Obama's Collapse: How Low Will He Go????

[OklahomaTuba]

I'm guessing at this rate he will be in the high 30s by Nov. Unless the economy somehow picks up, which I think is nearly impossible at this point.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/september_2009/obama_total_approval_september_2_2009/244746-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_september_2_2009.jpg
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/september_2009/obama_approval_index_september_2_2009/244743-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_september_2_2009.jpg

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[delhalew]

Depends on how many of us refuse to acknowledge that a mistake was made out of stubborn pride. If your vote bites you in the *** pick yourself up and move on.

[stoopified]

Below the Bush Line? :D

[OklahomaTuba]

Below the Bush Line? :DMaybe! Although, it did take Bush a little longer than 8 months to **** this many people off.

[NormanPride]

poll numbers = peoples' view of the economy

[OklahomaTuba]

poll numbers = peoples' view of the economy I think its usually more complicated than that, although that is #1. Obama has always been much more popular than his socialist agenda has been, and I think the "shine" is starting to wear off. The spending orgy and the government take over of the private sector is causing A LOT of the backlash.

[JohnnyMack]

Tuba, do you have to post this kind of stuff this often? I don't really see what the point of your repetitive posting style other than to get you off.

[Pigface1]

I'm pretty sure it'll bottom out the day he figures out what comes after "trillion."

[KC//CRIMSON]

"Obama ran an amazing campaign, and I hope he makes us all successful as he has been in his historic campaign."

"God bless America and our new President."-OklahomaTuba

[delhalew]

"Obama ran an amazing campaign, and I hope he makes us all successful as he has been in his historic campaign."

"God bless America and our new President."-OklahomaTuba


Nice, that's the attitude we should have all STARTED with.

[KC//CRIMSON]

Nice, that's the attitude we should have all STARTED with.

It's the attitude everyone should try and still have. This cluster **** that he inherited isn't going away over night.

[delhalew]

It's the attitude everyone should try and still have. This cluster **** that he inherited isn't going away over night.

Have you ever tried to put out a fire with a bottle of vodka?

[OklahomaTuba]

Tuba, do you have to post this kind of stuff this often? I don't recall ever making a thread about Obama's poll #'s before??

[OklahomaTuba]

"Obama ran an amazing campaign, and I hope he makes us all successful as he has been in his historic campaign."

"God bless America and our new President."-OklahomaTuba
What was the point in posting that? Doesn't change the facts that he is really doing very badly poll wise right now.

[KC//CRIMSON]

What was the point in posting that? Doesn't change the facts that he is really doing very badly poll wise right now.

Just wanted to see if you're still keeping the faith.

[OklahomaTuba]

Interesting, this guy thinks he is just starting to implode:

Never has an administration had more political firepower at their disposal yet been set to so totally fail in the next six to eight weeks. It is nearly a foregone conclusion. It is nearly unavoidable. And it defies all logic given the sizable majority the administration has in both houses of Congress.

Since I was the first pundit to predict Obama's presidency (back in December 2006) it behooves me to tell you the course I believe the next few weeks will take. Just think, it was only a few months ago that the left looked unstoppable in bringing about their plan to radicalize, nationalize, and federalize America.http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/01/kevin-mccullough-obama-implode/?storytab=story-detail

[My Opinion Matters]

What was the point in posting that? Doesn't change the facts that he is really doing very badly poll wise right now.

The computer polls just love his strength-of-schedule though.

[OklahomaTuba]

Just wanted to see if you're still keeping the faith.If you mean did I think he was going to be this bad, then no, I didn't. He has surpassed my expectations, big time.

[85Sooner]

Why does the number 6 come to mind.

[yermom]

all he need is another war or something. it can't be over too soon, or he'll be screwed like Bush I ;)

[Animal Mother]

Why does the number 6 come to mind.

Do I really have to say it? The number of toes on your left foot. You thought I was going to say your I.Q. didn't you?

Just roll another bomber Catherwood and leave it on the tray.

[OklahomaTuba]

all he need is another war or something. it can't be over too soon, or he'll be screwed like Bush I ;)Well, he did mention invading Pakistan at some point.

