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SicEmBaylor
9/18/2009, 01:52 AM
One thing that I haven't seen today is a discussion of the administration's announcement that it would not provide the ABM shield to Poland and the Czech Republic. The previous administration had made this commitment to Eastern Europe to protect against a future Russia that may have hostile intent and may try to reconstitute its lost satellites.

The Administration pulled the rug out from under them, so to speak, on (of all days) the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Poland. They've been abandoned twice within the last century by her so-called Allies -- first to the Nazis and then to the Soviets. We had a terrific diplomatic relationship with Poland that has potentially been destroyed by this action.

What really amazes me is that Obama's campaign pledge was to strengthen ties with our allies which really meant our Western European allies. It looks like that in the future you'll have Republican administrations favoring strong ties with Eastern Europe while Democratic administrations focus on Western Europe. My guess is that's because Eastern Europe is vehemently anti-communist (having lived under it for 50+ years) while Western Europe loves to flirt with democratic-socialim in ways not online the more radical elements of the American left.

___

Having said all that...

I'm conflicted because I'd really rather not have strong alliances with anyone. I'd much prefer an isolationist position, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to get the US involved in another European land war to keep the freedom of a nation that we've let down so often before.

SoonerStormchaser
9/18/2009, 08:37 AM
This should be a Pole!

Jello Biafra
9/18/2009, 09:07 AM
One thing that I haven't seen today is a discussion of the administration's announcement that it would not provide the ABM shield to Poland and the Czech Republic. The previous administration had made this commitment to Eastern Europe to protect against a future Russia that may have hostile intent and may try to reconstitute its lost satellites.

The Administration pulled the rug out from under them, so to speak, on (of all days) the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Poland. They've been abandoned twice within the last century by her so-called Allies -- first to the Nazis and then to the Soviets. We had a terrific diplomatic relationship with Poland that has potentially been destroyed by this action.

What really amazes me is that Obama's campaign pledge was to strengthen ties with our allies which really meant our Western European allies. It looks like that in the future you'll have Republican administrations favoring strong ties with Eastern Europe while Democratic administrations focus on Western Europe. My guess is that's because Eastern Europe is vehemently anti-communist (having lived under it for 50+ years) while Western Europe loves to flirt with democratic-socialim in ways not online the more radical elements of the American left.

___

Having said all that...

I'm conflicted because I'd really rather not have strong alliances with anyone. I'd much prefer an isolationist position, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to get the US involved in another European land war to keep the freedom of a nation that we've let down so often before.



freaking rookie....what dont you understand about MOST party affiliations?

dems usually like to spend their money other places than defense.
republicans like a big beefy defense. the end.

with all of this being said, anyone know any good pollock jokes?

yermom
9/18/2009, 09:26 AM
no, see we are working on that alliance with Russia. giving them Poland and the Czechs goes a long way ;)

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 09:31 AM
What really amazes me is that Obama's campaign pledge was to strengthen ties with our allies which really meant our Western European allies.Poland's foreign minister wouldn't even talk to Hillary on the phone after this. I'm guessing this is what Dear Leader meant by a "smarter foreign policy"?? I wonder who else we can stab in the back on a historic anniversary???

Every day makes it all that much clearer what a disastrous failure Obama is turning out to be.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 09:33 AM
no, see we are working on that alliance with Russia. giving them Poland and the Czechs goes a long way ;)

I think someone tried that approach once before. Can't remember if it worked out well or not.

http://www.herodote.net/Images/HitlerChamberlain.jpg

Veritas
9/18/2009, 09:40 AM
Obama's foreign policy seems to consist of kissing the asses of countries who've screwed us and giving the middle finger to those who've helped.

That dickhole's reign can't end soon enough. Although the Kanye comment was pretty cool.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 09:50 AM
While attempting to place no judgment on the decision by the Obama administration, and not being well versed enough in the intricacies of what exactly it is they're talking about, I do remember reading that Obama was proposing a cheaper, more scaled back version of W's missle defense system. What Obama was talking about was a defense system geared at stopping the sort of short range and medium range missles a country like Iran would be able to produce.

If that's true it seems that anyone who purports to be a Conservative would welcome a reduction in government spending, no? Also it seems to be a less adversarial plan than the one issued by the previous administration. Again I'm not well schooled enough in the minutiae of Russian / Eastern Europe politics and how it currently stands to understand what Russia's long term goals are, but why would not having a missle defense shield in place make Poland less safe? So if we have it in place and the Russians opt to invade Poland we start WWIII over it? Conversely if we don't have it in place does Russia just nuke Poland into the ground because our missles aren't there? Putin's all, "Ha, ha! Looks what I dids!" and then go for a spin on his newly formed sheet of glass? Seems like a lot of scare tactics from the right are being used to whip up some artificial fervor over the decision not to place some monitoring stations and ten missles that were to be placed a bit too close to Russia's backyard.

Overall the decision Obama made is hardly a surprising one considering his party affiliation. The Doves will hail the decision and the Hawks will call him an appeaser.

Bourbon St Sooner
9/18/2009, 09:54 AM
We don't need missle defense against the Russians, we're just taking all their women. In 100 years they'll just cease to exist. Either that or they'll be so frustrated from the lack of sex that they'll nuke us back to the stone age.

badger
9/18/2009, 09:56 AM
I don't know what to think about this - I would really like to see other countries take responsibility for themselves, just like we are all expected to be responsible and take care of ourselves and for our families.

I am not sure I like the idea of future administrations backing out of promises made by previous administrations. It might give the impression that the United States is not so united.

mdklatt
9/18/2009, 10:08 AM
Does anybody really think Russia is going to launch a missile attack on Eastern Europe any time soon?

badger
9/18/2009, 10:09 AM
Does anybody really think Russia is going to launch a missile attack on Eastern Europe any time soon?

No, but I'm over here on this side of the Atlantic. I wonder what Poland thinks?

King Crimson
9/18/2009, 10:09 AM
that commie Gates was for it.

jeez, Sic...what happened to your Pat Buchanan in 92 crypto-isolationism stance?

badger
9/18/2009, 10:14 AM
I know Gates is an Aggie and all, but it was a good thing for him to stay on as secretary of defense despite the administration switch.

