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StoopTroup
10/15/2009, 01:33 PM
Is she gonna make a run at Obama?

Is she going to move out of Alaska and save another State?

Inquiring minds want to know what exactly was so important she had to quit her job?

I mean...she said she was heading her efforts in a positive direction right?

OklahomaTuba
10/15/2009, 03:27 PM
Is she gonna make a run at Obama?Given the poll that just came out saying only 42% would re-elect this disaster, its probably not a bad plan.

Chuck Bao
10/15/2009, 03:47 PM
Let's just let her keep her fame as the worst VP candidate selected by a major party in the history of the US.

That should keep her in talk shows and earning a decent living better than the Alaska governorship. Major hypocrites are always good talk show bait.

Tulsa_Fireman
10/15/2009, 03:56 PM
Hate hate hate.

But if she's not on my lap doing the good deed, I'm not all that concerned.

Penguin
10/15/2009, 04:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that the ethics violations are going to end her political career. I'm sure Fox News would gladly give her a show, though.

SoonerNate
10/15/2009, 05:13 PM
I'm pretty sure that the ethics violations are going to end her political career. I'm sure Fox News would gladly give her a show, though.

She not a fan of Mao so you dislike her?

Penguin
10/15/2009, 05:20 PM
She not a fan of Mao so you dislike her?


I have no strong opinion about her. I just don't see how she could be elected to a national office after the ethics allegations and her mysterious resignation.

SoonerNate
10/15/2009, 05:36 PM
I think there's a clear double standard. Obama hadn't accomplished anything and he got in but when it's a Republican they are assumed guilty until proven innocent.

StoopTroup
10/15/2009, 05:44 PM
You need to understand that as a person I don't hate her. As a Politician...I think she sure did a lot of finger pointing and telling folks what they wanted to hear. As far as I can tell....when it got down to taking all of it to task...she failed.

I don't think that makes her a bad person either. I think she basically lost touch really fast when the pressure was applied. It showed just how bad a choice the McCain Camp made IMO. It's John McCain and the Republican Party who is to blame for the Obama Administration.

If they don't get over letting Hannity and Limbaugh run their party...they won't be back in office for a long long time. That scares the crap out of me as I really think our Country will always be great as long as there are at least two legitimate Parties. Right now...it seems like we don't have any and one of the remaining two is really kicking the crap out of the one that just got booted out of office.

SoonerNate
10/15/2009, 05:55 PM
You need to understand that as a person I don't hate her. As a Politician...I think she sure did a lot of finger pointing and telling folks what they wanted to hear. As far as I can tell....when it got down to taking all of it to task...she failed.

I don't think that makes her a bad person either. I think she basically lost touch really fast when the pressure was applied. It showed just how bad a choice the McCain Camp made IMO. It's John McCain and the Republican Party who is to blame for the Obama Administration.

If they don't get over letting Hannity and Limbaugh run their party...they won't be back in office for a long long time. That scares the crap out of me as I really think our Country will always be great as long as there are at least two legitimate Parties. Right now...it seems like we don't have any and one of the remaining two is really kicking the crap out of the one that just got booted out of office.

Wrong. Neither Limbaugh or Hannity wanted McCain. Until the party listens to it's conservative base they will continue to lose.

I Am Right
10/15/2009, 06:44 PM
Is she gonna make a run at Obama?

Is she going to move out of Alaska and save another State?

Inquiring minds want to know what exactly was so important she had to quit her job?

I mean...she said she was heading her efforts in a positive direction right?

I would vote for her.

C&CDean
10/15/2009, 07:17 PM
It showed just how bad a choice the McCain Camp made IMO. It's John McCain and the Republican Party who is to blame for the Obama Administration.


Sorry my brother from another mother, it was you, and about a brazillion other uninformed, koolaid drinking liberal homosexual Che lovin' commie ****wads who are responsible for the train wreck that is your president.

KABOOKIE
10/15/2009, 07:55 PM
JHC, another Sarah Palin thread? OMFG!

I Am Right
10/15/2009, 08:52 PM
Is she gonna make a run at Obama?

Is she going to move out of Alaska and save another State?

Inquiring minds want to know what exactly was so important she had to quit her job?

I mean...she said she was heading her efforts in a positive direction right?

More than you!

I Am Right
10/15/2009, 08:53 PM
You can tell who the left is afraid of by the press they receive.

StoopTroup
10/15/2009, 09:06 PM
More than you!

Well...actually I'm still hard at work everyday and contributing to both parties...plus I never ran for Govenor and quit. Also...I wouldn't have been stupid enough to take a position that I wasn't qualified for in the first place.

So Suck It Trebek!

Fraggle145
10/15/2009, 09:55 PM
You can tell who the left is afraid of by the press they receive.

I am not afraid that she will win, I am afraid of what would happen if she were to win.

Probably like you were about Obama.

The one thing this election is perhaps showing is that (hopefully) no matter who gets in there they cant **** it up too bad.

Especially when they are compared with W :O .

SanJoaquinSooner
10/15/2009, 10:03 PM
it was a money move. she can earn mucho dinero outside of alaska.

Leroy Lizard
10/15/2009, 10:03 PM
You need to understand that as a person I don't hate her. As a Politician...I think she sure did a lot of finger pointing and telling folks what they wanted to hear.

I refuse to believe a politician would ever do such a thing.

picasso
10/15/2009, 10:10 PM
Is she gonna make a run at Obama?

Is she going to move out of Alaska and save another State?

Inquiring minds want to know what exactly was so important she had to quit her job?