And he seems to hate Honduras for whatever reason.

[Collier11]

As much as I think Obama is the suck so far, I think he needs atleast another 6 months before I start judging him too harshly

[Scott D]

I'm not a fan of the guy, but this is probably the best time to exploit people's fears. My question is how is the Republican party going to manage to screw that up.

[JLEW1818]

I'm not a fan of the guy, but this is probably the best time to exploit people's fears. My question is how is the Republican party going to manage to screw that up.

my question is, who are the republicans going to get?

[Collier11]

Exactly, who are we going to get? I asked my GFs father this the other night cus this guy is the hugest, far right repub you can find and he said Palin, I about slapped him

[Veritas]

Exactly, who are we going to get? I asked my GFs father this the other night cus this guy is the hugest, far right repub you can find and he said Palin, I about slapped him
Lord, anyone but that woman. I thought she was great after her convention speech...then I started looking into her. LAS called it right...IF McCain ever had a chance, she burned it for him.

[LosAngelesSooner]

That IS the problem right now. And it's been the problem for about 20 years now.

[Collier11]

Everything I heard was that if Mccain had gotten the chick from Texas he wins, getting Palin cost him

After the convention speech Palin was awesome, then she stopped reading and started thinking

[LosAngelesSooner]

And quit listening to McCain's advisers and started believing her press/hype/worshipers.

[Veritas]

After the convention speech Palin was awesome, then she stopped reading and started thinking
I still wonder which it was; did she stop thinking and start reading? It seemed like the campaign bottled her up pretty good.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Regardless of her qualifications or lack thereof, she's been Quayled by the media. She's done politically, and I hope she realizes it.

[LosAngelesSooner]

Exactly, who are we going to get? I asked my GFs father this the other night cus this guy is the hugest, far right repub you can find and he said Palin, I about slapped him
This article is a pretty good summation of the current problem:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/the-intolerance-party-gop_n_274355.html


The "Intolerance" Party? GOP Strategists Worry Ideologues Are Bad For The Party's Future (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/the-intolerance-party-gop_n_274355.html)

A major rift has emerged within the Republican Party. On one side: Ideologues who are inciting the base with wild rhetoric and banking on a "great American awakening" that will sweep conservatives back into power. On the other: Strategists, who see the party's growing intolerance as a prescription for minority status.

So far, the ideologues are winning.

"Nobody helps the cause when they use name-calling instead of substantial criticism," says strategist Charlie Black, a senior adviser to almost every Republican presidential campaign since Ronald Reagan first ran.

But name-calling and demagoguery are the hallmarks of the movement conservatives and media celebrities like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, who are increasingly being viewed as dominant forces in the modern GOP.

Palin's allegation that Obamacare would result in creation of government "death panels (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434)" has been widely criticized within her own party. Republican strategist Whit Ayres, who is no fan of the Democratic health care plan, noted: "Wildly inappropriate comments hurt the argument that the comments are supposed to support."

As early as last October, conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks called (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html) Palin "a fatal cancer on the Republican Party," and George F. Will, a voice of the Republican establishment, dismissed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/29/AR2008102903199.html?nav%3Drss_opinion/columns&sub=AR) the former Alaska governor as "an inveterate simplifier."

On July 28, Glenn Beck asserted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go) on Fox News that Obama has "a deep hatred for the white people or the white culture...This guy, I believe, is a racist." And Rush Limbaugh -- not one to moderate his rhetoric - spent part of his August 6 broadcast discussing (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_080609/content/01125106.guest.html) "the similarities between the Democrat Party of today and the Nazi party in Germany."
Alex Castellanos, strategist and media consultant to George W. Bush's presidential campaigns and to Mitt Romney, said, "We have a case to make and sometimes I think we draw more attention to the battle than to the message."

Despite this intra-party struggle, there is one area of common ground: Both the strategic and ideological factions are convinced that the outspoken public opposition to the Obama health care plan voiced at House and Senate town halls during the August recess has been highly advantageous to the GOP. Conservative radio and television hosts have fanned the flames of protest but professional Republican operatives -- some of whom initially voiced concerns that the expressions of intense anger might backfire - are now on board.

