SEC says there's no video evidence of Arkansas personal foul...

[OU-HSV]

For anyone else who watched the Arkansas vs. gaytor game. Thought you may find this interesting. (and I didn't see this posted anywhere, I looked to page 3. My apologies if I missed it)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4577932

SEC: No video proof of Sheppard foul

Associated Press
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- The Southeastern Conference says there's no video evidence to support the personal foul call against Arkansas' Malcolm Sheppard in the fourth quarter of the Razorbacks' 23-20 loss to Florida.

The penalty gave the Gators the ball on the Arkansas 10-yard line, and they scored on the next play to tie the game at 20. Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long said Monday the school had expressed its concerns to the league.

The league said schools can send in plays after each game for review. The SEC said it told Arkansas "there was no evidence on the video to support the personal foul penalty."

It was the same group of officials that called the LSU-Georgia game earlier this month, which included a late unsportsmanlike conduct penalty the league said shouldn't have been called.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

Go figure. Would've been nice to see the Hogs knock off the gaytors. Either way though, I won money in Vegas because I bet on the Hogs with the point spread. :D

[sooner518]

what did the refs say happenned? anything specific?

[Soonerus]

Time to get rid of that crew...

[Widescreen]

what did the refs say happenned? anything specific?

About 10 yards away from the ball, a UF player was running up to block the UA guy. The UA guy defends himself and the UF guy goes down. Ridiculous penalty. The UF guy shouldn't have been running at the UA guy anyway. And what the UA guy did was NOT a personal foul in any way. His alternative was to either get run over or defend himself. He chose the latter with a perfectly legal hit and got flagged for it.

[OU-HSV]

what did the refs say happenned? anything specific?This link explains the situation better....and there's a youtube video on this link that shows the whole situation. It was simply a mysterious personal foul call. The Hog's defensive player #96 knocks a gaytor who was attempting to block him on his ***. The flag comes flying in from the right hand side of the youtube video immediately after he knocked him down. At the time I had a few beers down me cause I was watching the game at the Bally's sportsbook in Vegas...but after watching this youtube video it's exactly what I thought...just a b.s. mystery call.
Here's the direct youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzLLs1oeLgo&feature=player_embedded

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/10/sec-says-officials-made-the-incorrect-call-on-personal-foul-penalty-against-arkansas.html

[OU-HSV]

About 10 yards away from the ball, a UF player was running up to block the UA guy. The UA guy defends himself and the UF guy goes down. Ridiculous penalty. The UF guy shouldn't have been running at the UA guy anyway. And what the UA guy did was NOT a personal foul in any way. His alternative was to either get run over or defend himself. He chose the latter with a perfectly legal hit and got flagged for it.
Exactly.
And I know some people will say "well the UA guy slightly pumped his fist into the air after he knocked the dude on his ***"....
but IMO there are three problems with that, the flag came in before he even pumped his fist...pumping his fist like that isn't a personal foul anyways...and the Rev Tim Tebow gets to pump his fist and scream like a mad man whenever he feels like it at any point in the game. In fact there were times during the game Saturday I felt like the refs could've told Tebow to STFU and get back to his huddle.

[StoopTroup]

Time to get rid of that crew...

Well you know they didn't call it to shave points.

[OKC-SLC]

Exactly.
And I know some people will say "well the UA guy slightly pumped his fist into the air after he knocked the dude on his ***"....
but IMO there are three problems with that, the flag came in before he even pumped his fist...pumping his fist like that isn't a personal foul anyways...and the Rev Tim Tebow gets to pump his fist and scream like a mad man whenever he feels like it at any point in the game. In fact there were times during the game Saturday I felt like the refs could've told Tebow to STFU and get back to his huddle.

Never discuss Tebow in a negative light again. I fear the wrath of Tebow will smite you.

[Soonerpsycho]

http://soonerpsycho.com/spfarksandpics/godfirstdown.gif

http://www.hogdb.com/2009/10/18/floridas-mystery-yard/

[gatorpower]

It was a horrible call and I cringed when I saw it. Marcus Gilbert went looking for contact and got his *** laid out. Instant Karma for him. And though I think it is a bad call, I also do not think it was a conspiracy by the refs to hand Florida the win.

We've seen plays similar to that all the time. All the official saw was an Arkansas player throwing a Florida player to the ground after the play was over. It's similar to when you see two players throwing jabs at each other; the ref will rarely see the first offense, but will always call the retaliation. They see the tail-end of something a lot.

