Liberals Anonymous

[JohnnyMack]

Hi,

My name is JohnnyMack and when I openly opposed the Iraq war in 2003 I was branded a liberal.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Hi,

My name is JohnnyMack and when I openly opposed the Iraq war in 2003 I was branded a liberal.

Socialist Commie Bastage!!!! :mad:

[King Crimson]

i think you mean "anti-american", JM.

i opposed the Patriot Act on the basis of it's name alone. then, and now. i also believe in civil liberties as a principle....not pick and choose like so many 2nd Amendment zealots who are howling now but didn't mind when the guv knew what books i checked out of the library 5 years ago.

because if it has to be called patriot act, it's a swindle.

[soonerscuba]

Hi, I'm soonerscuba and I believe that modest regulatory control by a government entity into the market is a healthy and needed roadblock to a stable economy, of course I was branded Communist. I also disagreed with the Iraq war in 2003 and was told that by not supporting the president I was giving aid and comfort to the enemy and was branded as treasonous.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Wow...like moth's to flame's.

[King Crimson]

history shows (despite Adam Smith's invisible hand) that an unfettered market produces collusion and then monopoly.....not competition that benefits the consumer.

but "free market" is still a fun word to say that makes it seem like any conflict has been closed in the name of virtue.

funnier still, is when the board righteous Reaganites were complaining about the country being run by east coast elites. yeah, like that's a new thing since last January.

[King Crimson]

Wow...like a moth's to flame's.

yeah, but i'm not sure you get who's being made fun of here.

[Pogue Mahone]

I love that even the board's self-described "libertarians" can love the government-sponsored enterprise known as the University of Oklahoma football team.

[iwannabelikesam]

I love that even the board's self-described "libertarians" can love the government-sponsored enterprise known as the University of Oklahoma football team.

Perhaps you should learn what "libertarian" means before you post.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

I love that even the board's self-described "libertarians" can love the government-sponsored enterprise known as the University of Oklahoma football team.

If you think the State of Oklahoma foots the bill for OU football, well, I got a bridge I'd like to sell ya...

:rolleyes:

[Okla-homey]

i think you mean "anti-american", JM.

i opposed the Patriot Act on the basis of it's name alone. then, and now. i also believe in civil liberties as a principle....not pick and choose like so many 2nd Amendment zealots who are howling now but didn't mind when the guv knew what books i checked out of the library 5 years ago.

because if it has to be called patriot act, it's a swindle.

You know KC, we may agree on something. I don't really pick and choose on civil liberties and Constitutional rights either. E.g. Amendment VII is just as important to me as Amendment II. I guess where we might part ways is I don't think Amendment I = freedom from religion.

Instead, it simply means freedom to choose a religion, or chose none, and that Congress won't establish a "state religion" as governments have in many countries in Europe.

Put another way, all this athiest asshattery and feigned shock at the sight of a religious symbol on public property, coupled of course by certain religious folks' asshattery and deliberate tweaking the nose of non-believers by insisting on installation of various religious symbols on public property...sucks. Waste of time and resources.

[KABOOKIE]

Hi,

My name is KABOOKIE and I'm not pumping sunshine up Barak's anal cavity like some folks out in LA and I've been branded a racist redneck right wing christian zealot.

[Frozen Sooner]

history shows (despite Adam Smith's invisible hand) that an unfettered market produces collusion and then monopoly.....not competition that benefits the consumer.

Smith explicitly states as much in Wealth of Nations.

[Frozen Sooner]

If you think the State of Oklahoma foots the bill for OU football, well, I got a bridge I'd like to sell ya...

:rolleyes:

Libertarian doesn't mean "It's OK so long as it doesn't cost anything."

[Sooner_Havok]

Hi, my name is Sooner Havok. I was labeled a liberal after I questioned the amount being spent in Iraq in 2005, more than a year after I cast my ballot for George W Bush.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Libertarian doesn't mean "It's OK so long as it doesn't cost anything."

I wasn't going after his idea of Libertarianism, I was going after his idea that the government pays for OU football.

[Frozen Sooner]

I wasn't going after his idea of Libertarianism, I was going after his idea that the government pays for OU football.

Ah. He didn't say that. He said it's a government-sponsored entity. Which it is. When Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were turning a profit, they were still GSEs.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Usually when someone says 'sponsored', they mean 'paid for'.

