Whaddaya Mean Obama Hasn't Done Anything?

[KC//CRIMSON]

Whaddaya Mean Obama Hasn't Done Anything?

A blow-by-blow breakdown of the young president's first year reveals that today's frustration stems not from a lack of policy so much as a lack of common ground. The myth of the American center looms in this, the second part of a week-long series on our country since the 2008 election.

I have figured out The Problem With America Today. My inspiration was the recent one-year-later cover of Newsweek, which encapsulates the current conventional wisdom about President Obama in a single headline: YES HE CAN (BUT HE SURE HASN'T YET). Or, as Saturday Night Live put it, President Obama's two biggest accomplishments thus far are "Jack and Squat." You can find other versions of this perspective from Matt Lauer and David Gregory on NBC, from thousands of obnoxious bloggers, even from the hapless governor of New York.

These days, the argument that Obama hasn't accomplished anything may be the only example of real bipartisanship in America.

Here's the conventional wisdom in a single paragraph: Three hundred and sixty-four days after he was elected president, Obama is still stuck in Iraq, hasn't closed Guantánamo, is getting deeper into Afghanistan, hasn't accomplished health-care reform or slowed the rise in unemployment. His promises of bipartisanship are a punch line (see above). And there's still no peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. What a failure! What a splash of cold water in the face of all our bold hopes!

But the conventional wisdom is insane. Consider the record:

A week before he was sworn in, Obama jammed part two of the bank bailout down the throat of his own party — a $350 billion accomplishment.

Two days after he was sworn in, Obama banned the use of "harsh interrogation" and ordered the closing of Guantánamo.

A day later, Obama reversed George W. Bush's funding cutoff to overseas family planning organizations — saving millions of lives with the stroke of a pen.

Three days after that, Obama gave a green light to the California car-emissions standards that Bush had been blocking for six years — an important step on the road to cleaner air and a cooler planet.

Two weeks after that, Obama signed the stimulus bill — a $787 billion accomplishment.

Ten days after that, Obama formally announced America's withdrawal from Iraq.

A week later — we're in early March now — Obama erased Bush's decision to restrict federal funding for stem-cell research.

In April and June, Obama forced Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy.

In June, Obama reset the tone of our relations with the entire Arab world with a single speech — an accomplishment that the Bush administration failed to achieve despite a series of desperate PR moves (anyone remember Charlotte Beers?) and a "public diplomacy" budget of $1 billion a year.

Also in June, Obama unveiled the "Cash for Clunkers" program, a "socialist" giveaway that reanimated the corpse of our car industry — leading, for example, to the billion-dollar profit that Ford announced on Monday.

I haven't even mentioned Sonia Sotomayor, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the order to release the torture memos, Obama's push for charter schools, his $288 billion tax cut, or the end of Bush's war on medical marijuana. Or the minor fact that he seems to have — with Bush's help, it must be said — stopped the financial collapse, revived the credit markets, and nudged the economy toward 3.5 percent growth in the last quarter.

Oh, and one more thing: President Obama is now a month or two from accomplishing the awesome and seemingly impossible task that eluded mighty presidents like FDR, LBJ, and WJC — health-care reform.

Obama's early returns also include a host of remarkably cautious and prudent national-security decisions that seem, these days, to have been completely forgotten:

Appointing a conservative Bush holdover like Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.

Appointing an establishment centrist like Leon Panetta at CIA.

Appointing a hard-*** like Stanley McChrystal to head up our military forces in Afghanistan, despite McChrystal's dubious involvement in torture and the cover-up of Pat Tillman's death.

Increasing the number of drone attacks on Al Qaeda — more in the last year than all the Bush years combined.

Reinstating, with tweaks, Bush's military tribunal system for Guantánamo prisoners.

Fighting, in another unexpected defense of a controversial Bush policy, lawsuits against the "warrantless wiretapping" program — as recently as this weekend with a decision that a leading civil liberties group called "extremely disappointing."

Sending, way back in February, seventeen thousand more soldiers to Afghanistan. As Fareed Zakaira recently pointed out, this was just three thousand fewer soldiers than Bush sent to Iraq for his famous "surge."

Noticing a pattern yet? The first half of Obama's accomplishments above is mostly liberal stuff. The bottom half is all pretty dang conservative. Which brings us to The Problem With America Today: Blame it on the Internet, on partisan politics, on the economic crash, on the legacy of war or Fox News or Michael Moore, but our vital center is getting stiff — and it is starting to stink.

