so bad, nearly half the country would rather have Bush back.

SicEmBaylor
12/10/2009, 11:42 AM
Biggest political bust in American hstory is more like it.

Its gotten so bad, nearly half the country would rather have Bush back.

Really? In all of history? You're weighing 220 years worth of Presidents against his less than 1 year in office and making a conclusive judgement?

I don't say this to too many people, but I think you should just stop. Stop.

Seriously. Find a new hobby.

soonerscuba
12/10/2009, 11:48 AM
Really? In all of history? You're weighing 220 years worth of Presidents against his less than 1 year in office and making a conclusive judgement?

I don't say this to too many people, but I think you should just stop. Stop.

Seriously. Find a new hobby.Did you expect anything else?

SicEmBaylor
12/10/2009, 11:52 AM
Did you expect anything else?

Amazingly enough, I continue to be astounded.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
12/10/2009, 12:01 PM
Ah, the board's libs simply ADORE IT when Sicem goes off on the board's conservatives. You GO GIRLS! haha.

SicEmBaylor
12/10/2009, 12:09 PM
Ah, the board's libs simply ADORE IT when Sicem goes off on the board's conservatives. You GO GIRLS! haha.

The bolded part is very questionable.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
12/10/2009, 12:14 PM
The bolded part is very questionable.from an orange aggy legacy, choosing to live in Waco, and who hates aggy more than the whorns, judgment issues arise.

MrJimBeam
12/10/2009, 12:24 PM
...racially based...It is getting extreme...

...officially jumped the shark. Harry Reid campared me to pro-slavery segregationist on the floor of the Senate the other day. Silliness.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
12/10/2009, 12:27 PM
...officially jumped the shark. Harry Reid campared me to pro-slavery segregationist on the floor of the Senate the other day. Silliness.?

picasso
12/10/2009, 01:10 PM
...racially based...It is getting extreme...

Same goes for Bush. Damned whitey.

SCOUT
12/10/2009, 01:13 PM
Same goes for Bush. Damned whitey.

Right on.
http://radiofacts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/kanye-west3-1.jpg

starclassic tama
12/10/2009, 01:53 PM
as most the right wingers on this board like to say, THIS IS AMERIKA IF YOO DONT LIKE IT YOO CAN GIT OUT!

heed your own advice. the dude is our president. deal with it, show some respect.

Condescending Sooner
12/10/2009, 02:20 PM
as most the right wingers on this board like to say, THIS IS AMERIKA IF YOO DONT LIKE IT YOO CAN GIT OUT!

heed your own advice. the dude is our president. deal with it, show some respect.

Like you and your ilk did Bush?

SoonerBorn68
12/10/2009, 02:25 PM
http://sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se188.jpg

SoonerBorn68
12/10/2009, 02:27 PM
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1890MilesToNorman
12/10/2009, 02:48 PM
http://sorryeverybody.com/upload_files/se188.jpg

What amendments to the Constitution? or am I missing the point here? :confused:

NormanPride
12/10/2009, 02:50 PM
Try not to think about it. It helps.

1890MilesToNorman
12/10/2009, 03:01 PM
Good advise NP, I'll let the kids play and just shut the door. :D

Boarder
12/10/2009, 03:13 PM
Biggest political bust in American hstory is more like it.

Its gotten so bad, nearly half the country would rather have Bush back.
If nearly half want Bush back, that means that over half do not. Obama FTW!

I think that for most of this year, the attacks were racially based. There were no real policies out there to criticize. Everyone had to throw the muslim/socialist/*****ist/whatever thing out there. There was no other reason to spew such hatred other than his race.

But now, I think that (some) people actually have policy disagreements that they can use as justification. It is true that there are still the same "socialist" spewing goons who can't form an actual argument, but it does seem to be turning to more of an actual policy disagreement, now. There would be nothing wrong with people not agreeing with policy at all. That's the debate that's fruitful.

Trying to find a socialist muslim's birth certificate...not so much.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 03:17 PM
Dude, "socialism" ain't a race. Just an fyi.