I mean...she said she was heading her efforts in a positive direction right?

she's probably not approaching 40,00 posts on an internet message board.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/15/2009, 11:54 PM
JHC, another Sarah Palin thread? OMFG!Where's Letterman?

My Opinion Matters
10/16/2009, 12:31 PM
Wrong. Neither Limbaugh or Hannity wanted McCain. Until the party listens to it's conservative base they will continue to lose.

Yeah, nothing will reverse the trend of the GOP sliding into irrelevance and alienating potential voters like taking marching orders from Hannity and Limbaugh. Brilliant plan!

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 01:15 PM
BTW...I don't care what she is doing today. I only cared about yesterday.

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 01:17 PM
she's probably not approaching 40,00 posts on an internet message board.

Ya know that extra 4700 doesn't come easy.

I'll probably only get 300-500 this weekend. :pop:

MamaMia
10/16/2009, 03:38 PM
In Palins defense she was so busy defending herself against false accusations and so bogged down financially from it all that she selflessly and graciously stepped down from the gubernatorial position for the sake of not only her family but for the state of Alaska. At first I was upset that she quit as well, but when I looked at the big picture I realized in the end that it was the right thing to do. I wish her all the best.

My Opinion Matters
10/16/2009, 03:49 PM
In Palins defense she was so busy defending herself against false accusations and so bogged down financially from it all that she selflessly and graciously stepped down from the gubernatorial position for the sake of not only her family but for the state of Alaska. At first I was upset that she quit as well, but when I looked at the big picture I realized in the end that it was the right thing to do. I wish her all the best.

lol

jdsooner
10/16/2009, 04:12 PM
Sorry my brother from another mother, it was you, and about a brazillion other uninformed, koolaid drinking liberal homosexual Che lovin' commie ****wads who are responsible for the train wreck that is your president.

Well, my retirement fund is certainly worth a lot more than it was when Bush left office. I think it is a bit early to call his administration a train wreck. After all, we have not been hit by terrorists, nor have we screwed up on a national disaster like Katrina.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/16/2009, 04:29 PM
In Palins defense she was so busy defending herself against false accusations and so bogged down financially from it all that she selflessly and graciously stepped down from the gubernatorial position for the sake of not only her family but for the state of Alaska. At first I was upset that she quit as well, but when I looked at the big picture I realized in the end that it was the right thing to do. I wish her all the best.For those reasons, she's till very politically viable. The only proof of that you need is to observe how badly the left is still trying to destroy her, including this thread.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 04:30 PM
First of all, Sarah Palin is a threat to nobody. She can't ever get elected to the White House. She's ruined. And she did it to herself. You guys who keep making excuses for her on how there's a conspiracy of people attacking her without any proof are the same ones saying Obama was born in freakin' KENYA. Get a grip on reality and take your tin foil hats off.

Secondly, all the doomsayers who keep saying that Obama is a "trainwreck" and he's "ruining our country" ALSO say, in the very next breath, that he "hasn't done anything yet" and that his administration is "all talk and no action."

Funny. He's done nothing...and yet...he's done EVERYTHING EVIL EVAR!

Fuggin' partisan hack ****.

Has Obama "rocked it" as President? No. Not at all. But has he "totally screwed everything up?" Not even close.

To see "totally screwed everything up," just look back at the last guy we had in the White House.

/fin

I Am Right
10/16/2009, 04:40 PM
LA Sooner, what has got your panties in a wad?

Turd_Ferguson
10/16/2009, 04:42 PM
First of all, Sarah Palin is a threat to nobody. She can't ever get elected to the White House. She's ruined. And she did it to herself. You guys who keep making excuses for her on how there's a conspiracy of people attacking her without any proof are the same ones saying Obama was born in freakin' KENYA. Get a grip on reality and take your tin foil hats off.

Secondly, all the doomsayers who keep saying that Obama is a "trainwreck" and he's "ruining our country" ALSO say, in the very next breath, that he "hasn't done anything yet" and that his administration is "all talk and no action."

Funny. He's done nothing...and yet...he's done EVERYTHING EVIL EVAR!

Fuggin' partisan hack ****.

Has Obama "rocked it" as President? No. Not at all. But has he "totally screwed everything up?" Not even close.

To see "totally screwed everything up," just look back at the last guy we had in the White House.

/finNice deficit dodging, Mr. Smarty Paint's:D

My Opinion Matters
10/16/2009, 04:44 PM
First of all, Sarah Palin is a threat to nobody. She can't ever get elected to the White House. She's ruined. And she did it to herself. You guys who keep making excuses for her on how there's a conspiracy of people attacking her without any proof are the same ones saying Obama was born in freakin' KENYA. Get a grip on reality and take your tin foil hats off.

Secondly, all the doomsayers who keep saying that Obama is a "trainwreck" and he's "ruining our country" ALSO say, in the very next breath, that he "hasn't done anything yet" and that his administration is "all talk and no action."

Funny. He's done nothing...and yet...he's done EVERYTHING EVIL EVAR!

Fuggin' partisan hack ****.

Has Obama "rocked it" as President? No. Not at all. But has he "totally screwed everything up?" Not even close.

To see "totally screwed everything up," just look back at the last guy we had in the White House.

/fin

Say what you want about LAS's politics, but this was a pretty badass post.

Turd_Ferguson
10/16/2009, 04:59 PM
Say what you want about LAS's politics, but this was a pretty badass post.Coming from you, that doesn't mean a whole lot.

JohnnyMack
10/16/2009, 05:28 PM
I think Palin was wrong to resign in the manner in which she did. I would have liked to have seen her show a bit more resolve and just finished her term. If she decided not to seek reelection that's fine.

