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Chuck Bao
9/28/2009, 04:23 PM
This MSNBC article is shocking, at least it is to me. I mean the implications are staggering:

• Permanent loss of millions of jobs.
• Unemployment won’t decline to a more normal 5% until 2014.
• New job creations by US corporations will largely be for their cheaper overseas operations.
• Americans are willing to work longer and harder for less salary and be thankful for that.
• Aging Americans have no choice but to postpone their retirement, little thanks to their hard work for 40+ years.
• There is no such thing as job security.
• Meanwhile, the traitors get huge bonuses for lowering short-term costs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33020534/ns/business-reinventing_america/

This isn’t a political thread, but I can’t bite my tongue. What was started under the Clinton administration, particularly his allowing China to devalue its currency against the US dollar, set into motion the biggest flow of capital in the history of mankind. The flood gates were further opened up in the eight years of the Bush administration with no pause for thought about the longer term implications. The capitalistic system that built our great country has turned on us and may indeed destroy our way of life.

Is socialism good? The vast majority of you will say no. It is not surprising that you want to go back to the optimism of the 80s, 90s and early 00s when there was faith in the advent of new technology and the American worker being the most productive and efficient in the world. Get a clue. We cannot rewind time and go back to some golden era.

Our corporations have sold us out. They have exported the technology, as well as our jobs.

Our world has changed and it is not Obama and it is not socialism. In my view, it is surviving.

Alright, neg me into Bolivia.


Great Recession transforms the workplace
Most enduring change may be the permanent loss of millions of jobs

updated 12:25 p.m. ET Sept. 27, 2009

Going to work may never be the same again.

The Great Recession has reshaped the American workplace and work force in ways that will last years, if not longer.

The work force is graying as college graduates can't find jobs, young workers get laid off and older workers delay retirement. People in white-collar jobs are feeling increasingly vulnerable to economic downturns, an insecurity that blue-collar workers have known for years.

Perhaps the most enduring change is the permanent loss of millions of jobs across the manufacturing, services and retail sectors.

For textile factories and service sector employers like customer service call centers, the next wave of significant job creation will occur abroad, where labor is cheaper. That trend was under way before the recession and will accelerate, according to labor economists. Americans who would have held these jobs will have to retrain themselves for other jobs, such as assembling microchips and medical devices.

For retailers, growth will be limited by more cautious consumer spending, in part because the days of easy credit are over. That means fewer retail clerks milling about stores around the holidays, and fewer merchandise buyers and other staff jobs at headquarters.

"We're in a very deep jobs crisis, and we're not coming out of it," says William George, professor of management at Harvard Business School. "It's too glib to say that jobs are a lagging indicator" and that hiring will return to normal once the economy does, he says.

The national unemployment rate, now 9.7 percent, is forecast to rise above 10 percent before the end of the year and isn't expected to return to a "normal" level near 5 percent until 2014.

Furloughs, fewer hours
Of course, layoffs aren't the only thing transforming the workplace.

The need to cut costs deeply and quickly has forced businesses to get creative — not just go the easy route of layoffs. It's the central responsibility of managers these days, says Alec Levenson, a research specialist with the Center for Effective Organizations at the University of Southern California.

Through furloughs, fewer shifts and other cutbacks, employers have reduced the average work week to a near-record low of 33.1 hours.

About 400 workers at Nebraska meatpacker Premium Protein Products were told this week they will remain on unpaid furloughs for at least another two weeks, having been on unpaid leave since June. States also have joined in, with Utah State University asking employees to take a furlough next summer after taking a weeklong furlough last spring.

Reducing hours of all workers instead of eliminating jobs of a few is a strategy that had slowly been gaining favor in recent years because it saved companies money in several ways: It reduced the need for severance packages, as well as the cost to rehire and train these new workers once the economy rebounded.

The practice became much more widespread during last year's financial crisis and is likely to be repeated in future recessions, says Peter Cappelli, professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business.

Workers aren't necessarily complaining.

Bonnie Gerard, a business developer with the Knowledge Institute consulting firm in Exeter, N.H., has seen her work week cut from five days to four. That's made it harder to keep up with paying bills. But it beats losing the job. And, she acknowledges, it's made her more efficient.

