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OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 09:34 AM
From the guy who wrote one of Bin Laden's favorite books no less (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/bin-ladens-reading-list-for-americans/?hp). Thanks Jimmah!!

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African American," http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/carter.obama/index.html?section=cnn_latest

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 09:35 AM
You spin everything, don't you? I saw that this morning and thought it would make for an interesting discussion. Thanks for ****ing it up.

GottaHavePride
9/16/2009, 09:38 AM
Heh. Oddly enough, I think Jimmy might be right in this case, though he's probably overstating the case. I don't think you can ignore that factor when you're talking about this sort of thing.

TheHumanAlphabet
9/16/2009, 09:38 AM
I truly truly wish he would just go away. I hate to say die, because that is not nice, but he just needs to shut his pie hole.

I like how the dems, progressives and libs are trying to make the 50+% of the people opposed to their regime as being "racists". In fact the people are against tyranny, socialism, increased government spending and the like. If Jimmah was the President and trying to put these policies in effect - the same protests would be happening.

Jimmah was the worst governor of Georgia - ever. Took two administrations to fix what he "F-ed" up. He should just stick to hammering nails - about all the good he is worth.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 09:42 AM
Heh. Oddly enough, I think Jimmy might be right in this case, though he's probably overstating the case.
You really think so?

Damn, and here i thought quadrupling the national debt, trying to take over the private sector, and double digit unemployment had something to do with it. Silly me...

Tulsa_Fireman
9/16/2009, 11:03 AM
http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/white_women.jpg

WHERE ALL DE WHITE WIMMEN AT!?

Frozen Sooner
9/16/2009, 11:07 AM
Some of you guys are really really bad at statistics.

Fraggle145
9/16/2009, 11:08 AM
You really think so?

Damn, and here i thought quadrupling the national debt, trying to take over the private sector, and double digit unemployment had something to do with it. Silly me...

Where were all these people when Bush was doing damn near the same thing?

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 11:10 AM
Where were all these people when Bush was doing damn near the same thing?

no ****, buncha halfwit partisan hacks...but we knew that would be the story.

49r
9/16/2009, 11:10 AM
I agree that the extremely vocal opposition is racially driven. But, I also believe that a black man's failed presidency will do more for breaking down racial barriers than having him become godlike. So, I'm OK with fighting him tooth and nail on his projects...all except the one where he wants the kids to learn.


How so? It seems counter-intuitive to me.

FWIW, I'm not sure if there will ever be a way to completely break down racial barriers. People are naturally organizers and are more inclined to compartmentalize things in their minds because it is much too difficult to, well, not do...

Fraggle145
9/16/2009, 11:15 AM
How so? It seems counter-intuitive to me.

FWIW, I'm not sure if there will ever be a way to completely break down racial barriers. People are naturally organizers and are more inclined to compartmentalize things in their minds because it is much too difficult to, well, not do...

There surely will on both sides. But I think they could be minimized. Its basically about getting your mind or the mind of the culture to switch the boundaries of its categories. If you get everyone into the human group where black, white, pink, purple, etc... was a sub-group it would help.

49r
9/16/2009, 11:16 AM
There surely will on both sides. But I think they could be minimized. Its basically about getting your mind or the mind of the culture to switch the boundaries of its categories. If you get everyone into the human group where black, white, pink, purple, etc... was a sub-group it would help.


Yeah, but another thing we tend to like to do is rank stuff. We need to know which sub groups are in what order...see what I'm saying?

My Opinion Matters
9/16/2009, 11:25 AM
Yeah, but another thing we tend to like to do is rank stuff. We need to know which sub groups are in what order...see what I'm saying?

OU > Texas.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:26 AM
Where were all these people when Bush was doing damn near the same thing?You do realize Bush didn't spend a 1/4 of what Dear Leader has proposed, right?????

Or tried to take over the health care and auto industry????

And unemployment averaged about HALF of what it is now when he was in the Whitehouse.

So obviously people are pissed cause BO is half black, cause who would object to record debt, record unemployment and government run industry???