Boarder
12/10/2009, 03:26 PM
muslim/socialist/*****ist/whatever thing = anti-Obama rhetoric
anti-Obama rhetoric was racially based.

Using the "socialist" tag is how you could get away with hating and not say the word most people were wanting to say.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 03:47 PM
muslim/socialist/*****ist/whatever thing = anti-Obama rhetoric
anti-Obama rhetoric was racially based.

Using the "socialist" tag is how you could get away with hating and not say the word most people were wanting to say.

Maybe in your redneck of the woods, but not mine. The whole socialist tendencies thing (which he most certainly does display) ain't got a damned thing to do with his sweet caramel coloring. It's got to do with his agenda. Which he presented during his campaign.

There's several black dudes I'd vote for prez. JC Watts. Maybe Colin Powell. The one dude - Jerry somebody - who is a retired general and made a late dabble in the dealio. My problem wasn't/and still isn't his blackness.

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 04:07 PM
I think that for most of this year, the attacks were racially based. There were no real policies out there to criticize.

He had plenty of policies to criticize, they were called campaign promises.

And most of the attacks against him then were based on him either not being qualified to be President (which he has shown to be spot on, dudes way over his head) and being a socialist left-wing radical who spent 20 years Rev. Wright's racist church, befriending the domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, and being a community organizer with close ties to ACORN.

starclassic tama
12/10/2009, 04:09 PM
Like you and your ilk did Bush?

i'm not a liberal dude. i liked bush. my dad made a ****load of money while he was in office.

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 04:16 PM
Really? In all of history? You're weighing 220 years worth of Presidents against his less than 1 year in office and making a conclusive judgement?

I don't say this to too many people, but I think you should just stop. Stop.

Seriously. Find a new hobby.Can you name another President that has had their approval rating crash this far in such a short amount of time???

Don't worry, gallup can't either..

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 04:17 PM
i'm not a liberal dude. i liked bush. my dad made a ****load of money while he was in office.

I bet your nose just grew a ****ing foot there Pinocchio.

Collier11
12/10/2009, 04:35 PM
So because he is black, the dislike for him has to be racist...does that mean all of the country is now white? Were all of the black people who didnt like Bush racist? This is idiotic Rus

starclassic tama
12/10/2009, 04:36 PM
what issues am i so liberal on mr. dean? i'm not a christian? i support science like evolution? those aren't political issues buddy. my dad is in the oil business, and he was ballin' out of control under bush.

Collier11
12/10/2009, 04:39 PM
muslim/socialist/*****ist/whatever thing = anti-Obama rhetoric
anti-Obama rhetoric was racially based.

Using the "socialist" tag is how you could get away with hating and not say the word most people were wanting to say.

Horribly wrong and ignorant

SoonerBorn68
12/10/2009, 04:45 PM
muslim/socialist/*****ist/whatever thing = anti-Obama rhetoric
anti-Obama rhetoric was racially based.

Using the "socialist" tag is how you could get away with hating and not say the word most people were wanting to say.

You're kidding, right?

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 04:47 PM
The sad fact is, MANY more people support/voted for this disaster because of his race than dislike him because he is half black.

OklahomaTuba
12/10/2009, 04:50 PM
my dad is in the oil business, and he was ballin' out of control under bush.Most business did very well under Bush, especially the oil and gas companies, because prices & demand was so high.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 05:07 PM
what issues am i so liberal on mr. dean? i'm not a christian? i support science like evolution? those aren't political issues buddy. my dad is in the oil business, and he was ballin' out of control under bush.

Alls I know is that if it quacks like a duck...

You can't help but think that a guy whose views on some issues mirror the average leftwingnut's isn't anything but a leftwingnut. I mean LAS has tried to convince us for years what a conservative he is - while he's spewing the mantra of the fringe lefties like a geyser.

Anyhow, if you're not a lib, my apologies.

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 05:09 PM
I'm with Dean, are you out of your mind? By any reasonable measure, the hatred for Bush was much worse. Was it because he was a white guy?



