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adoniijahsooner
8/12/2009, 06:15 AM
According to usatoday article. I may need to come back home.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-11-oklahoma-jobs_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip


OKLAHOMA CITY — When an auto plant closes, it's usually bad news for the local economy.
When that factory is a mammoth, 4-million-square-foot operation with thousands of highly paid union workers, the shutdown usually means disaster.

Not in Oklahoma City, where the unemployment rate is low and personal income is soaring.




The General Motors plant closed in 2006, but was quickly reinvented as an aerospace repair operation for neighboring Tinker Air Force Base, one of the military's largest repair facilities.


This city is perhaps the most surprising. Construction cranes are busy here. New medical buildings are underway. Buildings are being renovated in the historical Bricktown neighborhood. Oklahoma City's June unemployment rate of 6% was the second-lowest in the nation for metropolitan areas with 1 million or people, says the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Its per-capita income grew 6.9% in 2008 to $40,942, compared with a year earlier, the Commerce Department reported last week. That growth made the city No. 1 in the USA for large metro areas.

What's Oklahoma City's secret? "Luck, as much as anything," says Roy Williams, Chamber of Commerce president and a former economic developer in Phoenix and Ohio. "We're doing the right things, in the right place, at the right time."

Government as a strong jobs base

Of the five big metro areas with the lowest unemployment rates — Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, Washington, San Antonio and Austin — four are state or U.S. capitals and all have a large government workforce.

Oklahoma City's economy is not only diversified but, by coincidence, is strong in areas that are thriving — or at least not collapsing — in this recession:

•Government jobs: As a state capital, it has a jobs base that enjoys the stability of government — federal, state and local. Despite budget shortfalls across the USA, state and local government are among the few parts of the economy that have added jobs during the recession.

•Medical and education jobs: Oklahoma City has large medical facilities and universities, types of employers that have held up well in the recession.

•Energy jobs: Oklahoma City is home to the state's two largest oil and gas companies, Devon Energy and Chesapeake Energy.

The city also escaped the real estate bubble.

The area's median housing price is $129,900, up 4% from a year earlier, according to the National Association of Realtors. Nationally, housing prices were down 14% during that time.

"Our highs are not high, and our lows are not low," says Michael Bernard, president of the Mid-Continent Oil and Gas Association of Oklahoma.

Retooling a factory

The city's economic good fortune has been remarkable — even in failure.

Oklahoma City tried to become a hub for manufacturing airplanes, expanding on the aerospace industry that surrounds the Air Force base, says Mayor Mick Cornett, a Republican. "Then comes the recession. People don't buy new planes. They repair what they've got. Oklahoma City does repair and overhaul. Voilà! Better be lucky than smart," he says.

Nothing illustrates Oklahoma City's winning streak more than the closure of the GM plant. Dozens of vacant auto plants remain silent in American towns, and this plant could have been the same had it not been located so close to the state's largest employer at one location, Tinker Air Force Base.

If the plant was miles away, the military would've had little interest, says Air Force Col. Randall Burke. Next-door was a different story: "It was very convenient."

Voters agreed to pay $55 million for the GM property and lease it to the military. The military is investing about $100 million over five years to convert the plant. "We're hiring right now," Burke says.

Tinker Aerospace Complex will have 500 new workers by the end of September, mostly aerospace engine specialists, Burke says. About 2,000 will work there by 2014. Tinker maintains B-1 and B-52 bombers, KC-135 refueling tankers and E-3 (AWACS) surveillance planes.

Despite its opportunity, Oklahoma City has not drawn a flood of job seekers.

"It's a better place to live than I thought," says Mason Loomis, who left a hotel job in Dearborn, Mich., for one in Oklahoma City.

Cornett says taxpayer-financed improvements started after United Airlines rejected the city as a maintenance hub. The airline told city officials that Indianapolis won because of superior quality of life.

"We got the message," Cornett says. "United told us they couldn't see employees living here. We tried to fix that."

oumartin
8/12/2009, 06:27 AM
hmm, could be true. Oklahoma is one of only 4 states where you can't go to your local Wal Mart and get all your kids school supplies for a set price of only $9.00

LilSooner
8/12/2009, 06:41 AM
I will say we are in a much better position here than in other states. My income has actually increased this year over last, but recession are normally good for my company.

badger
8/12/2009, 08:42 AM
hmm, could be true. Oklahoma is one of only 4 states where you can't go to your local Wal Mart and get all your kids school supplies for a set price of only $9.00

Why not? Because tax free weekend is over? That's kind of weird... I haven't been down to Wal-mart in a long time, so was unaware that Oklahoma isn't getting the $9 treatment :(

oumartin
8/12/2009, 08:54 AM
according to the Wal Mart hq in Bentonville its because the recession hasn't hit Oklahoma yet.

Yeah, My wife spent 75 bucks on school supplies this year at Wal Mart.
We tried to take advantage of the tax free weekend for school clothes but holy crap OKC malls were worse than at Christmas time.