The town hall forums on health care "have been a huge benefit," said Castellanos. "This has gone far beyond the base of Republican activists." Charlie Black, in turn, argued that "people who don't normally get involved are looking at the news stories and getting involved" in the health care debate. Ayres warned "incivility almost never helps," but added, "energy and passion go a long way toward furthering an argument. The town halls really raised serious doubts about the health care plan, and intensity matters in politics."

* * * The split between Republican ideologues and strategists has deep roots. Many GOP operatives, consultants, and tacticians believe the party will be relegated to enduring minority status unless elected officials aggressively tone down and reach out: Tone down the hard-edged stands on such issues as gay marriage and abortion to avoid alienating socially liberal young voters; And reach out to minorities, specifically to Hispanics, once immigration returns to the front burner. Party professionals, in stark contrast to movement conservatives, argue for the necessity of a version of immigration reform which makes possible -- at least for some -- a "path" to citizenship. "How about we actually look at ourselves as an ordinary, non-political business, selling a commercial product?" asks Republican consultant Bill Greener, founder of Greener & Hook. Citing the strength of Democrats among growing minority groups -- and the continuing Republican dependence (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/04/for-the-modern-gop-its-a_n_250560.html) on white support when the share of the electorate that is white is declining -- Greener poses (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/20/gop_math/) the question, "Who would ever start down a path that essentially said that we will be strong in all the declining markets while we let our only significant competition be strong among the emerging and growing markets? Unless North Dakota suddenly gets 54 electoral votes, would someone please show me another way for Republicans to realistically conclude we can compete at the national level?"

On the "movement" side, social and fiscal conservatives are convinced that Democratic successes in 2006 and 2008 were aberrant -- caused by Republican wavering on core principals and the party's deviation from a hard line. In their view, the only change that is needed is the restoration of backbone. Democrats, they believe, will run aground on the shoals of reckless spending and failed "social engineering" -- giving the GOP renewed legitimacy.

This struggle has played out in the past in primary challenges to moderate Republicans from candidates aligned with the conservative Club for Growth. The current Republican conflict will be on center stage in the 2010 Texas Republican gubernatorial primary. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, a centrist Republican, has announced that she will take on incumbent governor Rick Perry, a movement conservative.

"I do not want a governor who is going to narrow our base, make it dwindle," Hutchison told (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/us/15texas.html) Texas voters. "I will work to build the Republican Party, not make it narrower." Perry, who has strong support from the far right of the party, countered: "it's a fight between a real, proven conservative and one who is not so conservative."
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The power of movement conservatives has created major political problems in the home districts of Republican moderates. In 2005, then-Rep. Chris Shays, a Connecticut Republican, complained (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/politics/23repubs.html) bitterly that the "Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy."

Although the strategic wing of the party is currently challenging the hard right, those challenges still remain well within the bounds of Republican orthodoxy.

Ayres, for example, argues that the party "has to be consistent on its position on social issues." Abandonment of the party's stands against gay marriage and against abortion would result in the loss of GOP's "core base of supporters," Ayres said. But the advocacy of conservative stands has to be done "without seeming to be condemning on social issues."

In the case of immigration -- an issue likely to be taken up by Congress next year -- Ayres, like many of his colleagues, says the party should consider easing off the hard-line anti-immigration stand adopted by many elected Republicans, especially in the House, particularly "avoid[ing] much of the tone of the [2005 and 2006] immigration debates." Ayres wouldn't name names, but was likely referring to such congressmen as Steve King (R-Iowa), who has described (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13599) immigration as a "slow-motion holocaust" that "threatens an eventual destruction of the middle class".

In the long term, Castellanos makes the case that the GOP has to go past attacking Obama. "As long as the Republican Party believes its principles are only good for saying 'no', it will remain a party unable to lead a great country, a party only able, on occasion, to rescue America from liberal Democrat overreaching and excess," he said.
One of the most outspoken GOP strategists is Tom Doherty, a partner with John McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt in the firm Mercury Public Affairs. Doherty notes that some in the party are convinced that appealing to blacks, Hispanics and gays "somehow means you are giving up our party principles."