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 11:27 AM
Yeah, but another thing we tend to like to do is rank stuff. We need to know which sub groups are in what order...see what I'm saying?

Same thing would happen if we elected a Jewish president. Imagine the e-mails that would circulate (especially around these parts) if Bloomberg got elected.

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 11:27 AM
You do realize Bush didn't spend a 1/4 of what Dear Leader has proposed, right?????

Or tried to take over the health care and auto industry????

And unemployment averaged about HALF of what it is now when he was in the Whitehouse.

So obviously people are pissed cause BO is half black, cause who would object to record debt, record unemployment and government run industry???

You're so intellectually dishonest it hurts.

Bourbon St Sooner
9/16/2009, 11:28 AM
Frankly, I think there's more distaste for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi than Obama.

Anyways, here we are again with the state of political discourse in this country in the age of internet blogging and 24 hour news. If you questioned the last president you were unpatriotic. If you question this president you're racist. If you questioned Clinton, James Carville went on tv to call you everything but a street pimp (actually, I think he accused folks of that too).

Sigh! The extremes yell at each other and middle is driven to watching reality tv. No wonder people are so pissed off.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:28 AM
no ****, buncha halfwit partisan hacks...but we knew that would be the story.That's funny, considering its an ex-democratic President slandering all those he disagrees with racists.

Very Presidential if I do say so.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:30 AM
You're so intellectually dishonest it hurts.Translation: Tuba is right on the money, as usual, and I have no facts to refute what he says so I will just call him a name or something and go hide.

My Opinion Matters
9/16/2009, 11:37 AM
You're a natural for comedy, Tuba.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:38 AM
Or maybe people are pissed because they see stuff like massive tax increases for the middle class coming from the donks..

The Baucus proposal would impose, starting in 2013, a 35 percent excise tax on insurance companies for "high-cost plans" -- defined as those above $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for family plans.
...

The tax contemplated by Baucus is also a big revenue raiser. It is expected to raise $200 billion, money that Baucus is hoping to use to pay for subsidies for the uninsured.

...

Referring to Baucus, Rockefeller said, "He should understand that (his proposal) means that virtually every single coal miner is going to have a big, big tax put on them because the tax will be put on the company and the company will immediately pass it down and lower benefits because they are self insured, most of them, because they are larger. They will pass it down, lower benefits, and probably this will mean higher premiums for coal miners who are getting very good health care benefits for a very good reason. That is, like steelworkers and others, they are doing about the most dangerous job that can be done in America."

"So that’s not really a smart idea," Rockefeller continued. "In fact, it’s a very dangerous idea, and I’m not even sure the coal miners in West Virginia are aware that this is what is waiting if this bill passes."http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/09/dem-senator-warns-of-big-big-tax-on-middle-class-in-baucus-bill.html

But again, its all about race.....

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 11:40 AM
That's funny, considering its an ex-democratic President slandering all those he disagrees with racists.

Very Presidential if I do say so.

There is nothing funny about. It is the same old song a dance just with different nitwits. For the last eight years if you were against the policies of Bush you hated him, the country, or some such other nonsense. Now that the shoe is another foot and the other side is crying like little bitches. I realize it has been going on since time immemorial, it just gets old.

49r
9/16/2009, 11:42 AM
OU > Texas.

Exactly. Now to add another dimension, we have the matter of perspective. "From where I stand, x>y>z" and so on. Nobody's perspective is the same either, so we begin to devolve into a bunch of white noise on a topic.

Modern communication tools give more folks a voice and then we get even more white noise.

So in order to grant people the opportunity to gain an understanding of our unique perspective we become louder and louder and more and more single minded in our message, problem is, everyone else is doing it too which only has the effect of louder white noise.

It's getting awful loud in here.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:47 AM
For the last eight years if you were against the policies of Bush you hated him, the country, or some such other nonsense.You know, I don't recall any ex-republican Presidents calling folks that disagreed with them anti-American. Do you???

conversely, I do recall plenty of slander thrown at our troops while they were serving overseas.