[Frozen Sooner]

Nevermind. This isn't even worth arguing. By any plausible definition of the word, the University and all ancillary departments and endeavors are government-sponsored.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sponsor

Main Entry: 1spon·sor
Pronunciation: \ˈspän(t)-sər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin, from Latin, guarantor, surety, from spondēre to promise — more at spouse
Date: 1651
1 : one who presents a candidate for baptism or confirmation and undertakes responsibility for the person's religious education or spiritual welfare
2 : one who assumes responsibility for some other person or thing
3 : a person or an organization that pays for or plans and carries out a project or activity; especially : one that pays the cost of a radio or television program usually in return for advertising time during its course

Sorry for picking the wrong meaning for words.

[Frozen Sooner]

Jesus. You happen to read anything PAST "pays for?"

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Yeah. You edited your post while I was typing. My bad.

[Frozen Sooner]

Yeah. You edited your post while I was typing. My bad.

No worries. Back to Torts.

[Boarder]

Proximate cause
Conversion

[Frozen Sooner]

Proximate cause
Conversion

I guess conversion could be deemed a tort, though it's normally handled under the criminal rubric of theft...

Duty
Breach
Cause in Fact
Proximate Cause
Damages

[Boarder]

When an intentional trespass to chattel tort causes enough damage to cause a need for the defendant to pay for the whole damaged property. Conversion.

Pfft. Alabalamalabalaamalaabala

[StoopTroup]

Hi,

My name is KABOOKIE and I'm not pumping sunshine up Barak's anal cavity like some folks out in LA and I've been branded a racist redneck right wing christian zealot.

One thing I'll agree on you with Kabookie...

Even though I try to stay middle of the road on things...they probably would group me right along with you if I was to tell them I lived in Tulsa.

[Frozen Sooner]

When an intentional trespass to chattel tort causes enough damage to cause a need for the defendant to pay for the whole damaged property. Conversion.

Pfft. Alabalamalabalaamalaabala

Ahh.

From Black's: 2. Tort & criminal law. The wrongful possession or disposition of another's property as if it were one's own; an act or series of acts of willful interference, without lawful justification, with an item of property in a manner inconsistent with another's right, whereby that other person is deprived of the use and possession of the property. [Cases: Trover and Conversion Key Number 1. C.J.S. Trover and Conversion § 1, 5.] —

Therefore, because I've defined it one way, your valid definition is INCORRECT!!!! ;)

[King Crimson]

I guess where we might part ways is I don't think Amendment I = freedom from religion.


you'd have to show me where i say that to suggest i'm any part of that parting of ways.

in fact, i'd like you to show me a post i've made in 10 years about religion or "liberal atheism" in general.

so, don't be telling me we "agree" about this when you really want to say that other thing which is supposed to be some kind of hypocrisy thing on my part. pretty weak sauce, homey.

first amendment, all the amendments is my point. not acting all persecuted about gun rights when many of the same people wanted all kinds of civil liberties violated by the government 5 years ago (same posters on the SO) are now howling about the "new" constitutional abuses.

[Sooner_Havok]

torts, pfft.

Civ Pro is where its at

[Frozen Sooner]

torts, pfft.

Civ Pro is where its at

I think I crushed my Civ Pro midterm today. Right up until ExamSoft decided it didn't want to save my exam to the thumb drive. The essay question is bugging the crap out of me: how many Rule 14 defects can really exist? I can only come up with two. Not arising out of same transaction or occurrence, and untimely complaint.

[King Crimson]

Smith explicitly states as much in Wealth of Nations.

and you see that part of Smith used how much in popular or right-wing hero worship discourse.....?

the abuse of texts by politicians is hardly anything new. all you need to do is see a few threads on this board where some bigtimeposters are failing Poli Sci 1001 and probably blaming it on their liberal profs.

[Boarder]

Pfft. Dictionaries and alternate definitions.

[A Sooner in Texas]

Wow...like moth's to flame's.

Like moth's what to flame's what?





Punctuation smack, in case you can't tell.

[StoopTroup]

Cipro can save your life.

[Frozen Sooner]

and you see that part of Smith used how much in popular or right-wing hero worship discourse.....?

the abuse of texts by politicians is hardly anything new. all you need to do is see a few threads on this board where some bigtimeposters are failing Poli Sci 1001 and probably blaming it on their liberal profs.

Oh, I know. I'm just sayin'. Smith warned about the tendency of industries to collude and consolidate.

But hey, it's not like I've never taken a quote out of context or misunderstood a text.

[Sooner_Havok]

I think I crushed my Civ Pro midterm today. Right up until ExamSoft decided it didn't want to save my exam to the thumb drive. The essay question is bugging the crap out of me: how many Rule 14 defects can really exist? I can only come up with two. Not arising out of same transaction or occurrence, and untimely complaint.

You get midterms? Lucky

[Frozen Sooner]

Well, I get two midterms in Civ Pro and one in Torts. Nothing in Crim until the final, which is closed book closed note.