There is one objective measure by which you're wrong. Mr. Bush never got the number of death threats and death "wishes" and death "prayers" that Mr. Obama is getting.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 05:12 PM
There is one objective measure by which you're wrong. Mr. Bush never got the number of death threats and death "wishes" and death "prayers" that Mr. Obama is getting.

Really? You know this how? How many folks do you know who wish him dead? How many do you know that are praying for his death?

Hell, I remember a bunch of loonies on this board who would have shot Bush themselves they were so overcome with hatred for the guy.

And if muslims were praying for Bush to die (and they were), couldn't that be racism too?

Partial Qualifier
12/10/2009, 05:13 PM
I'm still amazed at the whole "African/American" label in regards to Obama. He's more white than he is black, and on any level besides the superficial, calling him "African American" implies he descended from slaves.

But I guess "just a dude" doesn't win votes from any group in particular.

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 05:14 PM
That's racist.

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 05:16 PM
ahh, the race card, and Teleprompter Jesus is now the victim.

I guess if his supporters can't admit what a disasterous FAIL he's been so far, they will just blame it all on RAACISM!!!?!!?!!!.

In the end, its not the black, its the red.
. . .

Your avatar speaks louder than your words.

Or is the dude in whiteface the only way you can think of to portray how evil you think Mr. Obama is?

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 05:19 PM
Dude, you didn't watch Batman?

C&CDean
12/10/2009, 05:19 PM
You know, the joker? Get it? jeez

Boarder
12/10/2009, 05:30 PM
being a socialist left-wing radical who spent 20 years Rev. Wright's racist church, befriending the domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, and being a community organizer with close ties to ACORN.

Case in point..

How does any of this tie to a policy? How does his involvement in a church equal an AIG bailout?

And Dean, you telling me that in this here redneck of the woods you don't know anyone who would never vote for him because he is black? Because I'm in the same woods and know several.

And no, I'm not kidding at all.
1. I firmly believe that there was a lot (as the thread title says) of anti-Obama rhetoric that was racial based. I have witnessed it first hand. I'm not saying everyone, but I do say a "lot". Which leads to...
2. And yes, I believe that a lot of people used the socialist tag to mask their racism.
3. And yes, I think that many people who used the socialist tag could neither define nor spell socialist.
4. And yes, I believe that most of the anti-Obama rhetoric that is used now is actually issue based.

If you have some actual arguments against that, please tell them. If you have nothing better to say than, "golly gee, that's stupid" then don't bother. I'm not one of those blind Obama supporters who think that everything he does is just peachy-keen so that doesn't work here.

As a side note, I do think that W. Bush got it a lot worse, but it took a couple of years to really get going, rather than starting in a couple of weeks before taking office.

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 05:43 PM
Really? You know this how? How many folks do you know who wish him dead? How many do you know that are praying for his death?

Bible verse (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/11/16/biblical-anti-obama-slogan-use-of-psalm-1098-funny-or-sinister/)

Arizona pastor (http://www.examiner.com/x-12513-Christian-Living-Examiner~y2009m9d1-Arizona-pastor-prays-for-President-Obamas-death)

I stand corrected (http://www.canada.com/Secret+Service+gaffe+White+House+gatecrashing/2302757/story.html) on the rise in death threats.



Hell, I remember a bunch of loonies on this board who would have shot Bush themselves they were so overcome with hatred for the guy.

I hated Cheney and Rove; I felt sorry for Mr. Bush. I never wanted any of them to die. More to your point, I don't remember seeing "libz" on this board wanting any of them to die. I hoped Mr. Bush would move on to chopping brush full time, but in that I've been disappointed. :rolleyes:


And if muslims were praying for Bush to die (and they were), couldn't that be racism too?

Maybe a bunch of Muslims in the "Arab Street" were praying that, but ObL was tickled pink that Mr. Bush was playing into his plans. However, the vast majority of Muslims neither vote in the US nor post on SF.com

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 05:50 PM
Dude, you didn't watch Batman?

Yes, I watched Dark Knight. Great movie, BTW.

I should have been more specific. As in "Is the Joker (the evil dude in whiteface) the only image you can think of to portray how evil you think Mr. Obama is?"