Rice band: Normally we'd make a jokes about A&M and defense, but the Aggies might be onto something, considering they held you to seven points.

(Rice band forms a giant number 7)

Old Texas crowd: Hahahahaha!
Texas student section: Boooooo!

Note: This was the next season after A&M beat Texas 12-7 to backdoor us into the Big 12 title game with ENA under center.

My Opinion Matters
9/18/2009, 10:15 AM
Does anybody really think Russia is going to launch a missile attack on Eastern Europe any time soon?

Come on, these are the same people that are convinced that Obama is a clandestine Islamo-fascist/socialist/communist (Those all mean the same thing, right? No time to look it up!) that takes orders from Osama Bin Laden and the corpse of Chairman Mao. You know why an authentic copy of Obama's birth certificate can't be produced? Because it has Satan listed as his father!!!

mdklatt
9/18/2009, 10:24 AM
Come on, these are the same people that are convinced that Obama is a clandestine Islamo-fascist/socialist/communist (Those all mean the same thing, right? No time to look it up!) that takes orders from Osama Bin Laden and the corpse of Chairman Mao. You know why an authentic copy of Obama's birth certificate can't be produced? Because it has Satan listed as his father!!!

I wouldn't describe anybody in this thread (so far!) that way. I know the usual suspects are going to be all "ZOMG the Dear Leader is hanging our greatest allies in the world the Czechs out to dry!!!" But I want to know if anybody honestly believes that if Russia does get frisky--something I don't rule out--that their first order of business will be to MIRV Warsaw and Prague into oblivion. If we really think Eastern Europe needs protection, maybe we're better off cranking up M1A1 production and staging REFORGER (REFORPOL?) exercises just like to the good old days.

If Russia goes all in with anybody in the future, it's going to be China not NATO.

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 10:38 AM
Crappy move to do it on the day he did. I don't mind the move as much because it's Poland and I don't care about Poland. But his overall trend of mucking foreign relations up is very disturbing. If you look up the definition of "tact" you'll find a picture of Obama giving the thumbs-down.

Sooner_Havok
9/18/2009, 10:40 AM
Didn't we have to twist Poland's arm to be able to do this in the first place? I remember them not being 100% on board with the plan in the first place.

badger
9/18/2009, 10:46 AM
Hillary Clinton to the rescue! She said the U.S. would "never, never" abandon our allies! (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=13&articleid=20090918_13_0_WARSAW106166) :D

With her having said that, none of you should have any worries whatsoever, especially you Czechers and Polish in the South Oval... well, at least till they give Bill Clinton a microphone, heh.

mdklatt
9/18/2009, 10:59 AM
Crappy move to do it on the day he did.

Yeah, that was pretty Bush league.

Maybe he gave the Polish president an iPod to smooth things over. :D

C&CDean
9/18/2009, 11:18 AM
I ain't much for getting into these type of discussions anymore. However, I will say this:

Reagan>Eisenhower>Bush1>Bush2>Clinton>LBJ>Ford>Nixon>JFK>Peanutboy>my left nut>BHO

Seriously, no matter who you root for, how can anyone say the big O is doing a good job in his first year? I mean with a straight face, and your tongue outta your cheek? The boy is a bust. A nightmare of epic proportion. A walking, talking wreck. The only positive thing I can say about him to date is the fact that he gave the order to shoot those pirates (a couple days late, but whatever). Everything else about his presidency has been a complete and total failure.

Palin would make a better prez. And that's saying something.

badger
9/18/2009, 11:20 AM
Palin would also make a better QB for da bears than Cutler, right Deano? :D

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 11:57 AM
The boy is a bust. A nightmare of epic proportion. A walking, talking wreck.Well, he did extend the patriot act, spying on people domestically, GITMO is still open for business, and we are still killing "freedom fighters" in Iraq and Asscrackistan. So he has that going for him still.

But I agree with the rest. It's Jimmy Carter all over again. I just hope the GOP will have someone decent to clean up his mess when he is bounced in 2012.

PDXsooner
9/18/2009, 12:02 PM
I just hope the GOP will have someone decent to clean up his mess when he is bounced in 2012.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SoonerProphet
9/18/2009, 12:37 PM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/09/17/the_new_defense_realism

swardboy
9/18/2009, 12:48 PM
You people who don't care about Poland or Czechoslavakia are just like the isolationist Americans who enabled Hitler to walk all over Europe.

These are the same Russians who will turn OFF the oil and gas flow to their pro-western former soviet bloc neighbors on a whim. Obama has just exhibited weakness by this action....truly his actions speak louder than his words.

Turd_Ferguson
9/18/2009, 12:50 PM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/09/17/the_new_defense_realism
I like this comment about the article...


Realism or not, this is a let down for the US allies in Europe (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/09/17/the_new_defense_realism#comment-82879)
The countries who agreed to shield deployment earned some hate credit with Russia on the account of US strong pressure to install it.
Now that the next clueless hack in the White house decides the opposite, mostly on account of money shortage, the US press (of course) sings a short praise like the one above, and the people who agreed to the initiative are left to wonder what is up.
Mr. Obama should do well to show in some (hopefully convincing) way that US is committed to their allies, and doesn't change commitment with every administration and poll change.
Unfortunately, so far Mr. Obama's international achievements look worse than even those of the arrogant guy with the white mustache.
Too bad.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 01:13 PM
I like this comment about the article...

Did you even read the article?

sooneron
9/18/2009, 01:15 PM
I would venture to guess, no.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 01:17 PM
So stabbing our allies in the back is now called "Realism". Interesting.

Jello Biafra
9/18/2009, 01:17 PM
Palin would also make a better QB for da bears than Cutler, right Deano? :D

phuckers lol

sooneron
9/18/2009, 01:20 PM
So stabbing our allies in the back is now called "Realism". Interesting.

I'm not on BHO's jock, but what is it called when you give someone a pitbull with no teeth and say, "Here's some super duper protection for ya!"