Edit: none of the midterms are graded, just pass-fail. Since the class is curved, the net effect is 0 unless you just flat-out don't try.

[King Crimson]

Oh, I know. I'm just sayin'. Smith warned about the tendency of industries to collude and consolidate.

But hey, it's not like I've never taken a quote out of context or misunderstood a text.

when was the last time you saw one the "True Free Americans" quote Federalist 51.....but all the same time refer to rah rah American history of the Framers.

Limbaugh was comparing himself to Jefferson and the true Republicans wandering in the desert and Obama to John Adams last summer vis a vis alien-sedition and free speech and immigration.

one need only think about that one minute to see the hilarity.

[Frozen Sooner]

Oh yeah, I forgot:

I'm Frozen Sooner and I'm a political liberal. I don't really think I need to qualify that. I'm a liberal, and I'm good with that.

[Frozen Sooner]

when was the last time you saw one the "True Free Americans" quote Federalist 51.....but all the same time refer to rah rah American history of the Framers.

Limbaugh was comparing himself to Jefferson and the true Republicans wandering in the desert and Obama to John Adams last summer vis a vis alien-sedition and free speech and immigration.

one need only think about that one minute to see the hilarity.

Snicker. At least SicEm admits freely that he hates Hamilton. :D

[Ike]

Hi I'm Ike. Now that I'm back in Oklahoma I'm a Commie-pinko-librul. In Chicago, I was slightly right of center.


In other words, in both places, I'm probably completely unelectable.

[tommieharris91]

Hi, I'm tommieharris91. Despite agreeing with da pubs on organized labor and gun rights, I am considered very liberal by my Ron Paul faux libertarian friends. Why? I don't support the gold standard and I support the Fed. Maybe they don't understand that I didn't get my economics knowledge from an M.D... I'm not too sure, but I'm happy where I am.

[Sooner_Havok]

Hi, I'm tommieharris91. Despite agreeing with da pubs on organized labor and gun rights, I am considered very liberal by my Ron Paul faux libertarian friends. Why? I don't support the gold standard and I support the Fed. Maybe they don't understand that I didn't get my economics knowledge from an M.D... I'm not too sure, but I'm happy where I am.

You disgust me.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

My name is SanJoaquinSooner and I am a Liberal.


When my son was a 1st grader he brought a book home from the school library with pictures of dinosaurs boarding Noah's Ark.

I submitted a letter to the librarian, requesting that the book be moved out of the science section of the library and into the fiction section.

[tommieharris91]

You disgust me.

Well, Ron Paul doesn't really know he likes too much gubmint to be a libertarian.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

[Sooner_Havok]

Well, Ron Paul doesn't really know he likes too much gubmint to be a libertarian.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

Me neither, my sarcasm meter has been broken for a while :(

[Fraggle145]

I'm Fraggle145 I love lakes, science, sex, and logic hence I am a liberal.

I know basically dick about politics.

Edit: And booze I forgot booze.

[Sooner_Havok]

I'm Fraggle145 I love lakes, science, sex, and logic hence I am a liberal.

I know basically dick about politics.

Edit: And booze I forgot booze.

Wait, you know nothing abut booze? We ain't friends no more!

[GottaHavePride]

Hi. I'm GHP. I'm a political cynic that thinks our Federal government is bloated and inefficient, and that politicians on both sides of the aisle are greedy bastards who are just in it for themselves, and probably don't really give two ****s about the average American.

I also think the "average" American has become intellectually lazy.

Oh, and I think religion has no place in politics. Not that I think there shouldn't BE any religion. I just don't think you can make policy decisions based on religious principles and still be cool with the Constitution.

And I'm generally in favor of policies that are environmentally-friendly. You know, like recycling and alternative energy research, and so on. Not because of the global warming business, but because I think it's just supremely arrogant of humans to think we can just do whatever the **** we want to the planet without worrying about consequences.


So I guess that means that around here I'm a flaming commie-pinko liberal. A flaming commie-pinko liberal that loves firearms. ;)


PS - screw hybrid cars. Give me a car with a 12-cylinder engine that goes 2 gallons per mile, but does it really damn fast.

[Fraggle145]

Wait, you know nothing abut booze? We ain't friends no more!

I suck at editing posts :O

[SicEmBaylor]

I am SicEm and I am a paleo-conservative. Evidently, the paleocons are the new liberals so you can count me among your own.

Is there a secret handshake?

[GottaHavePride]

Well, flaming commie-pinko liberals shake something...

[Fraggle145]

Well, flaming commie-pinko liberals shake something...

I like to shake my pinko...

:confused:

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

You would...

