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cheezyq
9/25/2009, 04:17 PM
I think everyone here has the same take on (dingle)Berry Tramel. But I liked this article for ONE purpose. The idea, even though he says it is, is not a new one and didn't really generate from him. I also think he's being a sensationalist in his claims that the CFB world is crumbling just because successful teams play crappy teams. But regardless, I thought it was interesting that Stoops and Castiglione are behind the idea, and guys like Holder are not. That's a big difference between success and failure in my mind - to be unafraid of facing good teams, versus the fear of losing.

http://www.newsok.com/berry-tramel-a-plan-to-save-college-football/article/3403736?custom_click=lead_story_title


On the opening weekend of college football, 78 games were played involving Division I-A squads. Thirty-eight of those games, virtually half, also involved lower-division teams.
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In September, 265 games will be played involving major-college teams. Seventy-six of those are against lower-division teams.

This grand sport, this game that rivals baseball and trumps the NFL in its tradition, has lost its balance. Lost its moral compass.

College football’s caretakers are on hiatus. They have let September dissolve into a series of one-sided, meaningless games, interrupted only by a few games a week that honor the sport.

Our own teams have done their share to lift the profile. Oklahoma-BYU. Oklahoma State-Georgia. Oklahoma-Miami next week.

They also have contributed to the shame. OU 64, Idaho State 0 last Saturday; OSU-Grambling in a name-the-score mismatch this Saturday.

Which is why college football cries out for centralized scheduling. Minimum scheduling requirements for the schools entrusted with the sport’s good name.

A year ago, I trotted out a plan in which the Big 12, SEC and Atlantic Coast conferences — the three major leagues with a dozen teams each — would agree to play an opponent from each of the other two conferences every year. That would guarantee two legitimate non-conference opponents every season for every member of those three leagues.

Some liked my idea. Bob Stoops endorsed it. Joe Castiglione was open to the idea. Of course, the Sooners are not the problem in college football scheduling, so I’m not sure I’ve got a consensus just yet.

So let’s raise the stakes. Time to call for commitments from all the BCS leagues — the Big 12, SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big East — to require their teams to adopt scheduling standards. Teams that play four non-conference games would be required to play at least two against fellow power-league foes. The Pac-10, which plays nine conference games, would be required to play just one non-conference game against a BCS-league school, though the Pac-10 usually schedules tough without the mandate. And the Big East, which has five non-conference games, would be required to play three within the agreement.

For good measure, let’s invite the Mountain West Conference into the coalition, since the Mounties play good football and deserve a seat at the BCS table anyway.

Such a step toward centralized scheduling would have profound and wondrous effects on college football:

→More good games in September, a month rife with mismatches. The television networks would love it; rights almost surely would go up.

→A clearer picture in the national championship race. The bowl system would be enhanced, since more competitive games would weed out the contenders. And remember who most supports the bowl system: the conferences in question.

→Fiscal sanity in the payouts to schools sacrificing their teams for a huge check. Idaho State received $500,000 to play at OU. Some payouts to lower Division I-A schools have approached $1 million. Cut the demand for those dates and you cut the price.

Such a system would require some sacrifice on the part of the major-conference schools. Namely, win-loss record. Schools will be saddled with more defeats, and fans would have to understand that goes with the territory.

OU could have been 3-0 right now simply by not playing BYU, a late addition to the schedule. The Sooners could have written an $800,000 check to Louisiana-Monroe or New Mexico State or somebody and guaranteed a spotless September record.

But there is no honor in purchasing victory. OU-BYU was a fantastic spectacle and a wonderful game, and just because the Sooners came out on the short end is no reason to wuss out and play only automatic-victory games.

Some schools also would have to sacrifice a home game or two. Under the minimum-requirement plan, no more eight home games, like OSU, Auburn, Michigan and others enjoy this season.

Teams could play seven home games if they desired, and they also could maintain some power over who they schedule, even within the mandates.

Iowa State already plays Iowa every year, so the Cyclones could try to schedule someone closer to their level. A Vanderbilt or UNLV or Washington State.

Texas A&M has an extensive contract with Arkansas. The Aggies wouldn’t have to play Southern Cal; they could try to arrange a series with UCLA.

This simple mandate would double the number of legitimate September games.

"I think it would be worth pursuing,” Stoops said. "I don’t know how you could get people to do it.”

It would have to come through the conferences. Conference cooperation is absolutely necessary. And for the conferences to come aboard, individual schools will have to support it, which will require some arm-twisting.

OSU athletic director Mike Holder was not enthusiastic about the idea. "It’s a balancing act,” Holder said. "We’re in the Big 12 South. The Big 12 as a whole is brutal. There’s wear and tear. That’s a pretty big mountain to climb.”

Except look back three weeks ago to what victory over Georgia did for the Cowboy program.

That’s the kind of success major-college football teams should desire. The other kind, the victories over Rice and Utah State, over Idaho State and Grambling, are hollow.

They are not fair fights, and they are suffocating a wonderful sport. Time for the caretakers to return to duty.

Berry Tramel: 405-760-8080; Berry Tramel can be heard Monday through Friday from 4:40-5:20 p.m. on The Sports Animal radio network, including AM-640 and FM-98.1.

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Dio
9/25/2009, 04:40 PM
That's fine, but I have to wonder- does a team like Middle Tennessee State ever beat Maryland if they don't have the experience (and paycheck) they got from their trip here? Not that I want to see a NC schedule full of MTSUs every year...

westbrooke
9/25/2009, 04:44 PM
I think this is an interesting idea, and it would certainly create more excitement for the fans with so many high-profile non-conference games. I think it would ultimately have sad consequences though.