"It keeps you more focused on the days you're here," she says. "You've still got the same goals, whether you're here four days or five days, and you've got to do the work."

No matter how creative companies get at cost-cutting, or how strong the recovery is, millions of jobs will never come back, George, the Harvard professor, says.

Over the past year, the U.S. non-farm payroll has shrunk to about 131 million people, a decline of more than 5.8 million auto workers, stock brokers, bankers, landscapers, carpenters, truckers, journalists, mechanics, cooks, maids and more. More than 1.6 million manufacturing jobs have disappeared in the last 12 months, along with 1 million construction jobs and 435,000 financial sector jobs.

In low-skilled manufacturing, the U.S. can't compete with countries like China, India or Mexico where labor costs are a fraction of those here. Likewise, cost pressures will continue to push information technology jobs overseas.

Worker retraining
American workers will need to be retrained in the coming years to have a shot at the jobs that will be created. George says these jobs will require specialized knowledge, such as how to install energy-saving systems in buildings.

Community colleges and vocational schools that train people for such jobs could become as important as four-year universities.

"There are a lot of good people who are really stuck," says John Challenger, chief executive of the outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas. "They've been out of work for a long time, and that's made it all the harder for them to compete because they have to explain why they have not been chosen."

A record 4.98 million people had been out of work 27 weeks or longer in August, in part because this recession, which started in December 2007, has stretched longer than any since World War II.

That has forced a record number of people into part-time work. People forced to work part-time jobs because they can't get full-time positions has jumped 54 percent from a year ago to 9 million.

For those who still have a full-time job, flexibility is key.

At a factory that makes foundry equipment in suburban Birmingham, teams that once did specific jobs — welding, grinding castings, fitting parts, assembling machines — have had to learn multiple skills.

The shop, which once had 150 workers, now employs only 30.

"The ones we have now have to do it all," foreman Gerry Peoples says. That includes sweeping the floors since the janitors were laid off. "This is probably going to linger for years," says Peoples, who has survived two rounds of cuts and is down to a 32-hour work week.

Lost job security
About 40 percent of workers are now over 55 or older, the highest level since it was 40.8 percent in 1961, according to a Pew Research Center survey released this summer. More workers are delaying retirement for economic and personal reasons, locking up jobs that are sought by younger workers entering the work force.

Years ago, Jerry Bannister, 67, anticipated a more leisurely routine at his age. He oversees 10 maintenance workers at the Mays Chapel Ridge retirement community and has no plan to quit soon. He took the job seven years ago, after working 38 years at a Bethlehem Steel plant.

His Social Security and retirement benefits might be enough to live on, but he couldn't quit without making big changes to his lifestyle, such as cutting out vacations and golf.

"When I get to a point where I say, 'You know, I'm as old as the residents,' then it's time to step down," Bannister says.

Fewer workers these days feel as confident as Bannister does about controlling their destiny.

Job security has diminished after every recession since the 1970s, says David Lipsky, professor at Cornell University's School of Industrial and Labor Relations.

As workers fought to get their jobs back, unions dropped long-held contract provisions like cost-of-living adjustments and job-security clauses, he says. That contributed to declining union membership, further weakening workers' bargaining position with employers.

Among white-collar workers, job security began to disappear in the recession of the early 1990s as technology allowed jobs to be shipped abroad. It may be gone now.

Over the past year, the unemployment rate jumped 64 percent for managers and professionals like lawyers, doctors and fund managers. That compares with a 56 percent increase in overall unemployment, according to Labor Department data.

Among people with a bachelor's degree or higher, the unemployment rate is still low at 4.7 percent, but it's up from 2.7 percent a year ago.

For some younger white-collar workers, job insecurity is so high that just hanging on has replaced asking for a raise or a promotion.

Rusty Meador, 35, a development manager at Plantation Building Corp., a construction company in Wilmington, N.C., walks past empty desks daily. He once worked in the office as a general manager and had a team of project leaders who reported to him from the field. Now he's back on job sites, doing the work of laid-off colleagues — without a word of complaint. Even if the economy turns around, the memory of this recession will stick with him.

"You're so grateful to have a job," he says.