I figured we all knew the reference.

jdsooner
12/10/2009, 05:56 PM
As one of the folks that is an Obama supporter, I believe that some, not most, of the opposition is racially motivated. However, I think that there are some political commentators that have demonized him with ridiculous statements and have created a bit of irrational fear. Although I do not agree with his politics, I thought that Bill O'Reilly was fair in giving his report card on Obama the other day. O'Reilly is much more objective than Hannity, Beck, or others of that ilk.

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 05:57 PM
As a side note, I do think that W. Bush got it a lot worse, but it took a couple of years to really get going, rather than starting in a couple of weeks before taking office.

The Obama bashers were just waiting in the wings, having used the previous eight years to raise their game from the era of Clinton-bashing.

Nobody could believe how bad Mr. Bush could be, so the Bush-bashing took a while to go nationwide.

JohnnyMack
12/10/2009, 06:06 PM
3. And yes, I think that many people who used the socialist tag could neither define nor spell socialist.

You should take a video camera to the Wal Mart in Atoka and ask people about Obama for an hour. That'd be fun.

Watching the tape might make SicEm's head physically explode, but it'd be mostly worth it.

Boarder
12/10/2009, 06:08 PM
and being a community organizer

By the way, I've been meaning to ask this for a while. What is wrong with being a community organizer? Not with Obama being a community organizer, but anyone being one. This activity seems to be on par with being a hornfan around here and I've never actually seen an explanation of why it is bad.

What is a community organizer, anyway? From what I can find, it seems to be someone who works with non-profits for civic improvement.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 06:16 PM
By the way, I've been meaning to ask this for a while. What is wrong with being a community organizer? Not with Obama being a community organizer, but anyone being one. This activity seems to be on par with being a hornfan around here and I've never actually seen an explanation of why it is bad.

What is a community organizer, anyway? From what I can find, it seems to be someone who works with non-profits for civic improvement.


I never knew Pollyanna had a brother. Guess you learn something every day.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 06:20 PM
And people who like to pull out the racist bull**** and paint a broad stroke saying or insinuating that anybody who doesn't like Barack is a racist can go **** themselves. That is nothing but lazy, partisan, couch sitting, ridiculous, inept, and pointless banter.

TAFBSooner
12/10/2009, 06:30 PM
I never knew Pollyanna had a brother. Guess you learn something every day.

See, Boarder? It just is like being a horn fan. There's no reason.

Boarder
12/10/2009, 06:38 PM
I never knew Pollyanna had a brother. Guess you learn something every day.
Well, I guess you told me! Awesome argument on why community organizing is bad. Why couldn't I have seen that before?

royalfan5
12/10/2009, 06:41 PM
Well, I guess you told me! Awesome argument on why community organizing is bad. Why couldn't I have seen that before?

Rugged Individualism has no room for community don't ya know.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 07:00 PM
Well, I guess you told me! Awesome argument on why community organizing is bad. Why couldn't I have seen that before?

You asked a loaded question that you already knew the answer to. Being active in the community is fine, we should all do more of it. In the Navy, we built some baseball/softball fields for a local school district. It was personally very rewarding to do that.

Being active in the community with political agendas, you know, committing voter fraud and other crimes, not so much. But you knew that already too.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 07:01 PM
See, Boarder? It just is like being a horn fan. There's no reason.

Exactly. ;)

Boarder
12/10/2009, 07:13 PM
You asked a loaded question that you already knew the answer to. Being active in the community is fine, we should all do more of it. In the Navy, we built some baseball/softball fields for a local school district. It was personally very rewarding to do that.

Being active in the community with political agendas, you know, committing voter fraud and other crimes, not so much. But you knew that already too.
No, I have seen many times from people on this board and other places that Obama was a community organizer. It was meant to be an insult in some way. I have looked and looked and can't find out why it would be that way. It was a real question.

I don't have a problem with being in the community with political agendas. It happens every election. But yes, committing voter fraud is completely wrong.

I guess you could say I'm just confirming that calling someone a "community organizer" really means nothing and can be grouped in with the other meaningless descriptions.