Doherty contends that one of the biggest liabilities of the GOP is an image of intolerance. Leaders "need to set up a process where all Americans are equal in the Republican Party, whether gay, straight, transgender or bisexual. That is our biggest problem: we are viewed as a party dominated by the far right." Doherty and a number of other strategists were particularly critical of the harsh, anti-immigrant language used by Republicans on the House and Senate floor during debates in 2006. "Hispanics are going to be a majority in 30 years, you better make sure your party welcomes them."

In sharp contrast to the strategists, "ideological" Republicans pointedly avoid any discussion of accommodation which threatens doctrinal adherence and prefer to rely on the hope that Democrats will spontaneously implode.

Take John Feehrey, a top aide to former House majority leader Tom DeLay and former House Speaker Dennis Hastert. Feehrey believes that the Republican Party should adopt a two-pronged strategy he summarizes in 25 words: "First, watch the Democrats disintegrate over health care. Second, come up with a simplified agenda focused on government reform, fiscal responsibility, accountability, and trust-busting."

Conservative author and public relations guru Craig Shirley offers a more elaborate variation: "This period of 2009 reminds me greatly of 1977-78. The GOP was feckless, moribund and still attempting to shed Nixonism, as it now is attempting to shed itself of Bushism. A vacuum developed then as now; the conservative movement led to fill it just as it is now. Then, the conservatives led on opposition to the Panama Canal Treaties, SALT II, ERA, high taxes, the Departments of Energy and Education, etc. Jimmy Carter tried to do too much, as Obama now is."

Shirley contends that health care reform today is now playing a part similar to the role of Carter's energy initiative in the late 1970s. "Carter tried a sweeping change in energy policy that many believed would lead to higher taxes and gasoline rationing, just as many believe Obama is now doing on health care. Both scared the bejesus out of a whole lot of Americans." Shirley has a prescription shorter than Feehrey's -- just 17 words: "First oppose, then propose. The conservatives are opposing effectively. Now they need to propose, just as effectively."

Early on in the Obama administration, leaders of the ideological wing of the GOP voiced confidence that the electorate would soon return to the conservative fold. "While some are prepared to write the obituary on capitalism and our movement, I believe we are on the brink of a great American awakening," Mike Pence, chair of the Republican Conference, told (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30865) the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on February 26. "I can feel it, I can hear it."

[LosAngelesSooner]

Article continued.

Two days later, Limbaugh laid (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030209/content/01125106.guest.html) the gauntlet down in front of those calling for accommodation. In a speech that went on for over 10,000 words, Limbaugh warned:

We've got factions now within our own movement seeking power to dominate it, and worst of all to redefine it. Well, the Constitution doesn't need to be redefined. Conservative intellectuals: the Declaration of Independence does not need to be redefined and neither does conservatism. Conservatism is what it is and it is forever. It's not something you can bend and shape and flake and form... .A couple of prominent conservative but Beltway establishment media types began to write on the concept that the era of Reagan is over. And that we needed to adapt our appeal, because, after all, what's important in politics is winning elections. And so we have to understand that the American people, they want Big Government. We just have to find a way to tell them we're no longer opposed to that. We will come up with our own version of it that is wiser and smarter, but we've got to go get the Wal-Mart voter, and we've got to get the Hispanic voter, and we've got to get the recalcitrant independent women. And I'm listening to this and I am just apoplectic: The era of Reagan is over?For elected Republicans, the split between the ideologues and the tacticians/strategists poses a major dilemma. In private conversation, many side with the strategists, but are unwilling to publicly offend the core of their party -- the primary voters, the donors, the talkers, and the workhorses -- by publicly arguing that, health care aside, the growth of the Hispanic electorate, the strong tilt of young voters toward the Democratic Party, and the rise of a socially liberal, professional "new" class require change in both substantive policy and rhetoric.

