Say goodbye to cheap TV's?

[85Sooner]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20091111/sc_livescience/californiadecisioncouldlimithdtvchoicesnationwide


If passed, the best value in home theater HDTVs will disappear from California shelves and, some analysts figure, will ultimately cut consumer choices across the country.

DAMN CALIFORNIA

[OUDoc]

Why would this affect anyone in the other 49 states?

[JLEW1818]

cali is a pretty useful state...........................

[Oldnslo]

Why would this affect anyone in the other 49 states?

I'd guess that because instead of nutting up and saying that these Cali airheads can't draft legislation impacting interstate commerce OR inviting Cali residents to purchase something other than what they make for other markets (or get nothing and like it), companies will try to cater to this Great State whose residents have a GNP larger than most countries.

I suppose it's possible that they'll still produce sets as they do now, but it's also likely that in order to recoup the expenses of research and development of the new and as-yet perhaps uninvented technology, they'll just add expense to the entire line.

As indicated in the article:
CEA fears new restrictions will quickly spill over into other states: as California goes, so goes the nation. Manufacturers will not make TVs that can be sold in one state and not another. Can you imagine The California Energy Diet TV versus The Super Size It Texas TV? Rather than driving Californians out of state and online to buy non-conforming TVs, the net result will be fewer choices for consumers.


"What is needed is congressional legislation on the energy efficiency of CE and other household product," said Steve Smith, Editor-in-Chief of Twice, the consumer electronics trade publication. "Congressional deliberations will allow the opinions of many [to] be heard and considered, rather than have one state legislature dictate policy on such a vital national issue."

It's not entirely dissimilar to what the Cali legislature has done to the auto industry on emissions.

[OUDoc]

How 'bout they focus on the rest of the country. If Cali has no new big screen TV's, the population will demand they repeal the stupid legislation.

What is it with California and Texas that makes them believe anyone else gives 2 ****s what they think?

[Boomer.....]

Funny how they compare plasma prices to LED instead of LCD to make it seem more dramatic.

[texas bandman]

Sometimes I just wish they'd drop off into the ocean....I want my 60" HDTV!

[yermom]

that article's numbers don't seem to be all that accurate...

[LosAngelesSooner]

WTF business of yours is it if we decide we don't want to waste a bunch of energy when the technology to live smarter and cheaper is out there? :rolleyes:

Unless, of course, you're not in favor of state's rights and prefer a strong centralized Federal government.

As for me, I already have a 57" LED TV hanging on the wall. Trust me, you don't need any more than 57".

[Boomer.....]

Simma down, Bruce.

[OUHOMER]

WTF business of yours is it if we decide we don't want to waste a bunch of energy when the technology to live smarter and cheaper is out there? :rolleyes:

Unless, of course, you're not in favor of state's rights and prefer a strong centralized Federal government.

As for me, I already have a 57" LED TV hanging on the wall. Trust me, you don't need any more than 57".

Who said YOU get a vote in this matter?

[85Sooner]

Who makes a 57" LED in the US?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Sorry. 55". Toshiba.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Who said YOU get a vote in this matter?

My stock options in Sony. ;)

[soonerboomer93]

oddly enough, some manufacturers are saying they're already at, or near the new energy star requirements and think they'll be able to hit the cali requirements

I don't think it's right for cali to have requirements stricter then the energy star ones, however I don't think it's unfair to ask the manufacturers to reduce the consumption of tv's.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Why does it matter to any of you what the State of California chooses to do? If we wanna be all granola and green and stuff, it's up to us, right?

You don't see Cali getting upset that y'all can still smoke in your restaurants and bars, do you? (p.s. - and if someone out here DID get pissed, I'd tell them to shut the hell up, too.)

[Breadburner]

cali is a pretty useless state...........................

Fixed..!

[LosAngelesSooner]

Fixed..!:rolleyes:

More Cali jealousy...rearin' its ugly head...

[colleyvillesooner]

That didn't take long.

[tator]

Someone seems a little defensive...

[yermom]

have fun with your IOUs and stuff :)

[LosAngelesSooner]

Someone seems a little defensive...Hmmm.