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 01:28 PM
I'm not on BHO's jock, but what is it called when you give someone a pitbull with no teeth and say, "Here's some super duper protection for ya!"You mean what Obama just promised?? Cause what he just "unveiled" doesn't even exist.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 01:30 PM
Cause what he just "unveiled" doesn't even exist.

Are you talking about W or Obama?

You are such an unoriginal right wing parrot.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 01:33 PM
Are you talking about W or Obama?
Hmm, lets see, system with 50% accuracy, or system that doesn't exist at all. Oh, but works better, is cheaper, and won't be ready until 2018 at best.

What to choose, what to choose...

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 01:54 PM
I'd choose the system that works better and is cheaper, since there is no conflict now.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 01:56 PM
I'd choose the system that works better and is cheaper, since there is no conflict now.That's like saying you won't wear a seatbelt since you're not in a car wreck right now. I would hope that most people aren't that short-sighted???

C&CDean
9/18/2009, 01:58 PM
Palin would also make a better QB for da bears than Cutler, right Deano? :D

Heh. I got to watch that game on the satellite TV up in the mountains. Cutler should have had about 8 picks instead of the 4-5 he ended up with. Of course there were all the Bronco dorks up there in the Colorado mountains who were loving it too.

C&CDean
9/18/2009, 01:59 PM
Are you talking about W or Obama?

You are such an unoriginal right wing parrot.

So what grade do you give Obama? I got him down for a solid F+.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 02:08 PM
Hmm, lets see, system with 50% accuracy, or system that doesn't exist at all. Oh, but works better, is cheaper, and won't be ready until 2018 at best.

What to choose, what to choose...

Who the **** do you plan on shooting these missles AT? Typical right wing scare tactics Tuba.

Are where are you pulling your numbers from?

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 02:08 PM
So what grade do you give Obama? I got him down for a solid F+.

C-

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 02:12 PM
That's like saying you won't wear a seatbelt since you're not in a car wreck right now. I would hope that most people aren't that short-sighted???

No, it's like not buying a crappy car because you don't think you'll have to drive out of the inner city area for any reason in the next few years. Then when you have the money, you buy a nice car and show all those country *******s what REAL transportation looks like.

But, I mean, if you wanna show up to the box social in an '87 Honda Civic, then by all means...

C&CDean
9/18/2009, 02:13 PM
Dude, that's still passing. He ain't done anything but continue GWB's drunken sailor spending spree (only on sterioids) and has damaged this country deeply by sucking the **** of every foreign despot he meets. In a word, he's a *****. A major league vulva-esque *****.

SoonerProphet
9/18/2009, 02:24 PM
Who the **** do you plan on shooting these missles AT? Typical right wing scare tactics Tuba.

Are where are you pulling your numbers from?

No sh!t, I'd like to see these 50% accuracy numbers you are talking about. Is that the word of the peeps at the pentagon and defense contractors.

Chuck Bao
9/18/2009, 02:38 PM
Who cares about Europe? It seems to me that it is largely irrelevant, except for the large pharmaceutical companies needed to produce vaccines and the Swiss Banks needed to rat out tax-cheating Americans. We need Russia much more to help curtail Iran. Asia, particularly China, India, Pakistan, are much greater foreign policy priority.

Realism is very much needed after the former administration's idealistic, ineffective and counter-productive approach. We are in a new world and we have to approach foreign diplomacy in a different way. That is not a surprise to anyone following the news.

By the way, Dean, I would give President Obama's administration a B- grade given the very poor economic environment inherited from the previous administration. I would have given it a higher grade except for some very serious misteps in appointing cabinet positions and initial slow response to some seriously crazy lies and rumors spread by the right-slanted media.

C&CDean
9/18/2009, 02:42 PM
Who cares about Europe? It seems to me that it is largely irrelevant, except for the large pharmaceutical companies needed to produce vaccines and the Swiss Banks needed to rat out tax-cheating Americans. We need Russia much more to help curtail Iran. Asia, particularly China, India, Pakistan, are much greater foreign policy priority.

Realism is very much needed after the former administration's idealistic, ineffective and counter-productive approach. We are in a new world and we have to approach foreign diplomacy in a different way. That is not a surprise to anyone following the news.

By the way, Dean, I would give President Obama's administration a B- grade given the very poor economic environment inherited from the previous administration. I would have given it a higher grade except for some very serious misteps in appointing cabinet positions and initial slow response to some seriously crazy lies and rumors spread by the right-slanted media.

I was with ya Chuck....all the way until you said "right-slanted media." Maybe the mainstream media in Thailand is different than over here? Cause other than one TV station, the media here leans so far to the left they've got a permanent curvature of the spine. I also can't agree with his handling of the poor economic environment he was handed. If he didn't quintuple the spending overnight, I might see your side. You can't blame Bush for the spending spree Obama is on right now.

Scott D
9/18/2009, 02:43 PM
I think everyone here is missing the important thing here.

SicEm feels kinship to Poland. Must have something to do with getting ****ed over by the girls around them. ;)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/18/2009, 02:52 PM
I ain't much for getting into these type of discussions anymore. However, I will say this:

Reagan>Eisenhower>Bush1>Bush2>Clinton>LBJ>Ford>Nixon>JFK>Peanutboy>my left nut>BHO

Seriously, no matter who you root for, how can anyone say the big O is doing a good job in his first year? I mean with a straight face, and your tongue outta your cheek? The boy is a bust. A nightmare of epic proportion. A walking, talking wreck. The only positive thing I can say about him to date is the fact that he gave the order to shoot those pirates (a couple days late, but whatever). Everything else about his presidency has been a complete and total failure.

Palin would make a better prez. And that's saying something.Do you realize you rated Clinton over Nixon?

Chuck Bao
9/18/2009, 03:18 PM
I was with ya Chuck....all the way until you said "right-slanted media." Maybe the mainstream media in Thailand is different than over here? Cause other than one TV station, the media here leans so far to the left they've got a permanent curvature of the spine. I also can't agree with his handling of the poor economic environment he was handed. If he didn't quintuple the spending overnight, I might see your side. You can't blame Bush for the spending spree Obama is on right now.

