Did Ft. Hood just get attacked???

[OklahomaTuba]

hope not, but this sounds like what the FORT DIX 6 wanted to pull off..


FORT HOOD - Seven people have been killed and at least 12 injured after a shooter opened fire on Fort Hood Thursday afternoon.

Fort Hood officials say one person is in custody but are asking people to stay away from windows.

We've learned an incident has taken place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area.http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553

[OklahomaTuba]

Geez..

"Seeing local reports (Hood is 20 miles west of me) that first shootings occurred at readiness center, area for troops preparing to deploy. Also a police officer is down, shot at a post exchange on Battalion Ave."

Doesn't sounds good...

[JohnnyMack]

It's like you're channeling Russell right now...

[KC//CRIMSON]

It's like you're channeling Russell right now...


if it starts raining there this could get really good.....

[Collier11]

hope it doesnt end up worse than it sounds

[Petro-Sooner]

Man thats a sad deal!

[Collier11]

Now 9 ppl dead

[SoonerBorn68]

Just heard on the news the shooter was a soldier and was killed--there's two more suspects, also soldiers, being held.

[Sooner_Havok]

12 dead now...

[badger]

Nine from Oklahoma are stationed there (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20091105_12_0_hrimgs772940). Pray for everyone... :(

[Jello Biafra]

please dont let the shooter be from 1AD

[OklahomaTuba]

hmmm...

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan

Good Lord, dude was an officer..

[yermom]

someone here was saying one of the shooters was a Major

sounds like a really strange deal

like Tuba though, i was thinking this sounded like an attack kinda deal as well when i first heard it

EDIT: damn, i hadn't heard his name. geez.

[85Sooner]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Its about an hour from here and 2 other suspects are in custody.

[mikeelikee]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Practicing Muslim, I wonder?

[picasso]

So how did it end? Was he cut down? suicide? Terrible news.

I hope there's not more dead.

[85Sooner]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Practicing Muslim, I wonder?

Now Now that would be profiling :rolleyes:

[Boomer.....]

Horrible.

[okiewaker]

They say the shooter was upset for having been deployed. So why does he take out his own people? Horrible and strange.

[I Am Right]

Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Its about an hour from here and 2 other suspects are in custody.

Damn islamic terrorists---DON'T GIVE ME THIS SHI* ABOUT ISLAM BEING A RELIGON OF PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[I Am Right]

12 army men killed and 31 wounded. I wonder if we will condem this or not talk about mohommad because we don't want to offend. Well OFFEND THIS you islamic freaking terrorist. holding up my middle finger.

[picasso]

How about we wait and find out who did what and what happened first.

[I Am Right]

How about we wait and find out who did what and what happened first.

How about you read and listen to the news. Facts are Facts--DIRECTIONS--Remove head from sand and look around.

[okiewaker]

We don't know all the facts but seems to me AWOL or shoot myself in the leg if I didn't want to go to war. And, I wouldn't need two accomplices to do it either.

[I Am Right]

An officer in our military, a major, who is Islamic, upset about being deployed to Afganistan(sp) so he decided to destroy the lives of 43 soldiers families. Damn, Damn & Damn the islamic religion. My son could have been stationed there.
I am so pissed I can hardly type.

[soonerinkaty]

A recent convert to Islam, eh? I hope the media doesn't *****foot around and calls it like it is, Muslim bastard destroys fellow American's lives...

:( :( :mad:

[batonrougesooner]

Do we know for a fact he was muslim? Name does have a funny sound to it though.

[yermom]

if our military can't trust Arabs and/or Muslims they are in a lot of trouble

i mean, really

[picasso]

How about you read and listen to the news. Facts are Facts--DIRECTIONS--Remove head from sand and look around.

Kiss my arse man. I can read just fine.

[soonerinkaty]

Dude was a psychiatrist. How messed up is that.

[I Am Right]

Do we know for a fact he was muslim? Name does have a funny sound to it though.

yes we do know he is a convert.

[I Am Right]

Kiss my arse man. I can read just fine.

Hey dude, I am really upset, I am not kissing anything of yours. you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Just put me on ignore or whatever. islam still sucks.

[I Am Right]

Take that burka and stick it where the sun don't shine!

[Collier11]

The fact is that what you are spewing is not necessarily fact yet, it is your opinion. Until the facts come out or you can provide a link saying this was linked to terrorism, you are acting and speaking out of ignorance...

[SoonerProphet]

I don't know what is more disgusting, the act of violence itself or those who wish to score ideological style points in some kind of sick game of which brand of belief system is cooler than the other.

[soonerinkaty]

Okay so something doesnt exactly add up here...

Fox said shooter had 2 handguns. Don't handguns hold no more than 12 rounds? So thats 24 total.

11 dead (minus shooter) and 31 injured. Thats 42.

Huh?

[I Am Right]

The fact is that what you are spewing is not necessarily fact yet, it is your opinion. Until the facts come out or you can provide a link saying this was linked to terrorism, you are acting and speaking out of ignorance...

I am not ignorant I am UPSET. "Lets just all get along" " Moral equivalence" "Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

[badger]

The most recent updates I've heard say that there was not a known motive yet. The major was Muslim and an army psychiatrist in his 30s. No word on if "Malik Nadal Hasan" is the name he was born with or the name he adopted after converting to Islam.

I feel really bad for American Muslims out there. They were probably all praying that it wasn't one of their own that did this horrific attack.

[Jello Biafra]

reports have him graduating from university of damscus in syria...doesnt exactly SOUND like a convert.

[badger]

Okay so something doesnt exactly add up here...

Fox said shooter had 2 handguns. Don't handguns hold no more than 12 rounds? So thats 24 total.

11 dead (minus shooter) and 31 injured. Thats 42.

Huh?

I also heard that the shooter used two handguns, but I didn't do the math that you did. Keep in mind that there are two others in custody suspected of being accomplices, so there's the possibility that there were more shooters, more guns, more bullets, etc.

:(

[Sooner02]

Where has it been confirmed he was a Muslim?

[Scott D]

you are ignorant and upset, embrace it...you've been willing to embrace your ignorance for quite awhile.

[soonerinkaty]

Guys, can we stop attacking a fellow sooner for a moment?

Thoughts and Prayers with the families involved.

[yermom]

Okay so something doesnt exactly add up here...

Fox said shooter had 2 handguns. Don't handguns hold no more than 12 rounds? So thats 24 total.

11 dead (minus shooter) and 31 injured. Thats 42.

Huh?

a Glock 17 (9mm) holds 17 in the magazine from the factory.

[badger]

you are ignorant and upset, embrace it...you've been willing to embrace your ignorance for quite awhile.

I am not sure that is the most appropriate thing to say after some of the young men and women serving our country just got hurt and killed in their own country at a military post. :(

[SCOUT]

You can also reload in a couple of seconds.

[Harry Beanbag]

Okay so something doesnt exactly add up here...

Fox said shooter had 2 handguns. Don't handguns hold no more than 12 rounds? So thats 24 total.

11 dead (minus shooter) and 31 injured. Thats 42.

Huh?

I know of one pistol that will hold up to 19 rounds. And of course you can always take the extra 2 seconds and insert another fully loaded magazine.