What if EVERY time someone mentioned Oklahoma, a dozen jackasses came back with "Racist Oklahoma" and "Jokelahoma" and "Ignorant Oklahoma" and "Inbred Oklahoma."?

It might get a little old, huh? :rolleyes:

[AlbqSooner]

Hmmm.

What if EVERY time someone mentioned Oklahoma, a dozen jackasses came back with "Racist Oklahoma" and "Jokelahoma" and "Ignorant Oklahoma" and "Inbred Oklahoma."?

It might get a little old, huh? :rolleyes:

A bit self-centered of you to read your own posts don't ya think.:D

[LosAngelesSooner]

A bit self-centered of you to read your own posts don't ya think.:D
:D
Heh.

I've never said those things about Oklahoma. I love my home state. :)

[NormanPride]

I agree with LAS on this one. Though it irks me that their policies might affect how business is done in other states, it is their right to make the changes. Then it's the other states' jobs to work with Cali to get them changed back or modified so that business isn't impacted in other places. This is how the country is supposed to work, guys.

[Frozen Sooner]

I agree with LAS on this one. Though it irks me that their policies might affect how business is done in other states, it is their right to make the changes. Then it's the other states' jobs to work with Cali to get them changed back or modified so that business isn't impacted in other places. This is how the country is supposed to work, guys.

Remember, NP: States' rights are only important when we like what they're doing.

[NormanPride]

I forgot about that part... thanks, Froz. :D

[sooneron]

Toshiba? There are about 5 models better than that, Bruce.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Toshiba? There are about 5 models better than that, Bruce.
Toshiba is a good model.

And were you calling me Bruce?

[Frozen Sooner]

I have a Toshiba Regza series. I've been pretty happy with it.

[NormanPride]

Good fer you, Bruce.



;)

[Frozen Sooner]

Good fer you, Bruce.



;)

You know what the difference between me and you is?

I can write a check that would pay off my mortgage, but I choose to keep a mortgage, because it makes sense to keep money in a 0% checking account versus a paying off a tax-deductible mortgage at 5.25%. I'm in the 125% tax bracket, you see. I don't feel the need to be happy about making a $1,500 bonus on top of my regular salary, because I poop diamonds.

[NormanPride]

You should get that checked out. Pooping diamonds can be hazardous to your health and the health of those around you. I heard they scrape up yer pooper somethin' fierce.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Hmmm.

What if EVERY time someone mentioned Oklahoma, a dozen jackasses came back with "Racist Oklahoma" and "Jokelahoma" and "Ignorant Oklahoma" and "Inbred Oklahoma."?

It might get a little old, huh? :rolleyes:

LAS,

If you could place the California environment (vistas and climate) with an Oklahoma work ethic, people and a low tax rate/no income tax, then you would have as close to Heaven on Earth as I could imagine.

Oh, and flying into Ontario airport is quite a good deal. I'll be checking out Monrovia over the next year or so quite often as I am supporting a new project based out of there.

[Boarder]

You know what the difference between me and you is?

I can write a check that would pay off my mortgage, but I choose to keep a mortgage, because it makes sense to keep money in a 0% checking account versus a paying off a tax-deductible mortgage at 5.25%. I'm in the 125% tax bracket, you see. I don't feel the need to be happy about making a $1,500 bonus on top of my regular salary, because I poop diamonds.
You forgot the part about how you gotta go meet some chicks at O'Connells and how you scare the crap out of Hairy.

[Oldnslo]

If you're pooping diamonds, but starting with coal, you might consider decaf.

[Frozen Sooner]

If you're pooping diamonds, but starting with coal, you might consider decaf.

I start with awesome.

[LosAngelesSooner]

LAS,

If you could place the California environment (vistas and climate) with an Oklahoma work ethic, people and a low tax rate/no income tax, then you would have as close to Heaven on Earth as I could imagine.

Oh, and flying into Ontario airport is quite a good deal. I'll be checking out Monrovia over the next year or so quite often as I am supporting a new project based out of there.
I gotta straighten out two things:

1) There are PLENTY of people out in Cali with a strong work ethic. Many of them are Okies, but the Mexicans work pretty damned hard, too.

and

2) Our sales tax SUCKS. Yes. But our PROPERTY Tax is RIDICULOUSLY LOW. That's why our sales tax is so high...and that's the real reason our state keeps having budget problems. Most states make the majority of their income off of property tax. Ours got frozen in the mid eighties and hasn't moved since. Thus...the high sales tax.