[Fraggle145]

Is it weird that I have a...

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Don't ask, don't tell.

[SicEmBaylor]

Now that I'm a Red, I want one of those big warm looking Russian winter hats. I've always wanted to wear one, but I never had an excuse.

http://hosting.westernbid.info/images/uploads/iiiii/l015.jpg

[Boarder]

http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/05/14/george_costanza2_web.jpg

[Chuck Bao]

Hi I’m Chuck Bao. And, I’m chicken butt on the political spectrum. I hear people around me talking about the constitution and long dead people that were so smart and it just flies over my head. Chicken butt. I try to understand about economic issues, debt-driven economies, job losses and it just flies over my head. Chicken butt. I try to understand social issues and what is so wrong with two people actually managing to live together and that just flies over my head. Chicken butt. Chickens can’t fly very far, but all I see is just chicken butt.

[Okla-homey]

I think I crushed my Civ Pro midterm today. Right up until ExamSoft decided it didn't want to save my exam to the thumb drive. The essay question is bugging the crap out of me: how many Rule 14 defects can really exist? I can only come up with two. Not arising out of same transaction or occurrence, and untimely complaint.

Mid-terms? In law skool? really?

But here's a more important question. WTF are you using a computer to take your exams? Why not just write them in the darn blue books? Pen and paper eliminates the prospect of technical glitches, and makes for less stress.

[Half a Hundred]

Ahh.

From Black's: 2. Tort & criminal law. The wrongful possession or disposition of another's property as if it were one's own; an act or series of acts of willful interference, without lawful justification, with an item of property in a manner inconsistent with another's right, whereby that other person is deprived of the use and possession of the property. [Cases: Trover and Conversion Key Number 1. C.J.S. Trover and Conversion § 1, 5.] —

Therefore, because I've defined it one way, your valid definition is INCORRECT!!!! ;)

Ahh, but the important part is that trespass to chattels is derived from the ancient writ of trespass, while conversion was derived from the status of trover, which was technically a trespass to the case, meaning that the former gets all the fun little bonuses that come with those particular torts.

Pointless nominal damages FTW

[Frozen Sooner]

Mid-terms? In law skool? really?

But here's a more important question. WTF are you using a computer to take your exams? Why not just write them in the darn blue books? Pen and paper eliminates the prospect of technical glitches, and makes for less stress.

Yep, really. The school encourages first year professors to give them so that students can better gauge where they are and if their current study habits have deficiencies. They're all given on a pass-fail basis, so the net effect is that the final is still your grade for the course, but it gets you a little feedback.

And I'm using a computer because my handwriting is so atrocious that if I were to use a blue book it would likely be an automatic fail. I also tend to go through mini-drafting when writing an essay answer, and having a computer makes it so I don't have to rewrite the whole answer when I revise.

However, after yesterday, I'm seriously considering moving to blue book. It'd allow me to take this Windows abomination off of my Mac for one.

[Frozen Sooner]

Ahh, but the important part is that trespass to chattels is derived from the ancient writ of trespass, while conversion was derived from the status of trover, which was technically a trespass to the case, meaning that the former gets all the fun little bonuses that come with those particular torts.

Pointless nominal damages FTW

Red trover red trover send yourself over?

:D

I have to confess the only time I've encountered conversion as yet is in the context of Criminal Law (Morrissette). Then again, my Torts professor thinks that intentional torts are boring.

[C&CDean]

Hi, I'm Dean, and I believe true liberals suffer from some type of brain damage.

I believe one must be sick to support the slaughter of unborn babies, but fight against the execution of hardened violent criminal sociopaths.

I believe that one must be sick to believe this country wasn't founded on christian moral values. Or maybe just blind and dumb?

I believe one must be sick to think the government's job is to keep us safe from ourselves.

I believe one must be sick to think that those who work very hard to succeed should be penalized by having more of their hard-earned wages taken away by the government and handed out to able-bodied lazy **********s.

I believe one must be sick to think that pulling all of our forces out of the ME would stop the war or terrorism from coming back to our own shores.

I believe one must be sick to think that there is no supreme being - that man is the highest form of life - that everything in nature CAN be explained in a science book.

I think one must be sick to vote for a character like Obama - and even sicker for thinking he's doing a bang-up job.

So, in short, I'm Dean, and I'm not a liberal.

[Half a Hundred]

Red trover red trover send yourself over?

:D

I have to confess the only time I've encountered conversion as yet is in the context of Criminal Law (Morrissette). Then again, my Torts professor thinks that intentional torts are boring.

Strange, I think they're pretty interesting - but only because of the historical aspects, really.

