Murray or Brown

[meoveryouxinfinity]

discuss.



Murray, Murray, Murray all day.

[btk108]

Brown

[CK Sooner]

Last night Murray did better than Brown.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

I have always been a fan of Murray but lastnight Brown outplayed Murray.

No excuse for all the fumbles Murray had.

[CK Sooner]

I wish they would have given more carries to Murray that game. He had a fumble, but the guys helmet hit it at full speed...

[adoniijahsooner]

No excuse for all the fumbles Murray had.

That's what happens when you are held out if live contact for the entire preseason, and then thrown into a game with a top 20 team and not Chattanooga.

[My Opinion Matters]

They're both great backs. This is why K. Wilson opted for Calhoun/Madu/Clapp instead.

[TheUnnamedSooner]

I wish they would have given more carries to Murray that game. He had a fumble, but the guys helmet hit it at full speed...

There was more than one fumble.

[CK Sooner]

There was more than one fumble.

Are you talking about where Landry Jones handed to him and he dropped it?

[TheUnnamedSooner]

No. I don't remember what play it was, but he fumbled after he crossed the line of scrimmage. He fumbled as he was going down and actually landed on the ball.

[CK Sooner]

No. I don't remember what play it was, but he fumbled after he crossed the line of scrimmage. He fumbled as he was going down and actually landed on the ball.

I remember it now.

[SoonernAR]

Murray has better vision and is more athletic, Brown is tougher and has more power. So it depends on the down and distance who would be a better choice, last night they weren't used correctly for most of the game.

[sooner59]

Murray if he just quits fumbling. Murray might have cost us the game with his fumbling. If we even get a FG out of that possession, we win. If Murray keeps fumbling, I say have a running back duo of Brown and Calhoun. And why did we not get the ball to Madu more? Short passes let him work in open field, which is where he excels.

[landrun]

I've learned to trust them both. It seems to me that one will get hot from time to time and when that happens, I say just leave them in ... and don't start throwing.

[o0Dan0o]

Murray for the Heisman!

[StoopTroup]

Murray for the Heisman!

Bookem dano!


oODanO0

Spent time on board: 3 Days and 9:17:01 Hours

Glad to have ya aboard! :rolleyes:

[jkjsooner]

To summarize

1. Coaches were wrong to play Madu and Calhoun since Brown and Murray are our best backs.
2. Why didn't the coaches give Madu more touches?

See, it's not hard for the coaches to make everyone happy. ;-)

[Curly Bill]

They're both great backs. This is why K. Wilson opted for Calhoun/Madu/Clapp instead.

Politically you and I aren't even on the same page. We might have some things in common with this football thing though. :O

[Curly Bill]

Oh, and the correct answer is Brown.

[goingoneight]

Brown against stacked fronts because he weeds through traffic well... but Murray at full strength and it's not even close. And Chris Brown has had plenty of fumbles he fell back on in his day too.

[rainiersooner]

They're both great backs. This is why K. Wilson opted for Calhoun/Madu/Clapp instead.

^^^This.

[rainiersooner]

To summarize

1. Coaches were wrong to play Madu and Calhoun since Brown and Murray are our best backs.
2. Why didn't the coaches give Madu more touches?

See, it's not hard for the coaches to make everyone happy. ;-)

Madu should have been given more touches in the slot, which is what I thought we moved him to this year.

[RJSooner]

Brown.

Brown always seems to be good for positive yards.


Murray seems to go down too easily on first contact... needs the first 5 yards given to him.. then he's good.

[My Opinion Matters]

Politically you and I aren't even on the same page. We might have some things in common with this football thing though. :O

Politically we're not as far apart as you might think. I'm not going to go LAS on you and shout I'm really a conservative! (no offense LAS, love ya buddy) but my cynical apathy towards simple bipartisan politics is often mistaken for liberalism.

Anyway, it's good to see we can agree on some things.:O :) Unfortunate that it takes inept play-calling and a loss for that to become evident. :mad:

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Brown.

Brown always seems to be good for positive yards.


Murray seems to go down too easily on first contact... needs the first 5 yards given to him.. then he's good.

LOL funny. I feel the exact opposite. Murry will spin out of a tackle for 5 more yards, where as Brown will carry the defender on his back for 2 more yards.


5>2

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Murray. Still. Even at the goal line.

