The handwriting is on the wall for an OU beat-down of the Horns this year...

[Soonerus]

OU 8 pre-season All Big XII players, Horns 3...big indicator...talents wins those games...

[olevetonahill]

Im ready to see it :D

[Soonerus]

OU's pick are all solid too, we could have had more....

[SoonerKnight]

I believe OUr D is good enough to suprise a lot of people this year. Since the end of the MNC I have had a feeling that we will be back this year with a vengence! I believe #8 in 2009!!! That's my motto this year!!

[Collier11]

OU 8 pre-season All Big XII players, *horns* 3...big indicator...talents wins those games...

we better get it this yr or it could be a few yrs til we are up there again :(

[85sooners]

Yeah!!!!!

[Jacie]

we better get it this yr or it could be a few yrs til we are up there again :(

Seems like "they" say that every year . . .

[Collier11]

you dont lose 4-5 1st rd draft picks every year either

[soonerfan28]

My one concern is our o-line. I'm not really concerned about Texas' d-line. I think to get any pressure they'll have to rush 5 or 6. It's those LB's that worry me. They have 3 pretty good LB's. Also people want to talk about how great that Texas o-line is, but I think they forget that we return 4 starters on our d-line and a nice rotation as well as every LB who saw significant playing time last year. If we were to do a comparison of our D against the Texas O it would at worst be a draw, but I think our O would have the edge of there D just because we return so many skill players and a damn good LT.

[Shockwave]

My question is, are we able to make *Texas*one-dimensional this year considering their apparent lack of a solid ground game? It's kinda strange b/c I can't remember any other time within the past 5-6 yrs when the horns didn't have at least one solid RB.

[soonerfan28]

My question is, are we able to make **Texas**one-dimensional this year considering their apparent lack of a solid ground game? It's kinda strange b/c I can't remember any other time within the past 5-6 yrs when the *horns* didn't have at least one solid RB.

If the upperclassmen don't do well then they do have Chris Whaley who is a good prospect.

[Jacie]

My question is, are we able to make **Texas**one-dimensional this year considering their apparent lack of a solid ground game? It's kinda strange b/c I can't remember any other time within the past 5-6 yrs when the *horns* didn't have at least one solid RB.

I guess you don't remember last year . . .

[htownsooner7]

I do not believe that our talent out-classes theirs this year. Pretty evenly matched. In fact, right now, Texas is a one point favorite in most sportsbooks.

[soonerfan28]

I do not believe that our talent out-classes theirs this year. Pretty evenly matched. In fact, right now, *Texas* is a one point favorite in most sportsbooks.

I think when you compare the matchups then we come out ahead.

[SoonerInFortSmith]

We shoulda won last year and we will win this year.

[BoomerJ]

If I remember correctly, McCoy was Texas leading rusher last year. In the past few years I have gained more grey hair watching our bend-don't break defense give up first downs to scrambling quarterbacks. I hope this year we can dominate Texas as we did the first few years of this decade. I think we have the D to do it.

[Crucifax Autumn]

OU is gonna whip their *** and they will be the biggest challenge of the season. OU is gonna dominate the schedule. PERIOD.



If not, I'll have the biggest man-cry in history.

[Statalyzer]

I guess you don't remember last year . . .

Ogbonnaya averaged 5 yards a carry and was Texas' leading receiver (46 catches) outside of Shipley and Cosby. Nothing spectacular, but certainly a solid RB.

[JLEW1818]

the 1 big run killed us

[SoonerInFortSmith]

the 1 big run killed us

That and the low blow on RR

[OUAlumni1990]

ruffing the passer calls on 3rd down (twice in a row) didn't help matters at all. bogus calls if you ask me. Texas has been complaining that we got all the breaks last year, I say they're the ones that caught the breaks.

[the_edge]

*Texas* quite literally has a two-man front-seven: Sergio Kindle and Roddrick Muckelroy. The other five guys might start for ISU or Baylor.

That does not bode well for them. Their defense is going to be mediocre to terrible.

[rainiersooner]

No shizzle, ain't that the truth....

[soonerfan28]

I still don't understand the Lamont Robinson non-interception call. I guess you have to go to the ground w/the ball? But I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble. Clarification anyone?

[Collier11]

***Texas*** quite literally has a two-man front-seven: Sergio Kindle and Roddrick Muckelroy. The other five guys might start for ISU or Baylor.

That does not bode well for them. Their defense is going to be mediocre to terrible.

:rolleyes:

[XingTheRubicon]

I still don't understand the Lamont Robinson non-interception call. I guess you have to go to the ground w/the ball? But I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble. Clarification anyone?

when you leave your feet to make a reception or pick, you have to control the ball after hitting the ground.

[soonerfan28]

thanks

[Eielson]

Ogbonnaya averaged 5 yards a carry and was *Texas*' leading receiver (46 catches) outside of Shipley and Cosby. Nothing spectacular, but certainly a solid RB.

Ogbonnaya sucked. I screamed 87 times before he made it in the endzone against us. That's how long it took.

[Eielson]

when you leave your feet to make a reception or pick, you have to control the ball after hitting the ground.

He caught it, and took three steps.

[Collier11]

Even Stoops said it wasnt a pick, get over it people

[Eielson]

Even Stoops said it wasnt a pick, get over it people

I don't care what he said. I still say it was an interception.

[JLEW1818]

the hole in my wall says it was bull ****!

[Collier11]

well id imagine Stoops knows a little more about it than you so...get over it

[Statalyzer]

It was not an interception and the rulebook is very clear on this. Same reason that (despite a bunch of Texas fans who claim the contrary) Drew Kelson did not make that interception against USC in the Rose Bowl.


I guess you have to go to the ground w/the ball? But I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble.

The saying "The ground can't cause a fumble" is a common phrase, but incorrect. It can under the right circumstances cause either a fumble (especially in the NFL) or an incomplete pass. See Clint Stoerner's famous blunder in 1999 as an example of the ground causing a fumble. As long as the player isn't down by contact, the ball can be dislodged by the ground.

[CBUS_SOONER]

Why is a lot of the media picking Texazz to beat us this yr????? I am glad we are under dogs but am a little confused... We lost a lot on our line, but I think we will be ok up front. Who did Texazz lose? I feel like we would have beat texazz by 3-4 touchdowns late in the season. My biggest concern is our special teams. Someone please fill me in.

[Collier11]

why are they picking them over us? we lost our o-line, texas beat us last yr, they won their bowl game and we didnt...you should know by now how the media works

[snrfan65]

I think the media is not picking Texas based on our Oline situation. Texas replaces Dline starters, so that could be a wash.

I also don't think the media's reasoning is based on the points allowed in earlier games last year. We have an improved D, lots of returning starters, and the media probably gets that.

I'm guessing the key element is special teams, which no one (meaning Sooner fans) seems to be talking about. At no point were the specials teams woes "corrected" or improved last year. I think we were better against Florida, which is good news, but we all saw those punt returns and kick off returns for TDs in nearly every game.

Also, I think the media believes Texas is in our "heads", like we were in their heads from '00 to '04.

I'm convinced we have a better offense and defense than Texas this year. I'm NOT, however, convinced we won't see Shipley running one back again.

I could be wrong, but if I'm guessing, this is where the media is coming from.

[Eielson]

It was not an interception and the rulebook is very clear on this.

What is the rule?


The saying "The ground can't cause a fumble" is a common phrase, but incorrect. It can under the right circumstances cause either a fumble (especially in the NFL) or an incomplete pass.

I realize this, but I don't see how this is the "right circumstance." I'm not saying it isn't, but I've never had anybody state a rule that convinced me it wasn't an interception.

[Eielson]

well id imagine Stoops knows a little more about it than you so...get over it

Is that all you have? Stoops said it so it must be true? It's one thing to have him back up your argument, but it's another thing when he IS your argument.

[Collier11]

The referees on the field called it no pick, the head coach of the team whom this call effected said it was no pick, the rules say it was no pick, its like the tuck rule for raider fans, whether you like it or not it is a rule and it was called correctly

[JiuJitsuSooner]

the 2 nic harris phantom "hit's out of bounce" really hurt too..

[JLEW1818]

Travis Lewis

[Salt City Sooner]

The referees on the field called it no pick, the head coach of the team whom this call effected said it was no pick, the rules say it was no pick, its like the tuck rule for raider fans, whether you like it or not it is a rule and it was called correctly
This. Other examples of this type of call off the top of my head are A) Manny Johnson in Lubbock in '07, B) a Tech's Swindoll midway through the 1st quarter in Norman last year, & C) Maclin in the endzone in the CCG last year (IIRC this one was just before he caught one that actually counted).

[IronHorseSooner]

Texas will be relying on a couple of first year guys on their DL. Kindle is their star, but you wonder where his head is. The guy who was the problem for us last year (Orakpo), and the guy who he used a traffic cone (Loadholt) are both gone to the NFL. No way does Kindle or Okafor get around T-Will, or Brandon for that matter, different type of O-Linemen. Last year's Texas D was built around Orakpo. He caused match up problems, and forced QBs into hurried throws, which made their back 7 look better. Their D won't be the same without him.

[Eielson]

the rules say it was no pick

What rule are you referring to?

[soonerchris]

Let us remember oregon for a moment collier. Announcers said we clearly recovered a fumble on the on side kick. Replay proved it. Yourself knew it. Refs blew a call. If stoops agreed with refs would you as well? OU texas. This game was just aired a few days ago. Annoucers said it was a pick. Rule does not state period that ground can cause fumble in college. Show me please collier where. Our guys knee was down. Guess what? That means he was down. This time instant replay and rules trump opinion. Bad call by refs and shouldve been reviewed period. This stuff is exactly why the writting is on the wall for an *** whipping. I'm sure the players don't want any doubts or excuses this year by fans, refs, coach or media

[Collier11]

What rule are you referring to?

Its already been explained, if you cant figure it out by now im not going to keep doing it


Let us remember oregon for a moment collier. Announcers said we clearly recovered a fumble on the on side kick. Replay proved it. Yourself knew it. Refs blew a call. If stoops agreed with refs would you as well? OU texas. This game was just aired a few days ago. Annoucers said it was a pick. Rule does not state period that ground can cause fumble in college. Show me please collier where. Our guys knee was down. Guess what? That means he was down. This time instant replay and rules trump opinion. Bad call by refs and shouldve been reviewed period. This stuff is exactly why the writting is on the wall for an *** whipping. I'm sure the players don't want any doubts or excuses this year by fans, refs, coach or media

:rolleyes:

really, thats the comparison you make, that oregon play has no relevance to what happened here??? the rule clearly states whether you or eilson or anyone else likes it that on any catch you have to posess the ball through impacting the ground, same deal that happened to manny in Lubbock two years ago. no one ever said it was a good rule but it is what it is

[soonerchris]

I say the rule clearly states that when a reciever has possesion and his knee hits the ground he is down in college. Who wins? Can't help if I've had different e mails over the years I've posted here so don't let my little number fool you. People have diffrent takes. Doesn't make you right collier.