Dean, man, you got me on that one. You and all of the other American based posters know far more than I do. I probably should retract my comments in that post because we are probably watching different things.

I mainly watch stock market news and commentary on CNN, CNBC and most recently Bloomberg TV (because they interviewed me live last month and I'm still curious if I'm their worst 5-minute interview ever). Okay, so they are giving full play to opposing views and criticism. In fact, they do an excellent job in stirring up controversy and the hosts occasionally do not hid their disdain for anyone that is pro-Obama, not pro-market and not for less taxes.

That is what they do.

The funny thing is that global equity markets have been on a tear since hitting a low this year in March. The Thai stock market is up about 70%.

I can see people getting upset about the runaway spending and blank check being extended to bail out of failed instiutions basically fueled by greed and big bonus checks.

I can also see that faith in the global financial system has been restored. I can also see that any US president, McCain, included would have been forced to do the same.

Personally, I think Obama didn't go far enough and that more of the big banks should have been nationalized with the clear mandate that they would be sold off to the private sector later at a profit. Instead, we get these crazy people so worried about socialism. I don't get it. Hence, my comments about the right-wing slant in the media.

yermom
9/18/2009, 03:31 PM
Do you realize you rated Clinton over Nixon?

you named Dean's left nut?

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 03:33 PM
Personally, I think Obama didn't go far enough and that more of the big banks should have been nationalized with the clear mandate that they would be sold off to the private sector later at a profit. Instead, we get these crazy people so worried about socialism. I don't get it. Hence, my comments about the right-wing slant in the media.

Even if they did that, nobody would believe them. Also "a later date" is like saying "we'll use the toll prices to pay off the road!". It never happens. Give the government a source of money and they will never let it go.

SicEmBaylor
9/18/2009, 03:46 PM
that commie Gates was for it.

jeez, Sic...what happened to your Pat Buchanan in 92 crypto-isolationism stance?

I still have it. My problem is that I really really hate the Russians, so I'm definitely conflicted. I also hate the fact that Western Europe and the US have a penchant for sacrificing Poland at the altar of our foreign policy.

Tulsa_Fireman
9/18/2009, 03:47 PM
So?

What do we get out of the deal, some lame *** sausage?

There's a reason they're called "buffer states".

Chuck Bao
9/18/2009, 03:50 PM
Even if they did that, nobody would believe them. Also "a later date" is like saying "we'll use the toll prices to pay off the road!". It never happens. Give the government a source of money and they will never let it go.

That is not an excuse.

They will privatize if we tell them to. Maybe the US hasn't experienced this and maybe it is about time that it does. Many countries in the world have gone through Margret Thatcher types of privatization programs for state-owned enterprises. Some have been great examples of improved efficiency and the benefits of competition in an open market. Others have been turned out to be complete disasters and the efficiency lost in extreme short-term planning in what should be a natural monopoly.

Banks and the auto sector would clearly be the former. Too big to fail should never mean that the shareholders are protected. Instead, the state should go in, take control, inject capital and get them on their feet and then sell them off.

In my opinion, they shouldn't be sold off to big investors who are just looking to turn a buck, either. They should be sold off to taxpayers, who bailed them out in the first place. Would anyone object if the largest taxpayers get the first chance at subscribing to the shares?

SicEmBaylor
9/18/2009, 03:52 PM
So?

What do we get out of the deal, some lame *** sausage?

There's a reason they're called "buffer states".

Except they're not really buffer states if they're Russian vassals.

The best buffer against an aggressive Russia is a free and independent Poland.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 03:55 PM
No, it's like not buying a crappy car because you don't think you'll have to drive out of the inner city area for any reason in the next few years. Then when you have the money, you buy a nice car and show all those country *******s what REAL transportation looks like.

But, I mean, if you wanna show up to the box social in an '87 Honda Civic, then by all means...You're just not getting the whole "defense" thing, are you?? you realize we are talking about something that exist and is sorta working (and getting better and better) vs a pipedream??

pilobolus
9/18/2009, 03:57 PM
We don't need an empire, we have enough problems at home.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 04:00 PM
No sh!t, I'd like to see these 50% accuracy numbers you are talking about. Is that the word of the peeps at the pentagon and defense contractors.

Sorry, was 60%. My bad...


U.S. carries out successful missile defense test

The test marked the sixth successful downing of a target in 10 full-fledged intercept tests since October 1999 in which knocking down the target was the primary objective, said Richard Lehner, a spokesman for the Missile Defense Agency.http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSWBT00766220070928

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 04:03 PM
We don't need an empire, we have enough problems at home.So you're saying we should or shouldn't stab our friends in the back??? I confused. :confused:

Tulsa_Fireman
9/18/2009, 04:05 PM
Should.

With a pointy stick or knife, whichever is most handily available.

OklahomaTuba
9/18/2009, 04:11 PM
I can't wait to see what Obama has up his sleeve for Anschluss day...

Chuck Bao
9/18/2009, 04:12 PM
Except they're not really buffer states if they're Russian vassals.

The best buffer against an aggressive Russia is a free and independent Poland.


That will probably help us forget our economic problems if we focus on the evil empire of Russia and keeping a free and independent Poland, like almost Orwellian.

That is about as productive as Thailand focusing on former Cold War buffer states like Laos and Cambodia. Okay, Thai generals LOVE kicking up a border squirmish and sending out the fodder of poor, provincial conscripts.

I suppose that the US is different and the military manufacturing complex never saw a threat, a fight or a squirmish that it didn't like.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 04:31 PM
You're just not getting the whole "defense" thing, are you?? you realize we are talking about something that exist and is sorta working (and getting better and better) vs a pipedream??

Tuba, please stop with all the bull**** for once.

http://gao.gov/products/GAO-09-856

You act like this missle defense system was in a box in a warehouse somewhere ready to be rolled out and installed. Couldn't be further from the truth.

And again I'll ask you, whose missles are you gonna shoot down again?

yermom
9/18/2009, 04:37 PM
i always thought those missile defenses were more about prodding Russia than protecting Poland or wherever. if they were going to mess with Poland wouldn't they be using tanks or something?