As far as Palin and how qualified she is or isn't for the office of POTUS, I can tell you that the last nine months have really shown me that the person elected POTUS, no matter how grand their vision is or how bold their ideas may be, that person has to be right for the time he (or she) takes office.

I honestly think that Barack Obama isn't necessarily the right person for the office right now. If he had been elected in say 1996, when he was dealing with a Congress controlled by the R's and we were in a different point in terms of our economy then I think he might have fared better.

I personally am pretty conservative financially and pretty open in terms of social issues. I think what scared me the most about someone like Palin was her stances on social issues, but I happen to think she's much more in line with my financial opinions. That being said, if the election were this Tuesday I'd have to say I'd be 50/50 if not a McCain lean right now.

I'm learning it's probably more important to vote for my wallet and not my heart.*

*That being said I am not thinking of or will I likely ever convert to the Republican party.

I Am Right
10/16/2009, 05:30 PM
Yeah, nothing will reverse the trend of the GOP sliding into irrelevance and alienating potential voters like taking marching orders from Hannity and Limbaugh. Brilliant plan!

Wait a minute- Hannity and Limbaugh are conservatives. GOP-- moderates.

KABOOKIE
10/16/2009, 08:58 PM
Coming from you, that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Say what you want about Turd's politics, but this was a pretty badass post.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 09:04 PM
Wait a minute- Hannity and Limbaugh are conservatives. GOP-- moderates.

Limbaugh is somewhat more conservative than Hannity, but Hannity is definitely not a conservative. He lacks the intellectual capacity to even understand what it means to be a conservative. He's hitched his wagon to neo-conservatism without fully understanding what it means and treats ideology as if it were a series of independent positions that together constitute "conservatism."

At least Limbaugh demonstrates some critical thinking skills. Hannity has a room temperature IQ.

SoonerNate
10/16/2009, 09:06 PM
In Palins defense she was so busy defending herself against false accusations and so bogged down financially from it all that she selflessly and graciously stepped down from the gubernatorial position for the sake of not only her family but for the state of Alaska. At first I was upset that she quit as well, but when I looked at the big picture I realized in the end that it was the right thing to do. I wish her all the best.

Exactly. Now their target is Mrs Bachman- MN. They did it to Gonzales as well. Don't forget Clarence Thomas. They have to attack any minority or female with conservative views as to not lose the template they've set as the GOP being only a white male party.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 09:14 PM
Exactly. Now their target is Mrs Bachman- MN. They did it to Gonzales as well. Don't forget Clarence Thomas. They have to attack any minority or female with conservative views as to not lose the template they've set as the GOP being only a white male party.

Gonzales? Are you serious? You're seriously defending Alberto Gonzales? The guy isn't even remotely conservative. The guy was corrupt, lied, and tried really hard to create a national police state.

He horrid. Truly horrid.

I do like Clarence Thomas though.

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 09:19 PM
Wrong. Neither Limbaugh or Hannity wanted McCain. Until the party listens to it's conservative base they will continue to lose.

Then your just another delusional part of what's wrong.

The folks who call themselves Conservatives and that really are Conservatives are very few in numbers. Now if you count the Neo-Conservatives, the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives as one entity the numbers get better but the ability to get along with each other for the benefit of the party is in need of repair. Add the Moderates and the Libertarians to the mix and it gets even worse.

Republican attempts to call every Dem a Dirty Lib or a Socialist is continuing to tear at the Parties strengths and is making it an even more chaotic unorganized mess.

Limbaugh and Hannity and others are continuing to fill their pockets with dough as they get money from tons of Corporations and businesses that are afraid that the Democratic Party will again take over America as did happen after the 1930's financial crisis in America.

My friend...history is repeating itself. Limbaugh and Hannity should run for office and or start their own Party if they are so smart. They both have plenty of folks they can plug in to fill their air time. The truth is that these two gentlemen continue to drive a wedge in the Republican Party as they posture themselves as guys who have all the answers yet all they are really doing is taking credit when things go wrong. Go ahead and continue to listen to them if you want. I think you'd do better to turn them off and start working the phone banks for the guys you think are good for the Party. Then work yourself into public office and fix what you think is wrong. Even if you fail...at least your time would be better spent than listening to those gas bags.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 09:25 PM
Then your just another delusional part of what's wrong.

The folks who call themselves Conservatives and that really are Conservatives are very few in numbers. Now if you count the Neo-Conservatives, the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives as one entity the numbers get better but the ability to get along with each other for the benefit of the party is in need of repair. Add the Moderates and the Libertarians to the mix and it gets even worse.

This ^^^^

Neo-conservatism is, as Pat Buchanan describes them, the "boat-people of the McCarthy revolution." I really don't like reducing complex ideas into tag-lines and simple explanations, but I'm going to be blunt. Paleo-conservatism (and to some degree our neo-libertarian cousins) are the truest representation of conservatism and there are VERY few of us left in the paleo-conservative movement. Neo-conservatism is a liberal wolf in the conservative sheep's clothing. They and the evangelical movement have hijacked the Republican Party and redefined what it means to be a conservative.

The modern GOP and its neo-conservative base DO NOT represent me as a conservative.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 09:34 PM
It's funny...I don't have to do anything around here anymore. I just let SoonerNate, I Am Right, RUSHLIMBAUGHisMyClone!, OklahomaTuba, 85Sooner, Kabookie, MamaMia, Condescending Sooner, LadyAsshat, OUThunder, Sooner in Tampa, SoonerBorn68, etc post WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE and then watch as they drive moderate conservatives (real Republicans) like StoopTroup to post EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID in response.