[Collier11]

The rulebook makes it right, has nothing to do with me. Watch the video, he rolls onto the ground...I could care less how long youve been here, you are still wrong

[Collier11]

watch at 3:31...you are wrong

Like I said, it isnt a good rule IMO because that shoulda been an INT but if you follow the rules it is not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgTetB_P4RU

[Eielson]

Its already been explained, if you cant figure it out by now im not going to keep doing it

I don't see what the "when you leave your feet to make a reception or pick, you have to control the ball after hitting the ground" rule has to do with this play. He didn't leave the ground to make the interception, and then he took three steps.

The announcers of the game said that the replay booth said he was losing possession of the ball as he was going down. If this was the case, I, along with both announcers, disagree.

So if you have another rule that actually does apply to this play, I'd love to hear it. Your only argument for this is that Bob Stoops said it wasn't an interception. First of all, I've never seen that he actually did. Secondly, even if he said that it doesn't mean that is what he truly believes. There are plenty of reasons why Stoops would say it wasn't an interception even if he believed it was.

[Collier11]

You dont believe it was incomplete, I do by rule only...I have stated several times that I think it is a bad rule, but a rule nonetheless. Im not going to look up quotes or rulebooks, if you want that go do it yourself. The burden isnt on me to prove it cus that was the call that was made.

[Eielson]

You dont believe it was incomplete, I do by rule only...I have stated several times that I think it is a bad rule, but a rule nonetheless. Im not going to look up quotes or rulebooks, if you want that go do it yourself. The burden isnt on me to prove it cus that was the call that was made.

So you believe that "by rule" this wasn't an interception, but yet you don't know what the rule is?

[Collier11]

Apparently you cant read either...I said I dont believe it should be called an incomplete pass or interception if you posess the ball and lose it upon impacting the ground. Just because I dont believe it should be a rule doesnt mean they are going to stop calling it that way, hell they still have the idiotic tuck rule in the NFL

[Eielson]

Apparently you cant read either...I said I dont believe it should be called an incomplete pass or interception if you posess the ball and lose it upon impacting the ground. Just because I dont believe it should be a rule doesnt mean they are going to stop calling it that way, hell they still have the idiotic tuck rule in the NFL

You have to keep possession of the ball after you hit the ground when you leave the ground. Robinson didn't leave the ground. He had also taken three steps. That rule doesn't apply.

[Collier11]

yawn...whatev, it doesnt matter anyway, the call is what it is, we lost

[josh09]

That and the low blow on RR

And the missed INT call in the end zone.

[JLEW1818]

sam should have thrown for more TD's

oh wait he threw for 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[snrfan65]

I have quite a few friends who are horn fans. And I do enjoy talking Xs and Os and match ups with them.

Problem is, this year, they aren't talking Xs and Os. They are talking about how they "got s&rewed" and OU "got lucky", etc.

My take is that they KNOW they got lucky with the Travis Lewis calls, got very fortunate with the "no interception call" (whether it was the "correct" call or not), and got WAY fortunate when Reynolds went out. What they don't want to think about is that we will probably have a full linebacking corp this time, with much more experience, a killer Dline, great corners, and Sam and Gresham and Murray and Brown back on offense.

It's easier right now for them to not think that far ahead, and just "expect" to win simply because they won the last one.

They are not idiots. They know they have a savvy quarterback who often wills the team to victory, an aggressive D coordinator, and plenty of speed and talent all over (Texas usually does). They also believe the UT coaches and Colt are "in our heads", much the same way we were in the heads of some talented Texas teams from '00 to '02.

Where they are mistaken is in their belief that they will be facing the same defense they did in the 4th quarter last season.

[Collier11]

^^^ Good Post

[SoonersEnFuego]

The saying "The ground can't cause a fumble" is a common phrase, but incorrect.
So is "Head to Head wins should matter". See, it doesn't matter when there's a three way tie.
Lots of things are said.

[htownsooner7]

Texas will be relying on a couple of first year guys on their DL. Kindle is their star, but you wonder where his head is. The guy who was the problem for us last year (Orakpo), and the guy who he used a traffic cone (Loadholt) are both gone to the NFL. No way does Kindle or Okafor get around T-Will, or Brandon for that matter, different type of O-Linemen. Last year's Texas D was built around Orakpo. He caused match up problems, and forced QBs into hurried throws, which made their back 7 look better. Their D won't be the same without him.

I think they ranked 106th against the pass so I'm not sure how much better he could have made their back 7. I can't see any way that the whorns don't improve in the secondary, they were all young and are back. That being said, its the 106th best secondary, so I feel good about throwing on them (we set a record last year) all over again.

[Eielson]

yawn...whatev, it doesnt matter anyway, the call is what it is, we lost

That was one of the worst arguments I've seen in awhile.

[Collier11]

Its impossible to argue someone who doesnt listen to facts, Ive repeated myself 10 times, its like im arguing with my GF

I have repeated several times why I thought it was a Pick defined by rule, I have repeated several times that I dont agree with the rule but it is what it is

You arent going to agree with me either way so why does it even matter anymore. Im backed up by rule, by the referee on the field, by Coach Stoops, if that isnt enough and you still dont believe it and you think the ref was wrong and Stoops was just BSin then so be it, I dont care!

[htownsooner7]

Its impossible to argue someone who doesnt listen to facts, Ive repeated myself 10 times, its like im arguing with my GF

I have repeated several times why I thought it was a Pick defined by rule, I have repeated several times that I dont agree with the rule but it is what it is

You arent going to agree with me either way so why does it even matter anymore. Im backed up by rule, by the referee on the field, by Coach Stoops, if that isnt enough and you still dont believe it and you think the ref was wrong and Stoops was just BSin then so be it, I dont care!

Dude's in your kitchen now. By not using logic, he's gotten under your skin. Well played.

[JLEW1818]

Collier could care less, trust me

[Collier11]

Dude's in your kitchen now. By not using logic, he's gotten under your skin. Well played.

He is in my kitchen for not using logic? WTF are you talking about? It doesnt get more logical than my argument, Im going to trust the ref on the field, the rule book, and Coach Stoops over some random fans opinion every day of the week. Far from illogical, nice attempt at sounding logical though

[Collier11]

Collier could care less, trust me

I care less than that actually ;)

[Eielson]

Summary of Collier's argument...

"The ref said that it wasn't an interception (we know they aren't ever wrong), and Bob Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception so I'm right. Although I can't tell you the rule, I believe this was the right call by rule, but I can't tell you why. Oh, and did I mention Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception?"

Brilliant.

[JLEW1818]

Summary of Collier's argument...

"The ref said that it wasn't an interception (we know they aren't ever wrong), and Bob Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception so I'm right. Although I can't tell you the rule, I believe this was the right call by rule, but I can't tell you why. Oh, and did I mention Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception?"

Brilliant.


the summary of you argument


Eielson is right, yall are all wrong, Stoops does not know, the ref does not know

[rainiersooner]

Does anyone know where I can get a Sooner ringtone?

[Stoops=God]

" Oh, and did I mention Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception?"

Brilliant.

Stoops DID say it wasn't an interception. If you can find it (I have no idea how you would), Stoops said it on his weekly show with Dean Blevins. He also explained the rule (which I forget, but at the time made great sense.)

[soonerchris]

This is like listening to jerry springer! Who cares what collier thinks! He doesn't! Damn, atleast I seemingly figured that out WAY before you! But keep going please. Its like therapy for dealing with my ex! Lol!! Think your being strung along. Just a little

[goingoneight]

I have to ask this question... I just have to.

Why the hell do people act like...

1) Texas clobbered us last year?
IIRC, there's a stat that said no one has ever given up 35 points and won the RRS before until last year when Reynolds went down and that little fiasco took place. Back on subject... losing by 10 in a high-scoring shootout tells me something's wrong with both defenses. What's Tejas's excuse?

2) Like Texas defense did anything but **** their pants against Sam Bradford.
Sam Bradford vs. Texas = 5 TDs

The Reynolds injury left the water running for us. OUr loss in Dallas last year can be argued just as big a "fluke" as they say their loss to Taco Tech was.

On a side note: I wonder if "Big Game Bob" will ever have be "Full Roster Bob" for any of the big games we've lost in part due to a major void somewhere.

Example: Does Tejas break off that long run to the five or so if a competent MLB steps up and lays the hammer down on him? Does Shipley dare cross over the middle as many times?

The games aren't lost by one guy, I know... but it's not like we lost 65-13. You'd think by some predictions that we should just go ahead and mark this year down as a loss in Dallas based on "45-35!!!"

[Eielson]

Stoops DID say it wasn't an interception. If you can find it (I have no idea how you would), Stoops said it on his weekly show with Dean Blevins. He also explained the rule (which I forget, but at the time made great sense.)

Okay, he probably did say it. I'd like to see what he said. However, it isn't uncommon for a coach to say one thing, and think another. For that reason, I don't like the argument that "just because (insert name) said it, it must be true." It's one thing if that is support, but it's a whole different thing if that is your entire argument. I would just like to see somebody show me a rule, or at least completely make up a rule that would cause that play to be an incompletion. I've yet to see one.

Anybody can look at a replay. It's obvious he a) did not go down on his own, and b) was not airborn when he made the catch. I've looked through the rule book, and have yet to see a rule that would cause this to be an incompletion. The rulebook is massive, though.

[soonerfan28]

We owned them for 3 quarters and in the 4th the breaks went their way. This year that won't happen. It will be welcome back 2000 and 2003.

[ouwasp]

Well I'm ready for an epic thrashing of Biblical proportions (or maybe 2000 style, same thing)... I'd be happy with a 1 pt win of course... but I hate close games.

One mystery regarding last yrs game was how did the Sooner coaches have such a woeful plan in place when Reynolds went down! Did the kid that took Ryan's place even step on the field the rest of the yr?

[Collier11]

Summary of Collier's argument...

"The ref said that it wasn't an interception (we know they aren't ever wrong), and Bob Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception so I'm right. Although I can't tell you the rule, I believe this was the right call by rule, but I can't tell you why. Oh, and did I mention Stoops might have said it wasn't an interception?"

Brilliant.

holy moly

[Collier11]

Okay, he probably did say it. I'd like to see what he said. However, it isn't uncommon for a coach to say one thing, and think another. For that reason, I don't like the argument that "just because (insert name) said it, it must be true." It's one thing if that is support, but it's a whole different thing if that is your entire argument. I would just like to see somebody show me a rule, or at least completely make up a rule that would cause that play to be an incompletion. I've yet to see one.

Anybody can look at a replay. It's obvious he a) did not go down on his own, and b) was not airborn when he made the catch. I've looked through the rule book, and have yet to see a rule that would cause this to be an incompletion. The rulebook is massive, though.

the more proof you get, the more you argue :rolleyes:

Like I said, there is evidence where Stoops explains the rule, I didnt remember that it was on Deans show but apparently it was. If you want to go find it then go for it, if not then quit arguing cus you have brought nothing to the table other than your incorrect opinion and your gf over there that doesnt want to see you get your feelers hurt

[soonerchris]

This is getting painfull to read. Collier doesn't care. Your being strung along! Eilson are you freakin 2?? Good Lord!! Even my dumb *** fell for it, er smart ***, well you get the point! But who am I to stand in the way of ignorance

[Collier11]

He is the one arguing with opinion, I am arguing with 3 different levels of proof to back me up, whether you like my proof or not is up to you guys, doesnt matter to me but dont argue the fact just cus you say so cus that doesnt work

[TexasLidig8r]

We owned them for 3 quarters and in the 4th the breaks went their way. This year that won't happen. It will be welcome back 2000 and 2003.