Liberals are upset because Obama didn't shut down Guantánamo or stop the wiretapping program or end all wars or support gay marriage and kill Don't Ask Don't Tell. Conservatives are pissed off because they hate health-care reform, family planning, ending any war at all, organic gardening at the White House, and government in general.

What's worse, both sides are so angry and righteous that they can't even begin to give credit where it is due. When was the last time you heard a conservative cheer about that $288 billion tax cut? Or credit Obama for the centrism it took to appoint McChrystal, Panetta, and Gates? And how many liberals choose to be understanding about the practical difficulties of shutting down Guantánamo, achieving equal rights for gays, or tapping Al Qaeda's phones?

And where, on either side, can you find a scrap of humility about the staggeringly complex challenge of Afghanistan and Pakistan? Or a scrap of gratitude at having escaped global financial doom?

So the question, a year since we elected him, isn't how much Obama has accomplished. The question is why we've turned so small and mean that we only see half of it — the half we happen to agree with.

By John H. Richardson


"Obama ran an amazing campaign, and I hope he makes us all successful as he has been in his historic campaign.

God bless America and our new President.-OklahomaTuba"

[GottaHavePride]

That's a good read.

Clearly it's far too reasonable to fly with the crowd around here. :D

[picasso]

And he wants to do even more. Just think if they could get their hands on everything and nationalize it! Talk a about a cluster ****.

I think the blue dog Democrats are going to fight back.

[picasso]

I'm going to go by what appointees are saying rather than the sly Obama.

I keep hearing how the free market is a joke and how has capitalism been to you?

[KC//CRIMSON]

That's a good read.

Clearly it's far too reasonable to fly with the crowd around here. :D


+1 and unfortunately you're probably right.

[TMcGee86]

a $787 billion accomplishment.

Heh. Well, that's one way to put it I guess.

This article should be used in a textbook on spin.

[yermom]

yeah, i was wondering about the use of "accomplishment" there myself :D

[GottaHavePride]

Hey, I heard on Fox News just this morning that over $500 billion of it hasn't even been spent yet.

[GottaHavePride]

It'd be nice if they'd throw about $15 million of that to the City of Wichita to repair some damn streets. They've been shortchanging the maintenance budget up there for years...

[OklahomaTuba]

Tripling the national debt has to be in there somewhere. That appears to be the man's legacy at this point.

And the resulting collapse of the Dollar and economy.

[Chuck Bao]

That's a well written piece. Thanks for posting it, KC//Crimson. Spek

I just wish more people would see these facts.

I know a little about one accomplishment - averting global financial meltdown - and that's a pretty big one in my opinion. I remember back in February that Thai banks were sending out a daily blacklist of many large US and European banks. In effect, Thai exporters could no longer accept payment for goods on accounts of those big international banks that had previously financed a large portion of global trade. Exports from Asia dropped 30%, then 40% and then 50%. That is too damn close to the precipice. Almost all banks in the developed and developing world would have failed if the financial meltdown had not been averted.

Those of you complaining about the costs of the guarantees and bail-outs should think about the total costs if confidence had not been restored. We were already well into this crisis when the Obama administration took office.

Those of you complaining about the government taking over private industry, please consider the fact that the Obama administration allowed failed banks to be swallowed up by bigger private banks with government guarantees making the transaction possible with taxpayers taking all losses and sharing none of the potential upside. The priority obviously was to continue operations and service to clients as fast and efficient as possible and, thereby, averting a most likely global economic meltdown. I would rather see the government take control, inject capital and confidence, ride out the current storm and then sell off the equity for a profit.

Here is a question? What are you crazy right-wing nut jobs so afraid of nationalization? A future Republican administration, which you apparently think will be inevitable, can just as easily sell those companies right back to the market and maybe make a handsome profit under more favorable economic environment.

I really don’t like the “too big to fail” idea. And, there were some pretty sweet deals handed out to cronies of…of…I even hate to say his name.

Although I don’t completely agree with how the whole deal was handled for a reason that is polar opposite from most of you, I still would say it is a significant accomplishment.

[soonerscuba]

Hey, I heard on Fox News just this morning that over $500 billion of it hasn't even been spent yet.I disagree. (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/congress_approves_500_billion_for)

[StoopTroup]

Who is Mean Obama? A cousin perhaps?

