Mack to give Sergio a stern talking to:

[XingTheRubicon]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/big12/0-11-67/Brown-faces-tough-decision-in-punishing-Kindle.html


Brown faces tough decision in punishing Kindle

July 21, 2009 5:07 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Griffin

Texas coach Mack Brown's recent vacation trip to the bucolic rugged mountains of North Carolina didn't prepare him for the discipline case that awaited him upon his return to Austin.

Already, one of the biggest decisions for his team this season is staring him squarely in the eye.

Namely, Brown will have to decide what to do with defensive end/linebacker Sergio Kindle, who was in a late-night automobile accident on June 24.

Brown is facing a ticklish decision in how he treats Kindle's transgression -- if he even chooses to punish him at all.

The Texas coach told the Austin American-Statesman today that he doesn't plan any specific punishment until he talks with Kindle about the incident.

"I'm going to talk to him and we'll talk (about the situation) as a staff," Brown said. "He said he wasn't drinking, and there was no proof that he was. He was honest with me when he had his trouble before."

Brown said he recognized the problems of sending text messages while driving. The veteran Texas coach said he's "nearly bumped into people" while text-messaging from his car. The coach said he will address the issue with his entire team after it reports on Aug. 8 for the start of two-a-days practices.

this is just pure gold^^^

But Kindle's incident is a little different then when he was arrested for driving while intoxicated in 2007, which resulted in a three-game suspension.

The accident occurred at 1:50 a.m. And I guess Kindle never heard the golden rule my father always taught me. Namely, that nothing good ever happens after midnight.

The Austin police have told the Statesman that representatives of the apartment complex have not sent a contact card indicating whether they even want to pursue charges. Kindle called the apartment complex the next morning, which will keep him from facing charges on leaving the scene of the crime, Austin police said.

"I'll go through the situation with him myself, sit down and go from there," Brown told the Statesman. "If it's not a legal issue, I'll try to see what's fair to help him learn and help some other kids learn.

"We're not talking about a big punishment. We're talking about 'Don't do it again and learn from it.' That would be the extent of it if it got to that point."

Whether that prior record will play a part in Brown's decision is undetermined. But he needs to show the kind of reaction that will catch the attention of all of his players who will be watching to see how Kindle's case will be handled.

If Kindle goes unpunished, it could undermine discipline for what is shaping up as of Brown's best Texas teams.

One matter that is clear is how important that Kindle is for the Longhorns. It's extremely doubtful they can think about winning the South Division or contending for the national championship without his unique pass-rushing talents -- particularly against a group of opponents who throw the ball as well as those in the Big 12's South Division do.

The Longhorns' biggest defensive weakness is their defensive front. And without Kindle, that limitation becomes even more glaring.

That makes me think that we'll likely see Kindle sit out a couple of games during Texas' pillow-soft nonconference schedule.

But I expect we'll see him back in the lineup by Sept. 19, when Texas Tech arrives in Austin for the conference opener for both teams.

And there will be no doubt that he'll be in the lineup when the Longhorns face Oklahoma Oct. 17 in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas -- even if it means that Brown personally escorts Kindle home every night between now and that pivotal game if he has to.




The "no evidence" dance...
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[SoonerTank]

This is hilarious.

[badger]

oh yes oh yes they both oh yes they both oh yes they both reached for the phone the phone the phone oh yes they both oh yes they both reached for the phone for the phone... to text.

:rolleyes:

[MojoRisen]

Wow best Fark I'd seen in a while! He will not miss one game. Accidents happen

[NormanPride]

It's okay, Sergio. That concussion and the guilt I'm sure you felt was punishment enough.

Thoughts, Lid?

[OUDoc]

Thoughts, Lid?

Don't bring Lid into it, he'll just skirt the issue like mack is doing. Then Lid will turn it back to our players. Sergio has just seen the extend of his punishment, a soft media message about not doing it again.

[beer4me]

OMG SK is fixn to get the biggest tongue licking.....eer meant .....never mind:D

[SoonerBacker]

"I'll try to see what's fair to help him learn and help some other kids learn."


