Tombstone

[OklahomaRed]

TOMBSTONE




Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent presidential election:
Number of States won
by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won
by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won
by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won
by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

[yermom]

how exactly is that going to kill teh USA in 5 years?

[OklahomaRed]

Barack Obama, like all U.S. presidents since JFK, is little more than an attractive empty suit who was promoted by the political “elites” to quell public anger over the direction of the Bush administration. The president’s role is largely ceremonial to pacify the masses while the real power is held by international bankers and non-elected bodies like the Federal Reserve and the mysterious Bildeberg Group. These non-elected bodies aim to consolidate their world power by precipitating a crisis (e.g. the recent failure of the banking system tied to sub-prime mortgages) that will coax the people into submitting more of their civil liberties to centralized powers in exchange for (perceived) security.

This is a review of the Obama deception movie. These guys are on the fringe, but some things in there definitely made you wonder who actually is controlling the nation? The Dems and the Repbulicans are both on the take. Just how deep in to the political system the banks are is unknown; however, Obama has already broken a lot of campaign promises and he's only three months in to office.

[Curly Bill]

Nothing in the OP surprised me. Sadly.

[My Opinion Matters]

TOMBSTONE




Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent presidential election:
Number of States won
by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won
by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won
by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won
by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Obiviously not a profressor of mathematics, is he? Thanks for sharing your completely absurd forward with us. I think it had been at least 12 hours since the last "___________ said ___________ about Obama" thread.

[My Opinion Matters]

Nothing in the OP surprised me. Sadly.

I was surprised to learn we're back down to 48 states.

[Curly Bill]

Geez, ya think maybe that refers to the continental 48 states?

[OklahomaRed]

Hey, I didn't check the math. It was a forward. The point is, don't blindly follow Obama just because you hate Bush. We all hated Bush. Point is, take your head out of Obama's rear end and start asking some honest questions before we get so deep we will never get out.

More from the Obama Deception:

Jones seeks to prove this thesis by demonstrating a long history of economic imperialism, the way unelected bodies have affected the policies of past U.S. presidents (the JFK conspiracy is discussed, as he was allegedly the last president who truly tried to change the system; his comeuppance is illustrated via the infamous Zapruder assassination film) and most importantly compare the one-time senator Obama’s platform to what has actually been done since he took the white house. Despite President Obama’s term being barely 3 months, Jones provides a rather impressive list of promises already broken by the 44th president of the United States:

Instead of repealing the patriot act as pledged, Barrack Obama voted to reinstate it
Obama watered down his original pledge to bring all troops home from Iraq in 6 months. Now a only portion of troops will allegedly be brought home in 23 months
While signing off the closing of Guantanamo bay, Obama’s mandate still allows for rendition; the administration threatened to cut intelligence ties to the United Kingdom over alleged evidence of American misdeeds
Despite being elected on a platform of neutralizing lobbyists, Obama’s cabinet contains some of the most powerful lobbyists in the country. Most notably, treasury secretary Timothy Geithner was a top lobbyist for Goldman Sachs – to date, the leading beneficiary of the so-called stimulus packages ($12.9 billion)
This documentary excels at providing externally verifiable facts and sometimes shocking footage. For instance, most people probably didn’t know that Barrack Obama -model liberal- has ties to staunch Republicans. The film reveals one of Obama’s early endorsers to be none other than Henry Kissinger – the former Secretary of State is shown in a CNBC clip declaring Obama to be the perfect candidate to set a new world order.

[beer4me]

TOMBSTONE




Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent presidential election:
Number of States won
by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won
by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won
by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won
by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Dude that kinda facts gonna get you banned off the site:D

[NormanPride]

Yeah, pretty worthless.

[soonerscuba]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

Everytime you believe email forwards God calls you a dolt and murders a puppy in retribution for your gullibility. Also, citing an internet documentary by the producers of Loose Change only adds to your crazy.

[oumartin]

48 states, didn't Obama think we had like 70?

[OklahomaRed]

It's here in the film that the group who made it start to sound a little too much conspiratist; however, it would be a sad day for the U.S. if they are even 50% correct. I'm not a conspiratist, but I'm also not stupid enough to believe the bankers are not making money shorting the market and then turning around making money the other way. I am also intelligent enough to realize that the filthy rich are not going to just sit around on their pile of money and resources. They are going to bribe politicians, groom their future candidates, and work to ensure the LAW favors them verus us.