[OklahomaTuba]

Lets not forget that Dear Leader has also "created or saved" 600,000 or so jobs (most government jobs BTW), at about $350,000 per job.

all the while losing 3.5 Million jobs, and driving the unemployment rate to double digits.

That's some change you can believe in right there!!

[KC//CRIMSON]

Who is Mean Obama? A cousin perhaps?

Tuba's alter ego....

[JohnnyMack]

1. The "growth" in the economy is bull****. Out and out bull****. Remove the government spending (cash for clunkers, 8k homebuyer credit and the stimulus money) and our economy's growth is closer to nil. Read this: http://www.newsweek.com/id/220402

2. The healthcare reform is a giant pile of dog****. It's a nasty overreach on the part of our government that is based on numbers that will NEVER come close to reality. The 900 billion dollar figure Obama mandated won't be sniffed. The cuts called for in Medicare won't happen. No matter how many different bills they chop it into to disguise its true cost nothing about it will lower the cost of healthcare in this country.

3. I'm glad we're taking a pragmatic approach to our withdrawal from Iraq and applaud Obama for that.

4. I hope that he doesn't send more troops into Afghanistan and begins our withdrawal as well. Predator drones, B-52s, special forces and intel can keep Al Qaida in check. What we don't need is a colonial approach to one of earth's most inhospitable regions.

Overall I'll give him a C- at this point. I don't think much of his handling of the economy. But in all fairness our economy was so ****ed before he ever got elected that not much he could do would amount to much more than arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[TMcGee86]

1. The "growth" in the economy is bull****. Out and out bull****. Remove the government spending (cash for clunkers, 8k homebuyer credit and the stimulus money) and our economy's growth is closer to nil. Read this: http://www.newsweek.com/id/220402

2. The healthcare reform is a giant pile of dog****. It's a nasty overreach on the part of our government that is based on numbers that will NEVER come close to reality. The 900 billion dollar figure Obama mandated won't be sniffed. The cuts called for in Medicare won't happen. No matter how many different bills they chop it into to disguise its true cost nothing about it will lower the cost of healthcare in this country.

3. I'm glad we're taking a pragmatic approach to our withdrawal from Iraq and applaud Obama for that.

4. I hope that he doesn't send more troops into Afghanistan and begins our withdrawal as well. Predator drones, B-52s, special forces and intel can keep Al Qaida in check. What we don't need is a colonial approach to one of earth's most inhospitable regions.

Overall I'll give him a C- at this point. I don't think much of his handling of the economy. But in all fairness our economy was so ****ed before he ever got elected that not much he could do would amount to much more than arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Totally agree with everything you just said.

The only one I might differ on is #3, I think I would actually respect him more if he would have held true to his word and withdrew everyone within the year. Not sure it would have been the right move, but I just dont buy the argument that it would have lead to anything all that bad.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I can't wait for Health Care Reform to be passed, save tons of lives, end up working and then totally diffuse the ultra-right wing rage (or refocus it on the next Beck-boogieman).

Just like so many other "reasons to panic" that we've seen recently, once this one goes through...and the world doesn't end and death panels don't come about...all the hububb will die down.

And many new people will be getting health care. Finally.

[Curly Bill]

I can't wait for Health Care Reform to be passed, save tons of lives, end up working and then totally diffuse the ultra-right wing rage (or refocus it on the next Beck-boogieman).

Just like so many other "reasons to panic" that we've seen recently, once this one goes through...and the world doesn't end and death panels don't come about...all the hububb will die down.

And many new people will be getting health care. Finally.


...and the rest of us poor saps get to help pay for that. Oh joy! :rolleyes:

[LosAngelesSooner]

...and the rest of us poor saps get to help pay for that. Oh joy! :rolleyes:Yeah. Just like you pay for my police...my fire department...and already pay for all the poor people's overpriced health care when they go to the Emergency Room.

But yeah...screw the poor people. They don't need to be treated by doctors. Jesus would tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, too. ;)

[Curly Bill]

Yeah. Just like you pay for my police...my fire department...and already pay for all the poor people's overpriced health care when they go to the Emergency Room.

But yeah...screw the poor people. They don't need to be treated by doctors. Jesus would tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, too. ;)

Police, fire departments, and the like are public services.

Poor folks having health care is not. So yeah, if they can't afford it screw'em! :D

[LosAngelesSooner]

It would be a social service if the government ran it.