Mack - "Ok men, here's the lesson to be learned. If you EVER do anything wrong, move the evidence, flee the scene, and do NOT, under any circumstances report the incident to the authorities for at least 24 hours. Let us handle it internally and we will get you off without any punishment. Except of course for that 'internal probe' that you all love so much!!!! Now, let's have a group hug and get on with practice. Pats on the a$$ for everyone as you leave the locker room!!!" :texan:

[SoonerPr8r]

Brown is facing a ticklish decision

^^^Any one else notice this???

:pop:

[OUDoc]

So the punishment will be a team tickling of Kindle? Mack is a monster.

[Widescreen]

Nothing will come of this. The only punishment he'll receive is that it got some publicity. I don't understand the policy of allowing people to leave the scene of the crime and then report it the next day. So if someone's drunk, they just drive away, sober up and then call the cops. Stupid.

[rainiersooner]

I know we have mixed feelings about him, but one of my favorite things about Rhett Bomar was that he publicly said that Mack Brown creeped him out because he kept touching him so much during recruiting. That was classic.

[A-M]

So you all think this player for *Texas* is getting away with something. However, When I said that the OU recruit should not be playing football after he pleaded guilty to an attack on his girlfriend, I was literally hanged by so many of you because I was wrong should be off this board. If it is us (OU) then its OK, but if it is them (*Texas*), its not OK. Right if right and wrong is wrong, no matter what football team you are playing on! (I'll probably get a lot of 'red' spec for this again, but that's OK, life goes on.)

[Scott D]

I'm amused that the complex owners have failed to do right by their tenant...oh wait, no I'm not.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Well if he was so important, we already knew the punishment would be nonexistent or a feather lashing...

[SoonerBacker]

So you all think this player for **Texas** is getting away with something. However, When I said that the OU recruit should not be playing football after he pleaded guilty to an attack on his girlfriend, I was literally hanged by so many of you because I was wrong should be off this board. If it is us (OU) then its OK, but if it is them (**Texas**), its not OK. Right if right and wrong is wrong, no matter what football team you are playing on! (I'll probably get a lot of 'red' spec for this again, but that's OK, life goes on.)


We've already been over this w/ Lid! :rolleyes:

[goingoneight]

JC = first offense.
SK= not so much.

Not worth my time to argue really. One guy's getting a second chance while on paper-thin ice, the other just did something dumb and got lucky no one was home. I liken this to a QB whom once fell out of a truck. If the coaches don't like him or need him, it might be the last straw. However they do and they do more, he'll likely just be punished by having to continue to wear burnt-orange.

[TexasLidig8r]

It's okay, Sergio. That concussion and the guilt I'm sure you felt was punishment enough.

Thoughts, Lid?

If this was a first offense, that is one thing.

He was popped for an alcohol related offense previously. This puts you on notice that you have to be more than clean.

Although there is no direct evidence of alcohol use in this incident, the circumstances look very suspicious.

Suspend him for at least one game for stupidity's sake.

[SouthFortySooner]

Every scumsucking texan should ask themselves, what would have happened if I would have done it. If it were my daughter's apartment he smashed into and walked away he and I would have had a conversation. Not by text.

[sooner518]

i dont see the big deal. neg me if you want, but i dont think mack is doing anything wrong if he doesnt suspend Kindle.

[MiccoMacey]

If this was a first offense, that is one thing.

He was popped for an alcohol related offense previously. This puts you on notice that you have to be more than clean.

Although there is no direct evidence of alcohol use in this incident, the circumstances look very suspicious.

Suspend him for at least one game for stupidity's sake.

Agreed.

[starclassic tama]

but he put people's lives in danger, like chaisson right? this stinks of win at all costs mentality by the whorns

[JLEW1818]

If this was a first offense, that is one thing.

He was popped for an alcohol related offense previously. This puts you on notice that you have to be more than clean.

Although there is no direct evidence of alcohol use in this incident, the circumstances look very suspicious.

Suspend him for at least one game for stupidity's sake.

yah, suspend him on October 17, 2009.....