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 04:42 PM
i always thought those missile defenses were more about prodding Russia than protecting Poland or wherever. if they were going to mess with Poland wouldn't they be using tanks or something?


IT'S ABOUT SAFETY!!!!

FREEDOM!!!

LOUD NOISES!!!!

PATRIOT!!!!

SOCIALIST!!!!

THEY WANNA CHANGE YOUR WAY OF LIFE!!!!

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 04:47 PM
You're just not getting the whole "defense" thing, are you?? you realize we are talking about something that exist and is sorta working (and getting better and better) vs a pipedream??

Tuba, you asked a question and I answered it. You wanted to know whether we'd rather have an expensive 50% missile defense system now or a less expensive, more accurate version in 2018. I said since we're not in a war now and it doesn't look like we will be for a while that I could wait.

This isn't the Cold War, man. There's no Missile Defense System gap between us and Them.

JohnnyMack
9/18/2009, 04:48 PM
This isn't the Cold War, man. There's no Missile Defense System gap between us and Them.

Yeah I'm thinking we could probably still kill each other pretty efficiently.

mdklatt
9/18/2009, 04:57 PM
Tuba, you asked a question and I answered it. You wanted to know whether we'd rather have an expensive 50% missile defense system now or a less expensive, more accurate version in 2018. I said since we're not in a war now and it doesn't look like we will be for a while that I could wait.

This isn't the Cold War, man. There's no Missile Defense System gap between us and Them.


Where's this 2018 business coming from? I didn't see that in the Foreign Policy article. It sounds like we're replacing the current system with AEGIS/SM3 (which is in service right now) and THADD (which I don't know the deployment status of).

NormanPride
9/18/2009, 05:03 PM
Where's this 2018 business coming from? I didn't see that in the Foreign Policy article. It sounds like we're replacing the current system with AEGIS/SM3 (which is in service right now) and THADD (which I don't know the deployment status of).

I have no idea. Tuba just said it probably wouldn't be ready until 2018. That's probably a Tuba Overstatement (tm) but I don't care. Either way I'd rather do it right than throw out something crappy that will be outdated in 5 years.

Sooner_Havok
9/20/2009, 08:28 PM
Aren't Europeans socialists? So, who really cares what happens to the commie bastards?

Tulsa_Fireman
9/20/2009, 08:37 PM
I don't. As long as my goosestepping brethren keep crankin' out the quality beer, I could give two flips.

Sooner_Havok
9/20/2009, 08:44 PM
I don't. As long as my goosestepping brethren keep crankin' out the quality beer, I could give two flips.

Eh, with the micro brews catching on here in America, I can do without the European beer.

Bourbon St Sooner
9/21/2009, 01:13 PM
So stabbing our allies in the back is now called "Realism". Interesting.


No the fact that we have no money is realism. If we want to help the Poles we should help them invest in an LNG facility so they can tell the ruskies to stick their gas up their ***!

My Opinion Matters
9/21/2009, 01:21 PM
Eh, with the micro brews catching on here in America, I can do without the European beer.

Agreed. On the whole, American beer > European beer.

yermom
9/21/2009, 01:23 PM
yep, horrible, this idea was

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_missile_defense

Bourbon St Sooner
9/21/2009, 01:34 PM
Meh. I want to get out of European affairs, but I detest the russians. Anything that gives Putin cause to be happy makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

Jacie
9/21/2009, 03:55 PM
Meh. I want to get out of European affairs, but I detest the russians. Anything that gives Putin cause to be happy makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

If you really want to make the Russians angry, pull Baywatch from syndication. No more Pamela Anderson for you, Putin!

SicEmBaylor
9/21/2009, 04:03 PM
Meh. I want to get out of European affairs, but I detest the russians. Anything that gives Putin cause to be happy makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

This is my problem as well. I'd love to pull completely out of the place, but I seriously don't trust those people.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/21/2009, 04:26 PM
This is my problem as well. I'd love to pull completely out of the place, but I seriously don't trust those people.Duh, right? and, given a little history, there MIGHT be a German reason to have a presence in Europe.

Scott D
9/21/2009, 04:49 PM
well hell, given history it's Finland's turn to terrorize Europe and threaten to annex all of it.

OklahomaTuba
9/21/2009, 04:58 PM
More good news: Dear Leader plans to slash our nuke arsenal as well.

He's more Jimmah Carter then even Jimmah was.

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 05:03 PM
'cause, you know...that LAST ONE woulda made all the difference. :rolleyes:

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 05:10 PM
I think someone tried that approach once before. Can't remember if it worked out well or not.

http://www.herodote.net/Images/HitlerChamberlain.jpg
What is Wyatt Earp doing in that photo with Obama?

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 05:13 PM
What I love is how everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that Secretary Gates recommended this cut.

You know...George Bush II's former Sec Def?

But if you wanna go ahead and say this is all "Obama being a *****" then don't let reason stop ye.

If you get a hankerin', however, do a little Google on which President cut the largest number of nukes out of our national arsenal. Man...THAT guy was a LEFTY SOFTY WUSSIE! ;)

OklahomaTuba
9/21/2009, 05:17 PM
Ah, yes, back in the days when we didn't just give up our weapons, but traded it for something.

Now we are doing it for the same reason we apologize to other countries, stab our allies in the back, prosecute our CIA agents, etc.

BTW, how long do you give Dear Leader before he throws the white flag on asscrackistan now that our Generals are begging for more troops???

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 05:36 PM
"Apologizing to countries for **** we actually did"
"Canceling a program that wasn't working and was costing US a fortune."
"Prosecuting CIA agents for breaking the law."

The horrors...the horrors...
http://www.cpamedia.com/culture/southeast_asia_cinema/inset_c.jpg

Now...where is your "outrage" again regarding us getting rid of some of our nukes? :rolleyes:

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 06:02 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/20/iran.khamenei.missiles/index.html


(CNN) -- Iran's supreme leader on Sunday blasted U.S. plans to overhaul the setup for a missile defense shield in Europe, calling the Obama administration's intentions "anti-Iranian," state-run media reported.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also called Western concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions -- which Tehran says are only for energy purposes -- "purely a fabrication by the United States," according to the Islamic Republic News Agency.