[SoonerLB]

I'm just happy the stable is full, and they are all good!
And my thoughts on the Idaho State game are that the coaches wanted to use the opportunity to see some others in action, and give them some game experience. As to Madu, we know what he can do, and they probably don't want to show all of our cards just yet. Gotta keep upcoming opponents from seeing everything on film ya know (I hope that's the reason anyway). ;)

[StoopTroup]

After seeing Brown's 2 runs against Idaho State on the goal line. I'll go with Murray. But Chris is a good back...I think he needs to practice hitting a Humvee head on for awhile though...then when he runs into a Yugo he'll knock them to the side and get his 2 yards.

[Gresho Murford]

Why was miller playing? Do we think that our recruits coming in next year are that good?

[kustang619]

Brown for ball security reasons.

[BoulderSooner79]

Madu should have been given more touches in the slot, which is what I thought we moved him to this year.

Right. I don't think we know what Madu can do as a slot receiver yet. Other than Broyles, and a bit from Caleb, we haven't seen much from any receivers.

So, did we run any bubble screens last game?

[goingoneight]

Murray is to Brown as Wilson is to Long.

[CtheB]

DM is the Nelson Mandela of college football, imprisoned in a two-back system. Three backs when Patrick was here. Granted, he may have lost a step, but the guy is electrifying.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good problem to have, but I like DM's style much better.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I'm happy to have them both, but I like Murray a lot for some reason.

[btk108]

Brown

[Breadburner]

Brown.....

[Crucifax Autumn]

Seems like Murray's yards per carry would get him a little more love.

[PLaw]

Both.

Murray is the homerun hitter and Brown is the workhorse. They compliment each other perfectly.

BOOMER

[kelloggOUballa]

When healthy, it's DeMarco, no question. He's no AD, but is still a good combination of speed and power. He's Reggie Bush, except he can run between the tackles.

[kelloggOUballa]

Note: I am a huge Chris Brown fan too! He's a great back. I was just answering the question.

[Okie35]

Brown for ball security reasons.

and Brown has better vision and is more patient he can run between the tackles better Murray even said so... They're both good though. Can't go wrong w/ either one.

[cheezyq]

Brown, all day long.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

I don't get the whole "CB is a workhorse" thing. As if DeMarco isnt?

We have 4 tries from within the 5 yard line, I use DM on 3 of those tries.

[DakotaSooner]

Glad we have both of them. Complement each other well.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Glad we have both of them. Complement each other well.

Right. But you can't give the ball to both of them on one play.

[DakotaSooner]

Right. But you can't give the ball to both of them on one play.


wow, really. good thing when one of them gets tired, the other one can come in. I would take a fresh Brown/Murray over a tired Brown/Murray is the point.

[SoonerFrance]

Mary Ann.

[Crucifax Autumn]

Ginger???

[gaylordfan1]

They are both great.... I think Brown, even with the dropped weight and added speed, is still a north and south runner. Murray still has the playmaker ability. With the line stuggling early we will need someone who can make a play out of nothing. Murray showed that against the Tator JV, Brown didn't show anything flashy. Again, they compliment each other well, but I believe if Murray stays healthy he will have a more productive year.

[adoniijahsooner]

Demarco

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I love how Brown runs - in the vein of Barry Sanders...

[CrimsonJim]

I love how Brown runs - in the vein of Barry Sanders...

I hope I overlooked a note of sarcasm in your response, because there is ab-so-lu-tely NO resemblance in the running styles of Chris Brown and Barry Sanders. Of the two, Demarco would be closer, but then again, nobody runs like Barry Sanders. ;)

[stoopified]

IMHO based on what they have accomplished in their careers I would say that it IS a dead heat.I would say that IF Murray could stsy healthy he could be a better player as I do think he has more untapped potential.

[starclassic tama]

brown is the better football player, murray is the more exciting football player

[Breadburner]

Brown is more of a former Buffalo Bill Thurman Thomas......

[DakotaSooner]

Brown is more consistent, but everyone loves watching Murray because he always has the chance to "hit the home run".

[Statalyzer]

I've always thought Chris Brown was a really underrated runner.


Madu should have been given more touches in the slot, which is what I thought we moved him to this year.

I don't understand why with 3 of the top 4 WRs gone, and Gresham out with an unfortunate injury, Madu hasn't been thrown to but a couple of times.

[goingoneight]

Because he drops passes too?