The dangers facing elected Republicans who share the views of the strategists are reflected in the firestorm that hit Georgia Republican Congressman Phil Gingrey when he had the temerity to confront (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18049.html) Limbaugh: "It's easy if you're Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don't have to try to do what's best for your people and your party. You know you're just on these talk shows and you're living well and plus you stir up a bit of controversy and gin the base and that sort of thing," Gingrey said.

The next day, Gingrey was begging for forgiveness: "Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and other conservative giants are the voices of the conservative movement's conscience. Everyday, millions and millions of Americans--myself included--turn on their radios and televisions to listen to what they have to say, and we are inspired by their words and by their determination"

The same thing happened to Republican Party chair Michael Steele. On February 28, Steele described (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html) Limbaugh's commentary as "incendiary" and "ugly." On March 2, he backtracked (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29529005/) : "My intent was not to go after Rush -- I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh... There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership."

The degree to which fear of the hard right has restricted the scope of introspective discussion within the GOP is reflected in the virtual collapse of one of the few serious attempts to revitalize the party.

On April 30, Republican House Whip Eric Cantor (Va.), top House and Senate leaders, and potential presidential candidates such as Mitt Romney, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal formed the National Council for a New America (NCNA) designed (http://republicanwhip.house.gov/newsroom/2009/04/national-council-for-a-new-america-formed.html) to be "the foundation of a concerted, policy-based forum to listen to, partner with, and empower the American people with ideas and solutions that speak directly to the needs of our great nation."

The organization immediately came under sharp attack (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22242.htm) from the conservative wing of the party because it made no mention of immigration, same-sex marriage, or abortion. Limbaugh described a proposed NCNA listening tour as a hoax: "Maybe we've gotten to the point where you have to scam the American people in order to get their votes." Tony Perkins head of the Family Research council declared: "Too many Republican leaders are running scared on the claims of the left and the media that social conservatism is a dead-end for the GOP."

Facing such hostility, NCNA has done virtually nothing during the past four months to develop either a new Republican agenda or a new Republican strategy. The web site's link to "Policy Forums" lists no relevant events and only allows visitors to "nominate" their hometowns as future forum sites.

The NCNA is so top-heavy with candidates and high-ranking officials that it cannot afford to offend anyone. Its policy nostrums could be repeated at any PTA meeting -- for example, the NCNA's dynamic statement (http://republicanwhip.house.gov/WeThePeople/) on the economy:

As the country battles through the worst economic crisis in a generation, we must remain focused on the foundations and institutions that have made us the most prosperous people in the world and the ideas that create jobs and grow our economy. At the same time, we must learn from the mistakes that led to the current crisis and to prevent similar situations from ever occurring again.The struggle to set the direction of the Republican Party is unlikely to be resolved in the immediate future, as ideologues and strategists remain locked in an enervating embrace. If the experience of the Democrats in the 1970s and 1980s offers a precedent, the struggle for the hearts and minds of the Republican Party will continue through the 2012 election and at least to 2016.

If there is a parallel between the Democratic defeat of 1972 and the Republican defeat of 2006-8, Republicans can look forward to two full decades in the wilderness -- unless the extraordinary gains in both the quality of political information and the speed of its dissemination significantly accelerate the process.

[soonerscuba]

Everything I heard was that if Mccain had gotten the chick from Texas he wins, getting Palin cost him

After the convention speech Palin was awesome, then she stopped reading and started thinkingI didn't think McCain was going to win running with the Constitution approved reanimated corpse of the 1979 version of Reagan. Palin was a terrible choice made by a terrible campaign. Before the usual suspects pipe up, McCain's campaign wasn't terrible because of it's politics, it was terrible because it was dumbfounded by how to head off Obama. I do miss being told that I only mocked her out of fear, that was a fun 3 weeks.

[LosAngelesSooner]

I still wonder which it was; did she stop thinking and start reading? It seemed like the campaign bottled her up pretty good.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Regardless of her qualifications or lack thereof, she's been Quayled by the media. She's done politically, and I hope she realizes it.She doesn't.