Even on the floor of the US Senate of all places.

And it was called out for what it was, as it should have been.

Fraggle145
9/16/2009, 11:50 AM
Frankly, I think there's more distaste for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi than Obama.

Anyways, here we are again with the state of political discourse in this country in the age of internet blogging and 24 hour news. If you questioned the last president you were unpatriotic. If you question this president you're racist. If you questioned Clinton, James Carville went on tv to call you everything but a street pimp (actually, I think he accused folks of that too).

Sigh! The extremes yell at each other and middle is driven to watching reality tv. No wonder people are so pissed off.

Yep. When there isnt anything good to watch on TV I get pissed off. :D That's why I love football season.

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 11:51 AM
You know, I don't recall any ex-republican Presidents calling folks that disagreed with them anti-American. Do you???

conversely, I do recall plenty of slander thrown at our troops while they were serving overseas.

Even on the floor of the US Senate of all places.

And it was called out for what it was, as it should have been.

Most of them were f*ucking dead and the other was his dad...jesus christ is it really that hard for you.

Fraggle145
9/16/2009, 11:51 AM
Translation: Tuba is right on the money, as usual, and I have no facts to refute what he says so I will just call him a name or something and go hide.

This is funny coming from you.

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:52 AM
It's getting awful loud in here.

Yes it is.

But never fear, "investigations" are now being proposed to deal with this "noise" we used to call free speech and dissent...


The media should investigate the racial views of conservative activists like the ones who descended on Washington last weekend, one liberal congresswoman said Wednesday.

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said that it's not enough for African-Americans to levy allegations of racism against the right-leaning protesters, and that the media must look into their views.http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/59015-waters-media-must-investigate-right-wing-protesters-for-racism

My Opinion Matters
9/16/2009, 11:52 AM
Most of them were f*ucking dead and the other was his dad...jesus christ is it really that hard for you.

It's Tuba.

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 11:52 AM
conversely, I do recall plenty of slander thrown at our troops while they were serving overseas.

Even on the floor of the US Senate of all places.



I am going to regret this...but link?

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:56 AM
I am going to regret this...but link?
Really??

Wow, ok..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FaSEQ-fKc

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 11:58 AM
More racism..

The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/15/taking_liberties/entry5314040.shtml

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/16/2009, 12:00 PM
Where were all these people when Bush was doing damn near the same thing?ACORN, expropriation of segments of the private sector, hiring tax-evading socialist czars,spending more than all other presidents combined, etc. Yeah, where was everyone when Bush did this kind of stuff?

Frozen Sooner
9/16/2009, 12:01 PM
Math sure is hard for some people.

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 12:02 PM
Really??

Wow, ok..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FaSEQ-fKc

You are the master of context Tuba, can't get nothing past you.

TheHumanAlphabet
9/16/2009, 12:04 PM
Where were all these people when Bush was doing damn near the same thing?

They were getting going. The fiscal conservatives and the Libertarians were up in arms. They were even shouting. They just hadn't found the amount of people yet, the venue or the multiple grievances that Obama has offered to find the right voice. But plenty of people were screaming at Bush - I for one.

Fraggle145
9/16/2009, 12:13 PM
hiring tax-evading socialist czars,

I blame Reagan.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/16/2009, 12:19 PM
I blame Reagan.I get it...huh?

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 12:55 PM
Translation: Tuba is right on the money, as usual, and I have no facts to refute what he says so I will just call him a name or something and go hide.

Tuba I don't feel like having yet another one of these debates, so let's just go forward with the accepted notion that everything in your world is good/bad, positive/negative, democrat/republican, blah, blah, blah.

Might I suggest:

http://lissa10279.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/gray.jpg

49r
9/16/2009, 12:55 PM
Yes it is.

But never fear, "investigations" are now being proposed to deal with this "noise" we used to call free speech and dissent...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/59015-waters-media-must-investigate-right-wing-protesters-for-racism

You're kinda illustrating my point for me, but this is not what I'm talking about.