Seems kind of strange he could do that much damage on an army base with only pistols though.

[Jello Biafra]

as a former soldier whos stood in a few of those lines, the chances are real good he was holding a 9 mil of the baretta type. where he got the second, i can only speculate but he may have simply walked up shot another soldier in the head and took his. when we deployed, we signed out the weapon complete with a full combat load of ammo. for the 9 mil, that would be 27 rounds. if he took anothers and his combat load, he would have had 54 rounds.


and yes, a combat load would have included 3 pre loaded clips.

[SoonerNate]

...but it's a peaceful religion

[soonerinkaty]

I just put together what info i could. I'm not that knowledgable about handguns.

[I Am Right]

I don't know what is more disgusting, the act of violence itself or those who wish to score ideological style points in some kind of sick game of which brand of belief system is cooler than the other.

Yeah, defend the indefensible. "Hitler had the moral right to kill 5 million people" "my favorate leader is Mao" I think last count 30 million killed.

[Collier11]

I am not ignorant I am UPSET. "Lets just all get along" " Moral equivalence" "Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

so you are excusing the fact that you are acting like a hate mongering tard by the fact that you are upset, classic

[I Am Right]

so you are excusing the fact that you are acting like a hate mongering tard by the fact that you are upset, classic

appeaser. You are sooooo much better than me.

[Collier11]

as a former soldier whos stood in a few of those lines, the chances are real good he was holding a 9 mil of the baretta type. where he got the second, i can only speculate but he may have simply walked up shot another soldier in the head and took his. when we deployed, we signed out the weapon complete with a full combat load of ammo. for the 9 mil, that would be 27 rounds. if he took anothers and his combat load, he would have had 54 rounds.


and yes, a combat load would have included 3 pre loaded clips.

The dept of defense loses billions of dollars a day, I would be surpised if they took better count of their weapons?

[I Am Right]

I don't know what is more disgusting, the act of violence itself or those who wish to score ideological style points in some kind of sick game of which brand of belief system is cooler than the other.

Don't ask me but I think the violence is more disgusting. Jeees

[Collier11]

appeaser. You are sooooo much better than me.

Im not claiming anything, all im saying is that it is a little harsh to condemn an entire religion because of one guy who may or may not have been a terrorist, even if he was, there is still no reason to condemn the whole lot of them

[SoonerNate]

He was a graduate from Virginia Tech. LMAO. What are they putting in the water up there?

[I Am Right]

you are ignorant and upset, embrace it...you've been willing to embrace your ignorance for quite awhile.

"sticks and stones by break my bones, but words", oh never mind.

[SoonerNate]

Im not claiming anything, all im saying is that it is a little harsh to condemn an entire religion because of one guy who may or may not have been a terrorist, even if he was, there is still no reason to condemn the whole lot of them

Oh for crying out loud. Where'd we get the limp wristed lib?

[I Am Right]

He was a graduate from Virginia Tech. LMAO. What are they putting in the water up there?

Washington DC Medical School.

[Collier11]

Oh for crying out loud. Where'd we get the limp wristed lib?

Now thats funny right there, my being a lib, heh!

[Scott D]

I am not sure that is the most appropriate thing to say after some of the young men and women serving our country just got hurt and killed in their own country at a military post. :(

And other things said by the person to whom it was directed were perfectly appropriate I assume?

[I Am Right]

Im not claiming anything, all im saying is that it is a little harsh to condemn an entire religion because of one guy who may or may not have been a terrorist, even if he was, there is still no reason to condemn the whole lot of them

lets see, 3000 killed on 911 in NYC. Me thinks I will condem the religion of peace.

[Collier11]

and you both keep proving yourselves to be a little dumb

[Scott D]

lets see, 3000 killed on 911 in NYC. Me thinks I will condem the religion of peace.

I bet you don't even know any muslims.

[sooner ngintunr]

I just put together what info i could. I'm not that knowledgable about handguns.

They make any kind of magazine for handguns, from 10 rd to 100 rd. As someone stated you can reload in less than a second. You are right that something doesn't add up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwXO-KTVxk

This is truly a tragedy. IMSO, there has got to be more to the story than a Major that just didn't want to get deployed.

This is very, very sad.

My battle buddy in Basic was a Muslim from Pakistan, loved the US so much that he joined the military. That really was his reason, LOL. Stereotypes and prejudices are hardly ever a good thing for society.

[SoonerNate]

The guy that blew himself up outside of Memorial Stadium, what was his religion again?

When will you all get it. Muslim = Evil.

[Collier11]

I wasnt sure it was possible to be that ignorant, you guys are blowing that belief out of the water

[I Am Right]

I bet you don't even know any muslims.

I know of a couple who just killed 12 and wounded 31. I think I heard of several who killed 3000 on 911. Do You know some?

[Scott D]

But others are right, the gravity of the situation is far higher than one's petty opinions regarding either individuals on this forum or condemnations of entire religions for the actions of the few.

[Scott D]

I know of a couple who just killed 12 and wounded 31. I think I heard of several who killed 3000 on 911. Do You know some?

I personally know some, unlike some here obviously. Hell, one of my roommates at OU was muslim.

[I Am Right]

The guy that blew himself up outside of Memorial Stadium, what was his religion again?

When will you all get it. Muslim = Evil.

You know, that is right, I heard of him also. Another one ScottD

[Collier11]

Yea, I bet you guys think all blacks are gangbangers, all whites are racist, all indians scalp people, and all asians eat cats and dogs...good grief, can these idiots please be given some time to themselves

[I Am Right]

Yea, I bet you guys think all blacks are gangbangers, all whites are racist, all indians scalp people, and all asians eat cats and dogs...good grief, can these idiots please be given some time to themselves

Whoa, Whoa, what does race have to do with it? Do you see others color of skin first. Man what sort of projection is this.

[soonerinkaty]

They make any kind of magazine for handguns, from 10 rd to 100 rd. As someone stated you can reload in less than a second. You are right that something doesn't add up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwXO-KTVxk

This is truly a tragedy. IMSO, there has got to be more to the story than a Major that just didn't want to get deployed.

This is very, very sad.

My battle buddy in Basic was a Muslim from Pakistan, loved the US so much that he joined the military. That really was his reason, LOL. Stereotypes and prejudices are hardly ever a good thing for society.

Totally off topic, but thats one badass gun!

Im interested to see what news comes out of Ft. Hood.

[soonerinkaty]

Guys quit your pissin' contest.

[okiewaker]

After watching the news just now. I'm glad I didn't jump to any conclusions. He grew up and went to high school and college in Virginia. Was ridiculed because of his ethnicity. I guess he got fed up with it. Still horrible.

[Sooner_Havok]

Great, have to tell my Muslim friends to watch out for themselves, again...

****ing great.

[I Am Right]

After seeing the shooters picture, he is one crazy islamic terrorist. Question- how did he talk another into killing? Oh I know, the religion of peace

[sooner ngintunr]

Totally off topic, but thats one badass gun!

Im interested to see what news comes out of Ft. Hood.

And I'm sure highly illegal as it was also a machine gun.