And I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL to see a Romney/Palin ticket for the GOP in 2012.

[JohnnyMack]

The Republicans should put forth an experienced, fiscally conservative Governor from an important state forward in 2012 if they want to win.

[OklahomaTuba]

The Republicans should put forth an experienced, fiscally conservative Governor from an important state forward in 2012 if they want to win.I'm still holding out for a community organizer from a corrupt state that has no experience.

But a Gov from a large state that's actually accomplished something would work well I guess. ;)

[JohnnyMack]

If Rick Perry beats KBH and is reelected as gov. he'll run. And prolly should.

[OklahomaTuba]

Oh great, a joint session of congress on ChappaquiddiCare now. Talk about desperate.

[OklahomaTuba]

If Rick Perry beats KBH and is reelected as gov. he'll run. And prolly should.Please, not another Texan.

[JLEW1818]

I'm not a fan of Rick

[49r]

Colin Powell?

[delhalew]

Its too bad conservatism gets lumped together with the "religious right" so often. The principles of true conservatism will always be a winner. Not saying religion is not an important part of this country. Just that a right winger can be a radical just as easily as leftist who wraps themselves in Marxist ideals.

Rush is really one hell a speaker and in the full speech(part of which was shown above by LAS) really expressed the timelessness of conservatism.

[delhalew]

Rick Perry is not bad, but Colin Powell's actions say anything,but conservative.

[OklahomaTuba]

Ron Paul Baby. Then we can abolish the fed and get the gold reserve back. ;)

BTW, anyone notice the price of Gold the last few days? Anyone think the Shanghai market crash underway has anything to do with it?? Usually not good when it gets near $1,000.

[Scott D]

Colin Powell?

he'd be a sensible choice. Which is probably why in about 6 months to a year, you'll hear the mouthpieces that have been busy making him marginal remaking him as a hero and hoping that their viewers/listeners forget that they ever said anything negatively about the man in the first place.

As for the Palin issue, I think she's managed to prove that thinking is very low on her agenda in life.

[delhalew]

Gold has around $1000 since the spending spree started and we began getting chastised by China.

Oh, why the winky above? The Fed was one of the worst mistakes we ever made.

[delhalew]

I pledge allegiance to the debt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRY5waZ4IbE

[49r]

Rick Perry is not bad, but Colin Powell's actions say anything,but conservative.

When was the last time any President's actions, Republican or Democrat, did? It's been a while, IMO...

Ford? Nixon?

Ike?

[Curly Bill]

I live in Texas and I wouldn't vote for Perry.

[delhalew]

Throwing your support behind Barry Soetoro is certainly a way to **** off conservatives. Liberals survive by a game of semantics. Whatever lies his supporters use to convince themselves Barry is not a marxist, he is clearly the anti-conservative. Despite the fact that he tried on some of our principles for the campaign.

I will never forgive Colin Powell for supporting Obama.

[Scott D]

Throwing your support behind Barry Soetoro is certainly a way to **** off conservatives. Liberals survive by a game of semantics. Whatever lies his supporters use to convince themselves Barry is not a marxist, he is clearly the anti-conservative. Despite the fact that he tried on some of our principles for the campaign.

I will never forgive Colin Powell for supporting Obama.

that's perfectly fine. However, it's likely that the perception that a McCain presidency would have not been a far stretch from a Bush presidency, and seeing as how he got not only burned, but left to twist in the wind by that administration, but yet took the high ground in dealing with the "fallout" is at least a beginning impetus for his public choice.

[delhalew]

I hear ya'. I never really got that though. I would have been incredibly insulted, if I were McCain, when everyone suggests the "4 more years of Bush" crap.

McCain is no conservative, but neither is he "W". At what point was McCain a clone the previous pres?

I dunno. They all make me want to puke.