So your argument is very weak. Very weak. ;)

[JohnnyMack]

LAS those services are state/local level services and not the responsibility of the federal Govt.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Federal...Local...Gubmint is Gubmint. Taxes payin' for something was his point.

Anyway, how about these:

Interstate highway service
Military
I.C.E.
F.B.I.
C.I.A.

all government run.

I could go on...

;)

[JohnnyMack]

And how anyone can call themself a conservative and endorse what the Ds are proposing is entirely too contrarian for me to wrap my head around.

[Tailwind]

Oh, was that article serious? I thought it was sarcasm at it's finest.

[LosAngelesSooner]

And how anyone can call themself a Christian and oppose what the Ds are proposing is entirely too contrarian for me to wrap my head around.Fixed. ;)

[KABOOKIE]

Who uses these services?

Interstate highway service
Military
I.C.E.
F.B.I.
C.I.A.


Oh yeah, EVERYONE. Obamacare is going to be paid for by those not using it.

[Harry Beanbag]

The Military, ICE, FBI, and CIA are not government services.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Who uses these services?

Interstate highway service
Military
I.C.E.
F.B.I.
C.I.A.


Oh yeah, EVERYONE. Obamacare is going to be paid for by those not using it.
^^^ (stalker alert)

[LosAngelesSooner]

The Military, ICE, FBI, and CIA are not government services.Right.

I forgot.

They're FREEEEEEE!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/15/larrymiller_3.jpg

[JohnnyMack]

Fixed. ;)

Yeah I'm not that.

[Harry Beanbag]

Right.

I forgot.

They're FREEEEEEE!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/15/larrymiller_3.jpg


Who said that? :confused:

[LosAngelesSooner]

Yeah I'm not that.Fair enough.

But it also answers your question.

[JohnnyMack]

Fair enough.

But it also answers your question.

?

Have you been eating paint chips?

[LosAngelesSooner]

No.

And it still answers your question.

[JohnnyMack]

No.

And it still answers your question.

A silly little neo-con of an answer if ever there was one. Amusing that you attempt to rail against their ideology yet here you are promoting their agenda.

[Sooner_Havok]

Who uses these services?

Interstate highway service
Military
I.C.E.
F.B.I.
C.I.A.


Oh yeah, EVERYONE. Obamacare is going to be paid for by those not using it.

Frankly, I don't use any of those, except the interstates. I do try to avoid them as much as possible. Don't recall ever calling the FBI or the CIA. May have called ICE once when I was working at Bennigens...

But yeah, anyways...

[LosAngelesSooner]

A silly little neo-con of an answer if ever there was one. Amusing that you attempt to rail against their ideology yet here you are promoting their agenda.
post reported

;)

[KABOOKIE]

^^^ (stalker alert)

That's right. Knew you wouldn't come up with anything better.

[LosAngelesSooner]

^^^

Stiiiiiiiiillllll STALKIN'!

:D

[KABOOKIE]

And you haven't stopped.

[Sooner_Havok]

Point

[PDXsooner]

i have to admit, obama is doing a great job. as much as i dislike the democratic party, i'll support obama for his entire presidency. we are lucky to have him right now in spite of the anti-americanism that is occurring on the far-right nowadays...

[Fraggle145]

LAS and KABOOKIE need to get a room. :D

[Fraggle145]

Oh yeah... I forgot this

http://aspextrme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pown3d.jpg

[LosAngelesSooner]

And you haven't stopped.
Yet who follows whom around and cannot resist responding to anything he posts or any thread he starts?

Yes, Kabookistalker...that would be you.

Now...be a good stalker and keep letting me control you. ;)

:D

[PDXsooner]

i love thinking about how much it pains these right-wing nutjobs to wake up every day in a country that is led by obama. like i've said before, obama could get the palestinians and jews to BBQ together, have kim jong il dismantle all his nukes, have ahmedehnijad surrender his army, and cure all earthly diseases and these clowns would attack him for not stopping the expansion of the universe (oh wait, the universe isn't expanding, god created it in 7 days -- never mind).

instead of sticking their head in the sand they watch fox news -- same difference i guess.