Shoot. We know Alaska doesn't have any sales tax, but now compare Cali's property tax to Alaska's.

Back on topic, next time you're in Ontario, take a day and drive up to Mt. Baldy village. It's really pretty up there.

[Frozen Sooner]

Alaska doesn't have a property tax, nor does it have an income or sales tax.

Some communities in AK have sales or property taxes. Anchorage has a property tax, which I didn't find particularly onerous.

That whole oil thing.

[Harry Beanbag]

I agree with LAS on this one. Though it irks me that their policies might affect how business is done in other states, it is their right to make the changes. Then it's the other states' jobs to work with Cali to get them changed back or modified so that business isn't impacted in other places. This is how the country is supposed to work, guys.

I agree, but California still sucks.

[47straight]

2) Our sales tax SUCKS. Yes. But our PROPERTY Tax is RIDICULOUSLY LOW. That's why our sales tax is so high...


How progressive.

[JohnnyMack]

WTF business of yours is it if we decide we don't want to waste a bunch of energy when the technology to live smarter and cheaper is out there? :rolleyes:

Unless, of course, you're not in favor of state's rights and prefer a strong centralized Federal government.

As for me, I already have a 57" LED TV hanging on the wall. Trust me, you don't need any more than 57".

Why not worry more about individual liberties instead of painting it as a states rights issue? Legislation of this sort is ridiculous.

[delhalew]

Why does it matter to any of you what the State of California chooses to do? If we wanna be all granola and green and stuff, it's up to us, right?

You don't see Cali getting upset that y'all can still smoke in your restaurants and bars, do you? (p.s. - and if someone out here DID get pissed, I'd tell them to shut the hell up, too.)

You **** your economy and fail to meet the budgets for all of your states idiotic programs till cows come home for all care. I don't have to pay taxes in Cali.

The problems is, too many Federal Tax dollars are dolled out to your state for me to refrain from pointing out how counterproductive Cali's groundbreaking ideas tend to be.

[delhalew]

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/archives/2009/03/summary-of-californias-upcoming-new-tax-hikes.html

When you write checks your butt can't cash you end up trying to raise taxes in a recession. Then normal hardworking people vote with their feet. The move somewhere that doesn't suck @ss. Even if they can't give there house away.

Just ask the states of New Jersey and New York.

[85Sooner]

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/archives/2009/03/summary-of-californias-upcoming-new-tax-hikes.html

When you write checks your butt can't cash you end up trying to raise taxes in a recession. Then normal hardworking people vote with their feet. The move somewhere that doesn't suck @ss. Even if they can't give there house away.

Just ask the states of New Jersey and New York.

Unfortunately, they are the ones who voted to get the state in the shaoe its in in the first place or can it be blamed on soeone else? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Octavian]

California needs to secede

[delhalew]

California needs to secede

Along with most of the New England states. Once proud defenders of liberty...look at them now.

But then, who are any of us to talk.

[delhalew]

Unfortunately, they are the ones who voted to get the state in the shaoe its in in the first place or can it be blamed on soeone else? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

This is classic. They are like a cloud locusts. Look at the eastern seaboard.

NYC libs make new york and jersey intolerable, then spill out to the south and west to escape and bring the same ideas that destroyed the place they just left.

This why Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado will erode if they don't fight with every fiber of their being.

[BajaOklahoma]

CA has had different emissions requirements for all vehicles for years. Automobile manufacturers adapted, without forcing the rest of the country to meet their standards.

Samsung > Toshiba, right now.

[JohnnyMack]

This is classic. They are like a cloud locusts. Look at the eastern seaboard.

NYC libs make new york and jersey intolerable, then spill out to the south and west to escape and bring the same ideas that destroyed the place they just left.

This why Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado will erode if they don't fight with every fiber of their being.

My wife is from New Jersey. She still has a lot of friends and family up in those parts that make your broad sweeping generalizations completely ridiculous.