[OUmillenium]

Murray

[silverwheels]

Brown because he's injured less often than Murray. He's also shiftier than people realize. If Murray could stay healthy and be more consistent I would choose him.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Still Murray

[Gresho Murford]

this year, murray by a long shot imo. Last year when murray wasn't 100%, brown was the better back.

[w0lfe]

Brown has yet to impress me this season

[goingoneight]

Brown last year had the benefit of two more full games, an outstanding O-Line and often times DeMarco out-wide to clean up the loaded fronts. Murray didn't magically become better at 80% health overnight. Brown has good qualities, but look no further than two infamous goal line stands with #29 in the I. Count the number of times CB has made people miss him and taken off for a score versus the number of times Murray has. Why was Murray on KO returns ahead of CB? Why does everyone, offense, defense and coaches agree that he makes OU's offense more dangerous simply by being out there?

Don't get me wrong, CB's a hard runner, great backfield receiver and pass-protector, and I'd take him over a Kejuan Jones or Allen Patrick, but he ain't DM. That said, I think starting CB with power and grit, then changing up with flashy DM is the way to go for any team.

[CrimsonJim]

Rushing stats:

Week One
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Week Two
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Week Three
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

To be continued....

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Rushing stats:

Week One
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Week Two
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Week Three
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

To be continued....

Team Murray 3
Team Brown 0

:D :D

[picasso]

brown is the better football player, murray is the more exciting football player

whaaaaa?

Carey Murdock has stated on the radio that every time he's asked Kevin Wilson why DM doesn't get the ball more he defers to Cale Gundy. And then Gundy get's mad at the question.
Eshbach says the same.

[picasso]

Brown because he's injured less often than Murray. He's also shiftier than people realize. If Murray could stay healthy and be more consistent I would choose him.

Good lord. Murray was injured on special teams.

[gaylordfan1]

I choose them both!

[gaylordfan1]

Wait, we have them both.

[sooner59]

I like them both. I think we have a great 2-back system. However, I have to say that Murray HAS to be the #1 RB. He is the playmaker, and he also brings the hat. Brown is a great back. I just say for every 10 carries that Murray gets, Brown should get 5-8. They complement each other well, but Murray definitely needs more snaps for big play potential.

[adoniijahsooner]

whaaaaa?

Carey Murdock has stated on the radio that every time he's asked Kevin Wilson why DM doesn't get the ball more he defers to Cale Gundy. And then Gundy get's mad at the question.
Eshbach says the same.

Why would the Offensive coordinator defer to Cale Cundy? If he thinks Demarco is the best back for his offense, he needs to pull rank on Cale.
I just know 10 carries a game for Demarco and Chris is unacceptable.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I think for Miami we will see more running from both of them. Since they have a lot of defensive speed I'd have to say send quite a few guys long consistently to spread the field north-south and if one of them can break free they will have a lot of open field to play with. That's a simplified version of my thought, but I get the feeling that with the last 2 weeks going the way they did, they aren't gonna be trying to stack the box against us and "force" us to throw. I'd actually guess the opposite in this case.

[Gresho Murford]

I think for Miami we will see more running from both of them. Since they have a lot of defensive speed I'd have to say send quite a few guys long consistently to spread the field north-south and if one of them can break free they will have a lot of open field to play with. That's a simplified version of my thought, but I get the feeling that with the last 2 weeks going the way they did, they aren't gonna be trying to stack the box against us and "force" us to throw. I'd actually guess the opposite in this case.

depends on if Sam plays. If Jones plays they will no doubt,imo, blitz like crazy and force landry to make smart decisions

[Crucifax Autumn]

Possibly, but I think that will be a losing effort on their part, and would most likely play right into our outside running game.

[picasso]

Why would the Offensive coordinator defer to Cale Cundy? If he thinks Demarco is the best back for his offense, he needs to pull rank on Cale.
I just know 10 carries a game for Demarco and Chris is unacceptable.

Because Wilson doesn't want to answer the question.

[JLEW1818]

I like using both the backs.. nfl style

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Because Wilson doesn't want to answer the question.

Fire Wilson!!! ;)

[meoveryouxinfinity]

I like using both the backs.. nfl style

Don't get me wrong, I do to. But if we have 4th and 2 or 3 yards, who do you give it to?

Who do you not think but KNOW will that those 2 yards?

[The Ghost of Mex]

Demarco Murray hands down...I hate Mac Brown because he sucks!

[85sooners]

#7

[Landthief 1972]

When Brown gets hit, you know he's going to duck a shoulder, fall forward and get another couple of yards. When Murray gets hit, he might get stuck for a loss, but he's more likely to cut loose and get 10+ more yards.