[RedstickSooner]

Anyone who has seen the picture of the apartment Kindle ran into knows full well that he was either:

1) Drunk. (Or otherwise severely impaired -- I'll also accept high on quaaludes, or just shot heroin for the first time as acceptable answers.)

2) Doing 90 in the 35.

3) Getting blown.

4) Some combination of the above.

Texting doesn't cause you to run off the road, up onto a wide, well-built sidewalk, continue across the sidewalk, and then run your *** into & through a giant cement wall.

I don't care where he plays, this jackass could've easily killed someone with driving that reckless. The fact that he'll face neither legal nor team-related repercussions is shameful.

And, to be blunt, I don't care what Brown does. I'd actually prefer that he gets no penalties from the team, but has his license taken away by the police. The dude is clearly a menace behind the wheel. A couple football games isn't going to change the universe, but he could easily kill or cripple someone with another stunt like that.

[NormanPride]

Anyone who has seen the picture of the apartment Kindle ran into knows full well that he was either:

1) Drunk. (Or otherwise severely impaired -- I'll also accept high on quaaludes, or just shot heroin for the first time as acceptable answers.)

2) Doing 90 in the 35.

3) Getting blown.

4) Some combination of the above.

Texting doesn't cause you to run off the road, up onto a wide, well-built sidewalk, continue across the sidewalk, and then run your *** into & through a giant cement wall.

I don't care where he plays, this jackass could've easily killed someone with driving that reckless. The fact that he'll face neither legal nor team-related repercussions is shameful.

And, to be blunt, I don't care what Brown does. I'd actually prefer that he gets no penalties from the team, but has his license taken away by the police. The dude is clearly a menace behind the wheel. A couple football games isn't going to change the universe, but he could easily kill or cripple someone with another stunt like that.

Hear, hear. The kid has proven he doesn't need to drive until he matures some.

[OUDoc]

i dont see the big deal. neg me if you want, but i dont think *Mack* is doing anything wrong if he doesnt suspend Kindle.
You don't see the big deal?

[soonerfan28]

I sure hope he doesn't get suspended a game or two. It'll be tough to beat Louisiana Monroe and Wyoming w/out Sergio. You leave the scene because you're sober, right?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

You people don't listen, he left because he didn't want to wake anyone up!! Thank God there was no light sleepers on that street!!

[Eielson]

You people don't listen, he left because he didn't want to wake anyone up!! Thank God there was no light sleepers on that street!!

He was nice enough to pull his vehicle out of the apartment, I don't know why we would doubt his character.

[Crucifax Autumn]

So you all think this player for **Texas** is getting away with something. However, When I said that the OU recruit should not be playing football after he pleaded guilty to an attack on his girlfriend, I was literally hanged by so many of you because I was wrong should be off this board. If it is us (OU) then its OK, but if it is them (**Texas**), its not OK. Right if right and wrong is wrong, no matter what football team you are playing on! (I'll probably get a lot of 'red' spec for this again, but that's OK, life goes on.)

I think the difference might be that OUr guy actually pled in court and this jackhole is still saying he ran so the cops wouldn't give him a phonalyzer or something. OUr guy stood up and took the punishment. Kuntle has basically decided he's above the law and just had a little oopsie!

[Crucifax Autumn]

You people don't listen, he left because he didn't want to wake anyone up!! Thank God there was no light sleepers on that street!!

Hell, in Austin I'm surprised there weren't people actually sleeping ON the street!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Shhhhh....don't look in the drain!!

[soonerloyal]

Slightly OT and some might not agree with me - but as awesome as that fark is, I don't think it should have Colt McCoy in it. The second face should be Kindle's. Colt's a good kid - Our Sammy thinks so, too. There are so many other UT players fit for the farkin' on this thread. IMO, Colt is definitely not one of 'em.

Just sayin'. :O

[SoonerBacker]

I think the difference might be that OUr guy actually pled in court and this jackhole is still saying he ran so the cops wouldn't give him a phonalyzer or something. OUr guy stood up and took the punishment. Kuntle has basically decided he's above the law and just had a little oopsie!