Let's see.. with approximately 10 minutes to go before halftime, OU had a 21 - 10 lead.

The rest of the game, you got outscored 35 - 14.

But.. you owned Texas for 3 quarters????

And we only won because we got... "breaks?" :rolleyes:

[Crimson_Balls]

After watching the highlight recap of the '08 Shootout. The Sooners are going to miss Manny. I hope our WR's can step it up. And I pray the OL become men.

[Collier11]

Let's see.. with approximately 10 minutes to go before halftime, OU had a 21 - 10 lead.

The rest of the game, you got outscored 35 - 14.

But.. you owned Texas for 3 quarters????

And we only won because we got... "breaks?" :rolleyes:

I wouldnt go as far as owned but we were winning late in the 3rd quarter, possibly even into the 4th quarter, I dont remember

[Blitzkrieg]

We will tear their sacccs, yet again.

[Eielson]

After watching the highlight recap of the '08 Shootout. The Sooners are going to miss Manny. I hope our WR's can step it up. And I pray the OL become men.

We seemed to do alright when he went down. Everybody seems to focus on us losing Iggy and Manny, but I think returning Broyles and Gresham is better than most teams can say.

[snrfan65]

Let's see.. with approximately 10 minutes to go before halftime, OU had a 21 - 10 lead.

The rest of the game, you got outscored 35 - 14.

But.. you owned Texas for 3 quarters????

And we only won because we got... "breaks?" :rolleyes:

No, you won because you had a great QB, some good/great wide receivers, and an offensive coordinator who put in a smart game plan. Texas was really, really good last season (and will be this season). No one is saying the opposite.

That said, OU was also really, really good last season, and so when you look for the reasons behind a loss like that, you look at all the little things.

And yes, I'll say it, Texas got some breaks. Had Orakpo or Colt gone down, I would definitely be saying that's a break for OU. Reynolds going down, absolutely a break. Yes, injuries happen, but when looking for the reasons behind losses, you look at those kind of things.

What you won't get is the satisfaction of us Sooner fans buying into the "we kicked your a$$es" thing put out there by UT fans (or at least the ones I know who blew up my phone after the game-lol). You didn't "kick our a$$es". We led for a good part of the game, it was as evenly matched as any game all year, and UT came out on top. Period.

[Collier11]

No, you won because you had a great QB, some good/great wide receivers, and an offensive coordinator who put in a smart game plan. Texas was really, really good last season (and will be this season). No one is saying the opposite.

That said, OU was also really, really good last season, and so when you look for the reasons behind a loss like that, you look at all the little things.

And yes, I'll say it, Texas got some breaks. Had Orakpo or Colt gone down, I would definitely be saying that's a break for OU. Reynolds going down, absolutely a break. Yes, injuries happen, but when looking for the reasons behind losses, you look at those kind of things.

What you won't get is the satisfaction of us Sooner fans buying into the "we kicked your a$$es" thing put out there by UT fans (or at least the ones I know who blew up my phone after the game-lol). You didn't "kick our a$$es". We led for a good part of the game, it was as evenly matched as any game all year, and UT came out on top. Period.

Dont worry yourself with Lid, he is a little slowwwwww

[TexasLidig8r]

No, you won because you had a great QB, some good/great wide receivers, and an offensive coordinator who put in a smart game plan. Texas was really, really good last season (and will be this season). No one is saying the opposite.

That said, OU was also really, really good last season, and so when you look for the reasons behind a loss like that, you look at all the little things.

And yes, I'll say it, Texas got some breaks. Had Orakpo or Colt gone down, I would definitely be saying that's a break for OU. Reynolds going down, absolutely a break. Yes, injuries happen, but when looking for the reasons behind losses, you look at those kind of things.

What you won't get is the satisfaction of us Sooner fans buying into the "we kicked your a$$es" thing put out there by UT fans (or at least the ones I know who blew up my phone after the game-lol). You didn't "kick our a$$es". We led for a good part of the game, it was as evenly matched as any game all year, and UT came out on top. Period.

Where in the blue hell did you come from? That's an intelligent post. You will get negspekked into Bolivia if you keep making posts of substance and intelligence.

Go back to the... "wooo hoo... bommer.. uh.. bummer.. oh you know! Sooner!!!! to appeal to the masses on here.

By the way.. I think it's pretty sorry to call your friends/co-workers/acquiantances after a game and rub it in... a good cigar, great food and enjoying the evening is reward enough. No need to rub it in... especially when the emotions are still running high.

[Animal Mother]

Rubbing it in is only a good idea if you plan on dying before the next season's game.

[Eielson]

Where in the blue hell did you come from? That's an intelligent post. You will get negspekked into Bolivia if you keep making posts of substance and intelligence.

Go back to the... "wooo hoo... bommer.. uh.. bummer.. oh you know! Sooner!!!! to appeal to the masses on here.

By the way.. I think it's pretty sorry to call your friends/co-workers/acquiantances after a game and rub it in... a good cigar, great food and enjoying the evening is reward enough. No need to rub it in... especially when the emotions are still running high.

No matter who won the game, when you have over 8,000 posts on the other team's forum, you are still a loser.

[OUAlumni1990]

No matter who won the game, when you have over 8,000 posts on the other team's forum, you are still a loser.

best post of this thread

[TexasLidig8r]

No matter who won the game, when you have over 8,000 posts on the other team's forum, you are still a loser.

Let me guess.. you're about 22 years old... didn't graduate from college.. and the highlight of your day consists of when you get a 20% tip on the porch after you have delivered the Triple Meat Special.

[tigepilot]

Where in the blue hell did you come from? That's an intelligent post. You will get negspekked into Bolivia if you keep making posts of substance and intelligence.

Go back to the... "wooo hoo... bommer.. uh.. bummer.. oh you know! Sooner!!!! to appeal to the masses on here.

By the way.. I think it's pretty sorry to call your friends/co-workers/acquiantances after a game and rub it in... a good cigar, great food and enjoying the evening is reward enough. No need to rub it in... especially when the emotions are still running high.

If you weren't such a jackass in the first part of your post I could of given you spek for the sentiment in the last part of your post. Rubbing it in is low class indeed. I have only one 'friend' who does this who is a whoren fan who claims he is not a fan at all when Texas loses.


best post of this thread

+1


Let me guess.. you're about 22 years old... didn't graduate from college.. and the highlight of your day consists of when you get a 20% tip on the porch after you have delivered the Triple Meat Special.

Very weak reply.

[Collier11]

I deliver the triple meat special all the time and I have no problem with giving the tip

[TexasLidig8r]

I deliver the triple meat special all the time and I have no problem with giving the tip

Does Howzit know you are cheating on him?

[Collier11]

I wouldnt call it cheating, I dont even know Howzits real name

[SoonerKnight]

Where in the blue hell did you come from? That's an intelligent post. You will get negspekked into Bolivia if you keep making posts of substance and intelligence.

Go back to the... "wooo hoo... bommer.. uh.. bummer.. oh you know! Sooner!!!! to appeal to the masses on here.

By the way.. I think it's pretty sorry to call your friends/co-workers/acquiantances after a game and rub it in... a good cigar, great food and enjoying the evening is reward enough. No need to rub it in... especially when the emotions are still running high.

Lid you are about as useful as tits on a bull. Remember you dumb aggy impersonator your on a sooner board. This board is way more forgiving than that whorn board you hang out on. Appreciate the fact you haven't been banned yet. If a OU fan had said anything close to what you have said on your whorn board they would have been banned. Remember to milk the cows not the bulls! Oh wait you like it when bevo smiles!

[Crimson_Balls]

I think it's good to have Lid on this board. He puts things into perspective. Some of you people think that 2009 Sooner Football is the second coming of Christ. Let's face the facts people. Texas has a chance to beat Oklahoma every year! If the Sooners aren't ready to play, then they will get hit in the mouth! (I can only hope that the Sooner's inexperienced OL is ready for a game of this magnitude)

[Collier11]

STFU
































:D

[Collier11]

He never puts things in perspective but he does offer a tad bit of balance

[footballfanatic]

*Texas* quite literally has a two-man front-seven: Sergio Kindle and Roddrick Muckelroy. The other five guys might start for ISU or Baylor.

That does not bode well for them. Their defense is going to be mediocre to terrible.

I hope your coaching staff thinks so and plans accordingly. :)

[gaylordfan1]

I think it's good to have Lid on this board. He puts things into perspective. Some of you people think that 2009 Sooner Football is the second coming of Christ. Let's face the facts people. Texas has a chance to beat Oklahoma every year! If the Sooners aren't ready to play, then they will get hit in the mouth! (I can only hope that the Sooner's inexperienced OL is ready for a game of this magnitude)

2009 WILL be the second coming of Christ. We will see Christ himself (Tebow) on the field in the MNC!

[footballfanatic]

In the last four games, you have been outscored by double digits in three of them. Your lone win was by 7 points. Any Sooner who thinks you are going to hand it to UT is delusional. You may, of course, win, but to say you are that much better at so many positions? Last year, we ran all over you with a fairly average back. Muschamp has brought a new toughness to our team, and in the fourth quarter, we have been controlling the line of scrimmage, out-hitting, out-hustling, and most importantly, playing a more mental toughness.

[OUAlumni1990]

Let me guess.. you're about 22 years old... didn't graduate from college.. and the highlight of your day consists of when you get a 20% tip on the porch after you have delivered the Triple Meat Special.


I'd rather be a 22 year old pizza delivery boy than a no good cheating lawyer who beats up on elderly women who are falsely accused of not paying her bills. At least I could sleep at night. :texan:

[OUAlumni1990]

In the last four games, you have been outscored by double digits in three of them. Your lone win was by 7 points.


And UT still hasn't even come CLOSE to score as many points as OU in the RRS series between Brown vs Stoops. I believe we out score you close to 2:1.

[OUAlumni1990]

Muschamp has brought a new toughness to our team, and in the fourth quarter, we have been controlling the line of scrimmage, out-hitting, out-hustling, and most importantly, playing a more mental toughness.

You horn fans act like muschamp is the second coming, yet we scored 35 points on his defense last year. Where do you get off thinking HE is going to do that much better this year? See, two can play that game pal...

[Crimson_Balls]

In the last four games, you have been outscored by double digits in three of them. Your lone win was by 7 points. Any Sooner who thinks you are going to hand it to UT is delusional. You may, of course, win, but to say you are that much better at so many positions? Last year, we ran all over you with a fairly average back. Muschamp has brought a new toughness to our team, and in the fourth quarter, we have been controlling the line of scrimmage, out-hitting, out-hustling, and most importantly, playing a more mental toughness.


You are a little optimistic yourself! Texas fans are the biggest bitches in the league! You guys are just bitter because you beat us the last 3 out of 4 years and can't win out your regular season schedule. Can you say Kansas State?

So well for mental toughness. That's why the Sooners have 3 Big XII titles in a row!