[adoniijahsooner]

When Brown gets hit, you know he's going to duck a shoulder, fall forward and get another couple of yards. When Murray gets hit, he might get stuck for a loss, but he's more likely to cut loose and get 10+ more yards.

Brown has been going down at the slightest of hits this year, and Murray has been staying on his feet. Brown dropped weight to get faster and has lost some of his power, and Murray has gain some muscle and appears to be the most physical back this year.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Brown has been going down at the slightest of hits this year, and Murray has been staying on his feet. Brown dropped weight to get faster and has lost some of his power, and Murray has gain some muscle and appears to be the most physical back this year.

My sentiments exactly.

[CrimsonJim]

Rushing stats:

BYU
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Idaho State
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Tulsa
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

Miami
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-71-6.5-0
DeMarco Murray......23-80-3.5-1



To be continued....

[Gresho Murford]

Rushing stats:

BYU
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Idaho State
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Tulsa
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

Miami
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-71-6.5-0
DeMarco Murray......23-80-3.5-1



To be continued....

DM had a better game than Brown and it wasn't even close

[tulsaoilerfan]

All of Brown's yardage came on 1 play, and if that had been Murray i think we would have had a 99 yard TD Run

[primetime43]

All of Brown's yardage came on 1 play, and if that had been Murray i think we would have had a 99 yard TD Run

I would love to know where that 4.4 speed is that Chris Brown supposedly has coming into this year. On that long run he looked slow slow slow. DM would have taken it to the house.

[OUmillenium]

All of Brown's yardage came on 1 play, and if that had been Murray i think we would have had a 99 yard TD Run

word up ^

[westbrooke]

Yeah, if you asked me this before the season, I would have said Brown, but Murray has clearly shown more this year. I still think Brown has something that Murray doesn't when running between the tackles, but if we can't open holes there, it really doesn't matter.

[CrimsonJim]

All of Brown's yardage came on 1 play, and if that had been Murray i think we would have had a 99 yard TD Run

Agreed. If Murray wouldn't have outran him (which he probably would have), he would have planted, pushed the defender past him, and scurried the rest of the way to a touchdown.

[Okie35]

Brown has been going down at the slightest of hits this year, and Murray has been staying on his feet. Brown dropped weight to get faster and has lost some of his power, and Murray has gain some muscle and appears to be the most physical back this year.

Yea I've noticed. After last night I'll switch it back to Murray. I think they both compliment each other though.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

So far, Im unimpressed with both this year...

Not a lot of it their fault...but If Murray this, if murray that....Murrray seems to be the tougher runner, but he isnt breaking anything

[StoopTroup]

After seeing Brown's 2 runs against Idaho State on the goal line. I'll go with Murray. But Chris is a good back...I think he needs to practice hitting a Humvee head on for awhile though...then when he runs into a Yugo he'll knock them to the side and get his 2 yards.

And Brown did the same thing last night in Miami.

It's always been Murray. I think maybe it might be time to make Madu his backup as well. Something needs to wake Brown up.

[stoops the eternal pimp]

Mark me down as not a Madu guy.....Maybe give Calhoun or Miller a shot

[Jdog]

Murray ran late in the second half like the game meant something to him.

Brown ran like he was hurt.

[silverwheels]

I still think we need both, but Brown is not running at the level he did last year or the year before. Part of that is the line, obviously, but still, something seems different about him.

[rawlingsHOH]

Murray is an incredible student-athlete, but is quickly becoming one of the most overrated Sooners (by the average fan) of the Stoops Era.

My answer is, we need to run both, because neither is the complete back, and Murray has definitely proven he can not handle a full workload on a weekly basis.

[rawlingsHOH]

I still think we need both, but Brown is not running at the level he did last year or the year before. Part of that is the line, obviously, but still, something seems different about him.
I think all the weight Brown lost (to increase his speed), might be costing him a little bit. Doesn't seem quite as physical this season.

[CrimsonJim]

Rushing stats:

BYU
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Idaho State
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Tulsa
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

Miami
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-71-6.5-0
DeMarco Murray......23-80-3.5-1

Baylor
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............19-70-3.7-2
DeMarco Murray......24-107-4.5-0



To be continued....