Even though conversion is usually hit harder in damages than trespass for chattels, because it's not a tort derived from writ of trespass, you can't get nominal damages, nor can you get transferred intent. So, if someone means to set fire to your next door neighbor's car but accidentally sets yours on fire, you can't sue for conversion since there was no intent, even though they've permanently taken away your right to the exclusive use of the vehicle. Instead, you must sue under trespass to chattels over the interference to your exclusive use and to the chattel itself.

[King Crimson]

Mid-terms? In law skool? really?

But here's a more important question. WTF are you using a computer to take your exams? Why not just write them in the darn blue books? Pen and paper eliminates the prospect of technical glitches, and makes for less stress.


could it be that Homey's experience at TU (like his histories and general normative viewpoint) isn't as generalizable or moralizing as he'd like to believe?

i always give in-class, blue book exams so the kids can't cheat....and would have needed to do the work to make a grade.

my dad's account of law school inna day would make you weenies blush.

[Half a Hundred]

Oh, and I'm a utilitarian pragmatist. So take that for what you will.

[NormanPride]

Hi, I'm NormanPride, and I think that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I also think that someone will snicker about that statement and immediately think of our President. I think those people are what's wrong with this nation.

[King Crimson]

Hi, I'm NormanPride, and I think that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I also think that someone will snicker about that statement and immediately think of our President. I think those people are what's wrong with this nation.

of course, back when i used to care i posted a few time that the so-called totalitarian features of governance in today's America weren't partisan limited....but since we're all too stroking it and hate-****ing on partisan lines and scapegoating......i guess that's disappeared once again.

[Frozen Sooner]

could it be that Homey's experience at TU (like his histories and general normative viewpoint) isn't as generalizable or moralizing as he'd like to believe?

i always give in-class, blue book exams so the kids can't cheat....and would have needed to do the work to make a grade.

my dad's account of law school inna day would make you weenies blush.

Midterms past first year are pretty rare.

To take exams on computer, we have to use a program called ExamSoft which locks your computer from accessing any other programs or files, which stops the cheating. In fact, it looks like multiple bar exams are moving to using ExamSoft.

[C&CDean]

This thread is about flaming homo libs, not ****ing law school exams. Nobody cares about that ****.

[Pricetag]

I think that a good portion of the angry white folks these days don't work nearly as hard as they'd have everyone believe, and they are a much bigger part of the reason why things aren't great right now than Mexicans and welfare recipients.

[NormanPride]

of course, back when i used to care i posted a few time that the so-called totalitarian features of governance in today's America weren't partisan limited....but since we're all too stroking it and hate-****ing on partisan lines and scapegoating......i guess that's disappeared once again.

I blame mass media's drive for profit rather than journalism. The problem now is that bad journalism is cheap (i.e. free from bloggers) and most people are too stupid to realize it's bad. So why pay for the good stuff? That, in turn, drives the media conglomerates to more extremes in order to gather listeners/viewers/readers. The current information trends are leading towards a horribly misinformed public.

But how do you fix it? You can't deny the right to blog, and you can't censor their blogging. Media companies cannot compete with ad-hoc news sources on price, so they have to devise other ways to compete. Value alone will be difficult, as the value of something (no matter how bad) for nothing is pretty high, especially when a majority of your market cannot discern between quality. On top of that, information is an extremely polarizing product and consumers have the tendency to determine quality by personal preference rather than factual consistency. So media sources that need revenue are driven to constantly provide provocative ways of saying what people want to hear rather than concentrating on pure journalism.

Sad.

[Half a Hundred]

I'd say its less the broad dissemination of journalism, and more the adoption of the 24 hour news model. When there were only three networks, news was simply a loss leader, given as a public service to partially justify their use of the public airwaves. When you have a cable network (whereby there is no public interest), profitability is the only thing that matters, and that means ratings.

You've never lost in ratings by appealing to the lowest common denominator - simply because it's common. Anyone who wants more detailed news are generally seeking it out by themselves. The argument for an increase in news quality is a public interest argument, which is entirely moot over privately owned distribution networks.

[NormanPride]

I'd say its less the broad dissemination of journalism, and more the adoption of the 24 hour news model. When there were only three networks, news was simply a loss leader, given as a public service to partially justify their use of the public airwaves. When you have a cable network (whereby there is no public interest), profitability is the only thing that matters, and that means ratings.

You've never lost in ratings by appealing to the lowest common denominator - simply because it's common. Anyone who wants more detailed news are generally seeking it out by themselves. The argument for an increase in news quality is a public interest argument, which is entirely moot over privately owned distribution networks.