:D

Thanks, extremist wingnuts. You're doing my work for me. LOL

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 09:35 PM
The modern GOP and its neo-conservative base DO NOT represent me as a conservative.

What I'm trying to explain to Nate is...that it never will. The Libertarians and Conservatives must begin to amass enough dough to fight the Democratic Party so they can get on the ballots in all 50 States.

What all of you don't realize is that if you continue to support what ever specialty group inside the GOP...it won't matter what kind of priciples you think are best for America. Your Party is getting their *** kicked. A re-alignment will need to take place IMO for the Republican Party to even have a chance again in 2020.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 09:35 PM
And holy crap...you've driven Sim'em into my camp as well. :D

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 09:36 PM
:D

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 09:37 PM
I've been saying all this for eight years now...and people call me a RINO for it (or a dirty lib, traitor).

It's a shame so many people are so driven by the partisanship going on in politics nowadays that they can't see the forest for the trees.

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 09:41 PM
In Palins defense she was so busy defending herself against false accusations and so bogged down financially from it all that she selflessly and graciously stepped down from the gubernatorial position for the sake of not only her family but for the state of Alaska. At first I was upset that she quit as well, but when I looked at the big picture I realized in the end that it was the right thing to do. I wish her all the best.

It's to bad that she didn't just say exactly that.

I won't disagree with you about what I think occurred as I think your definitely warm if not burning up in regards to why she quit.

My point is that most folks have just quietly let her slip into oblivion and I think that's exactly what is also happening to the GOP.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 09:43 PM
What I'm trying to explain to Nate is...that it never will. The Libertarians and Conservatives must begin to amass enough dough to fight the Democratic Party so they can get on the ballots in all 50 States.

What all of you don't realize is that if you continue to support what ever specialty group inside the GOP...it won't matter what kind of priciples you think are best for America. Your Party is getting their *** kicked. A re-alignment will need to take place IMO for the Republican Party to even have a chance again in 2020.

Oh, you're totally right. I have absolutely no use for the GOP left. I used to be so hardcore Republican it was disgusting. But any clear and free thinking conservative is deluding themselves if they believe the Republican party still represents individual rights and limited/responsible government. They don't. The party is corrupt to its core and deserves to cast aside into the ash heap of history.

I dropped my GOP registration just before the last election. I'm finished supporting a party that doesn't represent me.

StoopTroup
10/16/2009, 09:53 PM
Oh, you're totally right. I have absolutely no use for the GOP left. I used to be so hardcore Republican it was disgusting. But any clear and free thinking conservative is deluding themselves if they believe the Republican party still represents individual rights and limited/responsible government. They don't. The party is corrupt to its core and deserves to cast aside into the ash heap of history.

I dropped my GOP registration just before the last election. I'm finished supporting a party that doesn't represent me.

As soon as I saw my Uncle in Lawrence, KS and his Wife's framed picture of them with GWB and Laura Bush...I knew the GOP was corrupt. My Uncle would have sold his Father's soul for a job in GWB's administration. For awhile it looked like he had too. I was relieved when he decided not to run for Governor of KS.

I love my Uncle...but he was so star struck is was sickening.

I haven't spoke to him much except for when my Mother passed away at Christmas last year. He made a few cracks about Obama and was completely taken in by Palin. I worry that he might be suicidal now. I'm betting he's even sank low enough to join a Glenn Beck Tea-party.

SoonerNate
10/16/2009, 10:06 PM
Then your just another delusional part of what's wrong.

The folks who call themselves Conservatives and that really are Conservatives are very few in numbers. Now if you count the Neo-Conservatives, the Fiscal Conservatives and the Social Conservatives as one entity the numbers get better but the ability to get along with each other for the benefit of the party is in need of repair. Add the Moderates and the Libertarians to the mix and it gets even worse.

Republican attempts to call every Dem a Dirty Lib or a Socialist is continuing to tear at the Parties strengths and is making it an even more chaotic unorganized mess.

Limbaugh and Hannity and others are continuing to fill their pockets with dough as they get money from tons of Corporations and businesses that are afraid that the Democratic Party will again take over America as did happen after the 1930's financial crisis in America.

My friend...history is repeating itself. Limbaugh and Hannity should run for office and or start their own Party if they are so smart. They both have plenty of folks they can plug in to fill their air time. The truth is that these two gentlemen continue to drive a wedge in the Republican Party as they posture themselves as guys who have all the answers yet all they are really doing is taking credit when things go wrong. Go ahead and continue to listen to them if you want. I think you'd do better to turn them off and start working the phone banks for the guys you think are good for the Party. Then work yourself into public office and fix what you think is wrong. Even if you fail...at least your time would be better spent than listening to those gas bags.

The last "true conservative" carried 49 states. 'nuff said.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 10:16 PM
The last "true conservative" carried 49 states. 'nuff said.

Reagan was great. He's a hero of mine, and I love the man dearly. But, he wasn't quite a true and absolute conservative.

The last President who made no compromises on his conservative principles and governed as an absolute conservative was Calvin Coolidge (who happened to be Reagan's favorite)

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 10:20 PM
What Reagan really did was bind together and bridge the gap between competing, and sometimes incompatible, wings of the conservative movement.