[mightysooner]

I like both. Brown bring the power running game to the table. BUT.....it always seems like Murray just get's barely UNDER enough snaps to find his rythm and start breaking long runs. I think he's a rythm back and a threat from anywhere on the field. If he got more snaps I think we'd see that he's definitely back. That's what I see....

[TMcGee86]

I thought brown had a really bad day today.

though tbh, murray looked a step slow as well, maybe both had flu like symptoms.

[CrimsonJim]

Rushing stats:

BYU
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............14-59-4.2-0
DeMarco Murray......10-58-5.8-0

Idaho State
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-65-5.9-1
DeMarco Murray......12-101-8.4-2

Tulsa
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............16-73-4.6-0
DeMarco Murray......10-60-6.0-0

Miami
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............11-71-6.5-0
DeMarco Murray......23-80-3.5-1

Baylor
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............19-70-3.7-2
DeMarco Murray......24-107-4.5-0

Fexus
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............12-23-1.9-0
DeMarco Murray......5-(-3)-(-0.6)-0

Kansas
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD
Chris Brown............22-66-3.0-2
DeMarco Murray......0-0-0-0

For The Season
........................Att-Yds-Avg-TD-Avg/G
Chris Brown............105-427-4.1-5-61
DeMarco Murray.......84-403-4.8-3-67.2



To be continued....

[rawlingsHOH]

To be continued....
Nothing really left to be settled. Murray has shown repeatedly that he can not answer the bell.

He's Felix, he's 1B.

[sooners2win]

Murray, not even close.....I like Brown, but he is a different back.

I'm more of a Jonathan Miller guy though!

[pardon the interREDtion]

Murray, but whos comes in now if L Jones goes down?

[Boomer38Sooner]

Jonathan Miller Baby!

[Breadburner]

Chris Brown is the real deal.....

[gaylordfan1]

Jonathan Miller Baby!

+1

I want to see this kid come in to give Brown a breather! It sux for Calhoun, but he lost the ball on his first touch last week. I think Miller got a snap or two but that was it... without neg yards.

[My Opinion Matters]

I like Demarco and all, but I've never seen one player live off the reputation of a single play as long as he is.

[MojoRisen]

Brown is the real deal, they are both great backs - Murray has had injuries and maybe not utilized to his fullest as a wide reciever.

[westbrooke]

I like Demarco and all, but I've never seen one player live off the reputation of a single play as long as he is.

I would have agreed with this until this year. I think he's finally realized he's going to have to fight for any yards he hopes to pick up. Of course, that likely has something to do with why he was on the sidelines last game. He may never equal that shining moment against UT, but I think he's got the right mindset now.

[My Opinion Matters]

I would have agreed with this until this year. I think he's finally realized he's going to have to fight for any yards he hopes to pick up. Of course, that likely has something to do with why he was on the sidelines last game. He may never equal that shining moment against UT, but I think he's got the right mindset now.

I never thought that Demarco seemed like the type of player that "didn't have his head in the game", but you could be right. What I've noticed, and I haven't seen this discussed, is that he is clearly not the same player physically he once was. The catch and run against Texas this year is a prime example of this. Demarco as a RS Freshman would have taken that to the house, easily.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Brown is starting to sway me a little. But there's something special about Demarco Murray. He needs to finish the year strong and have next year be spectacular (in other words, no injuries).

[westbrooke]

I never thought that Demarco seemed like the type of player that "didn't have his head in the game", but you could be right. What I've noticed, and I haven't seen this discussed, is that he is clearly not the same player physically he once was. The catch and run against Texas this year is a prime example of this. Demarco as a RS Freshman would have taken that to the house, easily.

Yeah, that thought occurred to me too, but he was running away from us at the game so it was hard to gauge.

I guess what I really meant was that, in the past, he always seemed to be looking for the home run and would pass up the yardage that could be gained by a hard-nosed running play. This year is the first time I've gotten the impression that he's realized there's value in turning a 3-yard gain into a 6-yard gain by translating his still considerable speed into some contact. Not every running back is suited for that style, and if he can't stay healthy then it may prove that he's one of them, but it just looks like he wants those yards more than he did before.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Both had a good game last night.

[primetime43]

I don't get why this is even a discussion? Murray is a better back and better player. If we needed a yard who would you have more faith in. Without hesistation I'm picking Murray. I'm tired of watching Chris Brown go down everytime someone touches him.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

I don't get why this is even a discussion? Murray is a better back and better player. If we needed a yard who would you have more faith in. Without hesistation I'm picking Murray. I'm tired of watching Chris Brown go down everytime someone touches him.