[delhalew]

Your wifes friends stayed so the idea that Jerseeyites are among the highest taxed in the country is ridiculous? Right.

Not only are they highly taxed, but as someone who has been everywhere in this country two or three times, with very few exeptions Jersey is a ****hole. It's also overflowing with libs.

Hard working liberty minded people are leaving. I don't care if you believe me.

People leaving NYC have ruined Maryland, Pennsylvania, and have very nearly screwed up Virginia.

[I Am Right]

You **** your economy and fail to meet the budgets for all of your states idiotic programs till cows come home for all care. I don't have to pay taxes in Cali.

The problems is, too many Federal Tax dollars are dolled out to your state for me to refrain from pointing out how counterproductive Cali's groundbreaking ideas tend to be.

Good post.

[I Am Right]

This is classic. They are like a cloud locusts. Look at the eastern seaboard.

NYC libs make new york and jersey intolerable, then spill out to the south and west to escape and bring the same ideas that destroyed the place they just left.

This why Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado will erode if they don't fight with every fiber of their being.

Another good post. keep it up and some of these posters will dissaprove.

[Frozen Sooner]

The problems is, too many Federal Tax dollars are dolled out to your state for me to refrain from pointing out how counterproductive Cali's groundbreaking ideas tend to be.

As of 2005, California received $0.78 in federal dollars per $1 paid in federal taxes, ranking 43rd among all states (and Puero Rico). Considering the number of military bases in California, that's pretty impressive.

New York received $0.79, ranking 42nd.

These numbers are fairly consistent all the way back to 1981.

[the_ouskull]

As of 2005, California received $0.78 in federal dollars per $1 paid in federal taxes, ranking 43rd among all states (and Puero Rico). Considering the number of military bases in California, that's pretty impressive.

New York received $0.79, ranking 42nd.

These numbers are fairly consistent all the way back to 1981.

Maybe they found other sources of revenue in California... LEGALIZE IT ALREADY!

the_ouskull

[delhalew]

As of 2005, California received $0.78 in federal dollars per $1 paid in federal taxes, ranking 43rd among all states (and Puero Rico). Considering the number of military bases in California, that's pretty impressive.

New York received $0.79, ranking 42nd.

These numbers are fairly consistent all the way back to 1981.

Does that count funding for a gay porn theater in San Francisco?

Lets be realistic, when their tax hikes don't work, they will turn to federal gov. They may be turned down, but Cali would rather free prisoners and alter essential services than rethink environmental policies based in fantasy and entitlements for everyone.

[yermom]

Cali isn't into freeing prisoners from what i can tell...

[delhalew]

Cali isn't into freeing prisoners from what i can tell...

That was a threat they were using to try to get the Federal gov to come to the rescue/get Cali voters to vote for a solution that is less than smart.

Supposedly they did free some nonviolent offenders. I don't know that's true.

[JohnnyMack]

Your wifes friends stayed so the idea that Jerseeyites are among the highest taxed in the country is ridiculous? Right.

Not only are they highly taxed, but as someone who has been everywhere in this country two or three times, with very few exeptions Jersey is a ****hole. It's also overflowing with libs.

Hard working liberty minded people are leaving. I don't care if you believe me.

People leaving NYC have ruined Maryland, Pennsylvania, and have very nearly screwed up Virginia.

Someone who lives in Oklahoma calling New Jersey a ****hole. That's rich. Go watch Fox News and enjoy your coffee.

[delhalew]

It's nice here. I have a lot to compare it to. I've lived in 17 of the lower 48, and spent extended periods of time in all the rest.

The only ones I still need to see are AK and Hawaii. I already know they are nice places.

[Frozen Sooner]

It's nice here. I have a lot to compare it to. I've lived in 17 of the lower 48, and spent extended periods of time in all the rest.

The only ones I still need to see are AK and Hawaii. I already know they are nice places.

And both of them receive a ton of federal money compared to what they pay in. As does Oklahoma (though OK's has fallen in the last four years, mainly due to the efforts of Tom Coburn.)

[MR2-Sooner86]

Trust me, you don't need any more than 57".