[Turd_Ferguson]

I live in Texas and I wouldn't vote for Perry.You are now dead to me.:mad:




















:D

[Okla-homey]

The current WH occupant is a far-lefty who was elected by a tad right-of- center electorate on the strength of their dissatisfaction with his GOP predecessor. In the words of his long-time pastor and mentor: "The chickens are coming home to roost." Fortunately, the buyers remorse the electorate is now feeling will assure the 2010 mid-terms will eliminate his party's huge majority in Congress, assuring he'll have more difficulty advancing his agenda than he's heretofore experienced. Which is good for us taxpayers.
;)

[Curly Bill]

You are now dead to me.:mad:
:D

Said it before and I'll say it again: There's nothing wrong with Texas, it's whorns I can't stand. :D

[Condescending Sooner]

The only reason Obama's numbers are falling is because Americans are racist.
(or so I'm told)

[Collier11]

Are the white Americans racist towards Obama or the black ones, since he is half and half :D

[JohnnyMack]

I live in Texas and I wouldn't vote for Perry.

If it was Perry vs. Obama in '12 I'm betting you would.

[OklahomaTuba]

If it was Perry vs. Obama in '12 I'm betting you would.I kinda suspect JM might as well. ;)

[JLEW1818]

If it was Perry vs. Obama in '12 I'm betting you would.

i hate Perry.. i hope its not him

[OklahomaTuba]

i hate Perry.. i hope its not himI really know nothing about the man, but I never hear anything that great about him. Whats the beef on him?? Is he just another big government republican like Bush??

[soonerloyal]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/KevAndLori/GraspOne.jpg

[OklahomaTuba]

That HOPE and CHANGE is working out just GREATAwesome. I just about spit-up my coffee on my keyboard when I read that one.

[JLEW1818]

I really know nothing about the man, but I never hear anything that great about him. Whats the beef on him?? Is he just another big government republican like Bush??

for starters, he was a Democrat before turning republican.

[Collier11]

All that means is he got smart :D

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Ron Paul Baby. Then we can abolish the fed and get the gold reserve back. ;)

BTW, anyone notice the price of Gold the last few days? Anyone think the Shanghai market crash underway has anything to do with it?? Usually not good when it gets near $1,000.


China's buying gold rather than US treasuries. Ruh-roh. I guess I'm going to have to invest in printing press makers because the Fed's going to need plenty more to keep up with our run away spending.

Hyper-inflation. It's not just for the 70's anymore.

Can I get paid in Euros?

[OklahomaTuba]

China's buying gold rather than US treasuries. Ruh-roh. I guess I'm going to have to invest in printing press makers because the Fed's going to need plenty more to keep up with our run away spending.

Hyper-inflation. It's not just for the 70's anymore.

Can I get paid in Euros?If that is the case, and Japan does the same thing, WTF happens then?

Default on our debt???

Byebye Dollar.

[Bourbon St Sooner]

Keep all those dollars you can. Everybody needs toilet paper.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

When was the last time any President's actions, Republican or Democrat, did? It's been a while, IMO...

Ford? Nixon?

Ike?Do you not count the '80's for some reason?

[49r]

There was a conservative president in the 80's?

[Scott D]

Don't you know, Reagan was the second coming of Jesus, Tim Tebow is the third.

[delhalew]

Don't you know, Reagan was the second coming of Jesus, Tim Tebow is the third.

I don't know what he had in common with Jesus, but he knew the American people are to smart to trust their lives to government.

[Curly Bill]

If it was Perry vs. Obama in '12 I'm betting you would.

Oh yeah, you can bet your *** on that. :D

[JohnnyMack]

You'd prolly vote for a sack of dead hamsters if they were on the ballot.

[Curly Bill]

You'd prolly vote for a sack of dead hamsters if they were on the ballot.

Over Brack? Yup...

...and a sack of dead hamsters would be preferable to Perry as well. ;)

[delhalew]

In all seriousness, tell me what's so bad about Perry. Outside of some quotes from him, which I liked, I know ****-all about the guy.

[Curly Bill]

In all seriousness, tell me what's so bad about Perry. Outside of some quotes from him, which I liked, I know ****-all about the guy.

One of the things that most made me hate the guy is he was in favor of taking several state highways that have already been paid for with our tax money and turning them into toll roads.