I was talking about how the failure of Obama as president actually improving race relations seemed counter intuitive to me and explained my thoughts as to why.

I am interested in learning though, so I'd like to hear how the failure of Obama's presidency would help improve race relations.

sooneron
9/16/2009, 01:08 PM
I would just like to say that Rush's thread about Michael Moore is a much better thread!


http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-09/49285444.jpg

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/16/2009, 02:03 PM
Anyone ever heard Jimmuh referred to as "The National Hemorroid"? It's kinda catchy...

OklahomaTuba
9/16/2009, 02:59 PM
I am interested in learning though, so I'd like to hear how the failure of Obama's presidency would help improve race relations.One could only hope that Obama's attack dogs could understand the damage they are doing by resorting to such slanderous accusations against the growing (and boy is it growing) opposition movement.

I'd love hear how rolling out an ex-President so he can accuse folks who disagree with Obama politically as being racist will help race relations???

StoopTroup
9/16/2009, 03:29 PM
One could only hope that Obama's attack dogs could understand the damage they are doing by resorting to such slanderous accusations against the growing (and boy is it growing) opposition movement.



WTH....they don't look that tough to me...

http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obama_dog.jpg

49r
9/16/2009, 03:36 PM
One could only hope that Obama's attack dogs could understand the damage they are doing by resorting to such slanderous accusations against the growing (and boy is it growing) opposition movement.

I'd love hear how rolling out an ex-President so he can accuse folks who disagree with Obama politically as being racist will help race relations???

So, the failure of Obama's presidency fixing race relations is somehow related to attack dogs understanding the damage they are doing by resorting to such slanderous accusations agains the growing (and boy is it growing) opposition movement.

I would love to hear how rolling out an ex-President so he can accuse folks who disagree with Obama politically as being racist will help race relations, too. But first let's explore more in depth the first part.

So, because Obama's attack dogs don't understand the damage they are doing by resorting to such slanderous accusations - that is hurting race relations. Could you perhaps expand on this thought?

Are you implying that the Obama administration instructed President Carter to come out with this statement? Are you implying that by insulting the average American's sensibility by calling them out as being inherently racist, this tactic is actually counterproductive to the ultimate goal and is actually hurting race relations?

It's an interesting theory. But I'm still not sure how the failure of Obama's administration would do anything to improve race relations, however...any ideas on that? This is really what I'm interested in.

I Am Right
9/16/2009, 04:04 PM
Jimmy is an idiot.

85Sooner
9/16/2009, 04:26 PM
Jimmy is an idiot.
He's a noisy hemorrhoid that popped out of the public orifice!

Oldnslo
9/16/2009, 04:40 PM
It's fair to say that I've lost some... well, a whole lot

actually, pretty much any and all respect I once had for Jimmy.

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 04:45 PM
It seems to me that people who openly push for the recognition of a Palestinian state and/or people who don't kiss Israel's *** aren't well received in the states. I'm not making a judgment, rather an observation.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/16/2009, 05:03 PM
It seems to me that people who openly push for the recognition of a Palestinian state and/or people who don't kiss Israel's *** aren't well received in the states. I'm not making a judgment, rather an observation.SURPRISE! Didn't the Palestinians elect Hamas to lead them?haha

OKLA21FAN
9/16/2009, 05:12 PM
You are out of touch imo, if:
You think that there isn't racism playing in the current national political scene.
You think that racism isn't always played in any political scene.
You think that the race card (by either side) will not be used over and over for the next 3+ whatever years.

This is a "Race" presidency and that's a good thing. You don't just have the first "anything" president and everybody just be fine with it. We will have hurdles and challenges but the good part is that it has to be addressed now and not just shoved to the side. I really think that it may get really ugly before this term is over but it's an essential healing step for the nation.

Chuck Bao
9/16/2009, 05:40 PM
You are out of touch imo, if:
You think that there isn't racism playing in the current national political scene.
You think that racism isn't always played in any political scene.
You think that the race card (by either side) will not be used over and over for the next 3+ whatever years.