You're completely right. The cable news networks appeal to where they can get viewers, which is the LCD. Unfortunately, they do that by sensationalizing and polarizing, and it causes bad trends like the partisan crap you see today. I guess my ranting was considering if there was a business model out there where you could both report good news and make money, but there probably isn't.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

You're completely right. The cable news networks appeal to where they can get viewers, which is the LCD. Unfortunately, they do that by sensationalizing and polarizing, and it causes bad trends like the partisan crap you see today. I guess my ranting was considering if there was a business model out there where you could both report good news and make money, but there probably isn't.

There is for the markets of individual cities and smaller scale news reporting, but the local network affiliates are screwing the pooch on that one.

[OklahomaTuba]

So you really think that shows that do news analysis and discuss politics appeal to the LCD???

If cable news networks did appeal to the LCD, we would see a lot of the **** we see on the networks, such as reality TV, Oprah, Dr. Phil, soaps, and various other BS you see on networks like MTV and such.

Of course so few people watch MSNBC or CNN, who really knows what they show anymore...

[NormanPride]

There is for the markets of individual cities and smaller scale news reporting, but the local network affiliates are screwing the pooch on that one.

Local news sources have it hard, because their economies of scale are so small. They get a lot of their news from the Associated Press and also don't have the talent pool to draw from that the national levels do. They also have to fight for viewers/readers as much as possible, so "being first" is a high priority rather than being right or relevant. Newspapers struggle because they are a losing medium, even though they traditionally do the best job of reporting the news and representing politics. The talent pool to draw from for them is just bigger and better for the most part.

[Pricetag]

So you really think that shows that do news analysis and discuss politics appeal to the LCD???

If cable news networks did appeal to the LCD, we would see a lot of the **** we see on the networks, such as reality TV, Oprah, Dr. Phil, soaps, and various other BS you see on networks like MTV and such.
What they show is the reality TV, Oprah, Dr. Phil, etc., of politics. They know that people are tuning in looking to get pissed off about something, and they gladly stir the pot. It's not much more than loud noise, any of it.

[CrimsonandCreamForever]

Local news sources have it hard, because their economies of scale are so small. They get a lot of their news from the Associated Press and also don't have the talent pool to draw from that the national levels do. They also have to fight for viewers/readers as much as possible, so "being first" is a high priority rather than being right or relevant. Newspapers struggle because they are a losing medium, even though they traditionally do the best job of reporting the news and representing politics. The talent pool to draw from for them is just bigger and better for the most part.

The thing that local news sources have that the big leagues don't is localization. They can report about things that happen around here that you won't find anywhere else AND they can not only report on national stories, but also report how those stories affect people here.

My point is, a lot of the Oklahoma City news stations, anyway, have trouble reporting the basic facts on a local story. I'm sure affiliates in other cities are having some of the same problems. Even the OKC Associated Press bureau is nothing to write home about.

[ELP Sooner]

Hi. I'm GHP. I'm a political cynic that thinks our Federal government is bloated and inefficient, and that politicians on both sides of the aisle are greedy bastards who are just in it for themselves, and probably don't really give two ****s about the average American.

I also think the "average" American has become intellectually lazy.

Oh, and I think religion has no place in politics. Not that I think there shouldn't BE any religion. I just don't think you can make policy decisions based on religious principles and still be cool with the Constitution.

And I'm generally in favor of policies that are environmentally-friendly. You know, like recycling and alternative energy research, and so on. Not because of the global warming business, but because I think it's just supremely arrogant of humans to think we can just do whatever the **** we want to the planet without worrying about consequences.


So I guess that means that around here I'm a flaming commie-pinko liberal. A flaming commie-pinko liberal that loves firearms. ;)


PS - screw hybrid cars. Give me a car with a 12-cylinder engine that goes 2 gallons per mile, but does it really damn fast.

I didn't know anyone else felt that way. Cool

[Half a Hundred]

So you really think that shows that do news analysis and discuss politics appeal to the LCD???

Yes. These, on both sides, primarily appeal to fear and emotional outrage. Those are about the two most powerful emotional responses. TV depends on the viewer being engaged, at least long enough to get to a commercial break, and those two responses by their very nature are engaging.


If cable news networks did appeal to the LCD, we would see a lot of the **** we see on the networks, such as reality TV, Oprah, Dr. Phil, soaps, and various other BS you see on networks like MTV and such.

How different are those programs, really? Just like reality TV, they involve real people acting in unusual ways. Like Oprah and Dr. Phil, they seek to make you feel good about yourself, and point out issues you should be concerned about. Like soaps, they have long arcs based on various talking points. Like MTV, they have a distinct audiovisual presentation.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Hi,

My name is JohnnyMack and when I openly opposed the Iraq war in 2003 I was branded a liberal.You are a Warmer (aka Global Warmer) Case Closed!