I agree. I'll be following this tragedy closely. It seems to be very, very strange circumstances. He had to have at least 10 years in, IIRC. He was a Doctor as well? WTF?!! Mind boggling.

[okiewaker]

They released the other two guys.

[yermom]

And I'm sure highly illegal as it was also a machine gun.

I agree. I'll be following this tragedy closely. It seems to be very, very strange circumstances. He had to have at least 10 years in, IIRC. He was a Doctor as well? WTF?!! Mind boggling.

a ****ing psychiatrist

and Christians really shouldn't throw stones with all this "Religion of Peace" ****

some of you are really showing your asses

[JohnnyMack]

This place rules.

[okiewaker]

His cousin, or whomever, said he didn't like to even shoot guns yet he managed to shoot a bunch of people with two handguns. What, did he have a gun in each hand? Certainly, after shooting just a couple of rounds, GI,s would have reacted and took some kind of charge. This is weird.

[SoonerProphet]

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

or something like that.

[I Am Right]

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

or something like that.

No, "don't argue with an idiot, because people won't be able to tell the difference"

[soonerscuba]

No, "don't argue with an idiot, because people won't be able to tell the difference"Dude, you'll think better of yourself tomorrow if you take a break.

[SoonerNate]

What must they put in the water at Virginia Tech? LMAO

[batonrougesooner]

The fragging in Kuwait just before the Iraq war began was committed by a Muslim soldier.

The killing at the Army recruiting office in Arkansas was committed by a Muslim.

The killing today was committed by a Muslim.

All those planes that were crashed on 9/11 were piloted by Muslims.

The fact that they were Muslims is not just an interesting coincidence.

This is the elephant in the room that shouldn't be ignored.

Religion of peace my ***.

[JLEW1818]

horrible news

[KABOOKIE]

http://www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/wwcod/image8-2.gif

[Okla-homey]

If you want to do something constructive about this, there are three things that come to mind:

1) Go give blood.

2) Donate to Army Community Services. 1-866-836-2751

3) Pray for these families. All of them. Including that of the shooter(s).

Other than that, let's wait 'til they get this all sorted out down there before we jump to any conclusions. I served several years in and around Army units. They'll handle it appropriately. Period.

[A Sooner in Texas]

I talked with a lady earlier whose son-in-law works on the base; her daughter had not heard from him when I spoke with her. She's pretty sure her SIL works in the area where the shootings took place. Hope all of you will add your prayers to mine for his health and wellbeing.
Thinking of those soldiers who were wounded and killed, and their families, is more important than jumping to any conclusions about motive, religion, etc.

[sooner ngintunr]

a ****ing psychiatrist


some of you are really showing your asses

Oh, so now someone with an MD isn't a Doctor? Got it.:rolleyes:

some of you are really showing your asses

[yermom]

i'm not disagreeing

a psychiatrist going nuts and killing people just seems extra crazy

[okiewaker]

The shooter heard all the horrible stories from soldiers who came back from overseas who suffered from PTSD. I guess it was too much for him to handle.

[sooner ngintunr]

i'm not disagreeing

a psychiatrist going nuts and killing people just seems extra crazy

Yeah, thats what I'm thinking. A mind Doctor losing his mind!! Thats why I commented that he was a Doctor, makes it stranger IMSO.

Sorry, I thought you were saying that I was showing my *** for sayin the guy was a Doctor..:D

[okiewaker]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[okiewaker]

What? Twist. Nah!!!!!!!!

[okiewaker]

Shooter is still alive!!!!!!!!

[I Am Right]

The islamic terrorist lives.

[I Am Right]

If I was to harsh in my comments, I take this time to appologise to all Christians, Jews.

[JohnnyMack]

I, an atheist, am deeply offended.

[I Am Right]

Lets see, President Kennedy, killed by a communist, Bobby Kennedy, killed by a socialist, Martin Luther King, killed by an avowed leftest. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[I Am Right]

I, an atheist, am deeply offended.

sorry Johnny missed you.

[sooner ngintunr]

wtf?? the military is lying about this shiit already? this is getting waay weird.

[okiewaker]

news agency just said "rag head". That's just wrong

[JLEW1818]

freedom of speech! hehe

i mean technically they do wear "rags" on their heads


;) ;)

[starclassic tama]

I know of a couple who just killed 12 and wounded 31. I think I heard of several who killed 3000 on 911. Do You know some?

do you know how many people christians have killed throughout history? does that mean christians = evil?

[JLEW1818]

lame

[starclassic tama]

lame but true. every religion/group of people has idiots. to define a entire group by the actions of those idiots is stupid, collier is right on the money here

[JLEW1818]

no crap Christians kill people

but Christians don't fly planes through buildings thinking they will be rewarded by their god either

[starclassic tama]

oh okay, so it's not whether or not you kill people, but the method in which you do it. MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW!

and i'm pretty sure during the crusades, people thought god was going to reward them for killing people.

[JLEW1818]

well actually I'd say the method they used on 911 was a pretty big deal

only the biggest tragedy on American soil

[LosAngelesSooner]

way to miss the point

[okiewaker]

Yep!

[starclassic tama]

well durrrr. collier's point (and mine) is simple, stop trying to make it complicated. EVERY GROUP OF PEOPLE HAS BAD PEOPLE THAT DO BAD THINGS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ENTIRE GROUP IS BAD.

[okiewaker]

I almost think there wouldn't be a war if it weren't for religion.

[JLEW1818]

i was never talking about the "point"

all i said was lame

yes i know Christians kill people

killing is bad in general

I'm not labeling anybody, i was just pointing out that part of the 9/11 motive had to do with Religion

[JLEW1818]

I almost think there wouldn't be a war if it weren't for religion.

probably so

but without religion there would be no life. :D

[picasso]

well durrrr. collier's point (and mine) is simple, stop trying to make it complicated. EVERY GROUP OF PEOPLE HAS BAD PEOPLE THAT DO BAD THINGS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ENTIRE GROUP IS BAD.

well if we're going back to the middle ages just about every group of folks were killing each other.

Let's stick to the now since that's where most of us are at.;)

I'm not ready to throw this guy under the bus because of his religion. He could just be crazy.

[KC//CRIMSON]

I am not ignorant I am UPSET. "Lets just all get along" " Moral equivalence" "Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

Oh make no mistake, you're clearly ignorant.

[okiewaker]

well if we're going back to the middle ages just about every group of folks were killing each other.

Let's stick to the now since that's where most of us are at.;)

I'm not ready to throw this guy under the bus because of his religion. He could just be crazy.

If it was because of his religion, throw his @ss under the bus!!!! :)

[VeeJay]

The gunman lives; 72 virgins put on hold.

Prayers for the soldiers and their families.

[JLEW1818]

hell, Hitler claimed he was a type of Christian

like somebody said earlier

some people are just crazy

[picasso]

hell, Hitler claimed he was a type of Christian

like somebody said earlier

some people are just crazy

Claiming and actually living it are completely different. Hitler strung up Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

[KC//CRIMSON]

If I was to harsh in my comments, I take this time to appologise to all Christians, Jews.