"This is something that is in the doctrine of anti-Iranianism, since the policy and the 30-year-old history of the Islamic Republic has proven that Iran wants to live in peace and under the spirit of equality and fraternity, with its Muslim neighbors and the rest of the world," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said.

On Thursday, President Obama said the United States is significantly overhauling Bush-era plans for a missile defense shield in Europe, based partly on the latest analysis of Iran (http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iran)'s offensive capabilities.

The "new missile defense architecture in Europe" will be ready faster, work with existing technology and provide better missile defense than the program proposed by former President George W. Bush, Obama said.

Obama said the change of gears was based on an "updated intelligence assessment" about Iran's ability to hit Europe with missiles. The Islamic republic's "short- and medium-range" missiles pose the most current threat, he said, and "this new ballistic missile defense will best address" that threat.

Khamenei, speaking on the first day of Eid al-Fitr, a festive end to the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, countered by comparing Obama (http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Barack_Obama) to his predecessor.

"America, under its former president, spared no efforts against the Muslim world as well as against Iran," Khamenei (http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Ayatollah_Ali_Khamenei) said. "Even the current administration -- with the apparently friendly words and messages -- follows that same anti-Islamic and anti-Iranian policy of the past."

The Bush-era proposal called for the United States to set up a radar site in the Czech Republic and 10 missile interceptors in Poland to counter the threat of Iran launching long-range missiles at America's allies in Europe. The new system will have "hundreds" of missile interceptors instead, a Pentagon official said last week.

It also will have mobile radars, including some in space, "that can move to wherever the threat actually emanates and wherever we feel we need to defend ourselves," said Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.Man...I guess you just can't make ANYONE happy nowadays! And HOW DARE President Obama listen to updated Intelligence Reports! He should be a good President and completely ignore them like George Bush did in August of 2001.

Besides, didn't Tuba send the memo to Khamenei that this decision was BAD for America and her allies? :D

I Am Right
9/21/2009, 07:59 PM
RUSH: Let's go to foreign policy now. This is dangerous. I have a series of stories here, we're forgetting our own security. We're not even farming it out. We're just not even going to pay any attention to it. "'Barack Obama Ready to Slash US Nuclear Arsenal.' -- Pentagon told to map out radical cuts as president prepares to chair UN talks. Barack Obama has demanded the Pentagon conduct a radical review of US nuclear weapons doctrine to prepare the way for deep cuts in the country's arsenal, the Guardian can reveal. Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the 'nuclear posture review' as being too timid." This may be the most dangerous development yet, and I hope he fails. Who in their right mind doesn't hope this dangerous president fails?

Washington Post today: "'Changes Have Obama Rethinking War Strategy.' -- Although Obama endorsed a strategy document in March that called for "executing and resourcing an integrated civilian-military counterinsurgency strategy," there have been significant changes in Afghanistan and Washington since then." You know, keep in mind Obama owns this now. This is his general; this is his strategy, a strategy change in March. He's now still reviewing his options and asking, "Are we doing the right thing?" First question, are we doing the right thing, are we pursuing the right strategy? That's what he said on his Sunday appearance on CNN. Then, "Obama's pick for Afghanistan commander warns of rising casualties, a stiff fight ahead and asks for more troops." A couple of articles I have here with excerpts from a few months ago about McChrystal's confirmation. Obama chose McChrystal, the general, Obama chose him. Obama chose to ramp up the fight in Afghanistan and now he's choosing to play politics instead of behaving as a responsible commander-in-chief.

Now, the general hasn't changed, McChrystal hasn't changed, it's Obama who's changed. If Obama doesn't want to win the war in Afghanistan, it wouldn't come as a surprise because he has said as much. He doesn't like the word victory. It conjures up embarrassing images of the Japanese surrender in World War II aboard the USS Missouri. Now, if he doesn't want to win the war in Afghanistan, no surprise, look what he's done to the deficit. Look what he's done to the national debt. Look what he's done to jobs. Look what he's done to the private sector. GM, Chrysler, insurance companies, doctors and so on. You know, fighting wars are hard things to do. Playing politics, why, that's easy, comes natural to the community-organizer-in-chief. Playing politics, putting off urgent pleas for additional troops from the general you chose to lead the war effort in Afghanistan because you don't want to lose your left-wing kook base and that's what largely this is all about, Obama can't afford to lose his left-wing kook base. He needs them to get them out there marching. The NEA calls, he needs these people all trumped up and hyped up to pass his health care legislation, and he's going to lose them if he ramps up the war in Afghanistan, he's going to lose even some radicals in the House and the Senate.

And then back July 14th: "Obama Purges Website Critique of Surge in Iraq." Remember, now, the best military leaders told us the surge in Iraq could win the war there and they were right. What did Senator Obama say about the surge? He said the surge in Iraq would fail, and after it succeeded he said it failed. And despite that gross misjudgment Obama was given a promotion, made commander-in-chief. Now, today we have issues in Afghanistan that require the best judgment of our best military leaders. They say more troops are needed immediately if we're to win in Afghanistan as we did in Iraq. And, by the way, Afghanistan's not just Afghanistan, the Taliban's all over the place. They're in Pakistan, too. If we pull out of there, which is what it looks like Obama's prepared to do to hold onto his fringe base, if we pull out of there, then Afghanistan goes back to being a terrorist state. We'll eventually have to go back at some point when there's somebody responsible running the country. I have to say this, it makes me sad to say it, but there's even a growing popularity among the elites, and not just the leftist elites, by the way, some even on our side are suggesting, "Yeah, you know what? Why don't we just get out of there? Why, we can't win there, wasting treasure, why, just get out of there."