Harry Beanbag
12/10/2009, 07:18 PM
No, I have seen many times from people on this board and other places that Obama was a community organizer. It was meant to be an insult in some way. I have looked and looked and can't find out why it would be that way. It was a real question.

I don't have a problem with being in the community with political agendas. It happens every election. But yes, committing voter fraud is completely wrong.

I guess you could say I'm just confirming that calling someone a "community organizer" really means nothing and can be grouped in with the other meaningless descriptions.


Okay, I misunderstood you. In that aspect, being a community organizer is an insult because that was his crowning achievement on the road to the White House, voter fraud and other alleged crimes notwithstanding.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
12/10/2009, 07:52 PM
Your avatar speaks louder than your words.

Or is the dude in whiteface the only way you can think of to portray how evil you think Mr. Obama is?How freakin' silly!

TAFBSooner
12/11/2009, 01:25 AM
How freakin' silly!

Sigh.

The Joker, as protrayed in Dark Knight, represents as evil as it's possible for a human being to be. This Joker wasn't stupid, he wasn't funny, he was pure evil. Tuba has plausible deniability for the race card, by saying his meaning is that Obama is evil (red, not black, is how he put it).

However, blackface on a white actor is racism from way back. Whiteface on a black person refers to that. I know this image didn't originate with Tuba, so I can't say that's what he means. But that's what I think every time I see the avatar.

Soonerus
12/11/2009, 01:51 AM
Geeez, I made a commitment to myself not to engage in political BS on SF and I made a mistake....I hate it...

SicEmBaylor
12/11/2009, 02:02 AM
Can you name another President that has had their approval rating crash this far in such a short amount of time???

Don't worry, gallup can't either..

Uh, Gallup wasn't even founded until 1958.

Let me explain something else that will greatly benefit your uh "analysis" in the future. Snapshot polls are meaningless. Using a snapshot poll to pass judgement on a President less than a year into his turn is just ignorant...no it's not ignorant it's just flat-out stupid. Stu-f'ing-pid. Let's wait until his Presidency is over and a little time has passed and then we can pass judgement on whether or not he failed to live up to expectations.

Now, to the other part of your question...

In no particular order representing their level of failure or inability to live up to the hype:

John Adams

James Madison (it physically pains me to include him since he is without a doubt my favorite of the Founding Fathers)

William Henry Harrison (obviously)

Herbert Hoover

George H.W. Bush

Now...Obama may yet bump someone out of that top 5 (probably Adams) but let's just tone the brainless rhetoric down a bit and wait until he's severed at least a quarter of one term.

SicEmBaylor
12/11/2009, 02:05 AM
There is one objective measure by which you're wrong. Mr. Bush never got the number of death threats and death "wishes" and death "prayers" that Mr. Obama is getting.

I beg to differ. As Dean said, there's no way you could possibly know that.

I'm willing to bet that Bush, over the course of 8 years, received far more death threats than Obama has this far into his term even if he is black.

If you add up the international hatred of Bush alone it has to be greater than Obama's entire career.

Hell, there were a movie and a play made specifically about killing Bush.

SicEmBaylor
12/11/2009, 02:07 AM
Sigh.

The Joker, as protrayed in Dark Knight, represents as evil as it's possible for a human being to be. This Joker wasn't stupid, he wasn't funny, he was pure evil. Tuba has plausible deniability for the race card, by saying his meaning is that Obama is evil (red, not black, is how he put it).

However, blackface on a white actor is racism from way back. Whiteface on a black person refers to that. I know this image didn't originate with Tuba, so I can't say that's what he means. But that's what I think every time I see the avatar.

Your allusion to black minstrels is a pretty big *** stretch.

Are black mimes racist?

TheHumanAlphabet
12/11/2009, 09:59 AM
Hilarious day when 44% of people wish Bush was in the WH. Oblahma has managed to pi$$ away all of the good will he ever had. Along the way, he has pi$$ed off the Brits, the UN, the Arabs, Americans for his cow-towing and bowing to government figureheads and now the Norwegians with his slap at the Nobel committee and King Harald. This guy is a joke and not fit to lead this country.