A concept like this works in the NFL because the teams are businesses and can be sold to new owners if they are failing. The college football powerhouses are similar to the successful NFL teams like the Cowboys; they are in no danger of failing and can afford to go where the NCAA tells them to with a centralized schedule. A lot of the small schools like Idaho State are like the Jaguars, though, except that they can't be sold to deeper pockets. They depend on those $800,000 checks to merely field a team. If the BCS schools went to this system, it would dry up the opportunities for the Idaho States of the world to pull in those checks and keep their kids competing. I fear that, one by one, they'd have to pack in their programs or drop to a lower a division (of course, ISU already is in a lower division) where they only play regional schools and don't get the thrill and opportunity to share the field with the big teams.

Maybe that's just the way of the world, but I like the idea that these small schools can still share the field with the OUs, Notre Dames, and Nebraskas. I'm also curious to know if this is such a conspicuous symptom of modern football. Has anyone looked back to see if scheduling has dramatically changed over the years with regards to these types of games?

yermom
9/25/2009, 04:46 PM
yeah, he makes it sound like it's a bad thing to pay 500k-1MM dollars to some chump team

they can use the money...

cheezyq
9/25/2009, 04:47 PM
I don't necessarily agree with the idea either, especially since small schools would take a large financial hit. I would like to see some more high-profile match-ups, but the tune-up games serve multiple useful purposes.

I mainly wanted to point out that while Stoops is saying "bring it on", Holder is running away with his tail between his legs.

yermom
9/25/2009, 04:55 PM
which is funny because they beat their SEC team, but lost to the Conf USA team :D

pac10SUX
9/25/2009, 05:08 PM
Scheduling at least 1 BCS school for non-conference games might be a good thing. That way the small programs still get their shots at the big boys & big paychecks.

However a BCS conference team scheduling the likes of
LA-Monroe
Wyoming
UTEP
UCF
is pretty sad!! :eek:

Versus a non-conference schedule like
BYU
Idaho State
Tulsa
Miami
is pretty good!!;)

This of course is entirely hypothetical!!:D

Flagstaffsooner
9/25/2009, 05:16 PM
Barry Tramel is a blithering idiot. Yet BT>Jenni Carlson> John Rhode.

Good lineup there DOK.:confused:

westbrooke
9/25/2009, 05:48 PM
I don't necessarily agree with the idea either, especially since small schools would take a large financial hit. I would like to see some more high-profile match-ups, but the tune-up games serve multiple useful purposes.

I mainly wanted to point out that while Stoops is saying "bring it on", Holder is running away with his tail between his legs.

Totally. The Stoops attitude is definitely something to admire.

cheezyq
9/25/2009, 06:01 PM
Barry Tramel is a blithering idiot.

You won't get any argument from me. I'd just add arrogant a-hole to the list.

StoopTroup
9/25/2009, 06:05 PM
I don't understand why if you hate him....you read his articles. I dropped my Sooner Spectator subscription right after he bashed message board posters. The day he's gone...will be the day I consider subscribing again.

cheezyq
9/25/2009, 06:59 PM
I don't understand why if you hate him....you read his articles. I dropped my Sooner Spectator subscription right after he bashed message board posters. The day he's gone...will be the day I consider subscribing again.

My news comes from Google searches half the time. Found this article and read it before I realized it was him.

MI Sooner
9/26/2009, 08:15 AM
Think about how many fewer people would get to enjoy CFB games in person under this scheme.

If OU is playing South Carolina instead of Idaho St., who is Idaho St., playing... Montana St. So instead of South Carolina and OU both playing home games in front of 80,000+, you get one game with 80,000+ and one with 10,000.

I'd say that's the proof that this system is better, at least according to the people who matter (those that shell out the dough).

StoopTroup
9/26/2009, 08:30 AM
My news comes from Google searches half the time. Found this article and read it before I realized it was him.

At least you didn't buy it. WTG! :D

StoopTroup
9/26/2009, 08:33 AM
I'd say that's the proof that this system is better, at least according to the people who matter (those that shell out the dough).

That's really what it gets down too.

When times are good and the economy is kicking...folks travel and when it's like it is now...people are a bit less comfortable shelling out the dough for weekend excursions. Changes need to include the big picture and fairness gets thrown out sometimes.

It's just the way it is and probably the way it will stay.

Capitalism > Football

Also...more proof that Tramel just didn't get what happened IMO...


But there is no honor in purchasing victory. OU-BYU was a fantastic spectacle and a wonderful game, and just because the Sooners came out on the short end is no reason to wuss out and play only automatic-victory games.

We didn't need to wuss out...we just needed to keep the game in Norman and then reciprocate to bYu at a later date. It's worked for a long time. Scheduling these alternate venues is the problem. To many variables IMO.

OUHOMER
9/26/2009, 08:47 AM
Scheduling better teams gets you to the end in the BCS.

I think Snyder started this stuff at K-state. At the time it helped them build. they were no better than popcorn state back in the day.

adoniijahsooner
9/26/2009, 08:50 AM
Barry Tramel is a blithering idiot. Yet BT>Jenni Carlson> John Rhode.

Good lineup there DOK.:confused:

I actually think Jake Trotter does a decent job.

Cam
9/26/2009, 10:28 AM
You can still have your cupcake games, just not 3 or 4 of them like some of the bigger teams.

I like the idea of putting the teams in a hopper and having an independent auditor pick the match-ups. Set the schedules 3-5 years in advance and get rid of the buy-out option of the contract.

Each school gets at least one BCS team at home and one BCS team away. IMO, it's a win/win for everybody.