[footballfanatic]

Last year, in this two biggest games, Colt McCoy showed leadership and led tough, 4th quarter comeback victories against OU and Ohio State. Even in our loss, he had us up with two minutes to go. In his two biggest games of the season, Sam Bradford folded in the fourth quarter. His play and attitude became meeker and meeker as more and more defensive pressure was placed on him. Texas was tougher mentally.

[Collier11]

SB in no way folded in the natl title game, the pick he threw was not his fault at all, just a great play by the DB and an avg play by our WR

[olevetonahill]

SB in no way folded in the natl title game, the pick he threw was not his fault at all, just a great play by the DB and an avg play by our WR

Dont try to talk sense to a :texan:

[Curly Bill]

Seriously, if some of ya would quit responding to them they'd likely go away.

Hear that Collier, ya dumas? :D

[olevetonahill]

Seriously, if some of ya would quit responding to them they'd likely go away.

Hear that Collier, ya dumas? :D

Collier aint got the sense to pour pizz outa a boot , If we told him the instructions were on the heel :D

[Collier11]

Yea but this place gets boring sometimes and a good irrational argument helps sometimes ;)

[Collier11]

Collier aint got the sense to pour pizz outa a boot , If we told him the instructions were on the heel :D

Coming from the guy who doesnt have the sense to stick his willy in the goat before it is dead :eek:

[Curly Bill]

Yea but this place gets boring sometimes and a good irrational argument helps sometimes ;)

I have decided to erase the words that I had originally put here, because I was taking a shot at posters not currently involved in the discussion.

[SoonerKnight]

Lid provides no balance to this board. The idea that a whorn fan comes onto the board and starts talking smack about OU or the fans on this borad is not balance. It is stupidity. There is a difference between a rival fan coming on here and showing respect and contributing to a conver sation and one that makes fun of the board members. :rolleyes:

[Curly Bill]

yup

[Collier11]

The balance I was speaking of was
Sooner Fans- not ******s
Horn Fans- ******s

[Bosley]

The balance I was speaking of was
Sooner Fans- not ******s
Horn Fans- ******s

I'd like to buy an E.

[OUmillenium]

+ Our coverage on special teams showed great improvement in the National Championship game. Letting Shipley return the touchdown last year was a huge momentum shift. Not gonna happen this year.

+ Demarco Murray was not up to speed in the Uterus game last year. Hopefully he will be this year.

+ Our defense will stifle Colt's Heisman hopes.

42-13 OU

[snrfan65]

Where in the blue hell did you come from? By the way.. I think it's pretty sorry to call your friends/co-workers/acquiantances after a game and rub it in... a good cigar, great food and enjoying the evening is reward enough. No need to rub it in... especially when the emotions are still running high.

Honestly Lid, it's all in good fun...Yes, they rub it in a bit, but they don't taunt me ;) And them being excited for a RRR victory didn't bother me at all, because I understand...Where we got a little at odds was at the end of the season over the "we deserve and you don't" thing...

Again, on some level, this is all supposed to be fun, right? :)

[TexasLidig8r]

I'd rather be a 22 year old pizza delivery boy than a no good cheating lawyer who beats up on elderly women who are falsely accused of not paying her bills. At least I could sleep at night. :texan:

NO NO NO...

I am the no good cheating lawyer who represents (at a hefty hourly rate) the COMPANY that is accused of beating up elderly women who are falsely accused of not paying her bills...

Geez... get your facts right! :D

[TexasLidig8r]

Lid provides no balance to this board. The idea that a whorn fan comes onto the board and starts talking smack about OU or the fans on this borad is not balance. It is stupidity. There is a difference between a rival fan coming on here and showing respect and contributing to a conver sation and one that makes fun of the board members. :rolleyes:

Actually.. for the most part, I only talk smack to individuals on this board when they attack me first. And I have to be careful about not crossing a line because I am given far less latitude on here than ou fans. Otherwise, I am very respectful of posters unless they start something with me.

Also, I have said a number of times I respect your program. I don't drop to my knees and give oral pleasure to stoops like everyone on this site does... and I will point out contrary pesky facts that "OU homers" don't like reading (such as.. the loss of 4 starting linemen for you is going to be large hurdle to overcome as is he loss of your 2 starting wide receivers... to which the usual response is... "Woooo hooo.... boomer baby.. we gots Sammy.") I regard you as our one true rival and have supported my university since before many of you were born.

[snrfan65]

...I will point out contrary pesky facts that "OU homers" don't like reading (such as.. the loss of 4 starting linemen for you is going to be large hurdle to overcome as is he loss of your 2 starting wide receivers... to which the usual response is... "Woooo hooo.... boomer baby.. we gots Sammy.") I regard you as our one true rival and have supported my university since before many of you were born.

I'm a normally a perpetual worrier about such things (ask any of my Sooner friends who get tired of my pessimism). However, call me crazy, but I'm not worried about the Oline situation.

Bottom line, every team loses something to graduation/draft every year. That's just college football. Part of what makes it exciting is new stars emerge who have been waiting in the wings (i.e. Travis Lewis, Dominique Franks, etc).

I see this year's Oline "rebuilding" MUCH differently than in '00 and '05. First, there is a talent difference. There is a also a difference in experience. Perhaps not "starting" experience, but experience.

Remember this: We won a National Championship after starting the year with as many new Oline starters as this season. We had a new center, a JUCO transfer, etc. And it worked.

Now, I also don't see the gloom and doom for UT's Dline like other Sooner fans do. I am NEVER going to believe UT doesn't have plenty of talent to play at a high level. We have lost to teams with far less talent at DT than UT will have this year, no matter how much they lost to graduation.

I am going to take direct issue with one thing you said: Don't think for a second that having Sam doesn't make a difference. If we are going to go through some "growing pains" with the Oline, man, I'm glad we have Sam and Gresham and Chris Brown and Murray and Brody Eldridge and Matt Clapp to pick up some slack and make adjustments to the gameplan.

[SoonerKnight]

Actually.. for the most part, I only talk smack to individuals on this board when they attack me first. And I have to be careful about not crossing a line because I am given far less latitude on here than ou fans. Otherwise, I am very respectful of posters unless they start something with me.

Also, I have said a number of times I respect your program. I don't drop to my knees and give oral pleasure to stoops like everyone on this site does... and I will point out contrary pesky facts that "OU homers" don't like reading (such as.. the loss of 4 starting linemen for you is going to be large hurdle to overcome as is he loss of your 2 starting wide receivers... to which the usual response is... "Woooo hooo.... boomer baby.. we gots Sammy.") I regard you as our one true rival and have supported my university since before many of you were born.

The fact is if I went to hornfans and said the same thing you have said here I would have been banned. I know because I was. After 2 posts I was banned and it was nothing special either. Of course I loved that Sam Bradford is gonna suck thread!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[Desert Sapper]

1. Robinson's pick was a pick. Caught on the run, controlled for two steps, knee hit. Maybe a fumble, but definitely a pick.

2. Lid brings balance to the soonerfans forum like Darth Vader brings balance to the force.

3. The O-Line will be fine.

4. We will kick their asses because they are due an asswhuppin.

That is all.

[beer4me]

1. Robinson's pick was a pick. Caught on the run, controlled for two steps, knee hit. Maybe a fumble, but definitely a pick.

2. Lid brings balance to the soonerfans forum like Darth Vader brings balance to the force.

3. The O-Line will be fine.

4. We will kick their asses because they are due an asswhuppin.

That is all.

Like the username I have a son that is a desert sapper..

[snrfan65]

1. Robinson's pick was a pick. Caught on the run, controlled for two steps, knee hit. Maybe a fumble, but definitely a pick.


This.

It's just another example of "the call could go either way", and of course, it went to the benefit of the horns. The field official could have just as easily called it an interception. Had the UT staff challenged, the officials could watch the replay and see what Desert Sapper is talking about.

Could the "incompletion" call be justified? Yes. But an interception could have been justified as well. I think the thing that gets to most of us is that this call, and others, went to the benefit of UT.

And UT fans are in denial if they think they didn't benefit from the completely bogus roughing penalties. Those were an absolute killer at the time the calls were made.

And no, it's NOT the same as the roughing the kicker call. You are NOT allowed to even touch the kickers foot or leg. You ARE allowed to touch a player out of bounds, you just can't "rough" him. Lewis did not commit roughing either time, and that was very apparent both when it allegedly occurred, and from the replay. You will never convince me otherwise.

My UT friends hit me over and over again last season with "we beat you on a neutral field". My response is that, as long as the league provides these biased officiating crews for the game, it will NEVER be neutral.

[gaylordfan1]

Just noticed B. Crow is working with the FBs, so UT fans will not like to hear that (ie. they needed to see him at LB to win)

[TexasLidig8r]

This.

It's just another example of "the call could go either way", and of course, it went to the benefit of the horns. The field official could have just as easily called it an interception. Had the UT staff challenged, the officials could watch the replay and see what Desert Sapper is talking about.

Could the "incompletion" call be justified? Yes. But an interception could have been justified as well. I think the thing that gets to most of us is that this call, and others, went to the benefit of UT.

And UT fans are in denial if they think they didn't benefit from the completely bogus roughing penalties. Those were an absolute killer at the time the calls were made.

And no, it's NOT the same as the roughing the kicker call. You are NOT allowed to even touch the kickers foot or leg. You ARE allowed to touch a player out of bounds, you just can't "rough" him. Lewis did not commit roughing either time, and that was very apparent both when it allegedly occurred, and from the replay. You will never convince me otherwise.

My UT friends hit me over and over again last season with "we beat you on a neutral field". My response is that, as long as the league provides these biased officiating crews for the game, it will NEVER be neutral.

:rolleyes:

Want some cheese with that whine?

[theresonly1OU]

:rolleyes:

Want some cheese with that whine?

So, let's see if I got this right:

Bit***ing like a pu**y at the "lucky" Crabtree catch that "robbed" UT of a NC shot = rational

Bi***ing about calls in the RRR that could have changed the course of the game = irrational


Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

[snrfan65]

:rolleyes:

Want some cheese with that whine?

Whatever man...

Believe me, that's the response I get from all UT fans. That's the easiest response in fact, so I get it. I really do.

But what's funny is that I don't do the same thing back in regard to the tie-breaker. I KNOW OU got a bit lucky. No doubt. There were two other teams with an argument, and we came out on top. I KNOW it's unfair to two teams (UT would argue on only one team was sc&%wed).

But when you are discussing the difference in the game with two evenly-matched teams, you discuss all the factors. And whether you like it or not, the calls were a bit of a factor.

And you're not alone Lid. Many OU fans have told me to STFU about the calls. Their attitude is that OU should be so dominating, that we overcome the calls.

Problem is, UT is a great football team. You can't always "overcome".

[BoulderSooner79]

Yes, OU got lucky on the conference tie-breaker. But it was not unfair to the other teams. I would have had no problem had UT or TT gotten the nod - would have been the luck (or bad luck) of the draw. There was no "fair" or "unfair" about it - just the breaks. If they would have rolled a dice to decide, it would have spared us a bunch of politicking (but I guess that was the entertaining part).

[snrfan65]

Yes, OU got lucky on the conference tie-breaker. But it was not unfair to the other teams. I would have had no problem had UT or TT gotten the nod - would have been the luck (or bad luck) of the draw. There was no "fair" or "unfair" about it - just the breaks. If they would have rolled a dice to decide, it would have spared us a bunch of politicking (but I guess that was the entertaining part).