Will someone please enlighten this road scholar to the history of Christians and Jews.

kplzthnks.

[Soonerus]

At this point who knows what the shooter's real motives were...

[JLEW1818]

Jesus was a jew.. so how could he be a christian?:D :D :D

[VeeJay]

Somebody just threw Mr. Rhodes under the bus.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

Better die a thousand deaths than submit to live under you or your Government and your negro allies!

-- General John Bell Hood, for whom Fort Hood is named, in a letter to General Sherman of the United States Forces.


http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%253Atext%253A2001.05.0056%253Acha pter%253D14

[SicEmBaylor]

My cousin is a Colonel on the base commander's staff. He's fine and wasn't around when it happened, but he said the base commander was immediately secured in a bunker or something when it happened. I thought that was kind of odd, but I guess that's normal procedure these days. It's just hard to imagine a base commander being manhandled into a bunker to hide.

[SoonerBorn68]

Will someone please enlighten this road scholar to the history of Christians and Jews.

kplzthnks.

Road scholar?

[GottaHavePride]

I think he meant Rhodes Scholar.



And there's so much idiocy in this thread I don't even know where to start. Chill out, all y'all. Don't make me lock this one up.

[Soonerus]

protecting KC's mistakes...

[47straight]

I categorize him in the anti-war crowd.

[Petro-Sooner]

I categorize him in the anti-war crowd.

Yep.

A soldier that is anti-war. Why would you sign up? They give you a gun for a reason.

[StoopTroup]

I'm a Super Highway Scholar with a Cloverleaf in teh middle...

[Okla-homey]

My cousin is a Colonel on the base commander's staff. He's fine and wasn't around when it happened, but he said the base commander was immediately secured in a bunker or something when it happened. I thought that was kind of odd, but I guess that's normal procedure these days. It's just hard to imagine a base commander being manhandled into a bunker to hide.

When something bad happens on an installation, the leadership convenes in a secure location to work the problem. Not to hide, but to get everyone in the same place who needs to be involved. Cops, engineering, medical, fire, operations, communications, legal, public affairs, chaplain, etc. all send designated reps to that location, who are then in position to advise the commander in real-time based on information coming in from the scene. Its really quite efficient.

[Jello Biafra]

general cone reports that some heard nasal yell "allah akbhar" before he started shooting.

[StoopTroup]

I think it might be time for SicEm to enlist.

SicEm=Melowned

[SoonerBorn68]

Will someone please enlighten this road scholar to the history of Christians and Jews.

kplzthnks.

OMG, KC ran away from this thread fast...

[Condescending Sooner]

When you say anything about islamic terrorists, some idiot immediately brings up the crusades. It happens every time. How long ago was that again?

[Collier11]

twenty hundred years?





















:D

[yermom]

When you say anything about islamic terrorists, some idiot immediately brings up the crusades. It happens every time. How long ago was that again?

how about BTK?

"Christian Serial Killer Finally Caught in Kansas"

[SoonerPixie]

I think they should keep this shooter alive and if he comes to get as much information from him as possible. Then lets the 30-31 survivors shoot him at the same time. I know it will never happen, but hey it is worth the thought.

Talked to a friend that is overseas. He told me he would have taken out the guy in one shot. Gotta love those infantry soldiers that are trained to kill

[yermom]

hell, i'm glad the ****er is still alive

he might be able to answer some questions this way

of course, determining if he is fit for trial/execution, etc... ought to be interesting. i guess that is probably different for the military though

[Jello Biafra]

well durrrr. collier's point (and mine) is simple, stop trying to make it complicated. EVERY GROUP OF PEOPLE HAS BAD PEOPLE THAT DO BAD THINGS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT ENTIRE GROUP IS BAD.

you guys are phucking idiots...do you not understand what has just happened? there is some very serious thought going into the investigation that this could have been a terrorist plot. INSIDE A PHUCKING ARMY BASE.
there are more weapons per capita inside that base than compton on a saturday night cruise.

wonder why noone has had an explanation for those 2 that had been questioned and aprehended and then "released" its as simple as this. if i were to drive to the gate in a van all i would have to do is show my military ID all the while, there are 4 terrorsits with multiple weapons etc in the back.

things are not meshing right now....now the FBI is involved. CID and civilian police were on the scene during the shooting...

this is getting 9/11 like. testing the waters. if they can hit a phucking military base on american soil...

[Jello Biafra]

hell, i'm glad the ****er is still alive

he might be able to answer some questions this way

of course, determining if he is fit for trial/execution, etc... ought to be interesting. i guess that is probably different for the military though

o yah...court marshall is definatley in his future if he isnt assasinated first.

[Collier11]

If this is terrorism related (which it does look like) and it happened inside an American military base(which it did) that worries me, alot!

[yermom]

if i was going to plant a soldier in the US military, i don't think i'd waste all the time to get to Major to go out with two handguns

maybe i just think too big...

[Jello Biafra]

if i was going to plant a soldier in the US military, i don't think i'd waste all the time to get to Major to go out with two handguns

maybe i just think too big...

nono...not that he was simply recruited and planted ealry on, he may have JUST gotten involved similar to the hand grenade attack in IRAQ a few years back.

cid keeps tabs on everyone internally, id bet this cat has a file too...i know i do.

[Collier11]

if i was going to plant a soldier in the US military, i don't think i'd waste all the time to get to Major to go out with two handguns

maybe i just think too big...

Even if he wasnt planted and it wasnt pre-meditated but he just snapped, it worries me that we now live in a world where this stuff is happening in our military

[yermom]

people can snap. people in the military are people. they just have access to more guns and training...

crazy people are bad, i think we can all agree with that

[yermom]

if you are going to distrust all Muslims what are we supposed to do in Iraq, or Pakistan/Afghanistan? we are handing guns and worse to Muslims over there every day

[Collier11]

I mean snapped and did this on behalf of terrorism or his religion, but yes it still happens all the time and isnt good

[Jello Biafra]

people can snap. people in the military are people. they just have access to more guns and training...

crazy people are bad, i think we can all agree with that

the thing that disturbs me about this guy is the fact that HE was suppose to be the one who goes to command and says "private snuffy smith is not suitable for combat. he has too many jacked up things in his head and my profesional opinion is, he should be gone from military service"

but who was doing his evaluation?

[StoopTroup]

I think it's still a bit early in this to make comments. The good thing IMO is that the Major is still alive. Hopefully they will be able to get some answers from him.

[Jello Biafra]

I mean snapped and did this on behalf of terrorism or his religion, but yes it still happens all the time and isnt good

i saw Dr Phil on last night and he was hammering a jag officer about calling out the shooter but it could have been as simple as there was no other way that nasal was getting out of deploying and he knew that all these people in this big building were going to be over there shooting at people of his religion.

[StoopTroup]

Was Larry King alive last night or was that Jeff Dunham working levers?

[JohnnyMack]

So this guy was born in the U.S. to parents of Jordanian decent. He attended Va Tech then went on to receive his medical training at the U.S. Army Med School. He was stationed at Walter Reed until I believe this June or July at which point he received some sort of poor performance review (don't know what caused that) and was transferred to Ft. Hood and was then told he was to be deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. Somewhere along the line in all this he apparently developed some sort of difficulty in reconciling his duty as a United States soldier and his Muslim faith.