More from the film:

Seasoned skeptics will be relieved to hear that The Obama Deception provides a concise description of what they believe to be President Obama’s agenda for the coming years:

Bringing the US financial system under the control of the Bank of the World
Conscription for persons aged 18-24 into a domestic paramilitary force under direct command of the president
Disarmament of Americans through stricter gun control
Strong restrictions on free speech through promotion of the Fairness Doctrine and various hate speech laws
Military control of African resources through Africom (to secure resources and push away China from the continent)
Further integration with Mexico and Canada in preparation for the North American Union
Federal control of family farms through animal ID legislation
Perhaps most shockingly, the film alleges that Obama will in due time fall on his sword and take responsibility for the social upheaval resulting from this agenda. This virtual abdication will pave the way for the next Republican “saviour” who will court the American people as a renegade against socialism, all while perpetuating the agenda dictated by the “elites”.

[My Opinion Matters]

Geez, ya think maybe that refers to the continental 48 states?

Clearly the votes of the second class citizens residing in Alaska and Hawaii are immaterial.

[Curly Bill]

Clearly the votes of the second class citizens residing in Alaska and Hawaii are immaterial.

Sounds good to me. Second class citizens shouldn't even get to vote.

[KC//CRIMSON]

The people must know!!

[OklahomaRed]

The snopes.com review is a good read. Thank you for submitting it. Makes more sense. Forward was from an MHA friend of mine and I thought it was interesting. Anything circulated on the internet is what it is, unless you want to take the time (like snopes) to analyze each piece.

[OklahomaRed]

Who am I?

The people must know!! :D

Obviously you really don't care? You like your taxes going up, your healthcare restricted, you 401K in the crapper, and your job put in jeopardy? Do you have a solution, or are you just the immature poster who trolls Sooner Fans all day and all night? :confused:

[tommieharris91]

Clearly the votes of the second class citizens residing in Alaska and Hawaii are immaterial.

Of course, this makes Sarah Palin about as eligible as Barry Soetorororo for POTUS.

[Dio]

Clearly the votes of the second class citizens residing in Alaska and Hawaii are immaterial.

:les: We done told you Brack Hussein wuzzunt bornt in Merica!

[Dio]

Actually, I was hoping this thread was about the movie Tombstone

[KC//CRIMSON]

Who am I?

The people must know!! :D

Obviously you really don't care? You like your taxes going up, your healthcare restricted, you 401K in the crapper, and your job put in jeopardy? Do you have a solution, or are you just the immature poster who trolls Sooner Fans all day and all night? :confused:

Of course I care, but I also realize there's only about a billion threads on the subject already and don't have a need to further clog the board.

Do you enjoy being a broken record or do you just like to complain?

[My Opinion Matters]

Of course, this makes Sarah Palin about as eligible as Barry Soetorororo for POTUS.

I'm starting to think you're a secret agent of the liberal media sent here to destroy Sarah Palin. LEAVE SARAH ALONE!

[My Opinion Matters]

Actually, I was hoping this thread was about the movie Tombstone

I was hoping pizza. :(

[Oldnslo]

blah, blah, blah,... *** them verus us.



Is it okay if I vote myself out of your group? I don't want to be part of an "us" with "you".

[Boomer Mooner]

The snopes.com review is a good read. Thank you for submitting it. Makes more sense. Forward was from an MHA friend of mine and I thought it was interesting. Anything circulated on the internet is what it is, unless you want to take the time (like snopes) to analyze each piece.

Geez, I hate when people forward crap like this without checking Snopes at least. It already has the earmarks of BS, quotes from scholars blah, blah, blah. Frickin' type snopes.com, hit enter and then type "quote from dr. whoever" and thats usually all it takes. Instead people pass it on for fact and make everyone with the same political leanings look like conspiracy freaks by association. ****!

[My Opinion Matters]

Geez, I hate when people forward crap like this without checking Snopes at least. It already has the earmarks of BS, quotes from scholars blah, blah, blah. Frickin' type snopes.com, hit enter and then type "quote from dr. whoever" and thats usually all it takes. Instead people pass it on for fact and make everyone with the same political leanings look like conspiracy freaks by association. ****!

I agree. It's awesome when that happens.

[Boomer Mooner]

Thanks for proving my point.

Don't think you're side doesn't have enough shrill mother****ers to make slightly left of center folks look like whiney *** cry babies.

[Sooner_Havok]

Thanks for proving my point.

