That Northwest flight that overflew the Minneapolis airport

[Penguin]

Pretty crazy stuff. I'm just wondering why fighter jets weren't launched just to check things out?

[royalfan5]

One article I read said it was discussed but the plane wasn't off course enough yet at the time to warrant it yet.

[olevetonahill]

Shoulda Fired a Burst thru the windshield to Wake em the **** up:eek:

[VeeJay]

Shoulda Fired a Burst thru the windshield to Wake em the **** up:eek:

Or at least splattered 'em with a Hellfire missile paintball!

[OUHOMER]

I think them pilots are in deep doo- doo

[SoonerLaw09]

They say they weren't asleep, and weren't arguing over anything...and they won't say what they were doing that distracted them from landing the freakin' plane.

My suspicion is teh butt secks.

[stoopified]

I'm thinking the pilots had a couple of flight attendants in the ****-pit for a little MILE HIGH party.Just me but that would explain over shooting the airport and failing to answer THIRTEEN radio calls.

[StoopTroup]

What I wonder is....will they need to reimburse the Airline for the expended Jet A Fuel once they all sit down and discuss why they over flew the destination?

I'm sure they know they have questions to answer and in my experience with Pilots...they surely sat in the Plane for awhile and discussed just how they were going to explain it. I'm sure you'll never know the real story unless it was mechanical and they didn't want the Public to know initially what happened.

Those folks have a lot of pressure on them right now....lol

[VeeJay]

What about the family members at Minn. airport waiting to greet their loved ones.

Announcement comes over the PA system that the plane has kept going.

Poor bastuds prolly felt like they were getting passed over by a cruise ship on the horizon, like on Gilligan's island.

[StoopTroup]

Think they clinched?

[SoonerLaw09]

Heh. The filter filtered out ****-pit. :D

It's possible that there was a navigational failure or something serious that the airline doesn't want made public, so the pilots are keeping their mouth shut so as to keep their jobs.

But I think the mile-high club explanation is more likely.

[ELP Sooner]

They were still tuned to Denver Center? No radio contact with anyone for 80 minutes? Good that an FA who noticed they were overdue and called the pilots to find out what was going on.

[Turd_Ferguson]

They were still tuned to Denver Center? No radio contact with anyone for 80 minutes? Good that an FA who noticed they were overdue and called the pilots to find out what was going on.They'd still be flying:confused: CVR's will tell on'm. I'm betting it's another "underpaid and overworked" dealio.

[VeeJay]

They were still tuned to Denver Center? No radio contact with anyone for 80 minutes? Good that an FA who noticed they were overdue and called the pilots to find out what was going on.

80 minutes?? How many hits of Viagra did they take to pull that off?

[ELP Sooner]

Apparently CVR will not tell us in this case. I read somewhere that the CVR on this plane only saves the last 30 minutes of chatter. I don't see how this will be "underpaid/overworked" these guys are flying mainline for a major carrier. This isn't mesa airlines flying a crj-200 as "U.S. Air Express".

[Turd_Ferguson]

What type was it? I've looked but didn't see it.

Edit: Nevermind...A320

[ELP Sooner]

What do you think TF? I have to think it's sleeping. Even if they are homo's doing the whatever they would still be able to see the numerous ACARS messages from company even if they turned off the radios.

[Turd_Ferguson]

What do you think TF? I have to think it's sleeping. Even if they are homo's doing the whatever they would still be able to see the numerous ACARS messages from company even if they turned off the radios.Might never know...I just read that even if the a/c had the newer CVR that will keep recording of the last 2 hours, the pilot can erase the tapes at the gate after setting the parking brake and it's not an uncommon practice for them to do so.

[OUHOMER]

80 minutes?? How many hits of Viagra did they take to pull that off?

well, 1 assume, i know i take a half of one and go all night - duh, A whole one is all weekend deal for me. ;)

[Penguin]

They fell asleep. Either way, their careers are over.

Just compare them to their peers. If a Greyhound bus driver fell asleep, or lost "situational awareness" and didn't stop at his final stop of the day, he would be fired, drug tested, and ticketed/arrested.

[StoopTroup]

They could always say the ACARS was out of paper. :D

[SoonerLaw09]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_northwest_flight_overflown

Okay, now their story is, "we were working on our laptops." Anyone buy this explanation? :texan:

[StoopTroup]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_northwest_flight_overflown

Okay, now their story is, "we were working on our laps." Anyone buy this explanation? :texan:


Sounds plausable to me.

[Breadburner]

Pretty crazy stuff. I'm just wondering why fighter jets weren't launched just to check things out?

The FAA did not notify the military until it was almost over.....

[stoopified]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_northwest_flight_overflown

Okay, now their story is, "we were working on our laptops." Anyone buy this explanation? :texan:I have called mine a lot of things but never laptop. :D

[batonrougesooner]

I have called mine a lot of things but never laptop. :D

your gay lover?

[olevetonahill]

well, 1 assume, i know i take a half of one and go all night - duh, A whole one is all weekend deal for me. ;)

Really ?
I take 5 and Make it 2 minutes :mad:

[OUHOMER]

so which story is worse, fell asleep, bopping the flight attendants, or playing the computer?

i would think playing on the computer would be the least offensive. Also the less likely

[olevetonahill]

The FAA revoked their License's today

[Penguin]

I flew in a jumpseat of an A-320 many years ago. The thing that stood out to me is that there is no yoke. It's flown by a joystick next to the seat.