True. I suppose it's more "bad luck" than unfair. It was certainly "bad luck" but not unfair that we had to play Texas in the 2nd half without Reynolds, but it still sucked for us.

What I meant was, you had two other teams that had also won big games, had been very stellar and competitive, yet had lost a big game. So bad luck that they put up a year like that, but lost in a tiebreaker.

But in that it followed the conference rules, it was COMPLETELY fair that UT got left out. The rule was applied exactly as written. And FYI, had OU beaten UT, UT beaten Tech, but Tech winning the later game against OU to get a higher BCS rating, I don't think any of the horns would be screaming "unfair" for an OU team that won the RRR.

I think it's strictly the results of the rules application, and not the rule itself, that makes horn fans angry, and of course, that doesn't carry water.

Why wasn't Mack arguing against the tiebreaker when he came into the league 10 or 11 years ago? At least us Sooner fans have been complaining about the officiating in the RRR for years ;)

[Jello Biafra]

:rolleyes:

Want some cheese with that whine?

you are a true pillow biter. i bet you can put your ankles behind your ears too.

[TexasLidig8r]

True. I suppose it's more "bad luck" than unfair. It was certainly "bad luck" but not unfair that we had to play Texas in the 2nd half without Reynolds, but it still sucked for us.

It wasn't bad luck that from the 13 minute mark left in the third quarter, you only scored 7 more points the rest of the game. In the last 40 minutes of the game, Sammy had 2 touchdowns.. but 2 interceptions as well.

What I meant was, you had two other teams that had also won big games, had been very stellar and competitive, yet had lost a big game. So bad luck that they put up a year like that, but lost in a tiebreaker.

Agreed

But in that it followed the conference rules, it was COMPLETELY fair that UT got left out. The rule was applied exactly as written. And FYI, had OU beaten UT, UT beaten Tech, but Tech winning the later game against OU to get a higher BCS rating, I don't think any of the horns would be screaming "unfair" for an OU team that won the RRR.

Agreed. I don't like but I'm not going to sit around and whine about it.

I think it's strictly the results of the rules application, and not the rule itself, that makes horn fans angry, and of course, that doesn't carry water.

Agreed. Although I believe there is a much better way to determine 3 way tie breakers.

Why wasn't Mack arguing against the tiebreaker when he came into the league 10 or 11 years ago?

Agreed

At least us Sooner fans have been complaining about the officiating in the RRR for years ;)

With as much crap as ou fans, particularly on this website give other fan bases about complaining, whining, making excuses, you should rise above it. Last October, the better team on the field won that day. Whining about the officials does not explain why the right side of the UT offensive line knocked back the left side of OU's defensive line 3 yards into the end zone on 2 of UT's short touchdown runs... or how Greg Davis outcoached Brent Venables.

[Jello Biafra]

With as much crap as ou fans, particularly on this website give other fan bases about complaining, whining, making excuses, you should rise above it. Last October, the better team on the field won that day. Whining about the officials does not explain why the right side of the UT offensive line knocked back the left side of OU's defensive line 3 yards into the end zone on 2 of UT's short touchdown runs... or how Greg Davis outcoached Brent Venables.


what a doosh....

so, let me get this straight...you think that the biggest problems of our defense was the two goalline stands we gave up inside the 5 but the tight end hitting our starting mlbs knees and him leaving the game didnt have anything to do with us losing.
and you think colt just falling on the ground was lewis knocking the **** out of him when he was clearly holding him up...
but you WONT let us discount the 30 yards in penalties that allowed you to keep the drive going to put you ahead of us...or the dropped interception that allowed you guys to kick the FG instead of the turnover....

let me guess, i bet you also think bradford threw 2 ints in that game dont you?

[adoniijahsooner]

With as much crap as ou fans, particularly on this website give other fan bases about complaining, whining, making excuses, you should rise above it. Last October, the better team on the field won that day. Whining about the officials does not explain why the right side of the UT offensive line knocked back the left side of OU's defensive line 3 yards into the end zone on 2 of UT's short touchdown runs... or how Greg Davis outcoached Brent Venables.

True. It is time to look to the future.

[TexasLidig8r]

what a doosh....

Go home and get your shine box.

so, let me get this straight...you think that the biggest problems of our defense was the two goalline stands we gave up inside the 5

Your biggest problem was that your defensive line got worn down throughout the game, your defensive coordinator got out-coached by Greg Davis.. Venables did not make in game adjustments to counter Texas' 4 wide receiver spread offense... Davis saw a weakness and attacked it mercilessly... Neither Venables, nor Stoops had an answer... and Chris O. had more yards on one carry... than all of the OU running backs had the entire game.

but the tight end hitting our starting mlbs knees and him leaving the game didnt have anything to do with us losing.

You seem to be the only one who saw this since your fanbase would still be whining about this if the hit was intentionally dirty.

and you think colt just falling on the ground was lewis knocking the **** out of him when he was clearly holding him up...

Those calls... particularly the second one was questionable at best.

but you WONT let us discount the 30 yards in penalties that allowed you to keep the drive going to put you ahead of us...or the dropped interception that allowed you guys to kick the FG instead of the turnover....

As stated in this thread and others, even stoops didn't question that. If he had.. he could have thrown the challenge flag.. he chose not to. Even after the game he didn't question the call. But.. we all know that you know best.

let me guess, i bet you also think bradford threw 2 ints in that game dont you?

The statistics show that Bradford threw 2 ints in the game. In fact, as pointed out before, in the last 40 minutes of the game, Bradford had 2 tds.. and 2 ints.

[footballfanatic]

We owned them for 3 quarters and in the 4th the breaks went their way. This year that won't happen. It will be welcome back 2000 and 2003.

if you owned us for three quarters, we would not have been close enough to stage a fourth quarter win.

[gaylordfan1]

Guys Guys, lets be gentlemen about this..... If you don't like what we (SOONER FANS) have to say, just don't log in!

[gaylordfan1]

WOW, I love this stuff..... Oct 17, cant freaking wait!

[Jello Biafra]

The statistics show that Bradford threw 2 ints in the game. In fact, as pointed out before, in the last 40 minutes of the game, Bradford had 2 tds.. and 2 ints.

yeh but he threw it in the last few seconds...hail mary type. i don't consider that an int.

[TexasLidig8r]

yeh but he threw it in the last few seconds...hail mary type. i don't consider that an int.

Unfortunate for you the civilized world does.

[snrfan65]

Unfortunate for you the civilized world does.

What gave you the idea we were civilized Lid ;)

[illinisooner]

Unfortunate for you the civilized world does.

I believe what he's trying to say is that he rates that stat the same way as you would garbage time passing stats (See: Harrell, Graham, OU vs. Texas Tech this past season), in that yes, it counts as a stat, but you rate it differently.

[delhalew]

We did not get lucky(other than UT losing to tech). We don't limit our NonCon to cheeseballs. The BCS chose the better team...BOOMER.

[OUAlumni1990]

We did not get lucky(other than UT losing to tech). We don't limit our NonCon to cheeseballs. The BCS chose the better team...BOOMER.

word brotha..

[BoulderSooner79]

All I mean by "lucky" is that when we lost to UT, we put the decision in someone elses hands. UT and TT did as well. Bitchin' about it is just pissin' in the wind.

[Soonerus]

BEAT DOWN !!!!!

[delhalew]

All I mean by "lucky" is that when we lost to UT, we put the decision in someone elses hands. UT and TT did as well. Bitchin' about it is just pissin' in the wind.

Yeah, i get ya'. I just won't tolerate others saying we got lucky. I have heard just about enough of that. As I said, we set ourselves up for success even when we hit a bump in the road, our schedule goes a long way. You can't get a whorn to understand that. Theys a little ssloooww.

[BosworthXXXL]

We're gonna smoke um

no doubt about it

[Soonerus]

Unfortunate for you the civilized world does.

That's not true...interception with an ***

[Jacie]

When it comes to whining, the sa*et fanbase thought to turn it into an art form . . . (Airplane with banner) . . . on the way to becoming a national laughing stock.

Of course, they take their cue from the head coach (Halftime phonecall).

sa*et fans = crybabies

[Desert Sapper]

The statistics show that Bradford threw 2 ints in the game. In fact, as pointed out before, in the last 40 minutes of the game, Bradford had 2 tds.. and 2 ints.


The statistics also show that Bradford threw 100+ more yards and 4 more TDs than McCoy in the game.

[Crucifax Autumn]

They also show that Sam won the Big XII and the Heisman...neither of which ponyboy has ever done.

[IronHorseSooner]

With as much as I respect Pony Boy, he has not accomplished anything while at UTerus. He has not even won a South Division Title, been First Team All Conference, or yet won a Heisman. Sam has done all of these. If he wins it all this year, he might go down as one of the five best QBs to play the College Game. He would have won the Conference every year he was there. Not even Tebow can say that!

[OUmillenium]

Lid, the coaches once again approved the same 3 way tie breaker. If UT would play a stronger NonCon schedule, they would benefit from the current system in place that seeks to get a conference team in the BCS title game.

[Collier11]

The easiest damn concept to understand yet LID and other ut fans fail to realize this, it is on your AD and Coach and no one else

[snrfan65]

At least Sooner fans try to breakdown and understand WHY we may have lost to UT, whether some of it comes off as excuses or whining or whatever. But at least there is some discussion, and understanding that we DID in fact lose the game.

UT fans seemingly flat out deny that they lost to Tech.The prevailing thought process is that Tech is "just Tech" and the loss was some fluke that should have been ignored. I've heard everything from "Tech doesn't matter" to, "Well, we only lost in the last second".

No, Tech DID matter last season, getting as high as #2 in the polls, and were undefeated coming into the OU game. And UT did not simply "just" lose in the last second. Credit them for making a comeback in the 4th quarter, but they were getting their a$$es handed to them much of the game.

Somehow, UT didn't really lose at Tech, yet a win over OU with some questionable calls and a key injury was a dominating azz whoopin'.

Whatever.

And the biggest issue I have lately with UT fans is WHAT do they propose as a rule to settle a tie breaker?? I ask that question, and never get an answer. Should the winner of the RRR go to the championship game every year? Try selling that to the other schools in the South division.

Basically, the answer they want to hear is "It should be Texas every time, given a tie". Unbelievable. Granted, they say it in a different, round about way, as in "The better team should go, and that's Texas", but same thing.

I'll say this: Minus a key injury again, I like our chances this year, even if we draw one of the Texas-based officiating crews. I think UT lost more key players than it's fans want to admit, and we retain alot more key players than the UT fans and the media realize.

[OUAlumni1990]

I watched the TECH vs short horns game and to me it looked like Tech dominated for most of the game, then Colt McCoy came up with some lucky hail mary's to get UT back in it. They thought they would just cruise to victory, then Crabtree and Harroll had something else to say about that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKjlqayLMA


I love the look on Colts face---> :O

[Collier11]

you know what he is thinking right then...

"ah ****, I guess we shouldnt have played florida bible college, rice, mexico state, and idaho community college"

[delhalew]

I'm beginning to wonder if there is One single whorn that gets that concept. Of course, I hope they keep it up from here to eternity.