OUHOMER
9/28/2009, 04:49 PM
Your right, this did not happen overnight. Do think the way the stock market has put pressure on corporation to make more money no matter the cost is the biggest problem. Or is greed just as equally responsible.

Chuck Bao
9/28/2009, 05:27 PM
Your right, this did not happen overnight. Do think the way the stock market has put pressure on corporation to make more money no matter the cost is the biggest problem. Or is greed just as equally responsible.

In my opinion, it is both. It is also due to arrogance that the US would always be on top of the heap and these corporations thinking that their own little investment overseas wouldn't so severely affect so many American lives.

Personally, I love any campaign of buying "MADE IN THE USA". Okay, I realize that that isn't so easy given the international chain of manufacturing. Still, we have to take it back one step at a time and US consumers have huge clout. BUY AMERICAN! Boycott stores that sell more than 50% of their merchandise produced overseas. IT COULD WORK.

The alternative is much too sad to think about.

Frozen Sooner
9/28/2009, 05:32 PM
Propensity of Chinese to save and their refusal to let their currency float destroyed 0 risk yields and kept current accounts completely out of whack.

Demand for higher yields on "0" risk securities led to expansion of RMBS and CDS market, especially naked CDS's. Institutional investors thought that AAA or super senior meant "0" risk when in fact those tranches were "minimal move in the market can really **** your VAR."

Kerflooey.

Chuck Bao
9/28/2009, 06:02 PM
Propensity of Chinese to save and their refusal to let their currency float destroyed 0 risk yields and kept current accounts completely out of whack.

Demand for higher yields on "0" risk securities led to expansion of RMBS and CDS market, especially naked CDS's. Institutional investors thought that AAA or super senior meant "0" risk when in fact those tranches were "minimal move in the market can really **** your VAR."

Kerflooey.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. There is no way anyone can blame China and the current imbalance of trade for the unimaginable and inexplicable lack of judgment by US financial institutions in selling clearly faulty and substandard assets. Maybe that is more of the arrogance, but I would hope that some of these people should be prosecuted for their culpablility in promoting what should be clearly seen as bad investments.

Chuck Bao
9/28/2009, 06:09 PM
Deer lawd, I'm still getting job applicants taught in the old school, theoretic way that US government bonds are the risk free rate used in securities valuations. Just throw away all of the textbooks, please. It is all pretty stupid.

SanJoaquinSooner
9/28/2009, 06:33 PM
In my opinion, it is both. It is also due to arrogance that the US would always be on top of the heap and these corporations thinking that their own little investment overseas wouldn't so severely affect so many American lives.

Personally, I love any campaign of buying "MADE IN THE USA". Okay, I realize that that isn't so easy given the international chain of manufacturing. Still, we have to take it back one step at a time and US consumers have huge clout. BUY AMERICAN! Boycott stores that sell more than 50% of their merchandise produced overseas. IT COULD WORK.

The alternative is much too sad to think about.

I'll pass on the $7000 "MADE IN THE USA" plasma TVs.

Chuck, I drive a chevy that was made in OKC. And you?

Frozen Sooner
9/28/2009, 06:56 PM
I'm not sure what you are talking about. There is no way anyone can blame China and the current imbalance of trade for the unimaginable and inexplicable lack of judgment by US financial institutions in selling clearly faulty and substandard assets. Maybe that is more of the arrogance, but I would hope that some of these people should be prosecuted for their culpablility in promoting what should be clearly seen as bad investments.

No blame. Just an observation. Value creation through innovative products caused by Chinese money sloshing around. Moral hazard from both naked CDSs and originate and distribute models. Fundamentally flawed VAR models that weighted recent activity too heavily.

Typing on phone sucks.

Chuck Bao
9/28/2009, 07:52 PM
No blame. Just an observation. Value creation through innovative products caused by Chinese money sloshing around. Moral hazard from both naked CDSs and originate and distribute models. Fundamentally flawed VAR models that weighted recent activity too heavily.

Typing on phone sucks.

I get the Chinese angle on the real sector, manufacturing and job loss. I do not get the Chinese angle on propping up our bloated financial system. Maybe if the Chinese are as smart as you may think they are, they wouldn't have allowed us to kill ourselves with debt. But, I think you are giving the Chinese too much credit. They put money back into our financial system because that money had no place else to go and it was in their own self interest to get the main economic engine going.