It's really remarkable that he had the support of the old-right while adopting some of the ideas of the emerging neo-conservative movement. The biggest mistake he made though was not sticking a dagger in the heart of the neo-conservative movement and killing it off for good when he had the power to do so. Unfortunately, W. Bush gave the neo-conservatives carte blanche with national policy and let them run wild.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/16/2009, 10:31 PM
Limbaugh is somewhat more conservative than Hannity, but Hannity is definitely not a conservative. He lacks the intellectual capacity to even understand what it means to be a conservative. He's hitched his wagon to neo-conservatism without fully understanding what it means and treats ideology as if it were a series of independent positions that together constitute "conservatism."

At least Limbaugh demonstrates some critical thinking skills. Hannity has a room temperature IQ.You carck me up with your insistance that Hannity is stupid.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 10:32 PM
Most of Reagan's staff have come out to say that their greatest regret was allowing the neo-Conservative movement to grow and flourish.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 10:32 PM
You carck me up with your insistance that Hannity is stupid.I know of grub worms with higher intellects than Sean Hannity.

Curly Bill
10/16/2009, 10:38 PM
Calling Hannity and the like stupid is another sign of the intellectual arrogance those on the left often demonstrate. Anything, or anyone, that doesn't fit into their narrow view is demonized as corny, corrupt, mean, stupid, etc...

I think it's cute.

SoonerNate
10/16/2009, 10:49 PM
Calling Hannity and the like stupid is another sign of the intellectual arrogance those on the left often demonstrate. Anything, or anyone, that doesn't fit into their narrow view is demonized as corny, corrupt, mean, stupid, etc...

I think it's cute.

That's their playbook. Who have they called stupid? W Bush, HW Bush, Quayle, Reagan, Nixon, Palin, Bork, .....

It's as predictable as their use of the race card.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 10:49 PM
Calling Hannity and the like stupid is another sign of the intellectual arrogance those on the left often demonstrate. Anything, or anyone, that doesn't fit into their narrow view is demonized as corny, corrupt, mean, stupid, etc...

I think it's cute.

I disagree. Some people call him stupid because they disagree with his politics. On a point-by-point basis, I agree with him quite a bit. Having said that, he isn't very bright. I listened to him every single day for years on the radio, read all of his books, and hardly ever missed an episode of Hannity and Colmes. I'm not making some ignorance-based generalization here.

He has never displayed a real concrete understanding of what conservatism is all about. In fact, I've heard more than a few callers question his position on several issues based on core conservative principles and he rejects their point and calls them liberal and/or misguided.

The problem with Hannity is that he has this laundry list of issues he believes in and he finds himself on the conservative side of those issues, but it isn't at all clear that he understands the ideological underpinning of those issues. In other words, conservatism isn't about being on the right side of a laundry list of issues.

Hannity is a light-weight.

MamaMia
10/16/2009, 10:51 PM
It's to bad that she didn't just say exactly that.

I won't disagree with you about what I think occurred as I think your definitely warm if not burning up in regards to why she quit.

My point is that most folks have just quietly let her slip into oblivion and I think that's exactly what is also happening to the GOP. It may, but then again it may not surprise you to know that I am far from happy with the actions and non actions of the republican party as well.

For the record, I believe Hannity is far from stupid and extremely entertaining. :D

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 10:52 PM
Calling Hannity and the like stupid is another sign of the intellectual arrogance those on the left often demonstrate. Anything, or anyone, that doesn't fit into their narrow view is demonized as corny, corrupt, mean, stupid, etc...

I think it's cute.No he's a moron. He's a simpleton. His logic is often flawed. His ideas are overly simplistic. He is incapable of understanding nuance or seeing the gray areas in issues.

He's an idiot.

And I'm not being arrogant in saying so, I'm being impartial in my criticism of his show. As I said, Rush Limbaugh (whom I detest) is highly intelligent. He's just a fat evil racist bastard. But he's smart.

Of course...I'm in the middle, so I don't fall into your above statement. ;)

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 10:52 PM
That's their playbook. Who have they called stupid? W Bush, HW Bush, Quayle, Reagan, Nixon, Palin, Bork, .....

It's as predictable as their use of the race card.

I'm as conservative and far-right as they come, and I'm telling you Hannity is a moron. I don't believe W. Bush was stupid though his intellectual curiosity had limits. I don't even believe Quayle was stupid. Reagan was certainly not stupid. I haven't made my mind up about Palin...I really want to believe in her.

I don't recall ANYONE ever suggesting that Nixon and Bork were stupid. The left had plenty of problems with them, but I don't think their intellect was ever in question. Especially not Nixon. Nixon's problem was corruption not stupidity and what happened to Bork was a travesty. The complaint with him was racism though not stupidity.

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 10:54 PM
That's their playbook. Who have they called stupid? W Bush, HW Bush, Quayle, Reagan, Nixon, Palin, Bork, .....

It's as predictable as their use of the race card.Show me ONE example of ANYONE calling Reagan, Nixon or HW Bush "Stupid" or insulting their intelligence in any way.

As for Dubya and Potatoe...I'll leave that one to the judges. :rolleyes:

Curly Bill
10/16/2009, 10:54 PM
You should write him SicEm, and tell him that he's not a real conservative. He'd probably be shamed into admitting that he's not a "true conservative."

Whatever the hell that is.

Turd_Ferguson
10/16/2009, 10:56 PM
Whatever the hell that is.It's what Sicem thinks it is.....pay tention.

Curly Bill
10/16/2009, 10:57 PM
No he's a moron. He's a simpleton. His logic is often flawed. His ideas do not correspond with mine. He is incapable of understanding my thinking or seeing the ghey areas in issues.

He's an idiot.

And I'm being arrogant in saying so, I'm being partial in my criticism of his show. As I said, Rush Limbaugh (whom I detest) is highly intelligent. He's just a fat evil racist bastard. But he's smart.