[CrimsonJim]

I'm beginning to wonder if there is One single whorn that gets that concept. Of course, I hope they keep it up from here to eternity.

No sir, there's not. ^^^

[TexasLidig8r]

At least Sooner fans try to breakdown and understand WHY we may have lost to UT, whether some of it comes off as excuses or whining or whatever. But at least there is some discussion, and understanding that we DID in fact lose the game.

In terms of the Texas game, to this day it is still whining about how Reynolds was hurt and whining about the refs. There is no discussion about why the OU defensive line wore down in the 4th... or why OU only scored one touchdown from the 13 minute mark of the 3rd quarter till the end of the game... or why the ou running attack only had 48 yards in the entire game or why Venables could not make an in game adjustment to UT's 4 wide receiver set we ran.. or even more horrible... the fact that Ou simply got beat by a better team that day.

UT fans seemingly flat out deny that they lost to Tech.The prevailing thought process is that Tech is "just Tech" and the loss was some fluke that should have been ignored. I've heard everything from "Tech doesn't matter" to, "Well, we only lost in the last second".

Don't know who you're talking to there.

No, Tech DID matter last season, getting as high as #2 in the polls, and were undefeated coming into the OU game. And UT did not simply "just" lose in the last second. Credit them for making a comeback in the 4th quarter, but they were getting their a$$es handed to them much of the game.

Agreed we did not play well particularly in the first half. You also cannot deny that Tech at home is a very different team than on the road. Hell, the last time OU won in Lubbock was during the first Bush administration.

Somehow, UT didn't really lose at Tech, yet a win over OU with some questionable calls and a key injury was a dominating azz whoopin'.

Whatever.

And the biggest issue I have lately with UT fans is WHAT do they propose as a rule to settle a tie breaker?? I ask that question, and never get an answer. Should the winner of the RRR go to the championship game every year? Try selling that to the other schools in the South division.

Quite simple. Either leave as is or do what the SEC does in the event of a 3 way tie... eliminate the lowest ranked team in the BCS polls, and then base the tiebreaker on head to head. The first tiebreaker is designed to give the highest ranked BCS team the best chance at playing for the MNC. The second tiebreaker is designed to give the best of the 3 teams the chance to play for the conference championship.

Basically, the answer they want to hear is "It should be Texas every time, given a tie". Unbelievable. Granted, they say it in a different, round about way, as in "The better team should go, and that's Texas", but same thing.

Again, you must not know many UT fans because the numerous acquiantances, business associates and friends who are UT alums that I know pretty much agree with the scenarios set forth above.

I'll say this: Minus a key injury again, I like our chances this year, even if we draw one of the Texas-based officiating crews. I think UT lost more key players than it's fans want to admit, and we retain alot more key players than the UT fans and the media realize.

We will certainly miss the 3 on the defensive line and Quan.

Nonetheless, if you are a knowledgeable and objective college football fan, you have to be very, very concerned about your losses on the offensive line and your 2 starting WRs. You only read those who drink the kool-aide on here about the OL (Oh, they had experience as substitutes last year... they are faster and will be better than the overrated OL last year.. they were high school 5 stars)... and I've yet to read a post addressing how the OL needs to play collectively as a unit to excel,... that that has not happened and Sam may not have the time this year to go through his progressions and reads.. that he had last year.

Oh.. and just so there is no misunderstanding... I think Sam Bradford is an excellent representative for your university... is a class guy, a great athlete.

[Collier11]

Communist ^

[CK Sooner]

We will certainly miss the 3 on the defensive line and Quan.

Nonetheless, if you are a knowledgeable and objective college football fan, you have to be very, very concerned about your losses on the offensive line and your 2 starting WRs. You only read those who drink the kool-aide on here about the OL (Oh, they had experience as substitutes last year... they are faster and will be better than the overrated OL last year.. they were high school 5 stars)... and I've yet to read a post addressing how the OL needs to play collectively as a unit to excel,... that that has not happened and Sam may not have the time this year to go through his progressions and reads.. that he had last year.

Oh.. and just so there is no misunderstanding... I think Sam Bradford is an excellent representative for your university... is a class guy, a great athlete.

I got a question for you.

Everyone seems to think that your defensive line will be **** this year. I have heard that you have no backups for that position and are moving defensive ends over to add depth, is this true? What is your opinion on it?

[CK Sooner]

I found this.



AUSTIN — Because of graduations, injuries and attrition since last season, Texas opened fall drills Sunday with only six players in the rotation at defensive tackle.

Three of the six have yet to take a snap in a college game. The lone returning starter is Lamarr Houston, who moved from end to tackle last season because of a shortage at the position.

Will Muschamp, the defensive coordinator, said Sunday he has no plans to shift another end to tackle. But that could change as camp evolves. Muschamp also envisions using more 3-4 alignments, which require only one tackle, to supplement the team’s base 4-3 defense.

"Six is plenty to play with," Muschamp said of the tackle rotation, where depth has been thinned by the loss of two players (Jarvis Humphrey and Michael Wilcoxon) to career-ending medical issues since the close of spring drills. "We’ll adapt and adjust  … to get the best scheme and the best 11 on the field. If it means moving somebody, we will. But it’s not something we feel like we have to do right now."

[snrfan65]

We will certainly miss the 3 on the defensive line and Quan.

Nonetheless, if you are a knowledgeable and objective college football fan, you have to be very, very concerned about your losses on the offensive line and your 2 starting WRs. You only read those who drink the kool-aide on here about the OL (Oh, they had experience as substitutes last year... they are faster and will be better than the overrated OL last year.. they were high school 5 stars)... and I've yet to read a post addressing how the OL needs to play collectively as a unit to excel,... that that has not happened and Sam may not have the time this year to go through his progressions and reads.. that he had last year.

Oh.. and just so there is no misunderstanding... I think Sam Bradford is an excellent representative for your university... is a class guy, a great athlete.

Lid, first of all, I appreciate your (mostly) objective attitude (not being sarcastic). I know your opinion leans toward the horns, as it should, but it's reasonable.

However, if you've been reading the posts here, you would know there IS concern among OU fans with the offensive line. Absolutely. No one is ignoring that we have a question mark there. I do think OU will be fine at WR. I also think Texas will be fine at WR.

Also, there is no question most OU fans feel we WERE outcoached in the RRR last year. Absolutely. Whether it was the UT offensive schemes and no adjustments, or not having a back up LB prepared, it was on the coaching.

All that said, I think you will miss Orakpo and your Dtackles from last season more than you will admit. I also think our starting MLB going down benefitted UT more than you want to admit, and I think you got the benefit of the calls MUCH more than you will admit on here.

Like I said in a prior post, no one is saying UT is bad or that we will kill them. Colt is a great quarterback. A fantastic quarterback. He's one of those guys who you want running things when you're down by 4 with 2 minutes to go.

But I'll say it again: I like our chances. I like the flat-our arrogance I'm hearing from horn fans and the Texas media and even Mack and the UT players. And I love the depth and experience on defense that we are bringing into the game that was NOT there last season.

One more thing: The rule you suggest for the tie breaker is not better, or worse, than the current rule. It's just different. I think the big appeal to horn fans is that the application of that rule would have benefitted Texas last season. Period.

What would the horns do if the rule was changed, based on their whining and campaigning and banner flying, only to have it bite the horns in the azz after the next tie breaker? Are you seriously saying that if the proposed rule change benefitted OU down the road instead of UT, you would still like it better?

[Collier11]

Also, there is no question most OU fans feel we WERE outcoached in the RRR last year. Absolutely. Whether it was the UT offensive schemes and no adjustments, or not having a back up LB prepared, it was on the coaching.

^ This

All that said, I think you will miss Orakpo and your Dtackles from last season more than you will admit. I also think our starting MLB going down benefitted UT more than you want to admit, and I think you got the benefit of the calls MUCH more than you will admit on here.

and This ^

Like I said in a prior post, no one is saying UT is bad or that we will kill them.

I am! :D




Lid, if the rule is sooooo bad then how come when Big 12 players( from every team in the league) were polled at media day, 60% or something like that said OU was the better team at the end of the year. It seems the media, the BCS, the tie breaker, and the players who played thought OU was the better team. Head to head does not matter in a 3 way tie...oh wait, weve said that a trillion times

[TexasLidig8r]

Lid, if the rule is sooooo bad then how come when Big 12 players( from every team in the league) were polled at media day, 60% or something like that said OU was the better team at the end of the year. It seems the media, the BCS, the tie breaker, and the players who played thought OU was the better team. Head to head does not matter in a 3 way tie...oh wait, weve said that a trillion times

Actually... I believe on the determining polls, the Harris poll, the human component of the BCS had moved Texas ahead of OU. It was the computers that allowed OU to slide into the Big XII championship game.

[TexasLidig8r]

I got a question for you.

Everyone seems to think that your defensive line will be **** this year. I have heard that you have no backups for that position and are moving defensive ends over to add depth, is this true? What is your opinion on it?

Am concerned about the defensive line.

Sergio Kindle has moved down to defensive end full time this year. He played both DE and outside linebacker last year.

Depth on defensive tackle is precarious. DE depth is pretty good.

You are going to see Texas spin down to a 3 - 4 much more often this year as well as playing a base 4 - 2 - 5 against some Big XII teams.

If the defensive line does not step up this year, we're looking at losses to OU and maybe Okie Lite.

[Collier11]

Actually... I believe on the determining polls, the Harris poll, the human component of the BCS had moved Texas ahead of OU. It was the computers that allowed OU to slide into the Big XII championship game.

I thought it was only one of the human polls?

[tigepilot]

Actually... I believe on the determining polls, the Harris poll, the human component of the BCS had moved Texas ahead of OU. It was the computers that allowed OU to slide into the Big XII championship game.

Yup, the component of the BCS that is effected by campaigning, aka bitching and whining, eventually went the way of Texas... just slightly. The component of the BCS that only takes 'on the field results' went the way of OU... a little more than slightly.


Am concerned about the defensive line.

Sergio Kindle has moved down to defensive end full time this year. He played both DE and outside linebacker last year.

Depth on defensive tackle is precarious. DE depth is pretty good.

You are going to see Texas spin down to a 3 - 4 much more often this year as well as playing a base 4 - 2 - 5 against some Big XII teams.

If the defensive line does not step up this year, we're looking at losses to OU and maybe Okie Lite.

Finally, an intelligent post by a whoren. Didn't think that was possible.

[Crucifax Autumn]

I predict that at least 2 teams will play OU closer than texass this season.

[Speer]

Actually... I believe on the determining polls, the Harris poll, the human component of the BCS had moved Texas ahead of OU. It was the computers that allowed OU to slide into the Big XII championship game.

The Harris and AP (I know AP is not part of the BCS) slid Texas past OU in the Nov 30 polls last year after OU beat OSU and UT was idle. Homerism aside, even you should agree this is ridiculous for any poll voter....computer or human.

Say what you will about the computers, the human polls are just as bad if not worse. The recent human polls are full of examples of favoritism, ignorance and downright apathy. Of course, the computer polls are really just human polls of another color.

