This would have never happened...

[the_ouskull]

...if Bob Stoops were still alive. Discuss.

the_ouskull

[UTsucks]

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[colleyvillesooner]

Thought this was gonna be our first Mike Stoops thread. Those are always fun.

[iwannabelikesam]

The fake FG showed BS is still alive. After that though, I don't know...

[colleyvillesooner]

Loved the fake FG call.

[okcusooner]

...if Bob Stoops were still alive. Discuss.

the_ouskull

Oh. He's still alive...and going to make about $4 million bucks this year. The question that needs to be asked is whether the university if getting it's money's worth?

I say no. Stoops is not in the same class as the other 4 million dollar men: Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer. Hurts to say it, but it is true

[MyT Oklahoma]

It hurts to say it because it is true and no kidding aside.

I was surprised to hear from a friend in Columbus OH that Tressel is under big time criticism following the USC game. I mean after all he has made their program a success except for winning the really big games.

I love Bob Stoops as an individual but let's face it he hasn't got it done for longer than any of us want to admit. If we don't win a bowl game this year it will be our first Senior class in I don't remember how long who will have graduated and lost all of their 4 bowl games.

Win.. lose or tie (and yeah I know we don't play ties any more) its Bob who gets the credit for the wins and he also has to take the responsibility when we lose.

P.S. Two weeks to get ready for tonight and yet our coaches still couldn't do any better than this? Give me a break.

[soonervegas]

Its the kryptonite.....Coach V

[SOONER44EVER]

Big Game Bob is long gone. Remember when he was like 9-0 against the top 10 teams or something like that? I'm pretty sure he is below 50% now.:(

[the_ouskull]

I have to admit, even I, as abnormally positive as I usually am, questioned our decision to keep passing the ball when 1) we were running it fairly well, and 2) we had a backup QB, TE, and our 3rd string WR running 1st team, while our 3rd string tailback was our 2nd WR.

I just don't understand why our supposedly awesome defense is allergic to wrapping up? Why their pursuit was for sh*t tonight? I don't understand why 5-star players lose the games that 2 and 3-star players won for us.

I'm kidding. I totally understand. Take Granger. He came to OU as a 5-star, do-it-all guy. Now he's a 4-star, git r dun guy, and it's f*cking depressing...

the_ouskull

[Jdog]

anyone what to buy a Bad Game Bob t-shirt?

Following ou is like riding a rollercoster. two years we're good one year we go backward.
I agree, its kind of hard to be hungry when your making that kind of money a year. Is he worth it - no.
His #1 priority is to win the conference - so we can average 3 loses per year.

Compare the altenative- Texas - they average 1.5 loses but they only have one conference title.

PS: Miami exposed our Defense tonight. Watch Texas run the same kind of plays - They are a good fit for McCoy. The only deference is that he'll do it better because he's mobile

[VA Sooner]

Granger is out for the year with a bad back. Broyles, Bradford, Gresham... out.

The injuries are stacking up.

A lot of bad luck this year, beyond our control, unlike car-dealership deals.

Who's going to step up next week and more importantly, in two weeks?

Still a lot of football to play... but even more issues with injuries and mistake-prone players to contend with before we're close to what we should be.

[josh09]

Oh. He's still alive...and going to make about $4 million bucks this year. The question that needs to be asked is whether the university if getting it's money's worth?

I say no. Stoops is not in the same class as the other 4 million dollar men: Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer. Hurts to say it, but it is true

Heeeeeeeere we go

[rawlingsHOH]

Take Granger. He came to OU as a 5-star, do-it-all guy. Now he's a 4-star, git r dun guy, and it's f*cking depressing...

You being serious?

[wishbonesooner]

Heeeeeeeere we go

Yep, in a state where lots of folks are hurting from the weak economy, a guy making 4 mil is going to catch a lot of grief when he's isn't earning his money. And Bob isn't. We needed to play inspired last night, and again, it was just a so-so performance. It wasn't bad, but not 4 million dollars good.

[Okie35]

Yep, in a state where lots of folks are hurting from the weak economy, a guy making 4 mil is going to catch a lot of grief when he's isn't earning his money. And Bob isn't. We needed to play inspired last night, and again, it was just a so-so performance. It wasn't bad, but not 4 million dollars good.

There are coaches that get paid the same that do less than anything Stoops ever accomplished. Charlie Weiss... Nick Saban now... and Les Miles.

[wishbonesooner]

Weiss doesn't make what Bob does. And I'm sorry, but Les and Saban have done just as much as Bob has. Hurts to admit it, but that 2000 NC was a long time ago.

[Since71ASooner4Life]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

[Okie35]

Weiss doesn't make what Bob does. And I'm sorry, but Les and Saban have done just as much as Bob has. Hurts to admit it, but that 2000 NC was a long time ago.