Folks, if we do that all to appease his fringe base, it's going to be a disaster. What is needed is an all-out effort to destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan and along the border with Pakistan, heavy bombers included, and an all-out effort to build up Afghan military and police force with serious resources. How often did we hear all during the campaign, all during the last three years of the Iraq war, the last four years, how often did we hear that Afghanistan is the place we ought to be, not Iraq, Afghanistan is where Osama is. We haven't captured Osama. We gotta go to Afghanistan, we gotta win there, just get out of Iraq, we need to reallocate our resources to Afghanistan. So we gradually pull out of Iraq. And now all of a sudden we're hearing, "Ah, let's get out of Afghanistan, too. We can't win. Let's focus on Iran." Well, what the hell? The latest on Iran is that Zbigniew Brzezinski is advising the US military to shoot down Israeli jets if they launch an attack. We actually have Americans advising Americans to shoot down Israeli jets, that that would be in the best interests for Obama, the best interests for America. We can't win in Iraq. You can't fight wars this way. You cannot set national policy this way.

If we leave Afghanistan we create a terrorist nation. It's right on the border with Pakistan and may topple that government, then what happens to India? They're not going to sit around and let this happen. You know, they've nuked up. They're not going to sit around and just let all this overrun them. But these liberal elites: "Oh, man we gotta get into Afghanistan, we gotta really go there, we gotta get Osama, we gotta get out of Iraq." And then they take us to war, and then they can't wait to declare defeat. They take us to war and the last thing they want to do is win. Some phony conservatives are at this, too, becoming more and more populist rather than principled: "We need to get out of there."

So where do we take a stand? We're not going to take a stand in Iraq under this guy. We're not going to take a stand in Afghanistan, apparently. We're not going to make a stand in Iran, not Poland, not Czech Republic, not Latin America. Where are we going to take a stand? We're under assault everywhere. We're siding with our enemies. Where are we going to take a stand? We're not going to take a stand, you know why? We are willingly relinquishing our superpower status. Yeah, that's old-fashioned. It's unproductive to global cooperation, because we need to cooperate globally on the climate, on the swine flu, on bank regulations, and executive compensation. And that's what the agenda of this administration.

LosAngelesSooner
9/21/2009, 08:04 PM
Rush Limbaugh is the fringe voice of intolerance, hate and bigotry...not to mention hypocrisy.

To quote him is to quote nothing, for he represents no thought, only hate.

To espouse his beliefs is to negate any substance in any argument you may be trying to make.

JohnnyMack
9/21/2009, 08:47 PM
What's going to be humorous is watching Tuba try and explain how the situation in Afghanistan is Obamas fault. That ought to be entertaining.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/22/2009, 12:41 AM
What's going to be humorous is watching Tuba try and explain how the situation in Afghanistan is Obamas fault. That ought to be entertaining.How silly. You can argue better than that.

SoonerProphet
9/22/2009, 09:37 AM
http://vdare.com/buchanan/090921_abkhazia.htm

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2009, 09:53 AM
What's going to be humorous is watching Tuba try and explain how the situation in Afghanistan is Obamas fault. That ought to be entertaining.Not sure how losing a war would be entertaining, but whatever.

The fact is Obama said we need more troops, and he is getting weak in the knees on us. And now there is a rumor that our top general over there may resign.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2009/09/mcchrystal_to_resign_if_not_gi.php

But i'm sure this is all Boosh's fault some how...

JohnnyMack
9/22/2009, 09:59 AM
Not sure how losing a war would be entertaining, but whatever.

The fact is Obama said we need more troops, and he is getting weak in the knees on us. And now there is a rumor that our top general over there may resign.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2009/09/mcchrystal_to_resign_if_not_gi.php

But i'm sure this is all Boosh's fault some how...

Yeah our post 09/11 Middle East foreign policy (aka: The Disaster) is pretty much on W's shoulders for now.

NormanPride
9/22/2009, 10:16 AM
Not sure how losing a war would be entertaining, but whatever.

What does this mean? I am confused as to where JM said anything about losing the war.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/22/2009, 11:29 AM
What does this mean? I am confused as to where JM said anything about losing the war.What do you say?

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2009, 11:43 AM
What does this mean? I am confused as to where JM said anything about losing the war.You mean you don't understand what JM thinks we shouln't be blaming Obama for???? What's so hard to understand about that??? :confused:

I Am Right
9/22/2009, 12:18 PM
Rush Limbaugh is the fringe voice of intolerance, hate and bigotry...not to mention hypocrisy.

To quote him is to quote nothing, for he represents no thought, only hate.

To espouse his beliefs is to negate any substance in any argument you may be trying to make.

Wow, how tolerant.

yermom
9/22/2009, 12:24 PM
you got anything else you want to copy and paste?

Tulsa_Fireman
9/22/2009, 01:10 PM
I do.


BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A MACK, A PIMP, A PLAYER!

AV415yit7Zg

DO YOU GOT WHORE IN YOU?

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2009, 01:16 PM
Wow, how tolerant.Well, if anyone knows tolerance of others, its LAS.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/22/2009, 02:16 PM
Well, if anyone knows tolerance of others, its LAS.Someone above had to quote him. I believe he's campaigning to replace Mark Lloyd as the new Radio Czar, haha!:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSooner
"Rush Limbaugh is the fringe voice of intolerance, hate and bigotry...not to mention hypocrisy.
To quote him is to quote nothing, for he represents no thought, only hate.
To espouse his beliefs is to negate any substance in any argument you may be trying to make."

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 03:13 PM
Wow, how tolerant.
I don't tolerate bigots, racists, hate mongers and traitors to the U.S.

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 03:17 PM
Someone above had to quote him. I believe he's campaigning to replace Mark Lloyd as the new Radio Czar, haha!:

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSooner
"Rush Limbaugh is the fringe voice of intolerance, hate and bigotry...not to mention hypocrisy.
To quote him is to quote nothing, for he represents no thought, only hate.
To espouse his beliefs is to negate any substance in any argument you may be trying to make."If I met Rush Limbaugh I would gladly and happily punch him in his dick, if I could find the little Tic Tack under his rolls of fat, and suffer the consequences of his crying, whining, my going to jail and him suing my balls off.

But the subsequent book deals and talk show appearances would more than compensate me for the lost money, so yeah...I'd punch the fat little turd. And watch him cry like the hypocritical, blow hard, windbag bitch that he is.