Veritas
8/12/2009, 08:56 AM
These reports make me giggle...it ain't rocket science: cities in the midwest are recession proof because they're also whatever-is-the-opposite-of-recession proof. It's like reporting that an airline with no planes has never had a crash.

adoniijahsooner
8/12/2009, 10:51 AM
These reports make me giggle...it ain't rocket science: cities in the midwest are recession proof because they're also whatever-is-the-opposite-of-recession proof. It's like reporting that an airline with no planes has never had a crash.

could you explain, so i can understand?:confused:

NormanPride
8/12/2009, 10:58 AM
We didn't boom with the rest of the country, so we didn't bust with them either.

adoniijahsooner
8/12/2009, 11:03 AM
We didn't boom with the rest of the country, so we didn't bust with them either.

nothing has changed in the midwest?

NormanPride
8/12/2009, 11:07 AM
No, nothing has changed whatsoever.

adoniijahsooner
8/12/2009, 11:08 AM
No, nothing has changed whatsoever.

Well, I am still getting out of texas.

yermom
8/12/2009, 11:17 AM
recession-proof is a little strong, but a lot of the housing issues didn't hit us here near as bad, mostly because our houses weren't stupid expensive because not everyone wants to live here. but still i know a fair amount of people that lost jobs

i hadn't heard about the GM thing. that's pretty cool

NormanPride
8/12/2009, 11:18 AM
Well, I am still getting out of texas.

Good! Texas is bad for you. :D

KC//CRIMSON
8/12/2009, 02:44 PM
recession-proof is a little strong, but a lot of the housing issues didn't hit us here near as bad, mostly because our houses weren't stupid expensive because not everyone wants to live here. but still i know a fair amount of people that lost jobs

i hadn't heard about the GM thing. that's pretty cool

Didn't Chesapeake just lay off a bunch of people?

OUMallen
8/12/2009, 03:23 PM
Well, I am still getting out of texas.

Post of the year.

Lott's Bandana
8/13/2009, 01:05 AM
Why not? Because tax free weekend is over? That's kind of weird... I haven't been down to Wal-mart in a long time, so was unaware that Oklahoma isn't getting the $9 treatment :(


This isn't word for word, but Oklahoma has some kind of law that doesn't allow big-box retail to fix prices nationally and sell in Oklahoma. Sorry that is a bit vague, but so is the law. That particular law is why Costco doesn't come here and why Sam's is a bit different in the way they run their stores than other states.

Check out Wal-Mart's flyers when they have a big sale...there is fine print somewhere that lists, "except in Oklahoma." (and I think, Michigan)

BHB 91
8/13/2009, 07:44 AM
We're getting out of texas pretty soon, too and moving back to Oklahoma. Can't wait!

oumartin
8/13/2009, 07:54 AM
guess that article is like a year old

badger
8/13/2009, 08:46 AM
This isn't word for word, but Oklahoma has some kind of law that doesn't allow big-box retail to fix prices nationally and sell in Oklahoma.

Protecting Ma and Pa, eh?

King Crimson
8/13/2009, 08:58 AM
here's a NY Times article on the subject generally speaking from 2 weeks ago. i'm sure it's really a subliminal piece designed to further consolidate Obama's creeping authoritarianism... but hey.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/08/01/us/AP-US-Stress-Map-The-Safe-Zone.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=recession+montana&st=cse

Slice of Central US Safe From Recession Shrinking

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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 1, 2009

Filed at 6:17 p.m. ET

TORRINGTON, Wyo. (AP) -- Carl Rupp and his neighbors follow the old rancher's creed: ''Keep your money in your pocket.''

Rupp has farmed his whole life. He lives in Goshen County, a rural spot along the Nebraska line where cattle outnumber humans 16 to 1 and you can still see the ruts cut by wagons that hauled pioneers along the Oregon Trail. ''We're very conservative,'' said Rupp, 62. ''We don't go out too far on a limb.''

That prudent financial bent, matched with the high prices paid for crops and energy in the past few years, has largely protected Goshen County and a core group of several hundred other counties in 10 states from the recession's chokehold. The Associated Press Economic Stress Index shows they make up a ''safe zone'' that covers a long swath of middle America, from the Great Plains south to Texas.

But the safe zone is shrinking. Energy production and prices are sliding, especially for coal and natural gas. Crop prices are dropping, too, as there's less demand in Asia for American wheat, corn and soybeans. There were 800 counties in the safe zone a year ago, a number that dropped to about 300 counties in May and slid further to 200 counties in June.

''To say that you're doing pretty well is just to say that it's the best-looking puppy in a pretty ugly litter,'' said Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal, who recently imposed a 10 percent budget cut across his state's government in response to falling tax revenue from the energy sector.

The contiguous counties in the safe zone start in Montana and North Dakota, and cascade into Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Oklahoma, and end in northern Texas and eastern New Mexico. Those in the safe zone had an AP Economic Stress score under 5 in June, making them the economically healthiest in the United States.

The AP calculates a score from 1 to 100 based on each county's unemployment, foreclosure and bankruptcy rates. The higher the score, the higher the economic stress.