It was this decade and still apart of this bull**** BCS system. Weiss does make around what Bob does check the Forbes list. Why did you think so many ppl wanted him fired? So, when Stoops ever gets that bad then I'll question his money. Les Miles only won ONE Sec Title game I recall. Saban only won 1 too. Sure Stoops, Saban, and Miles have 1 title under there belt. Conference wise nobody is even in the same league as Stoops... well besides Myers and Carroll.

[Sooner70]

The reason it happened is apparently Franks and/or Clayton busted their coverage assignments midway in the 3Q allowing Travis Benjamin to get wide open to an easy TD.

In a game like this, this kind of mistake can make a big difference, and it did. Coaches job is to coach. Players job is to execute. Both these guys are good players blew it on this one play, and that's what made the difference. The turnover turned to a TD & all the penalties sure didn't help, but this was a killer.

[ashley]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

Finally someone with the right perspective.

[CrimsonJim]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

This! ^^^

[oudivesherpa]

...if Bob Stoops were still alive. Discuss.

the_ouskull

Could you ever tell the difference?


But, I'd take a dead Bob Stoops over an alive Mack Brown.

[GottaHavePride]

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total?

I'll answer a question with a question:

Do you think that, even if Sam, Broyles, and Gresham had been in the game at 100%, our O-Line could have kept Sam vertical for long enough to complete more passes than Landry did?

[Soonerus]

Hey, since he was Big Game Bob at some point, he is still Big Game Bob...you don't lose that with the passage of time or because of a few unfortunate losses..

[GottaHavePride]

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY how you lose a nickname.

[aero]

Its cliche now to talk about what we lost when we lost Mike S. but theres so much truth to it. Look at the first 4 or 5 years of Stoops at OU. Seems we had a different O coordinator every year and the D had a bad attitude. Seems the last few years the coaching staff has become stale, almost seemingly playing to not lose instead of to win. I've always thought the way to success was to surround yourself with the best people you can and I don't think Bob has that. And the list of personnel changes is not just 1. I appreciate all of the coaches who've contributed to OU but change is inevitable and necessary. Texas figured it out with their D. You know Bobby Jack was at Texas before he came here. He's a good guy but I was surprised when Bob hired him. And now I feel like we and Texas have gone through some weird dimension thing and have reversed our places in the universe. Another year, more great expectations, another great D on paper, another year of let downs and poor performances. Once again, to me, its on the coaches. I don't want to see Bob gone but I have thought we needed coaching changes for a few years now. Thats just the way it is.

[the_ouskull]

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY how you lose a nickname.

Si.

the_ouskull

[DMAFB_Sooner08]

You guys are nuts, this is why I dont come to the board after a loss, but dumb me thought I would stop by. Ok lets fire Bob Stoops, who the hell do we hire? I agree there are some changes that need to be made, but firing Bob Stoops is not one of them. Look at all the conference championships he has, and I think he will still get one this year. A lot has not went OUr way this year, and thats what needs to happen on a march to a MNC, and those things have not happened. Settle down, take a walk with the dog or something and get ready for the return of Sam!

[the_ouskull]

I'd personally, now that I've had a half an hour of sleep or so to calm my nerves, like to see Bob scorch the Earth and start over. Start by getting Miami's Offensive Coordinator. He called a heck of a game, no? He out-coached Brent V. anyway...

As for our offensive playcalling... when even the announcers are screaming for play-action, it says a lot about our diversity. They were teeing the f*ck off on our runs because our line and our playcalling, there was no reason for them NOT to. Their defensive coordinator might be wearing Wilson's smoking jacket and wedding ring, even still. He certainly ate his food and drank his beer. We got outcoached, and our players got out-played. I don't want to lay all of the blame at Stoops' doorstep, but I'm just doing what he told us to do ten, eleven years ago. "No excuses," right?

Why are so many of YOU comfortable making them for him?

the_ouskull

[Since71ASooner4Life]

I'll answer a question with a question:

Do you think that, even if Sam, Broyles, and Gresham had been in the game at 100%, our O-Line could have kept Sam vertical for long enough to complete more passes than Landry did?


Landry Jones is not the returning Heismann Trophy winner nor is he as good. Do you see that differently?

One of those injured players is part of the reason the line has not played well. Or do you think Gresham has not been missed on the line?

[GottaHavePride]

Landry Jones is not the returning Heismann Trophy winner nor is he as good. Do you see that differently?

One of those injured players is part of the reason the line has not played well. Or do you think Gresham has not been missed on the line?

Yes. Landry is not Sam. I get that. I also saw a LOT of blitzers running straight through our o-line untouched. In some cases they ran straight past guards and tackles who were busy blocking air at the moment.