Don't think you're side doesn't have enough shrill mother****ers to make slightly left of center folks look like whiney *** cry babies.

Hell, round these parts ifin' you're dead center or slightly left of there you're branded an anti-American, liberal, commy, Marxist, socialist, radical leftest, card carrying member of the blame America first crowd.

C'est la Vie mon capitaine

;)

[Curly Bill]

Hell, round these parts ifin' you're dead center or slightly left of there you're branded an anti-American, liberal, commy, Marxist, socialist, radical leftest, card carrying member of the blame America first crowd.

C'est la Vie mon capitaine

;)

Is this going to be your new theme from now on, to be repeated at least once a day on here?

[My Opinion Matters]

Is this going to be your new theme from now on, to be repeated at least once a day on here?

Don't you think it's a little ironic you're condemning anyone for the banality of their posts?

[Curly Bill]

If you say so Rachel.

[JLEW1818]

HA

[Sooner_Havok]

Is this going to be your new theme from now on, to be repeated at least once a day on here?

Thinking about it, why?

[Frozen Sooner]

There's 49 continental US states. This is easily determinable by looking at a globe. Alaska is indeed part of North America.

There are 48 contiguous states.

And, as pointed out by Snopes, damn near every "fact" in that thing that's been posted at least four times since the 2004 election was incorrect in both 2004 and 2008.

[SanJoaquinSooner]

TOMBSTONE
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out ...
Square miles of land won
by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000


Let's see, my house sits on a one-fifth acre lot, while a wheat farmer might own 160 acres. Does it follow the wheat farmer's vote should count 800 times as much as my vote because the area of his land is 800 times the area of my property?

And why doesn't Alaska have 8 times as many U.S. representatives as Oklahoma? It has 8 times the area.

Apparently Professor Olson has been standing in the Hempline way too long. Redickulous.

[OklahomaRed]

Despite the undocumented statements in the article, the point is that states should have more rights to personal freedoms, the federal government should get out of the way, and states with high population concentrations should stay out of attempts to tax and spend the rest of the state's wealth and resources. You can see how far the liberal agenda has taken California in to being broke. Now they want the federal government to bail them out. What ever happened to the original thought process or the republic where each state had the right to decide for themselves? The biggest thing that has hurt the U.S. is the centralization of power and the establishment of the Federal Reserve bank, which is actually not even part of the federal government but a private bank that prints money. Albeit, the forward and post was repeated "gossip", it does make the point that concentrated population centers are dictating to the rest of the nation what they want us to pay for their stupidity.

[My Opinion Matters]

Despite the undocumented statements in the article, the point is that states should have more rights to personal freedoms, the federal government should get out of the way, and states with high population concentrations should stay out of attempts to tax and spend the rest of the state's wealth and resources. You can see how far the liberal agenda has taken California in to being broke. Now they want the federal government to bail them out. What ever happened to the original thought process or the republic where each state had the right to decide for themselves? The biggest thing that has hurt the U.S. is the centralization of power and the establishment of the Federal Reserve bank, which is actually not even part of the federal government but a private bank that prints money. Albeit, the forward and post was repeated "gossip", it does make the point that concentrated population centers are dictating to the rest of the nation what they want us to pay for their stupidity.

Um, did you not pay attention in high school Civics class? This is how republican forms of government work.

[OklahomaRed]

Um, did you not pay attention in high school Civics class? This is how republican forms of government work.

No, that's the way a democracy works. The "United States" form of government is to allow more representation at the local level than concentrate it at the federal level. Our founding fathers saw the inherent danger of allowing the 51% to dictate to the 49%, so they established our republic differently. Only over time has it evolved to where the concentrated masses have rule over the few. The biggest danger here is the fact that uneducated people who can not even tell you where the Atlantic ocean is located are voting for their representatives based on whether or not they have a nice smile.

In the United States Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to only having direct democracy, and this usage is still employed by many viewing themselves as "republicans". In modern political science, republicanism refers to a specific ideology that is based on civic virtue and is considered distinct from ideologies such as liberalism.

[My Opinion Matters]

Yep, that seals it. You're a troll. You're more articulate than Tuba, I guess that's how you've flown under the radar for so long.

[OklahomaRed]

Yep, that seals it. You're a troll. You're more articulate than Tuba, I guess that's how you've flown under the radar for so long.