Okay, what did I miss?

Cam
9/28/2009, 08:20 PM
I hope like it returns, I'm getting laid off in November. :(

OUHOMER
9/28/2009, 08:50 PM
I hope like it returns, I'm getting laid off in November. :(

Dude, sorry to hear that. Hopefully another door will open for you.

bluedogok
9/28/2009, 08:55 PM
In my opinion, it is both. It is also due to arrogance that the US would always be on top of the heap and these corporations thinking that their own little investment overseas wouldn't so severely affect so many American lives.

Personally, I love any campaign of buying "MADE IN THE USA". Okay, I realize that that isn't so easy given the international chain of manufacturing. Still, we have to take it back one step at a time and US consumers have huge clout. BUY AMERICAN! Boycott stores that sell more than 50% of their merchandise produced overseas. IT COULD WORK.

The alternative is much too sad to think about.
Too many corporations and stockholders have acted like they live in a vacuum all these years and didn't realize how everything is tied together. I have been saying for years that the pressure to grow margins every quarter was going to come back and bite all those living on false wealth. With our economy going to pretty much nothing but a consumption based economy and every corporation only looking out for only short term results (as demanded by investors, especially the institutional variety) that they were going to erode the very purchasing power that their profits relied on. Once you cut enough jobs that people are only buying necessities then our entire economic structure will fail. As soon as you quit producing more than you consume, it is a zero sum game...and the beginning of game over. All because of short sighted investors and hired gun corporate suits.

Frozen Sooner
9/28/2009, 09:41 PM
I get the Chinese angle on the real sector, manufacturing and job loss. I do not get the Chinese angle on propping up our bloated financial system. Maybe if the Chinese are as smart as you may think they are, they wouldn't have allowed us to kill ourselves with debt. But, I think you are giving the Chinese too much credit. They put money back into our financial system because that money had no place else to go and it was in their own self interest to get the main economic engine going.

Okay, what did I miss?

Sorry, the phone typing made everything too choppy to communicate my point. I wasn't blaming anything on the Chinese other than indirectly.

The Chinese have built up a huge current account surplus. Unlike most countries who build up huge current accounts in the past, they haven't used that surplus on infrastructure or foreign goods. Instead, they've pegged their currency and used the current account surplus to buy US Treasuries.

The increased demand for US Treasuries has driven up prices and dropped yields. The low yield on US Treasuries has driven investment banks into playing with exotic securities and derivatives to get an extra sliver of yield for their customers. The ones that blew up are CDOs and CDSs, in particular RMBS CDOs and CDSs. The worst part was the moral hazard created by unscrupulous originate-and-distribute mortgage bankers having no incentive to properly underwrite and people holding naked CDSs.

You're absolutely right-the investment banks were pushing products backed by shaky collateral. A large part of that was that 1) they didn't listen when the credit rating agencies kept saying that the rating of the tranche was just a grading of the credit behind the paper underlying the tranche, not a judgment on whether the tranche was actually a hold-to-invest grade security and 2) the VAR formulae everyone was using gave too much weight to the recent history of the markets and eventually stopped paying much attention to beta.

By no means do I pretend to be an expert on this, I'm just reading a TON of stuff on what happened last year for class. Like 200+ pages per night over the last week. That's just my understanding of what went on and how the bubble got created.

If you have anything that I'm missing out on here, feel free to fill in gaps in what I've got here.

I wasn't blaming the Chinese-certainly, I doubt that it was intentional. The money was sloshing around and had to get invested somewhere.

Half a Hundred
9/28/2009, 10:34 PM
It's the problem of technology - at some point, we're developed enough to provide all of society's needs without requiring the work of all of society's members. Think of robotics in the auto industry, not to mention the scale of agribusiness.

We haven't figured out what to do in those circumstances.

OUAlumni1990
9/28/2009, 10:38 PM
I work in the oil patch and I've laughed at "certain companies" that have tried to farm out work to India and China. They undoubtedly end up spending more in the long run because the quality is crap and there is alot of waste. I don't know why the upper management can't figure this out.