Partial Qualifier
12/11/2009, 10:10 AM
I'm willing to let it all play out before passing any harsh judgement.

My only hope is that Americans will finally grasp two things: 1) voting shady congresspeople into office is a bad thing, and 2) spending money as though it grows on trees is just plain dumb.

Veritas
12/11/2009, 10:21 AM
My only hope is that Americans will finally grasp two things: 1) voting shady congresspeople into office is a bad thing, and 2) spending money as though it grows on trees is just plain dumb.
This.

49r
12/11/2009, 10:40 AM
I beg to differ. As Dean said, there's no way you could possibly know that.

I'm willing to bet that Bush, over the course of 8 years, received far more death threats than Obama has this far into his term even if he is black.

If you add up the international hatred of Bush alone it has to be greater than Obama's entire career.

Hell, there were a movie and a play made specifically about killing Bush.


Sounds to me like Tiger Woods has spent a lot of time "killing bush" in the last few years...if you know what I mean!

WOKKA WOKKA!!!! :D

TheHumanAlphabet
12/11/2009, 12:18 PM
I'm willing to let it all play out before passing any harsh judgement.

My only hope is that Americans will finally grasp two things: 1) voting shady congresspeople into office is a bad thing, and 2) spending money as though it grows on trees is just plain dumb.

The problem is that people who think #2 is okay and its someone else's money and I need to get some for me will always vote for #1.

Pricetag
12/11/2009, 01:55 PM
Hilarious day when 44% of people wish Bush was in the WH.
John McCain got about 45 percent of the popular vote in 2008, did he not? To cite that 44 percent wish that President Bush was still in office as some kind of failure on the part of President Obama is ridiculous. It's not like anything has changed since January.

Pricetag
12/11/2009, 01:58 PM
Rus, honestly, people get pretty intense about Oklahoma football. Have you see these posters go off on some reporter who says OU might not win the national championship in 201X?

And politics affects way more people than OU football does, and it's generally involving issues closer to home and often more emotional and personal than OU football.

And you think people aren't going to take that fight (politics) personally?
The sad part about politics is that so many people who consider themselves knowledgable can't tell the difference between them and a spectator sport like football.

TheHumanAlphabet
12/11/2009, 02:00 PM
John McCain got about 45 percent of the popular vote in 2008, did he not? To cite that 44 percent wish that President Bush was still in office as some kind of failure on the part of President Obama is ridiculous. It's not like anything has changed since January.

Wasn't Barry going to make everyone love him and love changed?

Pricetag
12/11/2009, 02:14 PM
Wasn't Barry going to make everyone love him and love changed?
It certainly wasn't my expectation. The kind of change is going to have to come from within individual voters.

I have to ask, though, did he have a shot to make you "love him?"

I do think that if the republicans assume that President Obama has already screwed things up badly enough to where they have 2012 in the bag, we might see a bigger victory for President Obama then than in 2008, but I think it would be more an indictment of the failure of the republicans than anything President Obama will have done.

Frozen Sooner
12/11/2009, 02:53 PM
John McCain got about 45 percent of the popular vote in 2008, did he not? To cite that 44 percent wish that President Bush was still in office as some kind of failure on the part of President Obama is ridiculous. It's not like anything has changed since January.

I have yet to see any kind of a link that backs this statement up. I see that Gallup has a 44% "disapprove" rating for President Obama, but one is not logically connected to the other.

1890MilesToNorman
12/11/2009, 02:53 PM
Here's how smart our Republican Senators can be! Can you say cash merry-go-round with the gubmint taking a piece?

http://updates.morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/updates/collins-bill-simplifies-cap-and-trade-system

WASHINGTON -- Two senators are proposing a new approach to tackling climate change. They want to reduce greenhouse gases by having the government sell pollution allowances to industry and then use most of the money to send tax-free monthly checks to every American.

The checks would offset the higher cost of energy.

The proposal in a bill introduced today by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington is an alternative to a more complex cap-and-trade climate proposal already before the Senate and approved by the House. Cantwell said her approach is a simpler way to reduce carbon pollution and boost clean energy alternatives. It is designed to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2020 and about 80 percent by mid-century.