What I personally don't believe is that we'll find out that this guy was any sort of sleeper cell or a plant by a terrorist organization. The attack he carried out yesterday seems to have been the actions of someone who had simply had enough and unfortunately decided that this was his way out. His actions seem sloppy and uncoordinated, almost out of control. Hardly any sort of sophisticated or even semi-sophisticated attack by a terror cell operating within the confines of U.S. military base.

[I Am Right]

if you are going to distrust all Muslims what are we supposed to do in Iraq, or Pakistan/Afghanistan? we are handing guns and worse to Muslims over there every day

No, not going to distrust muslims, I know what they are-----a religion of peace.

[Jello Biafra]

Was Larry King alive last night or was that Jeff Dunham working levers?

larry king

[OklahomaTuba]

Yeah, sounds more and more like one F'd up guy.

[Jello Biafra]

Hardly any sort of sophisticated or even semi-sophisticated attack by a terror cell operating within the confines of U.S. military base.

johnny, i agree to an extent, but, with this type of activity, it usually comes out that he had an aquaintance that he talked to that agreed with his thought process,took his side and simply said "do something about it" and now they are standing back and watching what the government and the us military are doing about it.

however, i bet we find NOTHING about his connections or dealings with the muslim world. period. the only people that WILL know is of course, the friends and the gubment.

If this is the case, i can only hope we take the steps to correct this. there are simply softer targets out there that you and my family memebers go to and if they can get into places like this, who knows whats next.

[Jello Biafra]

three new sad pieces come to light....


Lt. General Cone claims nasal carried out the shooting in a calm manner.

he claims many witnesses heard him shout Allahu Akbahr arabic for "god is great" before starting the shooting

says that there is a good possibility that there were several friendly fire injuries and possible deaths involved in efforts to stop the gunman.

[KC//CRIMSON]

OMG, KC ran away from this thread fast...

That's cause I had to go meat your wife. Get it? Meat instead of meet?

Woo Hoo! Sick burn on you, sugar tits!

[Collier11]

says that there is a good possibility that there were several friendly fire injuries and possible deaths involved in efforts to stop the gunman.

If this is true, does that mean that the efforts to take him out were done in chaos as opposed to being able to organize anything? Obviously it was a chaotic situation but what I mean is were people just grabbing their weapons and going after him without orders?

[Condescending Sooner]

how about BTK?

"Christian Serial Killer Finally Caught in Kansas"

Did he kill those people in the name of his religion?

Stupid comparison.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Did he kill those people in the name of his religion?

Stupid comparison.

How about we compare it with Christians blowing up abortion clinics?

[Jello Biafra]

If this is true, does that mean that the efforts to take him out were done in chaos as opposed to being able to organize anything? Obviously it was a chaotic situation but what I mean is were people just grabbing their weapons and going after him without orders?

more than likely...thats the bad thing with being in a deployment center like that. when we were on high alert, EVERYONE is carrying a weapon. everyone.

[JohnnyMack]

johnny, i agree to an extent, but, with this type of activity, it usually comes out that he had an aquaintance that he talked to that agreed with his thought process,took his side and simply said "do something about it" and now they are standing back and watching what the government and the us military are doing about it.

however, i bet we find NOTHING about his connections or dealings with the muslim world. period. the only people that WILL know is of course, the friends and the gubment.

If this is the case, i can only hope we take the steps to correct this. there are simply softer targets out there that you and my family memebers go to and if they can get into places like this, who knows whats next.

I've already heard that they have found online postings of his that talk about his frustrations with his situation, so again I don't think we're looking at some massive cover up. I think we're dealing with someone who chose his religion over his country. Why he did that no one knows for sure. The simple game of connect the dots is that he associated himself with persons/writings closely related to a radical side of Islam and that drove him or helped push him over an edge that none of us knows how steep it truly was.

[Pricetag]

There can't be a better illustration that college kids packing would not end school shootings.

[soonerscuba]

There is more coming out about him, classic profile for this type of thing: problem with women, smart, introverted, massive grudge against superiors.

[Scott D]

Chris Rock put it best


Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a **** what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can't be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?

[JLEW1818]

either way the guy deserves to be burned

[Collier11]

he should be forced to be locked in a room with CK :D

[picasso]

Chris Rock put it best

Yeah there's crazy but there's also things that influence good ole crazy. Catcher in the Rye anybody?

[Condescending Sooner]

How about we compare it with Christians blowing up abortion clinics?


All all the thousands that have been killed, please. True Christians know murder is wrong.

[UTgolfer]

For those in the DFW area the local chapter of American Red Cross is in desperate need of O negative blood. Seems their supply was sent to Ft. Hood. Lot of donors today but if that is your type they will send you to the front of the line.

[UTgolfer]

For those in the DFW area the local chapter of American Red Cross is in desperate need of O negative blood. Seems their supply was sent to Ft. Hood. Lot of donors today of all blood types but if that is your type they will send you to the front of the line.

[KC//CRIMSON]

All all the thousands that have been killed, please. True Christians know murder is wrong.


All religions have radicals, not just one religion as much as you'd like to think.

[JLEW1818]

Osama is pretty damn radical

[tommieharris91]

Osama is pretty damn radical

True, but he ain't the only one.

[Jello Biafra]

moment of silence 1:34 pm

[47straight]

How about we compare it with Christians blowing up abortion clinics?



Sure. "The left" blames all pro-lifers when an abortion doctor is attacked. Then the left pre-emptively complains that all muslims are blamed when something is done in the name of Islam.

[47straight]

All religions have radicals, not just one religion as much as you'd like to think.

Don't forget the atheists, they have their radicals who kill too.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Sure. "The left" blames all pro-lifers when an abortion doctor is attacked. Then the left pre-emptively complains that all muslims are blamed when something is done in the name of Islam.

You're not speaking for me, I would never stereotype an entire group. Neither would most educated level headed people.

[Condescending Sooner]

You're not speaking for me, I would never stereotype an entire group. Neither would most educated level headed people.

You brought up the abortion clinic, so you must be assuming it was christians. You must not be level headed or educated.

[I Am Right]

You're not speaking for me, I would never stereotype an entire group. Neither would most educated level headed people.

I'm educated, level headed and islam is NOT a religion of peace.

[SoonerBorn68]

You brought up the abortion clinic, so you must be assuming it was christians. You must not be level headed or educated.

By God, he's a road scholar!

[C&CDean]

I'm educated, level headed and islam is NOT a religion of peace.

Dude, we heard you the last 450 ****ing times, OK?

I don't trust a muslim as far as I can drop kick him. There I said it. Once.

Your continuous spittle-spraying rant is wearing me slick. We get it. Do us all a favor now and STFU about it.

[KC//CRIMSON]

You brought up the abortion clinic, so you must be assuming it was christians. You must not be level headed or educated.

The guy who killed Tiller was with the Christian anti-abortion group called Operation Rescue.

Here's one of his writings....

Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.


And I'm still not saying all Christians are terrorists.


Come back when you want to be schooled again, clown.