[delhalew]

That would **** me off...oh wait it already did! Oklahoma is doing this. Actually, I think they are just raising tolls to fund repairs of I 40.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

One of the things that most made me hate the guy is he was in favor of taking several state highways that have already been paid for with our tax money and turning them into toll roads.That puts him in the same, unacceptable league as Maobama?

[yermom]

i'd think Republicans would like toll roads

[Curly Bill]

That puts him in the same, unacceptable league as Maobama?

Nope, not even close to as being as bad as Obama, but that doesn't mean he's acceptable.

I think Perry would be as big a FAILure as Bush was. As governors go Bush was actually OK, Perry not so much.

[Curly Bill]

i'd think Republicans would like toll roads


Why do you think Republicans would want to pay even more money to use something they've already paid for?

[LosAngelesSooner]

'Cause people should get jorbs and pull themselves up by their bootstraps so they can drive on the toll roads. Driving isn't a right.

Harrumph...harrumph...harrumph...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Why do you think Republicans would want to pay even more money to use something they've already paid for?Better than a tax for something you don't use, no?...or just another tax for the halibut, such as a sales tax.

[Curly Bill]

Better than a tax for something you don't use, no?...or just another tax for the halibut, such as a sales tax.

No, not at all in favor of paying to drive on a road my taxes have already helped pay for.

Now, if someone wants to build a new road out of their pocket and then charge me to use it that's another story.

[soonerscuba]

Better than a tax for something you don't use, no?...or just another tax for the halibut, such as a sales tax.I think we could all agree that members of the flounder family should have a flat income tax, and a deduction for roving eyes.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I think we could all agree that members of the flounder family should have a flat income tax, and a deduction for roving eyes.As usual, I flat-out reject your proposal for species preferences.

[Scott D]

Nope, not even close to as being as bad as Obama, but that doesn't mean he's acceptable.

I think Perry would be as big a FAILure as Bush was. As governors go Bush was actually OK, Perry not so much.

You could have just gone with saying "Texans have a poor track record as President, which is why I wouldn't vote for Rick 'Which way is the wind blowing' Perry." ;)

[Breadburner]

That would **** me off...oh wait it already did! Oklahoma is doing this. Actually, I think they are just raising tolls to fund repairs of I 40.

They are raising tolls because the revenue is down......

[yermom]

Why do you think Republicans would want to pay even more money to use something they've already paid for?

roads still have to be maintained. at least this way it's paid for by the people that use it instead of being distributed to everyone else ;)

[OklahomaTuba]

Actually I think most of that toll money goes to pay for other roads.

[yermom]

if we're lucky ;)

at least they aren't into the double digits here... that Florida crap sucked

[OklahomaTuba]

Interesting to see how Obama helps/hurts the elections tonight.

[StoopTroup]

I thought Obama was taking Colace.

[tommieharris91]

I think Gallup had a poll showing Obama's approval rating at 54% today.

[OklahomaTuba]

RCP averages them all out, has about 51%.

Stunning considering where he started at just 9 months ago.


Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years

The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#

[LosAngelesSooner]

:les:EVERYBODY HATES HIM!!!!

[SoonerLaw09]

I really hope Mike Huckabee decides to run again. Heck, he won 8 states last time. I think Mitt Romney is a closet RINO and would be closer to dubya, which is a bad thing.

Ron Paul gets a lot of things right, but doesn't have enough mass appeal to win. He's too pissy when he speaks. And like was said above, as much as I like Sarah Palin, she's damaged goods. I like Mike! He'd need a good veep tho, prolly the dude from Louisiana, or maybe Pawlenty.

[Scott D]

To say she's damaged goods is being kind.

[Collier11]

she is damaged all over the place :D

[OklahomaTuba]

Speaking of damaged goods, you know its bad when the train wreck we call our current President is only beating Mike Huckabee by four points.

[Collier11]

I am starting to feel like Obama was just elected cus the people of this country were merely bored and wanted to try something new. The problem is now they got what they want and they really never wanted it in the first place

[Pricetag]

To say she's damaged goods is being kind.
How about "damaged bads"?