[Collier11]

Exactly, how could that even happen if they were being fair? OU beat a Top 10 team on the road by 20 pts and texas didnt even play yet passed us, Macks whining does work and it is getting old

[BoulderSooner79]

The Harris and AP (I know AP is not part of the BCS) slid Texas past OU in the Nov 30 polls last year after OU beat OSU and UT was idle. Homerism aside, even you should agree this is ridiculous for any poll voter....computer or human.

Say what you will about the computers, the human polls are just as bad if not worse. The recent human polls are full of examples of favoritism, ignorance and downright apathy. Of course, the computer polls are really just human polls of another color.

This is exactly why I say OU was fortunate to get the nod (don't want to rile others by saying "lucky"). Once you lose, you give up control of the situation and leave it in the hands of voters. OU, UT & TT all did that. The human voters have 2/3 of the say and can vote based on any personal whim - they could have decided on who has the hawtest cheerleaders. The computers use algorithms derived by humans, but they cannot be altered during the season, so there is no whim factor.

[TexasLidig8r]

Exactly, how could that even happen if they were being fair? OU beat a Top 10 team on the road by 20 pts and texas didnt even play yet passed us, Macks whining does work and it is getting old

No.. this article sums up undoubtedly what some of the media and those on the outside (i.e., not Texas nor OU fans or alums) thought as the season wound down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124

I know it's inherent on here particularly to revile ESPN when they say the least detrimental thing about your program and laud them when they give you accolades... but, interesting stats and analysis in this article.

So.. no, not Mack "politicking" at all.

[Collier11]

except for his main point is that uts win against OU trumps all other victories by OU and losses by UT which as we saw was complete BS

[Speer]

No.. this article sums up undoubtedly what some of the media and those on the outside (i.e., not Texas nor OU fans or alums) thought as the season wound down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124

I know it's inherent on here particularly to revile ESPN when they say the least detrimental thing about your program and laud them when they give you accolades... but, interesting stats and analysis in this article.

So.. no, not Mack "politicking" at all.

It's not inherent to revile ESPN reporters or any other reporter (except that Kirk Bohls is a tool....) It's simply one man's opinion and a PERFECT example of all that is wrong with human voters.

I'd bet a paycheck that had OU lost to OSU, every human poll and most computer polls would have ranked UT ahead of TTU. TTU goes to the B12 game and you'd still be here whining about the B12 tiebreaker.

[TexasLidig8r]

It's not inherent to revile ESPN reporters or any other reporter (except that Kirk Bohls is a tool....) It's simply one man's opinion and a PERFECT example of all that is wrong with human voters.

Agreed Kirk Bohls is a tool.

I'd bet a paycheck that had OU lost to OSU, every human poll and most computer polls would have ranked UT ahead of TTU. TTU goes to the B12 game and you'd still be here whining about the B12 tiebreaker.

Ironically, TTu goes to the Big XII title game, remains behind UT and Texas plays for the national championship.

oh.. and I haven't once whined about the Big XII tiebreaker. Go back and read my thoughts on it in this thread. Stop doing the "texags groupthink."

[Speer]

Ironically, TTu goes to the Big XII title game, remains behind UT and Texas plays for the national championship.

oh.. and I haven't once whined about the Big XII tiebreaker. Go back and read my thoughts on it in this thread. Stop doing the "texags groupthink."

You stir the pot on here way too much to not come across as a whiner about the tiebreaker. Ironically, I REALLY doubt you'd have a problem with the polls sending UT to the NCG even though UT lost head to head against TTU.

'texags groupthink'?....is that the UT equivalent of 'yer momma'?

Oh....speaking of groupthink, the Burnt Orange Moron Brigade here in Houston can hang with any cult.

[JLEW1818]

Ironically, TTu goes to the Big XII title game, remains behind UT and Texas plays for the national championship.

oh.. and I haven't once whined about the Big XII tiebreaker. Go back and read my thoughts on it in this thread. Stop doing the "texags groupthink."


maybe, not that it matters anymore

but then there would have been a 2 way tie between texas and tech.... does texas really deserve to go to the national title, over a team with the same record, who they lost too??? In a 2 way tie, not a 3 way, then you can look at head to head.

[mojo89]

First time on this board and got to reading this post so I start by saying the following:

I was fortunate enough to play in this football game. I was on the bench for two years and then was a contributor for 2 years. When I played the stakes were much smaller as neither program was consistently on the MNC stage that they are at this time. I still remember the tunnell and the excitement of taking the field for this game like it was yesterday eventhough it has been almost 16 years since I played in that game.

So a couple of comments;
Interception- Personally I think it was an interception. However, I'm sure I'll get blasted but I think Texas actually got screwed on the play. To me the interception discussion is moot, what about the defensive holding that was missed? If you go back and watch the play, 3rd and 2, Texas came in with a power set ( a set that had not been used that season) and OU crowded the line, Colt faked a hand off and the TE is was splipping past the safety or LB (in fact I think it was the same player who intercepted the pass), and he clearly grabbed the UT TE, in fact the referee reached to grab the flag then stopped. Now I will be the first to admit that holding/interfernce calls are very subjective but imop it should have been 1 and 10 Texas.

Personal Foul Call against Colt- Horrible calls. Neither should have been called but I also felt the call on Melton against Bradford was a BS call as well. The call agains the OU punter was imop the worst call of the game.

Overall- It was a great game. Imop OU got out coached that game. Texas had a better game plan with inferior talent. OU's special teams were horrendus and for the first time in a long time UT was both mentally and physically tougher in the 4th quarter. I do think if those two teams played 10times OU would probably had won 6 or 7 of those games but on that day Texas did outplay OU.

This years game. I can't remember a more anticipated game in the series. I'm sure there have been a few but given what occurred last year and the fact that the winner will have a good shot for the BCS Championship game I cannot wait.

As of now, I think it is too hard to predict. So many unknowns:
OU- Can the OL gel, how will the new WR's develop, can the corners be left alone, How will the middle lb play, will the special teams improve?

Texas- Where will the pass rush come from, can we stop the run, how with the young secondary improve over a year, Can we replace Quan, Will we have a reliable RB

Here is what I do know. I would not trade Colt for any QB in the nation, nor do I think OU would trade Bradford. They both are perfect for the offenses that each team runs. I also think they are two of the finest young men that have ever come out of either school.

I do feel that Texas fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the front 7 of OU. If healthy this could be one of the best DL's ever at OU. I also think that fans are counting too much on the OL not being able to protect Bradford. To me the real test will be if the WR's can make big plays.

I do feel that OU fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the back 7 at Texas. We were bad against the pass last year but we did play 3 freshman and a sophmore. We also were without our best DB for most of last year. If history proves itself, Muschamps defenses have made the most strides in their second year. This is also the first time that any of the current players will have had the same DC for two years in a row.

I'll go ahead and predict a great game with the final score being:
Texas 27 OU 24

Flame Away

[Collier11]

Stupid Horn ;)

[TexasLidig8r]

First time on this board and got to reading this post so I start by saying the following:

I was fortunate enough to play in this football game. I was on the bench for two years and then was a contributor for 2 years. When I played the stakes were much smaller as neither program was consistently on the MNC stage that they are at this time. I still remember the tunnell and the excitement of taking the field for this game like it was yesterday eventhough it has been almost 16 years since I played in that game.

So a couple of comments;
Interception- Personally I think it was an interception. However, I'm sure I'll get blasted but I think Texas actually got screwed on the play. To me the interception discussion is moot, what about the defensive holding that was missed? If you go back and watch the play, 3rd and 2, Texas came in with a power set ( a set that had not been used that season) and OU crowded the line, Colt faked a hand off and the TE is was splipping past the safety or LB (in fact I think it was the same player who intercepted the pass), and he clearly grabbed the UT TE, in fact the referee reached to grab the flag then stopped. Now I will be the first to admit that holding/interfernce calls are very subjective but imop it should have been 1 and 10 Texas.

Personal Foul Call against Colt- Horrible calls. Neither should have been called but I also felt the call on Melton against Bradford was a BS call as well. The call agains the OU punter was imop the worst call of the game.

Overall- It was a great game. Imop OU got out coached that game. Texas had a better game plan with inferior talent. OU's special teams were horrendus and for the first time in a long time UT was both mentally and physically tougher in the 4th quarter. I do think if those two teams played 10times OU would probably had won 6 or 7 of those games but on that day Texas did outplay OU.

This years game. I can't remember a more anticipated game in the series. I'm sure there have been a few but given what occurred last year and the fact that the winner will have a good shot for the BCS Championship game I cannot wait.

As of now, I think it is too hard to predict. So many unknowns:
OU- Can the OL gel, how will the new WR's develop, can the corners be left alone, How will the middle lb play, will the special teams improve?

Texas- Where will the pass rush come from, can we stop the run, how with the young secondary improve over a year, Can we replace Quan, Will we have a reliable RB

Here is what I do know. I would not trade Colt for any QB in the nation, nor do I think OU would trade Bradford. They both are perfect for the offenses that each team runs. I also think they are two of the finest young men that have ever come out of either school.

I do feel that Texas fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the front 7 of OU. If healthy this could be one of the best DL's ever at OU. I also think that fans are counting too much on the OL not being able to protect Bradford. To me the real test will be if the WR's can make big plays.

I do feel that OU fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the back 7 at Texas. We were bad against the pass last year but we did play 3 freshman and a sophmore. We also were without our best DB for most of last year. If history proves itself, Muschamps defenses have made the most strides in their second year. This is also the first time that any of the current players will have had the same DC for two years in a row.

I'll go ahead and predict a great game with the final score being:
Texas 27 OU 24

Flame Away

Holy Crap Mojo... Good first post!

[Jacie]

maybe, not that it matters anymore

but then there would have been a 2 way tie between texas and tech.... does texas really deserve to go to the national title, over a team with the same record, who they lost too??? In a 2 way tie, not a 3 way, then you can look at head to head.

The logic would then be that the loss was by only one point in an away game and as any odds maker will tell you, home field is worth 3 points, therefore sa*et actually won by 2 points.

[JLEW1818]

lol

some horns tried to bring up Penn St and Ohio State tie breaker too.. hahah

IT WAS A 2 WAY TIE, AND PENN ST BEAT OHIO STATE HEAD TO HEAD.

[TexasLidig8r]

lol

some horns tried to bring up Penn St and Ohio State tie breaker too.. hahah

IT WAS A 2 WAY TIE, AND PENN ST BEAT OHIO STATE HEAD TO HEAD.


WE'RE TEXAS BY GOD.

That means we can do whatever we want.

;)

[BoulderSooner79]

WE'RE TEXAS BY GOD.

That means we can do whatever we want.

;)

This is true, but anyone can make up a pagan god for their own purposes. :P

[CrimsonJim]

First time on this board and got to reading this post so I start by saying the following:

I was fortunate enough to play in this football game. I was on the bench for two years and then was a contributor for 2 years. When I played the stakes were much smaller as neither program was consistently on the MNC stage that they are at this time. I still remember the tunnell and the excitement of taking the field for this game like it was yesterday eventhough it has been almost 16 years since I played in that game.