We'll never know if the game would have had a different outcome, but it was on 1st down inside the 20. Jeff Demps scores a touchdown on the next play without being touched on the way to the endzone. Could he have run that an extra 10 yards (the penalty distance from the PF was half-way to the goal from the 20)? Who know.

[OU-HSV]

Never discuss Tebow in a negative light again. I fear the wrath of Tebow will smite you.

Oh gosh and it's too late to edit the post...Tebow sees all knows all. I'm going to bed before a random lightning bolt shoots through my window ;)

[OU-HSV]

It was a horrible call and I cringed when I saw it. Marcus Gilbert went looking for contact and got his *** laid out. Instant Karma for him. And though I think it is a bad call, I also do not think it was a conspiracy by the refs to hand Florida the win.

We've seen plays similar to that all the time. All the official saw was an Arkansas player throwing a Florida player to the ground after the play was over. It's similar to when you see two players throwing jabs at each other; the ref will rarely see the first offense, but will always call the retaliation. They see the tail-end of something a lot.

We'll never know if the game would have had a different outcome, but it was on 1st down inside the 20. Jeff Demps scores a touchdown on the next play without being touched on the way to the endzone. Could he have run that an extra 10 yards (the penalty distance from the PF was half-way to the goal from the 20)? Who know.
You can clearly see the play wasn't even over when this hit took place. Not to mention the ref that throws the flag is standing on top of these guys (he was like 5 yards behind them in the middle of the field). So out of all the officials that you may expect to throw a bogus flag on this...it wouldn't be the guy that's standing near them and saw the whole thing. Heck, the one official runs right next to the situation, turns around and looks at the gaytor lying on the ground and he's smart enough to not throw a flag, so why should the other assclown throw his flag. It was absolutely ridiculous. Not sayin it's the reason Arkansas lost, just saying calls like that weren't helping their cause.

[prrriiide]

I also do not think it was a conspiracy by the refs to hand Florida the win.

Yeah, and yer momma's home cookin' prolly isn't a conspiracy to give you high cholesterol and a heart attack, but that's what often happens.

[Leroy Lizard]

If you look at the photos on the linked page, it looks like the yellow line is misdrawn, leading everyone to think that Tebow had to make it to the second hash mark, when in fact the chain only stretched to the first.

First down!

[Crucifax Autumn]

So in other words SEC officials are pretty much the same as Big 12 officials.

[goingoneight]

So in other words SEC officials are pretty much the same as Big 12 officials.

... except they all run 4.2 40s and stuff.

[MamaMia]

Another blatantly bias game changing bad call that alters the entire season of college football. Refs should be penalized some games for this type of behavior.

[Johnny Utah]

... except they all run 4.2 40s and stuff.

and lift weights :rolleyes:

[ouwapiti]

the reason the referee threw the flag is that he only saw the end of the contact ......cardinal sin in officiating is throwing a flag when the whole play isnt seen

[Gresho Murford]

the reason the referee threw the flag is that he only saw the end of the contact ......cardinal sin in officiating is throwing a flag when the whole play isnt seen

It is impossible to sin when you are on the same field as Tebow

[rawlingsHOH]

The SEC is just as rigged as the Big 12.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

http://soonerpsycho.com/spfarksandpics/godfirstdown.gif

http://www.hogdb.com/2009/10/18/floridas-mystery-yard/

thats awesome

[NormanPride]

The last few minutes of that game were a joke. Florida was literally handed the game on a silver platter by the officials and the hogs have every right to be pissed about it. It was like when we went to Tech in '05.

[stoopified]

Oh gosh and it's too late to edit the post...Tebow sees all knows all. I'm going to bed before a random lightning bolt shoots through my window ;)You underestimate the MIGHTY TEBOW,there won't be anything RANDOM about the Thuderbolt he fires at you.

[FaninAma]

The SEC is just as rigged as the Big 12.

^^^This^^.

Just wait. The Big 12 will continue to deteriorate into the old SWC in football.

If Texas can't be good enough to dominate with talnt they will get the calls and rulings to compensate. It hurts the integrity and quality of the entire league.

[Gresho Murford]

^^^This^^.

Just wait. The Big 12 will continue to deteriorate into the old SWC in football.

If Texas can't be good enough to dominate with talnt they will get the calls and rulings to compensate. It hurts the integrity and quality of the entire league.

taint?