Boarder
12/11/2009, 03:02 PM
I have yet to see any kind of a link that backs this statement up. I see that Gallup has a 44% "disapprove" rating for President Obama, but one is not logically connected to the other.
Surprised?

Frozen Sooner
12/11/2009, 03:13 PM
Surprised?

Not really.

TAFBSooner
12/11/2009, 04:56 PM
I beg to differ. As Dean said, there's no way you could possibly know that.

I'm willing to bet that Bush, over the course of 8 years, received far more death threats than Obama has this far into his term even if he is black.

If you add up the international hatred of Bush alone it has to be greater than Obama's entire career.

Hell, there were a movie and a play made specifically about killing Bush.

See post 61. The source that proved me wrong about the Secret Service receiving more death threats (per unit time) to President Obama than previous presidents, also shows that President Bush got no more (likewise) than Mr. Obama.

I sourced the death wishes and death prayers for Mr. Obama.

Being an isolationist, why are you even discussing foreigners hating any of our presidents?

OklahomaTuba
12/11/2009, 05:23 PM
I have yet to see any kind of a link that backs this statement up. I see that Gallup has a 44% "disapprove" rating for President Obama, but one is not logically connected to the other.

Its not that hard to find...


Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama's declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

At this rate, I give him another year of this and I bet those numbers are flipped.

OklahomaTuba
12/11/2009, 05:26 PM
Case in point..

How does any of this tie to a policy? How does his involvement in a church equal an AIG bailout? So how does hanging around marxists explain his attempt to nationalize the financial industry, the insurance industry, the health care industry and the auto industry???

Gee, got me there. ;)

OklahomaTuba
12/11/2009, 05:36 PM
However, blackface on a white actor is racism from way back. Whiteface on a black person refers to that. I know this image didn't originate with Tuba, so I can't say that's what he means. But that's what I think every time I see the avatar.Well, sorry that you have racist thoughts, but I don't.

The fact is, it was made by a Obama supporter. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/08/obama-joker-artist.html)

And Rolling Stone did the same thing to Bush.

TheHumanAlphabet
12/11/2009, 05:40 PM
It certainly wasn't my expectation. The kind of change is going to have to come from within individual voters.

I have to ask, though, did he have a shot to make you "love him?"

I do think that if the republicans assume that President Obama has already screwed things up badly enough to where they have 2012 in the bag, we might see a bigger victory for President Obama then than in 2008, but I think it would be more an indictment of the failure of the republicans than anything President Obama will have done.

I was afraid he was too socialistic, and I was proven correct. I gave him a chance to have his presidency, but after his gaffs and his Obamacare and his bailouts and pay and etc. czars, he lost me early on...

Frozen Sooner
12/11/2009, 05:41 PM
Its not that hard to find...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

At this rate, I give him another year of this and I bet those numbers are flipped.

OK, great. Thanks for actually sourcing something that says what you say it does for once.

I do find it pretty funny that you guys are seizing on a PPP poll now though, considering.

TheHumanAlphabet
12/11/2009, 05:42 PM
Here's how smart our Republican Senators can be! Can you say cash merry-go-round with the gubmint taking a piece?

http://updates.morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/updates/collins-bill-simplifies-cap-and-trade-system

WASHINGTON -- Two senators are proposing a new approach to tackling climate change. They want to reduce greenhouse gases by having the government sell pollution allowances to industry and then use most of the money to send tax-free monthly checks to every American.

The checks would offset the higher cost of energy.

The proposal in a bill introduced today by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington is an alternative to a more complex cap-and-trade climate proposal already before the Senate and approved by the House. Cantwell said her approach is a simpler way to reduce carbon pollution and boost clean energy alternatives. It is designed to cut emissions by 20 percent by 2020 and about 80 percent by mid-century.

Of all the assinine ideas. These two Senators must go, they are idiots.

Half a Hundred
12/12/2009, 05:34 PM
There's no point in even arguing over this. (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/)