OklahomaTuba
9/22/2009, 03:38 PM
I don't tolerate bigots, racists, hate mongers and traitors to the U.S.So you're saying you hate yourself????

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 04:47 PM
Again, Tuba...work on your comebacks.

"I know you are but what am I..."???

Really? I would hope you could come up with better than this. But then again, am I actually surprised? Nah...not really.

yermom
9/22/2009, 05:02 PM
If I met Rush Limbaugh I would gladly and happily punch him in his dick, if I could find the little Tic Tack under his rolls of fat, and suffer the consequences of his crying, whining, my going to jail and him suing my balls off.

But the subsequent book deals and talk show appearances would more than compensate me for the lost money, so yeah...I'd punch the fat little turd. And watch him cry like the hypocritical, blow hard, windbag bitch that he is.

i'd just try to bum some pills off him

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 05:18 PM
You actually think that massive mass of blubber, lies and hate would have any extra pills? He probably needs a quadruple dose of everything just to feel a tingly sensation in his toesies.

yermom
9/22/2009, 05:21 PM
i'm not saying i'd expect any, i'd just ask for some :D

I Am Right
9/22/2009, 07:29 PM
I don't tolerate bigots, racists, hate mongers and traitors to the U.S.

Name calling at its best!

I Am Right
9/22/2009, 07:33 PM
You actually think that massive mass of blubber, lies and hate would have any extra pills? He probably needs a quadruple dose of everything just to feel a tingly sensation in his toesies.

"If you are 20 yrs old and not a liberial you do not have a heart, If you are 40yrs old and not a conservative you dont have a brain"

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 08:02 PM
Name calling at its best!Name calling would be if what I was saying weren't true.

You know...kinda like Rush Limbaugh does every single day on his show.


"If you are 20 yrs old and not a liberial you do not have a heart, If you are 40yrs old and not a conservative you dont have a brain"Ah...THAT tired old worn out quote. Thank God you didn't try to think up anything original and just trotted that old three legged dog out again. :D

Tell me this...how do you justify accusing Liberals of "not having a brain" and ALSO accuse them of being overly educated, Ivy League elitists in the same breath?

I'll wait for you to get back to me on that one. ;)

Sooner_Havok
9/22/2009, 08:47 PM
Why can't RLIMC figure out how to use the quote button right? Is it that hard?

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 09:33 PM
He's as lazy at posting as he is at thinking.

Turd_Ferguson
9/22/2009, 09:53 PM
"If you are 20 yrs old and not a liberial you do not have a heart, If you are 40yrs old and not a conservative you dont have a brain"So true. All these "young'ns" got it figger'd out.:rolleyes:

Sooner_Havok
9/22/2009, 10:01 PM
He's as lazy at posting as he is at thinking.

Doesn't it take more time to do what he does than to just hit the damn quote button? I just don't get it.

SicEmBaylor
9/22/2009, 10:03 PM
I weep for the Republic.

I also weep for conservatism and those who do it little justice and make us all look like room temperature IQ loons.

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 11:02 PM
I weep for the Republic.

I also weep for conservatism and those who do it little justice and make us all look like room temperature IQ loons.Hear! Hear!

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 11:03 PM
So true. All these "young'ns" got it figger'd out.:rolleyes:Yeah.

And there's nobody intelligent over 40 on the "left." Yeahsureyoubetcha. :rolleyes:


Doesn't it take more time to do what he does than to just hit the damn quote button? I just don't get it.Neither does he. :D

LosAngelesSooner
9/22/2009, 11:19 PM
Quote of the day:

"I never gag." - Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) 09-22-09 08:24 PM

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/22/2009, 11:55 PM
I weep for the Republic.

I also weep for conservatism and those who do it little justice and make us all look like room temperature IQ loons.Run for office, tiger.

LosAngelesSooner
9/23/2009, 12:52 AM
The irony of you responding to his quote...:D

Sooner_Havok
9/23/2009, 08:07 AM
Terrorist fist jab for RLIMC!!

Quote Button, woot woot!

I Am Right
9/23/2009, 09:24 AM
Name calling would be if what I was saying weren't true.

You know...kinda like Rush Limbaugh does every single day on his show.

Ah...THAT tired old worn out quote. Thank God you didn't try to think up anything original and just trotted that old three legged dog out again. :D

Tell me this...how do you justify accusing Liberals of "not having a brain" and ALSO accuse them of being overly educated, Ivy League elitists in the same breath?

I'll wait for you to get back to me on that one. ;)

Impune, Impune-what a wonderful world liberals live in.

I Am Right
9/23/2009, 09:30 AM
Hey LAsooner, Rush is in Los Angeles today, I don't think he has a force field around him big fella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turd_Ferguson
9/23/2009, 09:54 AM
Hey LAsooner, Rush is in Los Angeles today, I don't think he has a force field around him big fella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LAS is over in the land of nervous sheep film'n a movie. Pay tention.

I Am Right
9/23/2009, 09:58 AM
LAS is over in the land of nervous sheep film'n a movie. Pay tention.

He is really makin a movie with sheep?

Sooner_Havok
9/23/2009, 03:50 PM
Hey LAsooner, Rush is in Los Angeles today, I don't think he has a force field around him big fella!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, LAS loves Rush more than I do. :D

Least he better since he got to hang out with Rush and I didn't :mad:

I Am Right
9/23/2009, 03:53 PM
Dude, LAS loves Rush more than I do. :D

Least he better since he got to hang out with Rush and I didn't :mad:

What is up with the signatures being longer than the post?

Sooner_Havok
9/23/2009, 03:58 PM
What is up with the signatures being longer than the post?

I don't know, what's up with you copying and pasting the thoughts of others more than writing out your own thoughts?

LosAngelesSooner
9/23/2009, 05:48 PM
Impune, Impune-what a wonderful world liberals live in.The only frustrating thing about trying to get in a "zzzing war" with the ultra-right crazies is that none of them are actually intelligent and creative enough to come back with anything worthy. :rolleyes:

Kinda sucks always pulling the curtain back on the Wizard.

SicEmBaylor
9/23/2009, 06:09 PM
Run for office, tiger.

Well, I did. I lost.