[Half a Hundred]

The thing that local news sources have that the big leagues don't is localization. They can report about things that happen around here that you won't find anywhere else AND they can not only report on national stories, but also report how those stories affect people here.

My point is, a lot of the Oklahoma City news stations, anyway, have trouble reporting the basic facts on a local story. I'm sure affiliates in other cities are having some of the same problems. Even the OKC Associated Press bureau is nothing to write home about.

It all comes down to cost. Comprehensively covering a local story is very expensive, especially as the "action" or "eyewitness" style of reporting has become the industry standard. Like mentioned earlier, local news is a loss-leader, meant to get you to tune to the network before prime time, and hopefully get you to stay. This made perfect sense before remote controls came around - now, with the ease of shifting channels and the options available, this makes no sense whatsoever.

As network ratings have declined, so have revenues, and it's the locals that get the pinch first, particularly the smaller-market ones. This is contrasted with the necessity to keep up local competition so as to protect the amount of money coming from the network, and this really puts local stations in a bind. So they need to cut costs, but no less than their competitors.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I love that even the board's self-described "libertarians" can love the government-sponsored enterprise known as the University of Oklahoma football team."Wow...like moth's to flame's." -Turd Ferguson

As well as as any thread I've ever seen. It was the intent. Job well done.
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[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Smith explicitly states as much in Wealth of Nations.As if the right opposes reasonable govt. behavior. You're better than that, Mike

"Nevermind. This isn't even worth arguing." -Mike the Frozen

Ahhhhh, that's more like it!

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Ah. He didn't say that. He said it's a government-sponsored entity. Which it is. When Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were turning a profit, they were still GSEs.

Now, what are they? GPEs (Gov't Propped Entities)?

[Bourbon St Sooner]

I'm apparently also a liberal after accusing the last Republican gov't of selling the country out to Goldman Sachs. Of course, since we all know the Dems, led by Chris "Countrywide" Dodd and Barney Frank, are doing the same thing, I basically consider myself an equal opportunity hater of crony capitalism.

[JohnnyMack]

You are a Warmer (aka Global Warmer) Case Closed!

I'm a what?

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm a what?Was it encrypted on your computer?

[tommieharris91]

I'm a what?

He's parroting.

[OklahomaTuba]

How different are those programs, really? Just like reality TV, they involve real people acting in unusual ways. Like Oprah and Dr. Phil, they seek to make you feel good about yourself, and point out issues you should be concerned about. Like soaps, they have long arcs based on various talking points. Like MTV, they have a distinct audiovisual presentation.Except the news shows talk about issues of some actual importance maybe???

Well, except when they talk about Obama it seems. They rather talk about his puppy, his picks or his pick up game of basketball instead of the wars he is ignoring, his tripling of the national debt or the millions who have lost their homes and jobs in his 9 month term..

[Frozen Sooner]

As if the right opposes reasonable govt. behavior. You're better than that, Mike
!

I'm not sure how you even took that statement as a criticism of the right. It's a simple statement of what Adam Smith wrote. If you want I can pull the quote where he talks about the natural tendency to collude to the detriment of the common good.

I wish I could say you're better than that.

[OklahomaTuba]

I'm apparently also a liberal after accusing the last Republican gov't of selling the country out to Goldman Sachs.Well frankly, its a little silly to blame Bush for selling out to Goldman when most of Clinton's folks were Goldman folks and were all Robert Rubin clones.

And even funnier considering Goldman folks were one of the top contributors to Obama's campaign, and the same Goldman folks are back in Government once again.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

[Sooner_Havok]

Well frankly, its a little silly to blame Bush for selling out to Goldman when most of Clinton's folks were Goldman folks and were all Robert Rubin clones.

And even funnier considering Goldman folks were one of the top contributors to Obama's campaign, and the same Goldman folks are back in Government once again.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Right, let's just ignore when the bailouts started. :rolleyes:

[C&CDean]

I'm gonna start carding folks who don't start whatever silliness they're saying with: "hi, I'm a dumbass and I'm a liberal."

[Sooner_Havok]

I'm gonna start carding folks who don't start whatever silliness they're saying with: "hi, I'm a dumbass and I'm a liberal."

I can live with that, but you may want to add the option "Hi, I'm closed minded and I'm a Republican."

That way the number of libs on this boad won't rise any higher.

[JohnnyMack]

Well frankly, its a little silly to blame Bush for selling out to Goldman when most of Clinton's folks were Goldman folks and were all Robert Rubin clones.