[OklahomaTuba]

i love thinking about how much it pains these right-wing nutjobs to wake up every day in a country that is led by obama. Given the latest poll showing Obama at 46% approval (down from 78% just 9 months ago), it would seem that the "right-wing nut jobs" aren't the only one's Obama is inflicting his pain on.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Given the latest poll showing Obama at 46% approval (down from 78% just 9 months ago), it would seem that the "right-wing nut jobs" aren't the only one's Obama is inflicting his pain on.

I swear, you would sell your own mother for a cheeseburger. Where is this imaginary/delusional 46%?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

[85Sooner]

It would be a social service if the government ran it.

So your argument is very weak. Very weak. ;)

If you ever worked in the healthcare field you would realize how silly and wrong your argument is. Sorry

[Harry Beanbag]

I swear, you would sell your own mother for a cheeseburger. Where is this imaginary/delusional 46%?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Maybe he meant disapproval, because he was close with that.

[OklahomaTuba]

I swear, you would sell your own mother for a cheeseburger. Where is this imaginary/delusional 46%?The innerwebs hard for you, isn't it???


Scott Rasmussen, whose poll measures likely voters and is an especially good indicator of public attitudes, now has Obama’s job approval dropping to 46%. Zogby, the other good poll, has him at 45%. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/56859-obama-down-to-46-in-rasmussen-poll-

[KC//CRIMSON]

The innerwebs hard for you, isn't it???

And reading comprehension is extremely difficult for you....

Obama down to 46 percent in Rasmussen poll
By Dick Morris - 08/31/09 12:56 PM ET

If you would have bothered to pull your head out long enough to look at your monitor, you would have realized the RCP poll includes the latest Rasmussen poll. Not the Tuba Dated one back in August.

[OklahomaTuba]

And reading comprehension is extremely difficult for you....

Obama down to 46 percent in Rasmussen poll
By Dick Morris - 08/31/09 12:56 PM ET

If you would have bothered to pull your head out long enough to look at your monitor, you would have realized the RCP poll includes the latest Rasmussen poll. Not the Tuba Dated one back in August.
Opps, wrong date. But the story is the same..
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/november_2009/obama_total_approval_november_3_2009/262652-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_november_3_2009.jpg

[KC//CRIMSON]

I'd like to think most people would go with an average of several different popular polls than just one, but hey that's just me.

ps. you so lucked out on that number being 46 on the Rasmussen scale today, and you know it.

[OklahomaTuba]

I'd like to think most people would go with an average of several different popular polls than just one, but hey that's just me.

ps. you so lucked out on that number being 46 on the Rasmussen scale today, and you know it.Except Rasmussen is the best poll out there, hands down.

And the reason I said 46% to begin with is because I had already read it. But frankly, the 46% isn't the scary part. The STRONGLY OPPOSED segment is racing to be on par with his total approval rating. Just 10 months in and he is already toast, and he will lose congress next year.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Except Rasmussen is the best poll out there, hands down.

Every time I see Scott Rasmussen giving interviews on Faux News that argument goes out the window. Bye! Bye!

[Bourbon St Sooner]

That's a well written piece. Thanks for posting it, KC//Crimson. Spek

I just wish more people would see these facts.

I know a little about one accomplishment - averting global financial meltdown - and that's a pretty big one in my opinion. I remember back in February that Thai banks were sending out a daily blacklist of many large US and European banks. In effect, Thai exporters could no longer accept payment for goods on accounts of those big international banks that had previously financed a large portion of global trade. Exports from Asia dropped 30%, then 40% and then 50%. That is too damn close to the precipice. Almost all banks in the developed and developing world would have failed if the financial meltdown had not been averted.

Those of you complaining about the costs of the guarantees and bail-outs should think about the total costs if confidence had not been restored. We were already well into this crisis when the Obama administration took office.

Those of you complaining about the government taking over private industry, please consider the fact that the Obama administration allowed failed banks to be swallowed up by bigger private banks with government guarantees making the transaction possible with taxpayers taking all losses and sharing none of the potential upside. The priority obviously was to continue operations and service to clients as fast and efficient as possible and, thereby, averting a most likely global economic meltdown. I would rather see the government take control, inject capital and confidence, ride out the current storm and then sell off the equity for a profit.

Here is a question? What are you crazy right-wing nut jobs so afraid of nationalization? A future Republican administration, which you apparently think will be inevitable, can just as easily sell those companies right back to the market and maybe make a handsome profit under more favorable economic environment.

I really don’t like the “too big to fail” idea. And, there were some pretty sweet deals handed out to cronies of…of…I even hate to say his name.