Ye...no. I want a TV that pulls a Christmas Vacation. They need to fire up another reactor just to power the thing.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Alaska doesn't have a property tax, nor does it have an income or sales tax.

Some communities in AK have sales or property taxes. Anchorage has a property tax, which I didn't find particularly onerous.

That whole oil thing.That was my point.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I agree, but California still sucks.I guess you'd know. From what I hear you're the king of sucking. ;)

[LosAngelesSooner]

You **** your economy and fail to meet the budgets for all of your states idiotic programs till cows come home for all care. I don't have to pay taxes in Cali.

The problems is, too many Federal Tax dollars are dolled out to your state for me to refrain from pointing out how counterproductive Cali's groundbreaking ideas tend to be.WOW.

There's so much FAIL in this post...I'm just gonna sit here and laugh at it. :D

[Harry Beanbag]

I guess you'd know. From what I hear you're the king of sucking. ;)

Have you been taking classes at the KC//Crimson school of comedy? Lame-O.

I've lived in California for a few years. Too many people and too many laws there.

[delhalew]

WOW.

There's so much FAIL in this post...I'm just gonna sit here and laugh at it. :D

I'll take that as a compliment:P

[LosAngelesSooner]

California needs to secede


Along with most of the New England states. Once proud defenders of liberty...look at them now.

But then, who are any of us to talk.
Wow. What a collection of epically stupid statements.

Do you have ANY idea how much California and the New England states give to the rest of you guys?

Jesus Christ. You guy bitch, but have no idea what you're really bitching about.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Have you been taking classes at the KC//Crimson school of comedy? Lame-O.

I've lived in California for a few years. Too many people and too many laws there.
I guess the winkey doesn't mean anything anymore :rolleyes:

Sorry I hurt your feelers.

[85Sooner]

Wow. What a collection of epically stupid statements.

Do you have ANY idea how much California and the New England states give to the rest of you guys?

Jesus Christ. You guy bitch, but have no idea what you're really bitching about.

IF we agree to not accept it will they go away?

[LosAngelesSooner]

Hard working liberty minded people are leaving. I don't care if you believe me. Please define these people so we can know what they look like?

I mean...I thought the people who died in 9/11 were pretty hard working and liberty minded. Educate me.

:pop:

[LosAngelesSooner]

IF we agree to not accept it will they go away?
If you guys were stupid enough to "agree not to accept it" then YOU would be the ones going away.

Welcome to Mexico-Jesus Land.

[LosAngelesSooner]

As of 2005, California received $0.78 in federal dollars per $1 paid in federal taxes, ranking 43rd among all states (and Puero Rico). Considering the number of military bases in California, that's pretty impressive.

New York received $0.79, ranking 42nd.

These numbers are fairly consistent all the way back to 1981.


Cali isn't into freeing prisoners from what i can tell...

Don't let the facts get in the way of his overwhelming ignorance.

[tommieharris91]

Nevermind

[delhalew]

IF we agree to not accept it will they go away?

I wish our "progressive" states would secede. After they collapse we would take them back, with the understanding that they can pull anything in their own states the citizens will allow, but the Federal Gub'ment will no longer be their daddy, Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.

[KC//CRIMSON]

I guess the winkey doesn't mean anything anymore :rolleyes:

Sorry I hurt your feelers.

Homer Simpson doesn't like it when you insult his intelligence, or lack there of....

[Harry Beanbag]

Homer Simpson doesn't like it when you insult his intelligence, or lack there of....

Your posts insult everyone's intelligence.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Your posts insult everyone's intelligence.

Dane Cook, ladies and gentlemen.

[Half a Hundred]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

[Frozen Sooner]

Those New England states sure are a drain on the Federal treasury all right.

[John Kochtoston]

Maybe they found other sources of revenue in California... LEGALIZE IT ALREADY!

the_ouskull

Calm down and have some ... oh, wait, sorry. Forgot it's illegal.
:D

[LosAngelesSooner]

I wish our "progressive" states would secede. After they collapse we would take them back, with the understanding that they can pull anything in their own states the citizens will allow, but the Federal Gub'ment will no longer be their daddy, Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.


http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

:D

Heh.

Pwn3d.