This is a "Race" presidency and that's a good thing. You don't just have the first "anything" president and everybody just be fine with it. We will have hurdles and challenges but the good part is that it has to be addressed now and not just shoved to the side. I really think that it may get really ugly before this term is over but it's an essential healing step for the nation.

Agree. Good post and spek.

Jimmah Carter did what other former presidents didn't. He brought out what is necessary and made it obvious.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
9/16/2009, 05:46 PM
You are out of touch imo, if:
You think that there isn't racism playing in the current national political scene.
You think that racism isn't always played in any political scene.
You think that the race card (by either side) will not be used over and over for the next 3+ whatever years.

This is a "Race" presidency and that's a good thing. You don't just have the first "anything" president and everybody just be fine with it. We will have hurdles and challenges but the good part is that it has to be addressed now and not just shoved to the side. I really think that it may get really ugly before this term is over but it's an essential healing step for the nation.Yep. As long as there are liberals, there will be race cards pulled.

SoonerProphet
9/16/2009, 05:58 PM
Agree. Good post and spek.

Jimmah Carter did what other former presidents didn't. He brought out what is necessary and made it obvious.

Yep, and that was a nice post.

If you do not see racism on both sides of the political/social issue of race you are deluded or a ninny....hypocrisy knows no bounds

I think the same applies to JM post as well. Sure the cat has a whole lot of detractors, but it may be because he speaks the truth on many issues. One thing you can say about Jimmy is he is not a hypocrite. Prolly why he was such a political failure in many ways.

SoonerNate
9/16/2009, 06:35 PM
Carter, Bush, now Obama. Why are so many of our Presidents so arrogant?

A Sooner in Texas
9/16/2009, 07:22 PM
I remember the Bush campaign slandering John McCain in South Carolina by spreading the lie that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child.

Sounds pretty much like pulling the race card to me.

JohnnyMack
9/16/2009, 07:45 PM
Carter, Bush, now Obama. Why are so many of our Presidents so arrogant?

Because it takes an insane amount of ego to even want the job in the first place.

OklahomaTuba
9/17/2009, 09:08 AM
One thing you can say about Jimmy is he is not a hypocrite.I'm sure Osama Bin Laden thought the same thing while recommending his Jew bashing book.

SoonerProphet
9/17/2009, 09:22 AM
I'm sure Osama Bin Laden thought the same thing while recommending his Jew bashing book.

I realize distinction is a void concept for you, but try to understand that Jews and the state of Israel are in fact different.

Oldnslo
9/17/2009, 09:23 AM
I don't think Jimmy is a hypocrite. I think he's misguided. Incorrect. Wrong. I don't think he's stupid. To the contrary, it takes a whole lot of learnin' to be as wrong as he is.

Yes, in order to be President, you have to have mucho ego. Personally, I don't know why anyone would want a job so demanding that it necessarily exposes any flaw one might have.

Someday, race won't be an issue. Unfortunately, I think we'll have to wait until de Tocquville's prediction comes true. (That, because of slavery, there will be racial tensions until there has been such intermarriage and "mixed" offspring that it becomes irrelevant).

You know when a Jew becomes a Kike? As soon as he leaves the room.

It's an old joke, one that I've obviously never found funny, but also one that I've lived. Change the working a bit, and so has Tiger. So has Obama. I wonder if Jimmy was ever on the giving side of the joke?

I digress.

OklahomaTuba
9/17/2009, 09:27 AM
I realize distinction is a void concept for you, but try to understand that Jews and the state of Israel are in fact different.Ahh ok, so when Bin Laden and the rest of them talk about destroying Israel, they really mean just "the state of Israel" and not really the people who reside in said country who happen to be of the Jewish faith. Gotcha.

I love nuanced antisemitism.

SoonerProphet
9/17/2009, 09:33 AM
Ahh ok, so when Bin Laden and the rest of them talk about destroying Israel, they really mean just "the state of Israel" and not really the people who reside in said country who happen to be of the Jewish faith. Gotcha.