Of course...I'm in the middle of the far left, so I very much fall into your above statement. ;)

I know right. ;)

LosAngelesSooner
10/16/2009, 11:03 PM
Dude...there ARE actual qualifiers for what a True Conservative is.

It's not like this is something that's made up, for God's sake.

Curly Bill
10/16/2009, 11:04 PM
Dude...there ARE actual qualifiers for what a True Conservative is.

It's not like this is something that's made up, for God's sake.

Aw hell, like you'd know anything about conservatism. :rolleyes:




:D

MamaMia
10/16/2009, 11:16 PM
I'm as conservative and far-right as they come, and I'm telling you Hannity is a moron. I don't believe W. Bush was stupid though his intellectual curiosity had limits. I don't even believe Quayle was stupid. Reagan was certainly not stupid. I haven't made my mind up about Palin...I really want to believe in her.

I don't recall ANYONE ever suggesting that Nixon and Bork were stupid. The left had plenty of problems with them, but I don't think their intellect was ever in question. Especially not Nixon. Nixon's problem was corruption not stupidity and what happened to Bork was a travesty. The complaint with him was racism though not stupidity.
Okay so its your opinion that Hannity is a moron. I work with conservative folks day in and day out and you are the first person I have ever heard refer to him in such a way. I have no doubt that you know many people who feel the way you do after all "Birds of a feather" and all that you know. Maybe you should get your own show? :D


I know right. ;) right. ;)

Frozen Sooner
10/16/2009, 11:40 PM
Show me ONE example of ANYONE calling Reagan, Nixon or HW Bush "Stupid" or insulting their intelligence in any way.

As for Dubya and Potatoe...I'll leave that one to the judges. :rolleyes:

I've heard plenty of people refer to Reagan as stupid, though that's pretty tacky considering he was likely suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's towards the very end there.

Bush pere is extremely smart. Anyone who thinks he's an idiot is sorely mistaken, and I don't recall anyone making that statement.

Bork is a brilliant legal mind, but was unconfirmable and his nomination was a dumb move. It'd be like nominating Posner-he's the best-qualified person for the Supreme Court out there, but there's no way either party would ever confirm him after some of his writings got released to the press. Market for rape and such.

Never heard anyone call Nixon dumb.

SicEmBaylor
10/16/2009, 11:44 PM
You should write him SicEm, and tell him that he's not a real conservative. He'd probably be shamed into admitting that he's not a "true conservative."

Whatever the hell that is.

I've heard plenty of people call into his show trying to point out the inconsistencies of his arguments err "statements." He usually calls them misguided. Most of them, for good reason, were Ron Paul supporters and I believe at one point he just flat out banned them from his show since they were generally better informed and presented better arguments.

The problem with Hannity is that he just repeats the same basic **** over and over again. He doesn't offer anything new...there's no creative thinking. It's just repeating the same arguments ad-nauseum.

As for what conservatism is...

It's not at all my definition. In fact, most would probably be surprised to learn that what is commonly considered "conservative" these days is really VERY new. The "old-right" or paleo-conservatism is what I consider to be the truest form of conservative thought. What does it mean to me?

Well, that would take an entire book to describe but I'll give a few key points:

1)Conservatism should be independent from any single party. Our nation was founded in the hope that we could avoid political parties. Political parties, by their nature, have to compromise principles in order to get elected. American political parties, unlike many of their European counterparts, are non-ideological. In fact, political parties have such a corrupting influence on principles and ideology that the party's platform is often confused with conservative ideology.

2)Conservatism is about preserving the original ideas and institutions that built this country. This country was supposed to be a beacon of free-thought to the rest of the world -- light in an age of darkness -- the embodiment of the enlightenment. It was suppose to be a nation of free men and men free of the restricting nature of government. It was supposed to be a place that people could freely think and freely debate without fear of persecution. Another thing I hate about Hannity is the degree to which he vilifies liberals. Liberals are not evil or bad people. They have a competing idea which is nothing to be threatened by. In fact, liberalism makes conservatism stronger by forcing us to evaluate our positions and ideas. This bull**** about greeting conservatives on the show with the moniker "Great American" is an absolute insult. A liberal can be as great an American as a conservative even when they're wrong.

3)Conservatism is about small government at home AND abroad. This country was founded as the antithesis of empire. Having a strong presence/big-government abroad is impossible without having a strong central government at home. I am absolutely opposed to a strong central government, as most conservatives should be, and you can't have a strong international presence without creating a strong centralized government.

There's a lot more to it than that, but the point is that many of these principles are no longer accepted by the GOP or by a great many conservatives. Most conservatives now support a strong international presence whereas traditional conservatism rejects it. Traditional conservatives would abhor the idea of a huge military presence around the world doing everything from peace keeping to war making. Today's GOP and conservatives have largely accepted a stronger centralized government in areas ranging from education to national security. A traditional conservative would never ever accept giving the Federal government the amount of power it received from the Patriot Act. And then there's the evangelical movement that seeks to use the powers of the Federal government to impose its moral beliefs on the entire nation.

I could go on all night, but suffice it to say that neo-conservatism is a very new thing that has transformed conservatism's traditional roots of personal liberty/limited government/semi-isolationism into a movement that supports a sort of right-wing NATIONALIST agenda with a strong international role. In fact, that's probably the best way to describe the difference. Your traditional paleo-conservative is a big fan of de-nationalization and state/local government that opposes globalization while your typical neo-conservative is nationalist/imperialist.