And even funnier considering Goldman folks were one of the top contributors to Obama's campaign, and the same Goldman folks are back in Government once again.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

What's sad is that you're so stupid as to think that Goldman Sachs has only been ****ing people since 92. God you're pathetic sometimes.

[JohnnyMack]

Was it encrypted on your computer?

Oh you think I believe in Global Warming? Man, you're a piece of work. You really have the "You're with us, or you're against us" blinders on.

[Sooner_Havok]

Oh you think I believe in Global Warming? Man, you're a piece of work. You really have the "You're with us, or you're against us" blinders on.

Big red truck.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm not sure how you even took that statement as a criticism of the right. It's a simple statement of what Adam Smith wrote. If you want I can pull the quote where he talks about the natural tendency to collude to the detriment of the common good.

I wish I could say you're better than that.Did you miss my point, or ignore it on purpose, pretending I didn't understand you? You REALLY ARE better than that. I've seen you do a lot better.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Oh you think I believe in Global Warming? Man, you're a piece of work. You really have the "You're with us, or you're against us" blinders on.If you don't, apologies. I sometimes confuse your stuff with mdklatts.

[Sooner_Havok]

If you don't, apologies. I sometimes confuse your stuff with mdklatts.

No, JM has been pretty clear on his stance on global warming. You going to give his points more credit now? No. Then please STFU and GTFU

[I Am Right]

***@^&M Warmers, oops not warmers, changers

[Sooner_Havok]

idiot

[C&CDean]

idiot

I'm fairly confident you could be talking to 80% of the posters in this thread - yourself included. No?

[Sooner_Havok]

I'm fairly confident you could be talking to 80% of the posters in this thread - yourself included. No?

Huh, what? Na, just posted random sh*t. All the cool kids are doing it :D

[C&CDean]

Well I for one know all the fringies (JM, scuba, juan, et.al. on the left, and Rush and Tuba on the right, and las living in a whole other world) most certainly fit the idjit handle.

[I Am Right]

"Because he couldn't spell morooned"

[Sooner_Havok]

Well I for one know all the fringies (JM, scuba, juan, et.al. on the left, and Rush and Tuba on the right, and las living in a whole other world) most certainly fit the idjit handle.

Perhaps it wasn't as random as I first thought?:confused:

[C&CDean]

perhaps

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I'm fairly confident you could be talking to 80% of the posters in this thread - yourself included. No?He gets extra angry and insulting when he knows he's on ignore.

[Sooner_Havok]

Damn, RLIMC has you on Ignore Dean. That's ****ed up. I mean, I don't have anyone on iggy. I got balls enough to see what everyone else has to say.

Know what I mean?

[Half a Hundred]

Except the news shows talk about issues of some actual importance maybe???

What makes the missing pretty white girl of the week important? What does the economic condition of a city half a continent away have anything to do with your life? Why does it matter to you how business executives are compensated, if it doesn't affect your income? What does it matter what some blathering politico said today about some other blathering politico, especially to the point you have 10 talking heads all spouting off some inconsequential opinion about the meaning of one word that he used? Why do we constantly need to be hearing about the swine flu when we're already doing everything we can about it?

"Importance" is just another selling point - you can feel justified in this LCD BS because it's "important"

[JohnnyMack]

Well I for one know all the fringies (JM, scuba, juan, et.al. on the left, and Rush and Tuba on the right, and las living in a whole other world) most certainly fit the idjit handle.

Suck it, Trebek.

[SicEmBaylor]

I weep for the Republic.

[King Crimson]

I weep for the Republic.


that's about where i'm at.

[Sooner_Havok]

I weep for the Republic.

You weep a lot. Even for a lib

[SicEmBaylor]

You weep a lot. Even for a lib

Touché.

[Sooner_Havok]

Touché.

:D

[SicEmBaylor]

See what I did there? ^ I used a French word complete with accent mark to make it extra-liberaly.

[Sooner_Havok]

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_see_what_you_did_there_poster-p228060760404242422t5wm_400.jpg

[Half a Hundred]

See what I did there? ^ I used a French word complete with accent mark to make it extra-liberaly.

When did conservative = populist?

I miss the days when people like Hayek and Burke were at least honest about the fact that they thought that they were better than most other people. Now, that sort of speech would get you labeled an ivory tower elitist

[Sooner_Havok]

When did conservative = populist?

I miss the days when people like Hayek and Burke were at least honest about the fact that they thought that they were better than most other people. Now, that sort of speech would get you labeled an ivory tower elitist

Dude, I am still better than everyone. Don't fret :D

[Fraggle145]

I just want to write Douché with an accent mark.

[Sooner_Havok]

I just want to write Douché with an accent mark.

You just found a loophole in the ****** ban...:D