Go read through this thread. A lot of people (at least back in Sept) were pulling for Brown. We update it every week.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

BTW Wilson is finally going against conventional wisdom and has started doing what I've said over and over again. MURRAY IS YOUR SHORT-YARDAGE BACK!!! He will fight, spin, jump, dive, etc for those yards. Brown? No. Clapp? Hell no. Use Murray at the goal line!

[kelloggOUballa]

What I don't understand is why, after DeMarco basically carries the team down the stretch scoring two late TDs, Chris Brown carries three times in a row on our last drive to lead to a punt. I'm ok with the three runs, but I feel like DM would have gotten the game-clinching first down.

[primetime43]

Go read through this thread. A lot of people (at least back in Sept) were pulling for Brown. We update it every week.

I know I've read through them. I never once believed Brown is better than Murray. I'm not sure what Brown is other than a sure handed safe back. He doesn't have elite speed. We've seen multiple examples of this including last night agasint K-State. He isn't a power back that can move the pile. I think the coaches are being loyal to a guy that has given his heart and soul to the program. I really appreciate what Brown has done for us but honestly I'm not even sure Brown is our 3rd best back??

[primetime43]

What I don't understand is why, after DeMarco basically carries the team down the stretch scoring two late TDs, Chris Brown carries three times in a row on our last drive to lead to a punt. I'm ok with the three runs, but I feel like DM would have gotten the game-clinching first down.

Ding Ding Ding!! I know this worn out beaten up topic but I'm always going to wonder what if we had Murray against Florida. We at least get one goaline td with Murray.

[bluedogok]

Murray is still recovering from an injury, that is the only thing that I can think of as why they didn't have Murray in there on the one third down run at the end of the game. Murray was running through people last night.

[stoopified]

Actually the coaches don't care who the best player is ,they play their favorites instead. :D
For the record here are the career stats for the 2 players:

Brown 564c-2684 yds-38 TDs 4.8 ypc/ 37r-295 yds-2TDS


Murray 405c-2121 yds-32 TDs 5.2 ypc/68-744 yds-6TDs

Brown has had the reputation over his entire career as being sure-handed with the ball and being a tough inside runner.Murray has had ball security issues at times and has only shown consistent inside running ability this year .If you are looking to take care of the ball and run clock, Brown delivers.I am not saying Brown is better,I am saying there IS a reason he and Murray share the load fairly evenly.BTW the comment about Brown not being a breakawy threat?Did you miss his 44 yarder last night?Or how about his 48 yard run off the OU goal vs. Miami?

We basically have a THUNDER & LIGHTNING combo here,Brown hammers you and can break loose ,while Murray can strike suddenly and without warning.The one thing Murray has to prove is toughness and durability which Brown has always shown. I( am glad we have both.

As far as my research has shown Brown and Murray are the only Sooner duo to both have 40 career TDs(Murray has 2 KOR TDs).When Owens got his 57 TDs he carried the load alone.When Pruit got his Washington was a frosh,when Washington got his,Sims was a frosh.AD and Q both went solo for 40 + TDs as well.

[stoopified]

Actually the coaches don't care who the best player is ,they play their favorites instead. :D
For the record here are the career stats for the 2 players:

Brown 564c-2684 yds-38 TDs 4.8 ypc/ 37r-295 yds-2TDS


Murray 405c-2121 yds-32 TDs 5.2 ypc/68r-744 yds-6TDs

Brown has had the reputation over his entire career as being sure-handed with the ball and being a tough inside runner.Murray has had ball security issues at times and has only shown consistent inside running ability this year .If you are looking to take care of the ball and run clock, Brown delivers.I am not saying Brown is better,I am saying there IS a reason he and Murray share the load fairly evenly.BTW the comment about Brown not being a breakawy threat?Did you miss his 44 yarder last night?Or how about his 48 yard run off the OU goal vs. Miami?

We basically have a THUNDER & LIGHTNING combo here,Brown hammers you and can break loose ,while Murray can strike suddenly and without warning.The one thing Murray has to prove is toughness and durability which Brown has always shown. I am glad we have both.

As far as my research has shown Brown and Murray are the only Sooner duo to both have 40 career TDs(Murray has 2 KOR TDs).When Owens got his 57 TDs he carried the load alone.When Pruit got his Washington was a frosh,when Washington got his,Sims was a frosh.AD and Q both went solo for 40 + TDs as well.