MamaMia
10/17/2009, 11:30 PM
I have never, not once, watched a Hannity show that people called in. Not ever. Are you sure you don't have Hannitys TV show and Glenn Becks radio show mixed up?

SicEmBaylor
10/17/2009, 11:56 PM
I have never, not once, watched a Hannity show that people called in. Not ever. Are you sure you don't have Hannitys TV show and Glenn Becks radio show mixed up?

No, Im talking about Hannity's radio show not his Fox News show.

Tulsa_Fireman
10/18/2009, 12:00 AM
http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/9/2/12/a1d669913eabc325f01ff6156d8235b9.jpg

Can we please get back to Sarah Palin and the hawt sex?

MamaMia
10/18/2009, 03:55 PM
I know of grub worms with higher intellects than Sean Hannity. Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what you don't know. You don't enough about politics to actually carry on a decent intelligent, mature conversation without negging and flame baiting people. Why do you have to act like such a creep? It amazes me that you get by with this. If you neg me 4 or 5 times in a row again, I'm calling in all my pals to have a neg fest on you because I don't think reporting you would do much good.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/18/2009, 05:25 PM
....1) And then there's the evangelical movement that seeks to use the powers of the Federal government to impose its moral beliefs on the entire nation...

2)neo-conservatism is a very new thing that has transformed conservatism's traditional roots of personal liberty/limited government/semi-isolationism into a movement that supports a sort of RIGHT-WING NATIONALIST agenda with a strong international role. In fact, that's probably the best way to describe the difference. Your traditional paleo-conservative is a big fan of de-nationalization and state/local government that opposes globalization while your typical neo-conservative is nationalist/imperialist.1)this is the one I can't get enough of, esp coming from a conservative. What is it you suppose the evangelicals want to do to use the fed govt. to impose moral beliefs on the populace?
2)Let's hear what defines right-wing

JohnnyMack
10/18/2009, 06:39 PM
2)this is the one I can't get enough of, esp coming from a conservative. What is it you suppose the evangelicals want to do to use the fed govt. to impose moral beliefs on the populace?
2)Let's hear what defines right-wing

Not to speak for SicEm, as I'm sure he'll put it much more eloquently than I will, but a true conservative understands the concept of the separation of church and state and wants to keep it sacred while the neo-cons seek to use talking points like, "This nation was founded on Christian principles" or "You know that this country was founded by Christian men" and use that to justify the insertion of their religious dogma into politics.

StoopTroup
10/18/2009, 07:07 PM
Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what you don't know. You don't enough about politics to actually carry on a decent intelligent, mature conversation without negging and flame baiting people. Why do you have to act like such a creep? It amazes me that you get by with this. If you neg me 4 or 5 times in a row again, I'm calling in all my pals to have a neg fest on you because I don't think reporting you would do much good.

Don't mess with Mama...

StoopTroup
10/18/2009, 07:09 PM
http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/9/2/12/a1d669913eabc325f01ff6156d8235b9.jpg

Can we please get back to Sarah Palin and the hawt sex?

That really what I wanted for this thread and everybody went and made it all political.

I was hoping to find out if Todd had been replaced or that she had run off with Baby Daddy and her Daughter never wants to talk to her again....you know...something really juicy. :D

KABOOKIE
10/18/2009, 09:32 PM
Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what you don't know. You don't enough about politics to actually carry on a decent intelligent, mature conversation without negging and flame baiting people. Why do you have to act like such a creep? It amazes me that you get by with this. If you neg me 4 or 5 times in a row again, I'm calling in all my pals to have a neg fest on you because I don't think reporting you would do much good.

Heh. You too? He needs help.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
10/18/2009, 11:28 PM
Not to speak for SicEm, as I'm sure he'll put it much more eloquently than I will, but a true conservative understands the concept of the separation of church and state and wants to keep it sacred while the neo-cons seek to use talking points like, "This nation was founded on Christian principles" or "You know that this country was founded by Christian men" and use that to justify the insertion of their religious dogma into politics.You made my point. That's what nobody ever comes up with when asked the question. What religious dogma have the Christians forced upon the nation? It's an unwarranted fear by the athiest and/or militant agnostic folks. Morals and the rule of law ARE what this country were founded upon, and that is not any sort of fusion of church and state.

StoopTroup
10/18/2009, 11:46 PM
I was thinking that lots of folks left Europe for the New World because of religious freedom and that was what was fought for once the 13 States decided to break free of England as they were again forcing more and more stuff down the Colonists throats. They then decided to make religious freedoms a constitutional right I thought. This has later meant that you have a right to your religious views in this Country. Now...if your religions main idea is to interfere with the religious freedoms of others....you have a problem.

I still feel that the Republican Party was beginning to use many of these agenda filled religious entities as a way to promote war on the Muslim Religion. I prayed that we might get past having a Religious War. We seem to have been able to do it...but had Dick Cheney had more power...I don't think it would have ended up as well as it has for now that is.

GWB is a good man IMO. I think he understood that we aren't about wiping the Muslim Faith off the face of the Earth...however...should they want a religious war....he damn sure would have given them one.

The current Administration is trying to repair relations. I hope they are able to improve the rest of the World's view and get them to realize that we won't put up with attacks like what happen on 9-11-01.

Hopefully we will be able to get out of Afghanistan in the next four years also. I'll be shocked if we are out of Iraq and Afghanistan by 2012. If it happens...and the economy is doing well...I bet PBHO wins another term.