The safe zone is largely rural -- all but a dozen of the counties have populations of less than 25,000 people, many of whom make a living in agriculture. As the rest of the nation was riding the mortgage bubble, many farmers and ranchers in the safe zone who suffered through the agriculture crisis of the 1980s took on comparatively little debt. And when the recession hit, it didn't dampen demand for the row crops grown on the Great Plains.

Consumption of food and feed grains has increased 3 to 4 percent annually in recent years, while a federal mandate that gasoline contain certain levels of ethanol has also kept demand for corn and soybeans high.

''The last few years, ag has been pretty good,'' said Rupp, who sells alfalfa to dairies and feedlots. ''In the long run, if there is such a thing, it's more stable than being in a county with energy as a primary industry. We miss out on the booms and busts, but overall we're in pretty good shape.''

But while not in a bust cycle, ag prices are still down enough from last summer's highs to worry Doug Goehring, North Dakota's agriculture commissioner.

''If you really want to hurt the economy, beat the heck out of agriculture,'' Goehring said. ''It is a primary sector in our economy. It is generating new wealth. You can't just rely on services to drive your economy.''

Elsewhere in the safe zone, the business is energy, and the recession is starting to take a toll on a business that was booming. While oil prices have increased this summer, it's the price of natural gas and coal that matters most here. Natural gas that traded for nearly $13 per 1,000 cubic feet last summer is now available for less than $4. The spot price for coal is running around $9 a ton, down from about $13 last year.

The number of rigs in Wyoming drilling for coal bed methane dropped to zero in May, down from 19 the previous year, while the number of conventional rigs drilling for natural gas and oil is off by more than half. No coal mines have closed, but annual production could drop as much as 10 percent as the recession stalls the need for electricity nationwide.

''The prices of coal are down. Production is going to be down,'' said Marion Loomis, executive director of the Wyoming Mining Association. ''So we're going to see a pretty significant reduction probably this year, and it's really just based on the amount of electricity that the country is using.''

When booming, energy extraction kept unemployment low. In Oklahoma, for example, unemployment began creeping upward not long after as energy prices began sliding in September. It stood at 6.3 percent in June, up from 3.8 percent in June 2008. Wyoming's unemployment rate was 5.9 percent in June -- far below the national average of 9.5 percent, but the highest in the state since June 1999.

Because of a 45-percent dip in demand for its drilling services and installing pipeline, Three Way Inc. of Buffalo, Wyo. has laid off 145 workers, about 60 percent of its work force from last summer. It was among a dozen companies in northeastern Wyoming's coal-rich Powder River Basin that recently auctioned off hundreds of trucks, trailers and other equipment, said company controller Alex Mantle.

''Definitely people see some doom and gloom and are certainly disappointed,'' Mantle said.

Because of their small size, the AP index lacks foreclosure data for about half of the 200 counties that made up the safe zone in June; those with a population under 25,000 were assigned a foreclosure rate of zero. But there is widespread anecdotal evidence that real estate is an anchor in a place where many families proudly trace their land titles to homesteading ancestors who settled the frontier in the 1800s.

Aided by low interest rates, the value of farm and ranch land has grown by double digits this decade. Unlike California or Florida, there was no largely speculative housing bubble here.

Mike Daly started First State Bank of Wheatland in 1981, first setting up shop in a mobile home in a southeastern Wyoming town surrounded by lush farmland. His bank, which now has several branches, never got into the subprime mortgage market, and he said his customers prefer the traditional fixed-rate, 30-year home loans.

''The vast majority of our borrowers have had a pretty good run. And by that, I'm going to say eight to nine years of really (ag) good prices,'' Daly said. ''They've increased their equity positions, they've paid down debt, and they're in a position, for the most part, to weather the storm.''

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Associated Press writers Dale Wetzel in Bismarck, N.D., and Murray Evans in Oklahoma City contributed to this report.

Petro-Sooner
8/13/2009, 09:08 AM
Didn't Chesapeake just lay off a bunch of people?

They did but for what ever reason they are still hiring. And I wouldnt go so far as to say recession proof. I lost my job because of it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Animal Mother
8/13/2009, 05:13 PM
They did but for what ever reason they are still hiring. And I wouldnt go so far as to say recession proof. I lost my job because of it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Don't feel bad dude. I left an energy company in to work for a diffrent company.The new one in gave me a $20,000.00 per year raise.They also promoted me and made me the highest paid analyst in the department (bad move on my part!)The other company would've done after well I would say more training but they couldn't organize a fart in the middle of hot wing eating contest (see Dean's post) so there was never any training. Then my wife died at the start of 2009. Then this family oriented company laid me off less than three months later. Me no workee since March. I'm about to take a job at 50% of what I made in the earl bidness.But I should be able to hang onto my house. Life is a carnival. Believe it or not!
Anyone know of any $60,000.00 per year jobs in Oklahoma? You have to help me sell my house and move too! I'd be happy as a pig dipped in sh!t to move back to Oklahoma and be close to what remains of my family.

I have to go feel sorry for myslef at 5:15pm daily........ I mean I'm headed to The Roadhaus!