[SoonerTony]

Don't forget the atheists, they have their radicals who kill too.

Name the last time an atheist went on a killing spree?

[SoonerBorn68]

1939.

[SoonerTony]

1939.

If you are speaking of the Nazi regime they were not atheist.

[jaux]

While extremely tragic, all this is just a case of a bald sniveler who couldn't get laid.

[Frozen Sooner]

Name the last time an atheist went on a killing spree?

As you've pointed out, the Nazis were not atheists and Hitler spoke out against atheism quite frequently.

However, Timothy McVeigh was an atheist, though it'd be pretty hard to argue that his atheism was what led to the Murrah building bombing versus being an ultra-right-wing nutjob.

[JohnnyMack]

As you've pointed out, the Nazis were not atheists and Hitler spoke out against atheism quite frequently.

However, Timothy McVeigh was an atheist, though it'd be pretty hard to argue that his atheism was what led to the Murrah building bombing versus being an ultra-right-wing nutjob.

I've always said that I'll accept that Atheists are responsible for Stalin's Purges as soon as Baptists take responsibility for fire bombing Tokyo and dropping nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[okiewaker]

Seen a partial list of the victims. One was from Frederick Oklahoma and graduated from Tipton High in 2005.

[MojoRisen]

Profiling needs to take place, why are radical muslim's mass murders. Muslims need to take on some leadership here as well in great numbers to avoid being stereo typed. Let's face it and I am not afraid to say it, radical Muslims need to be hung skinned or just round up and nuked. Something needs to be done and the peaceful muslims should step up in my opinion or at least help profile why Radicals of there religion think it is OK to cause terror and comit mass murders in the name of their god.

[SoonerBorn68]

Baptists, Catholics, Hindus, Mormons, athiests etc., etc., were responsible for the nukes.

[MojoRisen]

True, but we only used it once :) - they want them for fun!

[KC//CRIMSON]

Profiling needs to take place, why are radical muslim's mass murders. Muslims need to take on some leadership here as well in great numbers to avoid being stereo typed. Let's face it and I am not afraid to say it, radical Muslims need to be hung skinned or just round up and nuked. Something needs to be done and the peaceful muslims should step up in my opinion or at least help profile why Radicals of there religion think it is OK to cause terror and comit mass murders in the name of their god.

How about we just stop with the ethnocentrism first. Extremism is the threat, not Muslim or Christian.

[Scott D]

Yeah there's crazy but there's also things that influence good ole crazy. Catcher in the Rye anybody?

Oh no doubt there are things that influence it. However, at some point it became un-pc to just say that someone was crazy. It used to be someone snapped and went crazy..now they go postal. People used to get locked up because they were crazy..now they've got (insert mental disorder here).

Two things are going to happen in the end in this matter.

1. this guy will be getting executed under the UCMJ.

2. the Army is going to be under scrutiny as to why this guy wasn't relieved of duty long before this incident happened.

[JohnnyMack]

How about we just stop with the ethnocentrism first. Extremism is the threat, not Muslim or Christian.

The question no one wants to address is the "why" we have extremists.

Which leads me right into Looming Tower thread that none of you smacktards have participated in. :bsmf:

[Scott D]

I figured it was a thread about you coming out about your love of yarn and knitting quilts.

[Scott D]

Profiling needs to take place, why are radical muslim's mass murders. Muslims need to take on some leadership here as well in great numbers to avoid being stereo typed. Let's face it and I am not afraid to say it, radical Muslims need to be hung skinned or just round up and nuked. Something needs to be done and the peaceful muslims should step up in my opinion or at least help profile why Radicals of there religion think it is OK to cause terror and comit mass murders in the name of their god.

ok where do we start? France? Russia? Egypt? Zaire? Philippines?


“There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white."

every single person in the description in that quote was Muslim.

[KC//CRIMSON]

The question no one wants to address is the "why" we have extremists.

Which leads me right into Looming Tower thread that none of you smacktards have participated in. :bsmf:

I'm still reading The Things They Carried and Musicophilia.

Will report back.

[MojoRisen]

ok where do we start? France? Russia? Egypt? Zaire? Philippines?



every single person in the description in that quote was Muslim.


How about we start with Muslims who consider themselves Americans - this guy was posting some crazy shiate on the internet 6 months prior to this that had the FBI looking into him.

Muslims and Christians had been fighting for 1000 years - at least our Pope apologized, their leaders are extremist. I think if we don't start identifying people quicker - this is going to get ugly..

[Pricetag]

Our Pope?

[Jello Biafra]

just an opinion but makes you think. big time.



http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGRhYzk5ZDk5N2UyMTgyMDBkYWI1MmJlNWI2MTMxZDA=

[LosAngelesSooner]

As you've pointed out, the Nazis were not atheists and Hitler spoke out against atheism quite frequently.

However, Timothy McVeigh was an atheist, though it'd be pretty hard to argue that his atheism was what led to the Murrah building bombing versus being an ultra-right-wing nutjob.Strange, I read that McVeigh was heavily influenced by his "Christian" beliefs and referred to himself as a "soldier of God."

btw...just 'cause that sick evil murdering doosh "said" he was Christian, doesn't make him Christian in my eyes or anyone else's. FWIW

[bonkuba]

Baptists, Catholics, Hindus, Mormons, athiests etc., etc., were responsible for the nukes.

Thank goodness :D

[MojoRisen]

Our Pope?

John Paul the catholic Pope of 75 Million American catholics- didn't mean to call you catholic. What./s up with all the sensitivity -

Face it, Radical Muslim are stiring shiate up and peaceful muslims need to condem it in greater numbers or be considered questionable for becoming radical anytime something doesn't go there way in life and whacking people in great numbers.

The Brit's are also sick of their overly Liberal Government letting Muslims burn their flag.... here at least they would go straight to Jail.

[JLEW1818]

Strange, I read that McVeigh was heavily influenced by his "Christian" beliefs and referred to himself as a "soldier of God."

btw...just 'cause that sick evil murdering doosh "said" he was Christian, doesn't make him Christian in my eyes or anyone else's. FWIW

Your best post

[Condescending Sooner]

Strange, I read that McVeigh was heavily influenced by his "Christian" beliefs and referred to himself as a "soldier of God."

btw...just 'cause that sick evil murdering doosh "said" he was Christian, doesn't make him Christian in my eyes or anyone else's. FWIW

Actually McVeigh described himself as being agnostic.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Your best postThanks. :)

Now I think the point that Collier11 and the rest are making is that even though those evil, murdering, scumbag, soon-to-be-rotting-in-Hell dooshbag Muslims consider themselves "Muslims" and refer to themselves as "soldiers of God," that doesn't mean that they are REAL Muslims.

So you can't condemn an entire religion, be it Christianity or Islam or Judaism, based on the actions of some extreme *******s who've misinterpreted the messages that their great prophets gave them.

(and I think I've done better posts than that one, by the way. ;))

[Condescending Sooner]

The guy who killed Tiller was with the Christian anti-abortion group called Operation Rescue.

Here's one of his writings....

Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.


And I'm still not saying all Christians are terrorists.


Come back when you want to be schooled again, clown.