LosAngelesSooner
10/19/2009, 12:33 AM
Oh yeah? Well let me tell you what you don't know. You don't enough about politics to actually carry on a decent intelligent, mature conversation without negging and flame baiting people. Why do you have to act like such a creep? It amazes me that you get by with this. If you neg me 4 or 5 times in a row again, I'm calling in all my pals to have a neg fest on you because I don't think reporting you would do much good.I have intelligent, rational, conversations with intelligent, rational, people.

I neg and flame bait closed-minded, tin foil hat wearing, partisan hack job, Christian fundamentalist, wingnut zealots. Especially the ones who hide behind their Internet buddies and pseudo-niceness they presume should be given to them by simply wearing an apron.

Call your pals to fight your Internet battles, if that makes you like a complete person. I quit caring about your little cabal of mud slingers about four years ago. ;)


Don't mess with Mama...Heh. Like I care. :D

LosAngelesSooner
10/19/2009, 12:38 AM
What is it you suppose the evangelicals want to do to use the fed govt. to impose moral beliefs on the populace?
Absolutely. They've tried it before, are trying it now, and will continue to try to impose their moral beliefs upon the populace.


What religious dogma have the Christians forced upon the nation?
The outlawing of homosexual marriage is one example of religious dogma imposing its will upon the nation.

The move to outlaw abortion is another.

Prohibition is another.

I could go on...

MamaMia
10/19/2009, 01:16 AM
LAS, you are without a doubt the most trouble making shallow minded excuse for a human being that I have ever encountered on the internet, and I cant think of a whole lot of people who don't agree with me.

SicEmBaylor
10/19/2009, 01:41 AM
1)this is the one I can't get enough of, esp coming from a conservative. What is it you suppose the evangelicals want to do to use the fed govt. to impose moral beliefs on the populace?
2)Let's hear what defines right-wing

One need only exam the Terry Schivo case to see the degree to which the Evangelical movement uses its influences over the GOP to advance their ideas.

Add to that their efforts to ban gay marriage, nationally, via constitutional amendment or statutory means.

Then there's stem cell research which has a valid conservative argument against it but not the religious sort.

On top of all that you have what JM described as a general attempt to evangelize the nation and those elected politicians who are beholden to the movement and use the power and influence of their office to promote their agenda.

As for what right-wing means...
The term is very loaded because it means something different depending on the political context and the country, but in very general terms it describes any movement opposed to any political movement that promotes social change, liberalization (and I don't mean that in strictly the American sense although that's included), etc.

Right-wing is such a hugely generalized term that it should go without saying that you can assign many many different political groups and ideologies the moniker. I think it's a safe statement to make that every conservative is, naturally, on the right-wing but not every person on the right-wing is necessarily strictly conservative. It also depends a lot on context. For example, the strong nationalistic aspect of neo-conservatism clearly puts them on the right-wing; however, their desire to strengthen the size of the central government, their belief in a strong American international presence, and their general apathy for traditionally conservative domestic issues exclude them from conservatism. They're certainly right-wing, but they aren't, strictly speaking, conservative.

LosAngelesSooner
10/19/2009, 02:21 AM
LAS, you are without a doubt the most trouble making shallow minded excuse for a human being that I have ever encountered on the internet, and I cant think of a whole lot of people who don't agree with me.:rolleyes:

I'm crushed you think that way.

Really.

I

swear.

I mean...all the people "you can think of" agree with you on something.

Color...me...surprised.

:D

Petro-Sooner
10/19/2009, 02:32 AM
I'm "supposedly" on his ignore list so he wont mind me posting this.

Mama is right on!

Plus he claims he doesnt care about spek. :rolleyes:

I'll let everyone know when the neg shows up.

proud gonzo
10/19/2009, 02:59 AM
she wasn't watching U2 kick ***, that's for sure!

SicEmBaylor
10/19/2009, 03:08 AM
she wasn't watching U2 kick ***, that's for sure!

Who? Terri Schiavo?

You're mean.

LosAngelesSooner
10/19/2009, 05:00 AM
I'm "supposedly" on his ignore list so he wont mind me posting this.

Mama is right on!

Plus he claims he doesnt care about spek. :rolleyes:

I'll let everyone know when the neg shows up.:rolleyes:

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif

KABOOKIE
10/19/2009, 06:31 AM
You're such a sad person. Really, you need a another perma bane. How about you go take the good-fight to the democratic underground where those open-minded people will give a ****? Oh I know why you won't, because you love being the dick.


Speaking of 4 years ago... Your schtick is getting quite old.

MamaMia
10/19/2009, 07:41 AM
:rolleyes:

I'm crushed you think that way.

Really.

I

swear.

I mean...all the people "you can think of" agree with you on something.

Color...me...surprised.

:D Lovely come back LAS. You have obviously had a lot of practice at people disliking you.

SanJoaquinSooner
10/19/2009, 08:36 AM
LAS, you are without a doubt the most trouble making shallow minded excuse for a human being that I have ever encountered on the internet, and I cant think of a whole lot of people who don't agree with me.

Why are you attacking LAS personally, instead of attacking his argument?

Tulsa_Fireman
10/19/2009, 08:39 AM
Since when was the Terry Schaivo (sp) case about religious hacks trying to enforce dogma through legislation?

Public reaction is one thing. But the case proper, I don't recall any aspect whatsoever that showed either side trying to strongarm decisions to support/promote a dogmatic decisions as applicable under the law.

def_lazer_fc
10/19/2009, 08:45 AM
Why are you attacking LAS personally, instead of attacking his argument?

i think some of us know why.

StoopTroup
10/19/2009, 09:28 AM
It makes for good SO fodder?

Is there a prize for best answer?

C&CDean
10/19/2009, 09:53 AM
What a meh thread. Goodnight.