So, there's plenty of room for some happy lappy fun!

[Penguin]

http://www.ftc-euroflight.de/english/About_us/A320-Cockpit.jpg

[Turd_Ferguson]

************************************************** **********
...................... NTSB ADVISORY
************************************************** **********
.
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
.
October 26, 2009
************************************************** **********
.
NTSB ISSUES UPDATE ON ITS INVESTIGATION OF FLIGHT 188 THAT
OVERFLEW INTENDED MINNEAPOLIS AIRPORT
.
.
************************************************** **********
In its continuing investigation of an Airbus A320 that
overflew the Minneapolis-St Paul International/Wold-
Chamberlain Airport (MSP), the National Transportation
Safety Board has developed the following factual
information:. On Wednesday, October 21, 2009, at 5:56 pm
mountain daylight time, an Airbus A320, operating as
Northwest Airlines (NWA) flight 188, became a NORDO (no
radio communications) flight at 37,000 feet. The flight was
operating as a Part 121 flight from San Diego International
Airport, San Diego, California (SAN) to MSP with 144
passengers, 2 pilots and 3 flight attendants.
.
Both pilots were interviewed separately by NTSB
investigators yesterday in Minnesota. The following is an
overview of the interviews:
.
*.... The first officer and the captain were interviewed for
over 5 hours combined.
*.... The Captain, 53 years old, was hired in 1985.. His
total flight time is about 20,000 hours, about 10,000
hours of A-320 time of which about 7,000 was as pilot
in command.
*.... The First Officer, 54 years old, was hired in 1997..
His total flight time is about 11,000 hours, and has
about 5,000 hours on the A-320.
*.... Both pilots said they had never had an accident,
incident or violation.
*.... Neither pilot reported any ongoing medical conditions.
*.... Both pilots stated that they were not fatigued... They
were both commuters, but they had a 19-hour layover in
San Diego just prior to the incident flight. Both said
they did not fall asleep or doze during the flight.
*.... Both said there was no heated argument.
*.... Both stated there was a distraction in the cockpit.
The pilots said there was a concentrated period of
discussion where they did not monitor the airplane or
calls from ATC even though both stated they heard
conversation on the radio. Also, neither pilot noticed
messages that were sent by company dispatchers.. They
were discussing the new monthly crew flight scheduling
system that was now in place as a result of the
merger. The discussion began at cruise altitude.
*.... Both said they lost track of time.
*.... Each pilot accessed and used his personal laptop
computer while they discussed the airline crew flight
scheduling procedure. The first officer, who was more
familiar with the procedure was providing instruction
to the captain.. The use of personal computers on the
flight deck is prohibited by company policy.
*.... Neither pilot was aware of the airplane's position
until a flight attendant called about 5 minutes before
they were scheduled to land and asked what was their
estimated time of arrival (ETA).. The captain said, at
that point, he looked at his primary flight display
for an ETA and realized that they had passed MSP. They
made contact with ATC and were given vectors back to
MSP.
*.... At cruise altitude - the pilots stated they were using
cockpit speakers to listen to radio communications,
not their headsets.
*.... When asked by ATC what the problem was, they replied
"just cockpit distraction" and "dealing with company
issues".
*.... Both pilots said there are no procedures for the
flight attendants to check on the pilots during
flight..
.
The Safety Board is interviewing the flight attendants and
other company personnel today.. Air traffic control
communications have been obtained and are being analyzed.
Preliminary data from the cockpit voice recorder (CVR)
revealed the following:
.
*.... The CVR recording was 1/2 hour in length.
*.... The cockpit area microphone channel was not working
during this recording.. However, the crew's headset
microphones recorded their conversations.
*.... The CVR recording began during final approach, and
continued while the aircraft was at the gate.
*.... During the hours immediately following the incident
flight, routine aircraft maintenance provided power to
the CVR for a few minutes on several occasions, likely
recording over several minutes of the flight.
.
The FDR captured the entire flight which contained several
hundred aircraft parameters including the portion of flight
where there was no radio communication from the flight
crew.. Investigators are examining the recorded parameters
to see if any information regarding crew activity during the
portion of flight where radio contact was lost can be
obtained..
.
The Safety Board's investigation continues. Their gonna be lucky to fly rubber dog **** outta Goldsby International.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I flew in a jumpseat of an A-320 many years ago. The thing that stood out to me is that there is no yoke. It's flown by a joystick next to the seat.

So, there's plenty of room for some happy lappy fun!I think all Scarebus's are fly by wire.

[batonrougesooner]

Kind of like the F-16.

I'm not a pilot but I wonder if the placement of the yolk on the right vs left affects the pilot much regarding right vs left hand dominance. Me being a righty I would think I would prefer to sit on the right side.

My buddy from my navy.gov days is now a navy test pilot. I guess I should ask him.

[batonrougesooner]

I don't know about the rest of you all but I am leaning to believe the pilots.

[swardboy]

It's too bad...they both seem to have had stellar careers up to this point.