The next time you school me will be the first, clown.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Actually McVeigh described himself as being agnostic.
Possibly.

I don't care enough about that sick **** to really put any research or energy into knowing more about him.

But, for clarity's sake, "Agnostic" does not mean "Athiest." Agnostics can still believe in God, they just believe that it is impossible to know Him or what His message is and goals are.

[KC//CRIMSON]

The next time you school me will be the first, clown.

Pimping you is easy, too easy.

[47straight]

You're not speaking for me, I would never stereotype an entire group. Neither would most educated level headed people.

That's why I used "the left." Surely you don't need me to post links to editorials, journal articles, cartoons, bloggers who did so.

[Condescending Sooner]

Pimping you is easy, too easy.

The only thing you know about pimpin is when your fat *** has to find one to get laid.

[JohnnyMack]

OOOOOhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Buuuurrrnnn!!!!!!

[47straight]

Name the last time an atheist went on a killing spree?

Chinese government, present day.

[KC//CRIMSON]

OOOOOhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Buuuurrrnnn!!!!!!


I'm crushed. Steven Quincy Urkel has won.

*sniff*

[MR2-Sooner86]

There are a whole lot of stupid ***holes in this thread and on both sides. American soldiers have died and you stupid political mother ****ers want to start slinging mud. SHUT UP! Not only now are they in danger overseas, they might not be safe in the bases. This is a problem people.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong on this but I believe this was a sleeper cell. People don't want to believe it even though it's on the wall. This guy yelled out "God is great!" like many terrorist do, he was a Muslim, there are reports that he went to terrorist web sites, and had extremist ideas. The evidence I keep reading about seems to point out that this guy sympathized with extreme Muslims. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck then.....

Now people may ask, "why?" Why did they use just one guy and let him become a major? It scares us. We don't want to believe an extremist could enlist in the military, be promoted throughout the rankings, and turn out to be the enemy. We don't want to believe that this could happen in America, on a military base, and by the enemy we're fighting right under our noses. Look, one man killed over 10 people yesterday, shut down a military base, and sent this country into a frenzy. One man did all of that.

Ok remember in the movie Red Dawn the Air Force pilot talked about Cubans taking out bases in the South so the invasion would go easier? Now, I'm not saying we'll be invaded but think about it. The police, SWAT teams, and everybody in the area was focusing on this one man and up in a frenzy. Imagine if there was two or three and they were running around with not just guns but had grenades and blew up a couple of buildings and got fires started.

Alright, we got one base in lock down and chaos is happening because a nut is running around. Ok, lets say this is planned and we have army bases all over Texas getting sabotaged. What will happen? The cops, SWAT, firemen, and everybody will rush to these bases to try stop this, like yesterday.

Here's where the finally comes in. Imagine 9/11 if the police and firemen weren't there. Imagine 9/11 with the military is disarray because several key bases are on lockdown and being sabotaged.

What if yesterday there was 5-10 men running around the base and the police from Austin had to go help? Austin's police force is stretched thin so another group of men start blowing up buildings in downtown Austin, suicide attack the governor's mansion, start a shooting spree around UT, and other acts.

What if this was to cripple us in the war? Our security in bases will be tightened up and will need more men. Where will we get these men? Take them away from Iraq and Afghanistan and bring them home?

[Octavian]

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a devout Muslim who was trying to buy his way out of the Army, was suspected of being the author of postings which compared suicide bombers to heroic soldiers who throw themselves onto grenades to save others.


Six months ago the FBI was alerted to postings by a blogger called Nidal Hasan on the Scribd website. The author wrote about a US soldier who had died smothering a grenade blast, saying: "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.


"If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory."


Witnesses said Hasan shouted "Allahu akbar", Arabic for God is great, as he opened fire – a phrase commonly used by Islamic militant suicide bombers – though investigators said there was no evidence he had been recruited by al-Qaeda or other Islamic extremist organisations.


full article: FBI alerted to Hasan's extremism 6 months ago (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6516302/Fort-Hood-shootings-FBI-given-gunmans-name-six-months-ago.html)

[KC//CRIMSON]

There are a whole lot of stupid ***holes in this thread and on both sides. American soldiers have died and you stupid political mother ****ers want to start slinging mud. SHUT UP! Not only now are they in danger overseas, they might not be safe in the bases. This is a problem people.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong on this but I believe this was a sleeper cell. People don't want to believe it even though it's on the wall. This guy yelled out "God is great!" like many terrorist do, he was a Muslim, there are reports that he went to terrorist web sites, and had extremist ideas. The evidence I keep reading about seems to point out that this guy sympathized with extreme Muslims. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck then.....

Now people may ask, "why?" Why did they use just one guy and let him become a major? It scares us. We don't want to believe an extremist could enlist in the military, be promoted throughout the rankings, and turn out to be the enemy. We don't want to believe that this could happen in America, on a military base, and by the enemy we're fighting right under our noses. Look, one man killed over 10 people yesterday, shut down a military base, and sent this country into a frenzy. One man did all of that.

Ok remember in the movie Red Dawn the Air Force pilot talked about Cubans taking out bases in the South so the invasion would go easier? Now, I'm not saying we'll be invaded but think about it. The police, SWAT teams, and everybody in the area was focusing on this one man and up in a frenzy. Imagine if there was two or three and they were running around with not just guns but had grenades and blew up a couple of buildings and got fires started.

You're like C. Thomas Howell - I'm a member of an elite paramilitary organization, the Eagle Scouts!

[JLEW1818]

killers are bad

they come in all colors and religions

the end

lock

[KC//CRIMSON]

full article: FBI alerted to Hasan's extremism 6 months ago (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6516302/Fort-Hood-shootings-FBI-given-gunmans-name-six-months-ago.html)

Hmmm. I don't know of too many terrorists that would want to buy their way out of anything. Think we're going to find out this guy just snapped for whatever reason. You never know though...

[Octavian]

Hmmm. I don't know of too many terrorists that would want to buy their way out of anything. Think we're going to find out this guy just snapped for whatever reason. You never know though...


for whatever reason?


yes he snapped...somewhere around the time he screamed "Allah Akbar" and starting murdering people


the "reason" isn't hiding anywhere

[Scott D]

How about we start with Muslims who consider themselves Americans - this guy was posting some crazy shiate on the internet 6 months prior to this that had the FBI looking into him.

Muslims and Christians had been fighting for 1000 years - at least our Pope apologized, their leaders are extremist. I think if we don't start identifying people quicker - this is going to get ugly..

I'll be sure to let some people that I've worked with for years know that you want to profile them. Would you also like them to report to interment camps?

Some people are able to reconcile the differences between their religion and laws where they live. Some people can't, it's a natural human fallacy to be honest.

But you go right on ahead thinking that blatant profiling short of rounding people up and shoving them into camps is the answer.

[KC//CRIMSON]

for whatever reason?


yes he snapped...somewhere around the time he screamed "Allah Akbar" and starting murdering people


the "reason" isn't hiding anywhere

Oh? Okay.