I love nuanced antisemitism.

Yeah, cause Carter and OBL are incahoots.

The mere uttererance by you of the word nuance cracks me the f*ck up.

OklahomaTuba
9/17/2009, 09:36 AM
Yeah, cause Carter and OBL are incahoots.

The mere uttererance by you of the word nuance cracks me the f*ck up.I didn't say they were "incahoots", just asking if it could be the same.

After all, Jimmuh is a white man from the south. We all know how racist & bigoted those folks are. He even told us so...

stoopified
9/17/2009, 10:58 AM
the possibility that it is the white half of Obama that is being criticized. :D
Maybe everyone is down on whitey.

homerSimpsonsBrain
9/17/2009, 04:03 PM
I suspect Carter is right in the fact that some folks feel that way but wrong in trying to say its anything like the majorty of opponents. Its a lot more acceptable to say "Obama shouldn't be president because he's not really a US citizen" than it is to say he shouldn't be president because he's Black. But that's such a small minority of folks that oppose Obama its not worth saying and on top of that, Carter is not helping keep the focus on what Obama wants the media talking about. I suspect the administration would like Jimmy to take a hike.

TopDawg
9/17/2009, 05:37 PM
From the article:


"When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds," the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.

"I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.

"It's a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both Democratic leaders and Republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the United States," Carter said.

Carter's comments came a day after he said racial politics played a role in South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst during Obama's speech to Congress last week and in some of the opposition the president has faced since taking office.

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American," Carter told "NBC Nightly News."

"I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that shares the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African-Americans."

Michael Steele, the first African-American to chair the Republican National Committee, denied Wednesday that race is fueling protests.

"President Carter is flat-out wrong," Steele said in a statement. "This isn't about race. It is about policy."

Carter is saying that the personal attacks are influenced by race. Specifically, the "intensely demonstrated animosity toward" Obama. He's not saying that disagreements about policy are based on race, but that intensely demonstrated animosity towards Obama is.

So when Steele disagrees, is he saying that he thinks that people who say Obama is an animal, a reincarnation of Hitler or should have been buried with Kennedy merely have policy issues with Obama? Would Steele call Obama an animal because he doesn't like his health care proposal?

Personally, I disagree with Carter on this. I think the personal attacks are fueled more by ignorance than by race. It just so happens that a lot of racists are also ignorant, so it's sometimes hard to see the difference.

GrapevineSooner
9/17/2009, 05:46 PM
"When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds," the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.

"I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.

For the record (and I mentioned this in another thread), the Obama as Hitler comparisons were made by the Larouche Loonies. A band of ridiculously radical left wingers that feel nothing less than a single payer system is Nazism.

And to be clear, I'm not painting anyone else with a broad brush. There's nothing I hate more than the jackassed attempt to smear a large group with the words, actions, and feelings of a fringe movement. It poisons the well of discussion.

That having been said, racism will ALWAYS exist in one form or another. So does bigotry...of all stripes.

Including political bigotry, which the left was infected with when Bush was President. Had to be, unless some of them hated Bush because he was white.

Either way, I agree with TD that such personal attacks, no matter who the politician is or what party they belong to, is based on ignorance, narrow mindedness, and a gobsmacking inability to engage in any level of critical thinking.

TopDawg
9/17/2009, 06:07 PM
Either way, I agree with TD that such personal attacks, no matter who the politician is or what party they belong to, is based on ignorance, narrow mindedness, and a gobsmacking inability to engage in any level of critical thinking.

I can see why Carter's paradigm (having grown up in the south, lived through the Civil Rights Act, etc.) could lead him to see racism as a big player in the personal attacks. But it's deeper than that. Like you said
Including political bigotry, which the left was infected with when Bush was President. Had to be, unless some of them hated Bush because he was white.

It's gotta be ignorance (and the other stuff you mentioned).

I'd still like to know if Steele would call Obama an animal because he doesn't like his health care proposal.