[IronHorseSooner]

Coach Stoops isn't the problem, but he need some changes. KW has outlived his welcome. You play to win, not to "just get by." Coach Heupel could be really good, and could energize that offense. On D, the best mind there is Coach Shipp. Those D linemen do develop while they are there. I don't know if Coach Venables needs to go, but there needs to be some new blood in there. Sometimes, organizations, not just the Sooner Coaching Staff, need a chage up, so as not to get complacent. It happens in business, government, colleges, the military, and churches. Those who leave move on to other jobs where they can get another start. If Coach Stoops could help KW land another job somewhere, he would. Maybe he needs to go back to the Big 10/11, but where would he go? PSU, tOSU, Michigan, NW, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisky, and Indiana seem to happy, or at least content, with their situations. Purdue just made a change. MSU just beat Michigan, which keeps the wolves at bay for a while there. The only one that I would think would be on the hot seat would be Zook at Illinois. After they went to the Rose Bowl, they just haven't even looked competitive, and they do have talent. KW won't go to the SEC, and there's nowhere for him to go in the PAC-10(even Wazzu has an alum trying to turn things around). He could go to Louisville in the Big East (everybody else is standing pat), or Virginia in the ACC (same as the Big East). In our conference, CU would be the only one where he might go, and his style would probably fit in up there. None of the major non-BCS schools are looking right now. So that would leave his options as Louisville, UVA, Illinois, Colorado, or a lateral move to be another OC somewhere else.

[Johnny Utah]

Coach Stoops isn't the problem, but he need some changes. KW has outlived his welcome. You play to win, not to "just get by." Coach Heupel could be really good, and could energize that offense. On D, the best mind there is Coach Shipp. Those D linemen do develop while they are there. I don't know if Coach Venables needs to go, but there needs to be some new blood in there. Sometimes, organizations, not just the Sooner Coaching Staff, need a chage up, so as not to get complacent. It happens in business, government, colleges, the military, and churches. Those who leave move on to other jobs where they can get another start. If Coach Stoops could help KW land another job somewhere, he would. Maybe he needs to go back to the Big 10/11, but where would he go? PSU, tOSU, Michigan, NW, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisky, and Indiana seem to happy, or at least content, with their situations. Purdue just made a change. MSU just beat Michigan, which keeps the wolves at bay for a while there. The only one that I would think would be on the hot seat would be Zook at Illinois. After they went to the Rose Bowl, they just haven't even looked competitive, and they do have talent. KW won't go to the SEC, and there's nowhere for him to go in the PAC-10(even Wazzu has an alum trying to turn things around). He could go to Louisville in the Big East (everybody else is standing pat), or Virginia in the ACC (same as the Big East). In our conference, CU would be the only one where he might go, and his style would probably fit in up there. None of the major non-BCS schools are looking right now. So that would leave his options as Louisville, UVA, Illinois, Colorado, or a lateral move to be another OC somewhere else.

Good post ... I'm curious why you think KW won't go to the SEC?

[boomersooner2001]

I'd personally, now that I've had a half an hour of sleep or so to calm my nerves, like to see Bob scorch the Earth and start over. Start by getting Miami's Offensive Coordinator. He called a heck of a game, no? He out-coached Brent V. anyway...

As for our offensive playcalling... when even the announcers are screaming for play-action, it says a lot about our diversity. They were teeing the f*ck off on our runs because our line and our playcalling, there was no reason for them NOT to. Their defensive coordinator might be wearing Wilson's smoking jacket and wedding ring, even still. He certainly ate his food and drank his beer. We got outcoached, and our players got out-played. I don't want to lay all of the blame at Stoops' doorstep, but I'm just doing what he told us to do ten, eleven years ago. "No excuses," right?

Why are so many of YOU comfortable making them for him?

the_ouskull

From the LA Times, December 2, 1998....
Bob Stoops, a defensive specialist who played a part in rebuilding Kansas State and helped lead Florida to a national title, was hired Tuesday as Oklahoma's football coach.

It's the first head coaching job for Stoops. He replaced John Blake, who was fired Nov. 22 after a 12-22 record in three seasons.

"I shall not shy away from the expectations that you have at Oklahoma," Stoops said after he was introduced at a news conference in Norman, Okla. "There are no excuses. You succeed or you don't."

[stoopified]

Bob is not in the same class with Petey? God,I hope not.PC has a team full of thugs and mercenaries that the NCAA seems to be ignoring for some strange reason.Les and Saban...well they each have an NC but I am pretty sur they don't have 6 conference titles (even combined),Saban also has the same 4-6 bowl record Bob does.