One other difference: Sergio has been "warned" before while a member of the Whorn's football program. "OUr guy" has yet to wear a Sooner uniform. He is a high school kid who screwed up. We are giving him a second (NOT A THIRD) chance. I am completely confident that IF he screws up again while wearing a SOONER uniform, he will be G-O-N-E! Stoops has proven that on more than one occassion.

[sooneron]

1:50 AM? What time is last call in asstin?

[A-M]

I think the difference might be that OUr guy actually pled in court and this jackhole is still saying he ran so the cops wouldn't give him a phonalyzer or something. OUr guy stood up and took the punishment. Kuntle has basically decided he's above the law and just had a little oopsie!

I just don't understand. You break the law, you break the law. It doesn't matter if you say you did, or if you leave the scene of the accident. Many people do not understand that in many states, you have 24 hours to report the vehicle accident before the law says you have committed a 'hit and run' crime, even if a different person follows you and calls the policy before the 24hour period is up. He called the apartment complex a few hours after the accident, so he did not break the 'hit and run' law and it was on private property. Technially, the OU guy broke the law and the Texas guy did not but the Texas guy should be punished by his coach and the OU guy should not be punished by his coach. I have been on this earth for over 60 years, I've been a sooner all my life, but to me, you guys are just flat wrong.

[Scott D]

Technically the Texas guy broke the law. This nonsense about contacting someone the next day is the biggest crock of **** "law" on the books I've heard since some small town statutes still on the books prohibiting "colored" folk from being out in public after sundown.

[JLEW1818]

somebody needs to make a copy cat thread ...... it has a chance to be really funny... Badger get on it!

[Crucifax Autumn]

Technically the *Texas* guy broke the law. This nonsense about contacting someone the next day is the biggest crock of **** "law" on the books I've heard since some small town statutes still on the books prohibiting "colored" folk from being out in public after sundown.

And just out of curiosity...is crashing your car through a building after driving on the sidewalk legal? Even if he was "technically" within the law when he waited to sober up before calling it in, does that make the property destruction legal? I somehow doubt it. And if the crash itself was illegal, then isn't it also illegal to remove evidence, the car disabled car, from the scene of said crime?

[IronHorseSooner]

I somehow doubt it. And if the crash itself was illegal, then isn't it also illegal to remove evidence, the car disabled car, from the scene of said crime?

If the destruction of private property is illegal, which it is every state, then willfully removing evidence from a crime scene is obstruction of justice. At least that's what I learned from my Criminal Justice degree. Either way, the signs at the RRR this year should be classic!

[SoonerKnight]

I just don't understand. You break the law, you break the law. It doesn't matter if you say you did, or if you leave the scene of the accident. Many people do not understand that in many states, you have 24 hours to report the vehicle accident before the law says you have committed a 'hit and run' crime, even if a different person follows you and calls the policy before the 24hour period is up. He called the apartment complex a few hours after the accident, so he did not break the 'hit and run' law and it was on private property. Technially, the OU guy broke the law and the *Texas* guy did not but the *Texas* guy should be punished by his coach and the OU guy should not be punished by his coach. I have been on this earth for over 60 years, I've been a sooner all my life, but to me, you guys are just flat wrong.

Wreckless driving is against the law! Whether he was drunk or not he admitted to wreckless driving. Their are witnesses to this. He has been on the team for four years. He has already had a DUI and he continues to screw up.

The OU RECRUIT broke the law but plead out and is do his sentence. It is over with him. He is a RECRUIT and is probably betwenn 17 and 18 years old and well let's face it 17 and 18 y/o don't have control over their emotions. But one fact that is truly clear is that Sergio is old enough to know better and should be disciplined. NO ONE runs into an Apartment without being impaired in some way. Texting indeed do not insult my intelligence. The guy was heard screaming and I quote "My life is over! My life is ruined!" :gary: Texting PFFFT!!!!!!!

[Leroy Lizard]

Wreckless driving is against the law! Whether he was drunk or not he admitted to wreckless driving.

If he committed wreckless driving none of us would be talking about it.