So a couple of comments;
Interception- Personally I think it was an interception. However, I'm sure I'll get blasted but I think Texas actually got screwed on the play. To me the interception discussion is moot, what about the defensive holding that was missed? If you go back and watch the play, 3rd and 2, Texas came in with a power set ( a set that had not been used that season) and OU crowded the line, Colt faked a hand off and the TE is was splipping past the safety or LB (in fact I think it was the same player who intercepted the pass), and he clearly grabbed the UT TE, in fact the referee reached to grab the flag then stopped. Now I will be the first to admit that holding/interfernce calls are very subjective but imop it should have been 1 and 10 Texas.

Personal Foul Call against Colt- Horrible calls. Neither should have been called but I also felt the call on Melton against Bradford was a BS call as well. The call agains the OU punter was imop the worst call of the game.

Overall- It was a great game. Imop OU got out coached that game. Texas had a better game plan with inferior talent. OU's special teams were horrendus and for the first time in a long time UT was both mentally and physically tougher in the 4th quarter. I do think if those two teams played 10times OU would probably had won 6 or 7 of those games but on that day Texas did outplay OU.

This years game. I can't remember a more anticipated game in the series. I'm sure there have been a few but given what occurred last year and the fact that the winner will have a good shot for the BCS Championship game I cannot wait.

As of now, I think it is too hard to predict. So many unknowns:
OU- Can the OL gel, how will the new WR's develop, can the corners be left alone, How will the middle lb play, will the special teams improve?

Texas- Where will the pass rush come from, can we stop the run, how with the young secondary improve over a year, Can we replace Quan, Will we have a reliable RB

Here is what I do know. I would not trade Colt for any QB in the nation, nor do I think OU would trade Bradford. They both are perfect for the offenses that each team runs. I also think they are two of the finest young men that have ever come out of either school.

I do feel that Texas fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the front 7 of OU. If healthy this could be one of the best DL's ever at OU. I also think that fans are counting too much on the OL not being able to protect Bradford. To me the real test will be if the WR's can make big plays.

I do feel that OU fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the back 7 at Texas. We were bad against the pass last year but we did play 3 freshman and a sophmore. We also were without our best DB for most of last year. If history proves itself, Muschamps defenses have made the most strides in their second year. This is also the first time that any of the current players will have had the same DC for two years in a row.

I'll go ahead and predict a great game with the final score being:
Texas 27 OU 24

Flame Away

That, visiting fans, is how you make an intelligent and respectful post. Very good, mojo89.

[Collier11]

That, visiting fans, is how you make an intelligent and respectful post. Very good, mojo89.

Dont be consused Jim, you know most of our visiting fans cant read anyway

[snrfan65]

First time on this board and got to reading this post so I start by saying the following:

I was fortunate enough to play in this football game. I was on the bench for two years and then was a contributor for 2 years. When I played the stakes were much smaller as neither program was consistently on the MNC stage that they are at this time. I still remember the tunnell and the excitement of taking the field for this game like it was yesterday eventhough it has been almost 16 years since I played in that game.

So a couple of comments;
Interception- Personally I think it was an interception. However, I'm sure I'll get blasted but I think Texas actually got screwed on the play. To me the interception discussion is moot, what about the defensive holding that was missed? If you go back and watch the play, 3rd and 2, Texas came in with a power set ( a set that had not been used that season) and OU crowded the line, Colt faked a hand off and the TE is was splipping past the safety or LB (in fact I think it was the same player who intercepted the pass), and he clearly grabbed the UT TE, in fact the referee reached to grab the flag then stopped. Now I will be the first to admit that holding/interfernce calls are very subjective but imop it should have been 1 and 10 Texas.

Personal Foul Call against Colt- Horrible calls. Neither should have been called but I also felt the call on Melton against Bradford was a BS call as well. The call agains the OU punter was imop the worst call of the game.

Overall- It was a great game. Imop OU got out coached that game. Texas had a better game plan with inferior talent. OU's special teams were horrendus and for the first time in a long time UT was both mentally and physically tougher in the 4th quarter. I do think if those two teams played 10times OU would probably had won 6 or 7 of those games but on that day Texas did outplay OU.

This years game. I can't remember a more anticipated game in the series. I'm sure there have been a few but given what occurred last year and the fact that the winner will have a good shot for the BCS Championship game I cannot wait.

As of now, I think it is too hard to predict. So many unknowns:
OU- Can the OL gel, how will the new WR's develop, can the corners be left alone, How will the middle lb play, will the special teams improve?

Texas- Where will the pass rush come from, can we stop the run, how with the young secondary improve over a year, Can we replace Quan, Will we have a reliable RB

Here is what I do know. I would not trade Colt for any QB in the nation, nor do I think OU would trade Bradford. They both are perfect for the offenses that each team runs. I also think they are two of the finest young men that have ever come out of either school.

I do feel that Texas fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the front 7 of OU. If healthy this could be one of the best DL's ever at OU. I also think that fans are counting too much on the OL not being able to protect Bradford. To me the real test will be if the WR's can make big plays.

I do feel that OU fans (not players and coaches) are underestimating the back 7 at Texas. We were bad against the pass last year but we did play 3 freshman and a sophmore. We also were without our best DB for most of last year. If history proves itself, Muschamps defenses have made the most strides in their second year. This is also the first time that any of the current players will have had the same DC for two years in a row.

I'll go ahead and predict a great game with the final score being:
Texas 27 OU 24

Flame Away

Can we persuade this guy to post and do analysis all the time? LOL.

I think that's a very fair and intelligent breakdown. Only thing I would argue would be what qualifies as the "worst" call or no-call of the game, but that's just the fan in me.

Excellent.

[CrimsonJim]

Can we persuade this guy to post and and do analysis all the time? LOL.

I think that's a very fair and intelligent breakdown. Only thing I would argue would be what qualifies as the "worst" call or no-call of the game, but that's just the fan in me.

Excellent.

I don't know where mojo89 came from, but I vote that we keep him and send Lid off to pasture. ;)

[Collier11]

Off to the pasture is too kind, thats where they send valuable horns who led a good life...Lid probably just needs to be put down :D

[Boomer Mooner]

I don't know where mojo89 came from, but I vote that we keep him and send Lid off to pasture. ;)

I vote for mojo89! Knowledgeable, supports his team but does so with respect (as you should when visiting another teams board), explains his reasoning. Not a pompous ****tard, which is a huge plus.

[Collier11]

dont get too excited people, he may just be setting us up for years of dooshbaggery...dont let 1 post fool you

[BoulderSooner79]

Good call, Collier. mojo could just be one of Lid's multiple personalities. Lid's favorite movie is Psycho. "Mother, what have you done?"

[pweitkem]

WE'RE TEXAS BY GOD.

That means we can do whatever we want.

;)

Can you go away?

[Dan Thompson]

IMHO the answer is to stop Shipley.

[JLEW1818]

i hate that lil ****... lol

[TexasLidig8r]

Good call, Collier. mojo could just be one of Lid's multiple personalities. Lid's favorite movie is Psycho. "Mother, what have you done?"

:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmPL5vmYKw

[JLEW1818]

:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmPL5vmYKw

thanks a lot now i wont be able to sleep tonight

[Crucifax Autumn]

thanks a lot now i wont be able to sleep tonight

Why? Picturing Lid in a dress?

[CK Sooner]

Why? Picturing Lid in a dress?

:gary:

[Crucifax Autumn]

Is it a fashion faux pas to were a bowtie and a dress together?

[cjames317]

Mojo is not a doosh. Wrong, but not a doosh.

[Boomer Mooner]

Why? Picturing Lid in a dress?

You mean he doesn't wear one?

[Crucifax Autumn]

Of course he does...He's look silly with just the girdle, slip and garters!

[Soonerus]

Lack of talent on Texas' team this year...3-4 losses...

[Crucifax Autumn]

And probably of the humiliating variety.

[sooneron]

Last year, we ran all over you with a fairly average back.

Ok, you're either inept or a liar. Which is it?

Your net rushing last year FOR THE TEAM was a whopping 161 yards.

First of all, that's hardly a tour de force on the ground.

Ogbonnaya had 14 for 127, with one long run of 62. That means he was averaging around 4.6 yds without the one bright spot in his play. 4.6 which is pretty good, but nothing to crow about.

So seriously, which is it? Ineptitude or dishonor?

[Collier11]

A better way to explain it is that they only had 99 yards minus one busted play at the very end of the game

[SoonerNate]

This thread is not good for my blood pressure. Hurry up and start the season!!!!!!

[sooneron]

A better way to explain it is that they only had 99 yards minus one busted play at the very end of the game

Well whorn logic says thats running ALL OVER US. flippin self entitled retards.

[TexasLidig8r]

Ok, you're either inept or a liar. Which is it?

Your net rushing last year FOR THE TEAM was a whopping 161 yards.

First of all, that's hardly a tour de force on the ground.

Ogbonnaya had 14 for 127, with one long run of 62. That means he was averaging around 4.6 yds without the one bright spot in his play. 4.6 which is pretty good, but nothing to crow about.

So seriously, which is it? Ineptitude or dishonor?

Nonetheless.. Chris O had more yards on that one run.. than your team had the entire game. And that was with your offensive line, which everyone on here before the season began, was saying was one of the best in decades.

NOW, this season, you have an offensive line comprised of one outstanding offensive tackle (OH NO.. I complimented an OU player! How horrible!) and 4 guys who couldn't crack the starting line up last year and who have never played any significant time as a complete unit.. and people on here are slob knobbing them.

[TexasLidig8r]

Lack of talent on Texas' team this year...3-4 losses...

Care to make a gentleman's wager on that?

[Speer]

Care to make a gentleman's wager on that?

Nope, you're not a gentleman.

Of course, it's not a smart bet given UT's schedule. Non-conference games are pretty automatic, and the B12 schedule kinda breaks in UT's favor this year.

2 losses max unless something bad happens to McCoy.

[CobraKai]

Nonetheless.. Chris O had more yards on that one run.. than your team had the entire game. And that was with your offensive line, which everyone on here before the season began, was saying was one of the best in decades.

NOW, this season, you have an offensive line comprised of one outstanding offensive tackle (OH NO.. I complimented an OU player! How horrible!) and 4 guys who couldn't crack the starting line up last year and who have never played any significant time as a complete unit.. and people on here are slob knobbing them.

I think part of what you are saying is correct...the line has no experience together as a unit. That is significant. However, the other part is a little misleading. We rotated 7 or 8 linemen pretty regularly last year. Jarvis Jones was not eligible. He cracked the starting lineup for a national championship winning team as a true freshman, something that no other player for OU or Texas can say. Its not really fair to say that some of these guys "could not crack the lineup" last year. At any given time we should have 3 players with significant playing experience as part of last year's rotation, along with a guy that started as a frosh for LSU. If they gel together, they DO have tremendous upside.

[Desert Sapper]

IMHO the answer is to stop Shipley.

That and not give up 15 points in the 4th quarter when we are winning by 5 with less than 8 minutes to go.

Texas was a great team last year, but we should have beat them. We got outplayed and outcoached in the second half. Yes, we had injuries, but we should have overcome them. Champions do. Yes we had calls go against us, but Champions overcome that. Finally, Sooners beat Texas. That's what we do. I had a Texas fan give me **** after the game and tell me that Colt just couldn't let it go to two in a row for the Sooners. Well...I'm gonna go on record and say that Sam can't let it go to two in a row for the whorns.

So Boomer...only 14 days and a wake up til kickoff of the BYU game.