All this whining about coaches and players especially after (2) one point losses with critical players out of the lineup makes me sick.Support the team(players and coaches) win or lose or find someone else to root for.This reminds me of the lynch mobs after Barry during 7-4-1.8-4,8-4 consecutive seasons('81-'83).I HATE LOSING BUT I HATE WHINERS MORE.iF YOU HAVE ANY REAL IDEAS TO HELP ,CALL BOB 7-8PM TUESDAY NIGHT 1-877-600-6432.

[DeadSolidPerfect]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

You don't understand though, all 85 scholarship players on OU's team are 5-star 5th year seniors and interchangable.

[the_ouskull]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

If you're not smart enough to run out and take a joke, I'm pretty sure that Amazon.com will deliver one to your doorstep.

I don't know if having Sam would have helped or not. Landry has a lot fewer miles on his body, and could "soak up" those hits a little better than Sam. Go back and look at Trent Williams, et al.. and their bullfighter audition tape from last night and tell me that our line would have done any better with Sam back there.

Go back and look at our defense over-running plays, and then not showing any pursuit once the play got past them and tell me that we still have an All-World defense.

What I'm saying is that the Bob Stoops of 2009 is not the same person, and, more importantly, the same COACH, that he was in 1999, and it is starting to show more and more every year.

Ask this year's seniors how they feel about their bowl record. They'll probably hem and haw through some rehearsed line about team goals, and constantly trying to improve, etc...

How's about they improve enough to win a bowl? Is it the players, or the coaches, or both? It's something. Is it the fans? (I'm sure that many of you would like to try to say that it's "fans like me" that are the cause of all of the world's ills, but, I'm not a sunshine-pumper or a Stoops apologist. I just want 1999 Bob Stoops back. He didn't accept the basic mistakes that these players are making. He didn't accept poor decisions. He didn't accept losing the way that this team, and its players, now seem to.

So, once again, why are you, as fans, okay with accepting it?

the_ouskull

[FaninAma]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.
You might have a point if the Byu and
Miami games were the first time this
coaching staff has gone into the fetal
position in a close game against a decent
opponent.

But it isn't and you don't.

[TXBOOMER]

It was this decade and still apart of this bull**** BCS system. Weiss does make around what Bob does check the Forbes list. Why did you think so many ppl wanted him fired? So, when Stoops ever gets that bad then I'll question his money. Les Miles only won ONE Sec Title game I recall. Saban only won 1 too. Sure Stoops, Saban, and Miles have 1 title under there belt. Conference wise nobody is even in the same league as Stoops... well besides Myers and Carroll.

Injuries suck and Stoops is a good coach. But, comparing Big 12 titles against SEC titles is stretching it. Generally, comes down to the OU/texass winner against a shatty team. I don't think Miles is as good of a coach as Stoops (maybe because I hate the goober sucker) but I like Saban and Myers in game coaching on the road better than any coaches in the league. But then again if you take their QB's, and 2 changing players away who knows how good they are.

[Sooner24]

This is a great thread.

Two 1-point losses to quality opponents, with the best QB in the country and an NFL tight End on the sideline (Oh, did I mention the best wide out there tonight also?) and we're ready to shoot one of the top coaches in the country.

Question: does anyone think that having THOSE injured players in the game might have contributed (2) additional points to our total? Would we shoot that coach if he were then 4-0 and probably ranked #3 ?

Yup, awesome thread.

That would only give them a few less weeks to whine and cry until we did lose a game. Everyone that is wanting Stoops gone just needs to start rooting for the team that never loses a game. Wait a minute there isn't one of those. :rolleyes:

[Sooner24]

I'll answer a question with a question:

Do you think that, even if Sam, Broyles, and Gresham had been in the game at 100%, our O-Line could have kept Sam vertical for long enough to complete more passes than Landry did?

YES!!!

Next question.

[Hotrod3157]

I just want 1999 Bob Stoops back. He didn't accept the basic mistakes that these players are making. He didn't accept poor decisions. He didn't accept losing the way that this team, and its players, now seem to.

So, once again, why are you, as fans, okay with accepting it?

the_ouskull

I'm with you on this one. I'm not one for saying run Bob out of town but I do think its time for a coaching staff shake up. Yes I know the defense hasn't allowed that many points and the offense is way down due to injury. The reason I think its time for some changes is that as the years have gone by mistakes have become more and more acceptable. Mistakes were not tolerated by anybody when Bob first got here and it resulted in big time players sittin the bench for a little while for a miscue.

I have no doubt we would be 4-0 if not for injuries but it would have been a really ugly 4-0 and I wouldn't like our chances against a true elite team this year. Maybe I'm totally wrong when it comes to the mistakes but I know some other people have to see it and feel the same way too.