[Octavian]

Oh? Okay.


are you being facetious or agreeing?


it's difficult to tell because the motive is obvious

[Okla-homey]

How about we just stop with the ethnocentrism first. Extremism is the threat, not Muslim or Christian.

I agree.

I would add only this. Based only on my personal experience, thus this is anecdotal, I found it very frustrating that folks throughout Southwest Asia will look you right in the eye and lie to you. I've been advised, although I haven't independently verified it, they have a codicil of their faith that allows speaking falsely to non-believers. An exception of course to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic scriptural requirement to tell the truth. Somehow, I find that's the most unsettling thing about dealing with those folks. But that's just me.

I guess the other thing, is the fundamental tenet of that peculiar brand of Wahhabist Islam centered in Saudi that calls for the establishment of a world-wide theocracy, at the point of a sword.

See the Saudi flag, which prominently features, in arabic of course, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is His Prophet" over a sword. It['s true, you can look it up. They simply don't do seperation of church and state. It's antithetical to everything they beleive.

[okiewaker]

I think the dude said, "well, if theyre gonna ridicule me for my belief's then i will efff them up". He finally broke after years of being ridiculed. So, really he didn't kill because of his religious belief's, he killed because of someone else's. IMO. I know, we don't know all the facts.

[Harry Beanbag]

Oh? Okay.

Your best post.

[KC//CRIMSON]

are you being facetious or agreeing?


it's difficult to tell because the motive is obvious

I'm not agreeing.

I'll wait until a full official report comes out. Eyewitness memory and testimony is often very inaccurate. For example, how many people/inaccurate accounts at the scene, on television and other communication outlets swore up and down how many people were killed? How many gunmen there were? That the gunman was definitely dead? Answer? A lot.

You can look up info on the internet and in just about any Psychology book and see that eyewitness testimony is highly subject to error, and that it should always be viewed with extreme caution.

He could have been yelling Fruit Loops and Cheerios! for all we know.

It still doesn't make sense to me that this so called terrorist was trying to buy his way out of the Army?

[Harry Beanbag]

I think the dude said, "well, if theyre gonna ridicule me for my belief's then i will efff them up". He finally broke after years of being ridiculed. So, really he didn't kill because of his religious belief's, he killed because of someone else's. IMO. I know, we don't know all the facts.


This is a bull**** excuse. **** him.

I also have a difficult time believing that a physician and Major in the U. S. Army would be subject to that much personal ridicule. If he was Corporal Muslim Dooshbag, then yeah, I could see that, but he wasn't.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Your best post.

It's been a long time, Dopey. How's your wife and my kids?

[Okla-homey]

I think the dude said, "well, if theyre gonna ridicule me for my belief's then i will efff them up". He finally broke after years of being ridiculed. So, really he didn't kill because of his religious belief's, he killed because of someone else's. IMO. I know, we don't know all the facts.

Okay. Here's the deal. This guy tooled around Ft Hood in traditional garb in his off-duty time. I've seen the videos. His right? Sure. But look, I'm half Scots and half German. Just like HM Queen Elizabeth II. Now, if I be-bopped around base in lederhosen or a kilt, you can bet I would have taken some razzing from my peers.

Thus, I'm not buying in to this notion he was driven to this horrible act of violence because meanies teased him about being a Muslim. Afterall, he was a major in the US Army. Guess what? That puts him within the top 5% of leadership at the world's largest military installation. Therefore, the only people who could get away with teasing him were his peers and superiors. Not the other 95% of the base population.

You know what I think, just based on what's come out? He was a radical Muslim, who took his country's offer of a free medical education (med school, residency and internship), wore his country's cloth and ate at its table, but decided he could no longer square his radical mindset with his professional obligations, and decided to go out in a blaze of glory. Period. And if that's what it turns out to be? **** on 'em. I just regret we'll have to spend a lot of money treating his paralyzed and blind carcass for the next decade or so until he dies of medical complications.

[Harry Beanbag]

It's been a long time, Dopey. How's your wife and my kids?

Not your best post. Typical and pathetic, but average at most.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Not your best. Typical and pathetic, but average at most.

That's gotta be really emasculating for you, coming from your wife every other night.

[okiewaker]

Okay. Here's the deal. This guy tooled around Ft Hood in traditional garb in his off-duty time. I've seen the videos. His right? Sure. But look, I'm half Scots and half German. Just like HM Queen Elizabeth II. Now, if I be-bopped around base in lederhosen or a kilt, you can bet I would have taken some razzing from my peers.

Thus, I'm not buying in to this notion he was driven to this horrible act of violence because meanies teased him about being a Muslim. Afterall, he was a major in the US Army. Guess what? That puts him within the top 5% of leadership at the world's largest military installation. Therefore, the only people who could get away with teasing him were his peers and superiors. Not the other 95% of the base population.

You know what I think, just based on what's come out? He was a radical Muslim, who took his country's offer of a free medical education (med school, residency and internship), wore his country's cloth and ate at its table, but decided he could no longer square his radical mindset with his professional obligations, and decided to go out in a blaze of glory. Period. And if that's what it turns out to be? **** on 'em. I just regret we'll have to spend a lot of money treating his paralyzed and blind carcass for the next decade or so until he dies of medical complications.


You could be right. IDK. I just gave my opinion. Some folks, i guess feel good, about screwing with other folks because of their religion, looks, etc,.

[JLEW1818]

I'd still like to drink with you KC

[KC//CRIMSON]

Anytime, son. Anytime.

[Collier11]

Jlew drinks alot

[Octavian]

I'm not agreeing.

I'll wait until a full official report comes out. Eyewitness memory and testimony is often very inaccurate. For example, how many people/inaccurate accounts at the scene, on television and other communication outlets swore up and down how many people were killed? How many gunmen there were? That the gunman was definitely dead? Answer? A lot.

You can look up info on the internet and in just about any Psychology book and see that eyewitness testimony is highly subject to error, and that it should always be viewed with extreme caution.

He could have been yelling Fruit Loops and Cheerios! for all we know.

It still doesn't make sense to me that this so called terrorist was trying to buy his way out of the Army?



well ok. eye witness can be shady and memory accounts are even less reliable the further time goes on.


but so far, what would lead us to believe that this Muslim --someone who is known to have posted radical, anti-American views on the internet and is reported to have shouted Islamist slogans before opening fire -- would lead you to believe that this wasn't motivated by his Islamic religious views? why such a rush to defend his motivations and attack others?


and will you condemn him and call it what it is if all these accounts and reports are verified? I'm curious.


b/c it's quite a leap from saying what you've said up to this point....and then making this statement:



I think the dude said, "well, if theyre gonna ridicule me for my belief's then i will efff them up". He finally broke after years of being ridiculed. So, really he didn't kill because of his religious belief's, he killed because of someone else's. IMO. I know, we don't know all the facts.


and there it is in all its glory...even when the motivations are his religious beliefs....it's really not his fault. it's ours -- at least by proxy. he was ridiculed. he was teased and mocked. nevermind the radical islamist sentiments. he was teased after all. move along.


it takes a lot to produce something that pathetic....


but...there it is.

[Octavian]

that is, unless my sarcasm meter is broken again -- which I hope it is


in which case, my preemptive apologies