Heh. Thanks for the compliment. I'm under the radar because I don't live and breath to post on SF daily; however, I do enjoy some of the discussion on here and I (believe it or not) am open to other's point of view, and am willing to learn something new if someone actually makes a valid point or arguement. I'm also intelligent enough to realize that the world and life is not black and white, and there will always be those very large gray areas where we either have to agree to disagree, or actually figure out a compromise solution that we can all live with.

With that said, I am not willing to simply turn a blind eye to those attempting to control my life. If nothing else, I at least want to know if the bankers (through the politicians) are at least going to use some KY before they stick it in me! :D

[The Remnant]

Western Civilization has a death wish.

[The Remnant]

Liberalism is not a mental illness. It is, however, a parasitic political philosophy
that eats away at tradition and cultural heritage.

[yermom]

the problem is that the other side of the coin is just as bad where you have the populace left to the wolves with all of the unchecked corporations

personally, i don't mind higher taxes if everyone's quality of life is better. i think everyone should have access to the basics. if you want more than that, work harder.

but for the most part, i want government to leave me the hell alone

[The Remnant]

Liberalism is either indifferent or hostile to anything that stands between the individual and the state.

[yermom]

maybe if you get the definition from Ann Coulter

[Boomer Mooner]

the problem is that the other side of the coin is just as bad where you have the populace left to the wolves with all of the unchecked corporations

personally, i don't mind higher taxes if everyone's quality of life is better. i think everyone should have access to the basics. if you want more than that, work harder.

but for the most part, i want government to leave me the hell alone

I agree, but this administration wants those that work harder and succeed to pay more, and when I say more I mean a higher percentage of what they already pay. The top 1% is already paying something like 50% of all the taxes.

People used to come to America because it was the land of opportunity. You could work your *** off and reap the rewards. Now people come to America so they can get on the government tit.

[The Remnant]

Ann Coulter has absolutely nothing to do with conservative political philosophy. Try again my friend.

[yermom]

I agree, but this administration wants those that work harder and succeed to pay more, and when I say more I mean a higher percentage of what they already pay. The top 1% is already paying something like 50% of all the taxes.

People used to come to America because it was the land of opportunity. You could work your *** off and reap the rewards. Now people come to America so they can get on the government tit.

that's because their income is disproportionate to the rest of the population. that statistic doesn't mean that much. even if there was a flat tax that number would sound out of whack

[soonerscuba]

Ann Coulter has absolutely nothing to do with conservative political philosophy. Try again my friend.When your definition of "political philosophy" includes wildly broad descriptions for terms you only have a vague understanding of, I don't see how she doesn't.

[The Remnant]

Albert Jay Nock, Richard Weaver, Edmund Burke, Russel Kirk , Robert Nisbet, Frederich Hayek, Ludwig Von Mises. I might even put Robert Bork in that catergory. But Ann Coulter? I don't think so.

[The Remnant]

A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.

[The Remnant]

Try reading George H. Nash. His book on conservative political thought since 1945 comes highly recoomended.

[GottaHavePride]

TOMBSTONE




Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent presidential election:
Number of States won
by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won
by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won
by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won
by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in fewer than five years. If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.
If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Yes. I'm sure every single one of the millions of people in New York, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, and so on... are poor people living in the ghetto and not paying taxes.

Whoever wrote this thing is a moron partisan shill.

[soonerscuba]

Oh wonderful, another Big Red Ron. I don't have any doubt you have the ability to list thinkers, but when you dismiss "liberalism" as a source of decay to cultural heritage, I bristle on principle, surely as a student of classical political theory you are familiar with the concept of a nostalgic lens? I simply reject the concept of duly elected individuals tearing cultural heritage in an open representative gov't. There simply isn't a consensus as to what our cultural heritage is in this country beyond very vague concepts of the human condition (e.g. freedom, liberty), despite attempts to legislate it.

I don't have a problem with conservative thought, it all to often boils to a villification of liberals, which I think cheapens discussion. FWIW, a lot of liberals do the same thing in reverse.

[The Remnant]

No offense intended. Boomer Sooner!

[The Remnant]

Scuba, you are EXTREMELY naive if you think that "elected individuals" are the ones tearing down traditional values. Judicial activism has had a corrosive effect on our concept of right and wrong for years. Does Roe v. Wade ring a bell? What legislature approved that? I know. You will bring up the concept of "living constitution". How about we sit down and play poker with "living rules". High stakes poker. Maybe sometimes my "pair" beats your "full house". How would you like that? Sometimes I think you are nothing more than a gas bag.