Although I don’t completely agree with how the whole deal was handled for a reason that is polar opposite from most of you, I still would say it is a significant accomplishment.


Yeah, it was a good thing we didn't let the people who created this disaster fail, so you traders can continue collecting your multi million $ bonuses.

[OklahomaTuba]

Well since he was the one who most accurately called the 2008 election and the races this week, its no wonder no one bothers watching the other "news" channels anymore.

I just read the CNN isn't even a top 30 or 40 cable station anymore. Their down there somewhere with MSNBC & gameshow network.

You know its bad when a show that airs at 2:00 AM has more viewers than the other networks do in primetime.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Fixed. ;)

You have a very simplistic view of the world.

[I Am Right]

Obama has not done SHI*----blame the latest attack at Ft Hood on his policies.

[soonerscuba]

Obama has not done SHI*----blame the latest attack at Ft Hood on his policies.It's cool to be cool. Might I suggest taking a break from posting for a while.

[Sooner_Havok]

Obama has not done SHI*----blame the latest attack at Ft Hood on his policies.

Good job, let's use a ****ing tragedy to try and score some ****ing political points. You know what, I'm out.

[I Am Right]

See ya.

[LosAngelesSooner]

You have a very simplistic view of the world.
Ah...if only that were true.

Sometimes I feel that my attempts to demonstrate the gray areas on issues are more of a headache than they are worth. It gives me a headache when I try to explain the nuances of many issues to people.

So, yeah...I only WISH I had a very simplistic view of the world (like the entire far right seems to have nowadays). It would make my life easier.

[sooner ngintunr]

Ah...if only that were true.

Sometimes I feel that my attempts to demonstrate the gray areas on issues are more of a headache than they are worth. It gives me a headache when I try to explain the nuances of many issues to people.

So, yeah...I only WISH I had a very simplistic view of the world (like the entire far right seems to have nowadays). It would make my life easier.

you're either with us or against us.

as soon as I figure who "us" is, I'll let you know.:D

gray area? pffttt.

[LosAngelesSooner]

If you ever worked in the healthcare field you would realize how silly and wrong your argument is. Sorry
Ah. You're basing this on...what? The LAST time our health care industry had a government option? :rolleyes:

Heh. Yeah...MY argument is "silly and wrong." :D

[PDXsooner]

tell me what Obama's approval rating is in October of 2012. that's when it matters. of course people are unhappy. it takes more than 9 months to fix a country that the previous administration literally ruined.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Obama has not done SHI*----blame the latest attack at Ft Hood on his policies.

http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/11/3/17/obamas-secret-message-for-fox-news-11757-1257287938-27.jpg

[OklahomaTuba]

Can't say obamanomics isn't doing anything...

http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif

[My Opinion Matters]

Have you ever thought of restoring an old motorcycle or something, Tuba? Your hobby/obsession is disturbing.

[OklahomaTuba]

Why waste my time with a stupid *** hobby when I can watch the greatest political implosion in modern history???

[Fraggle145]

Why waste my time with a stupid *** hobby when I can watch the greatest political implosion in modern history???

And rub one out to it at the same time!!

[StoopTroup]

Why waste my time with a stupid *** hobby when I can watch the greatest political implosion in modern history???

Did Cheney do another interview?

[PDXsooner]

OBAMA!!!

[OklahomaTuba]

Did Cheney do another interview?You know, its interesting. It seems every time Cheney talks, Obama drops about 5 points in the polls.

[soonerscuba]

Have you ever thought of restoring an old motorcycle or something, Tuba? Your hobby/obsession is disturbing.He wanted people that were against the Iraq war charged with treason. Just ignore him, he won't go away, but it's not as if you are missing out on anything insightful or even entertaining.

[PDXsooner]

He wanted people that were against the Iraq war charged with treason. Just ignore him, he won't go away, but it's not as if you are missing out on anything insightful or even entertaining.

it's what happens to a human being when they shut their mind off to reality. it's the first stages of going absolutely insane.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Originally Posted by OklahomaTuba
Why waste my time with a stupid *** hobby when I can watch the greatest political implosion in modern history???


And rub one out to it at the same time!!


Remember that scene in 300 where Gerard Butler's character spears an elephant in slow-motion? That's all I'm saying.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Why waste my time with a stupid *** hobby when I can watch the greatest political implosion in modern history???
Bush is out of office. Show's over.