[Uncle Ernie]

The ref crew has been suspended according to ESPN about 5:20PM CST 102109

[Johnny Utah]

Everybody Loves Tim Tebow ... especially SEC officials. Unfortunately their lives weren't better for spending all that time around him. :rolleyes:

Here's the link to the video 'cause i couldn't get the embed to work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ5SVMK3mOM

[OU-HSV]

You underestimate the MIGHTY TEBOW,there won't be anything RANDOM about the Thuderbolt he fires at you.

:D

[CU Sooner]

thats awesome

If you watch this whole play you will see the rev t goes down before the 20 and slides another yard. I watched it 5 or 6 times and when they measure with the sticks you can see where he slid for a yard. Pathetic. Did that crew transfer from the PAC 10?

[Jacie]

Of course there is no conspiracy or intent to manipulate the outcome of a game.

Just because the #'s 1 and 2 teams happen to be from the SEC is merely coincidence . . .

[rawlingsHOH]

At least the SEC has the balls to suspend the crew.

The Big 12 would have probably promoted them to the game of the week.

[MamaMia]

The ref crew has been suspended according to ESPN about 5:20PM CST 102109

Season changing calls such as this one, the OU/Texas Tech calls, the bad call[s] from the OU/Duck game and others should end the officiating seasons for these incompetent crews just as the calls drastically altered the entire season for the teams involved. One game in my opinion is not enough time to make a serious enough impression on these guys.

Associated Press

Crew removed from Oct. 31 game

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The Southeastern Conference has suspended officials from last weekend's Arkansas-Florida game after the crew was involved in its second controversial call of the year.

Referee Marc Curles' crew called a personal foul on Arkansas defensive lineman Malcolm Sheppard in the fourth quarter as the Gators were rallying for a 23-20 victory. The league said there was no video evidence to support the call.

Fish: Shouldering The Blame
Marc Curles, who blew the call in the Arkansas-Florida game, owns up to the boo-boo, writes Mike Fish. Story

The same group of officials called the LSU-Georgia game earlier this month, which included a late unsportsmanlike conduct penalty the league said shouldn't have been called.

"A series of calls that have occurred during the last several weeks have not been to the standard that we expect from our officiating crews," SEC commissioner Mike Slive said Wednesday. "I believe our officiating program is the best in the country. However, there are times when these actions must be taken."

SEC associate commissioner Charles Bloom said this is the first time the league has publicly suspended a football crew like this.

The SEC says the crew will be removed from its next scheduled assignment
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
Crew removed from Oct. 31

Oct. 31 and will not be assigned to officiate as a crew until Nov. 14.

The league said the crew's bowl assignments could also be impacted.

"The entire crew shoulders responsibility for each play. I have taken this action because there must be accountability in our officiating program," Slive said. "Our institutions expect the highest level of officiating in all of our sports and it is the duty of the conference office to uphold that expectation."

Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino said in a statement: "We took the appropriate steps to address any issues we had with the league regarding this matter earlier in the week. Our focus as a football team has been and remains on this weekend's game against Ole Miss."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4583642&type=story

[Sooner70]

Report today from SEC says referee Mark Curles' crew has been suspended and will not be eligible to call a game until Nov 14. Also, the crew's bowl assignments could be impacted.

I'd sure hope they wouldn't let this bunch call a bowl game. That would be dumb after the incompetency they've shown.

[goingoneight]

I say stick Phlorida with PAC 10 refs next week.

[Scott D]

Report today from SEC says referee Mark Curles' crew has been suspended and will not be eligible to call a game until Nov 14. Also, the crew's bowl assignments could be impacted.

I'd sure hope they wouldn't let this bunch call a bowl game. That would be dumb after the incompetency they've shown.

you're probably safe as long as you aren't playing Florida or LSU in a Bowl Game ;)

[MALE918]

The last few minutes of that game were a joke. Florida was literally handed the game on a silver platter by the officials and the hogs have every right to be pissed about it. It was like when we went to Tech in '05.

You are absolutely correct......there were two pass interference calls that went the gaytors way and a missed false start. all 4 blown calls were on the final 2 gaytor scoring drives.

[MALE918]

how about these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4v1o-ZhzI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWAmTFB_StQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_uSPMjT5U0

2 of these and the personal foul were on the gaytors final 2 scroring drives but the refs also missed a false start on these two drives.
that's 4 blown calls on the final 2 scoring drives and who knows what would have happened on the extra point if they were backed up for delay of game.