[primetime43]

Brown has had the reputation over his entire career as being sure-handed with the ball and being a tough inside runner.If you are looking to take care of the ball and run clock, Brown delivers. I am not saying Brown is better,I am saying there IS a reason he and Murray share the load fairly evenly.BTW the comment about Brown not being a breakawy threat?Did you miss his 44 yarder last night?Or how about his 48 yard run off the OU goal vs. Miami?

We basically have a THUNDER & LIGHTNING combo here,Brown hammers you and can break loose ,while Murray can strike suddenly and without warning.The one thing Murray has to prove is toughness and durability which Brown has always shown. I( am glad we have both.



Sure handed yes but how did it work out last night when we needed him to run clock? Yep 3 and out. Yes the 44 yarder was nice and the 48 yarder vs Miami was sweet. Fact is he doesn't have elite breakaway speed. If he did those would be touchdowns.

[BoulderSooner79]

Brown for some reason is often referred to as a power back and that is just not his game. It's true he does the most damage between the tackles, but that doesn't make him a power back. His strengths are that he has great vision and incredible patience. That play on the goal line against Miami was a perfect example - he gave a little delay and stutter step when he was face to face with the defender and turned it into a 48 yarder. Most backs would have lowered their heads and made sure they got a yard or 2 to avoid the safety. People get annoyed with him for not giving up on the block and just trying to plow for an extra yard when the hole is not there, but that's not his game. If he did that, he would not get those nifty 5-6 yarders that move the sticks when it looks like nothing is there. DM is both more powerful and more explosive, but sometimes misses an opportunity by not setting up a block. I think they really compliment each other as change of pace backs.

[stoopified]

Sure handed yes but how did it work out last night when we needed him to run clock? Yep 3 and out. Yes the 44 yarder was nice and the 48 yarder vs Miami was sweet. Fact is he doesn't have elite breakaway speed. If he did those would be touchdowns.OK,have it your way,the coaches are playing favorites.

[rawlingsHOH]

Sure handed yes but how did it work out last night when we needed him to run clock? Yep 3 and out. Yes the 44 yarder was nice and the 48 yarder vs Miami was sweet. Fact is he doesn't have elite breakaway speed. If he did those would be touchdowns.

Obviously neither of them do.

[bluedogok]

By viewing the play on the field it looks to me like Murray has become the "power back". Brown is a good runner but seems to go down easier than Murray now, DeMarco carried one the linebackers (I think "Pumpers") into the end zone, I don't see Brown being able to do that this season.

It seems Murray has lost speed since his freshman year, probably due to the injuries and bulking up but that seems to have made him a stronger runner with contact than he used to be.

[OUmillenium]

Murray

But I still love it when Brown plays well, too.

[jmillerfan]

Jonathan Miller Baby!

It's coming one day soon...it's coming I can feel it. He will play and we can look to the future with the "Miller Squared" offense...By Land and By Air...What Crimson and Cream will do to you

[VA Sooner]

Nice to have both.

Power run up the middle with Brown.

Quick run to the outside and with spin moves and jukes to throw off defenders.

And in this last game, Murray has added the power surge to carry a few defenders with him after contact.

Confuse opposing teams... play both of them in the backfield and keep them guessing.

[Curly Bill]

confuse opposing teams... play both of them in the backfield and keep them guessing.


Guessing as to what? Which one KW will have run up the middle?

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Both had a good night.

[CrimsonJim]

Both had a good night.

Correction: One had a good night, the other had an excellent night. :)

[kevpks]

Brown is on the short list (top 10) of OU running-backs because of his consistency and ability to punch in the short TD. He has been a reliable option since he stepped in as a true freshman.

I am also glad that Murray said he is coming back next season. That is really great news because he is a huge weapon and will be an asset as we develop the other backs.

Lastly, I know it was in garbage time but Calhoun showed flashes that justify the recruiting hype. He got those four or five extra yards after first contact.

[CrimsonJim]

And was I dreaming, or did Calhoun look faster? He really impressed me with his quickness and speed. First time I'd seen that part of his game.

[BoulderSooner79]

Calhoun got enough carries to start seeing the field. With his power, he should be the type of back that is h*ll on a tiring defense in the 2nd half.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

Brown isn't all that great in short-yardage downs. He can get you 2 or 3 yards with this o-line maybe 45% of the time. Murray will get it maybe 55%.

^^^against a defense worse than Nebraska's, better than A&M's.