Immigration Reform and Universal Health Care...

[The Remnant]

This is going to be a disaster.

[OklahomaTuba]

This is going to be a disaster.That's a pretty optimistic outlook IMO.

but at the rate Obama's poll numbers are falling, he is going to need all those new Messicans that come here for free healthcare to get a 2nd term.

[SoonerStormchaser]

Really? They're falling? Care to cite a source?

[Curly Bill]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/07/obamas_poll_num.html



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html

[SoonerStormchaser]

Good enough...

[The Remnant]

Yes, but the MSM still gets chills.

[soonerscuba]

Heh, I think that if you don't know the difference between universal and government healthcare you have to eat the biscuit when this thread is done.

[Sooner_Havok]

Heh, I think that if you don't know the difference between universal and government healthcare you have to eat the biscuit when this thread is done.

It was done till you came along :P

[soonerscuba]

It was done till you came along :PThere is only one poster I won't bump because of their crazy, it rhymes with lush rimbomb is by zone. Also, I feel that no political thread is truly represented until one the 97% of the communists that make up the board say something, usually retarded.

[Sooner_Havok]

There is only one poster I won't bump because of their crazy, it rhymes with lush rimbomb is by zone. Also, I feel that no political thread is truly represented until one the 97% of the communists that make up the board say something, usually retarded.

Well, I am grouped with the communists, and everything I say is retarded so, there ya go. :D

[SanJoaquinSooner]

This is going to be a disaster.

No, Washington sticking its head in the sand and ignoring immigration reform was a disaster. It led to a corrupt black market of labor. Tightening the borders kept them in, not out -- as it became too expensive to pay the bribe to get back in each spring.

[JLEW1818]

Work, earn money, live

i just don't get how people actually think his stuff is going to work.

[KC//CRIMSON]

This is going to be a disaster.


Careful there, posting random thoughts is Rus-like.

[Octavian]

but at the rate Obama's poll numbers are falling, he is going to need all those new Messicans that come here for free healthcare to get a 3rd term.


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[tommieharris91]

Work, earn money, live


This is what the Messicans are trying to do.

[The Remnant]

So are you saying that a government run health care option will not eventually squeeze out private insurers? Really?

[OklahomaTuba]

Really? They're falling? Care to cite a source?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/july_2009/obama_index_july_16_2009/233512-2-eng-US/obama_index_july_16_2009.jpg

You know its bad when the only way Obama can get people to support this disaster is to pay them to support it.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html

[The Remnant]

This is what Obama said in 2007." The time has come for UNIVERSAL, affordable health care in America."

[OklahomaTuba]

Hope and Change baby!

If it doesn't happen now, like in the next couple of months, I don't think it will happen at all. Even with the donks in complete control. They see Obama's popularity is falling like a rock. Did you hear the boos at the all star game? Wow!

The blue-dogs will see the writing on the wall with how well thought out, planned and successful Porkulus has been so far.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

There is only one poster I won't bump because of their crazy, it rhymes with lush rimbomb is by zone. Also, I feel that no political thread is truly represented until one the 97% of the communists that make up the board say something, usually retarded.I'm flattered, cuba; you're one of just a handful of the moonhowlers that I don't have on ignore. Compliments!

[The Remnant]

No. What is a disaster is the US not controlling our own border. Legalizing them is not going to make the problem go away.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

No, Washington sticking its head in the sand and ignoring immigration reform was a disaster.

Here's immigration reform. Arrest, deport and search businesses and close down businesses that hire illegals. Its the current law. It would also be in line with Italy, Japan and Canada that have recently deported illegals or have reinforced laws currently on the books.

Canada getting hard line on illegals - now that's amazing...

[Sooner_Havok]

Here's immigration reform. Arrest, deport and search businesses and close down businesses that hire illegals. Its the current law. It would also be in line with Italy, Japan and Canada that have recently deported illegals or have reinforced laws currently on the books.

Canada getting hard line on illegals - now that's amazing...

Why do you hate the American way of life? You know what getting rid of that many cheap laborers would do to our already fragile economy?

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Why do you hate the American way of life? You know what getting rid of that many cheap laborers would do to our already fragile economy?

Heh, I still mow my own lawn because teenagers won't do it and I don't want illegals doing it...Plus if I can't mow my own lawn, then that is a sad commentary on me.

Now about that new roof job going in, in about 2 weeks... ;) I've been promised everyone is legal...

[Sooner_Havok]

Heh, I still mow my own lawn because teenagers won't do it and I don't want illegals doing it...Plus if I can't mow my own lawn, then that is a sad commentary on me.

Now about that new roof job going in, in about 2 weeks... ;) I've been promised everyone is legal...

Stock up on re-fried beans just in case

[OklahomaTuba]

Say Adios to your private health insurance everybody...

It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

[NormanPride]

Oh ****, is that law already?

[OklahomaTuba]

Oh ****, is that law already?Still has the Senate & Obama to rubber stamp it.

Would be interested to know how many of these a$$holes will even read this disaster.

[Sooner_Havok]

Say Adios to your private health insurance everybody...
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854


20 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
21 COVERAGE.
22 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV23
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
24 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov25
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health


1 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
2 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
3 first day of Y1 (as defined in section 100(c)) if the fol4
lowing conditions are met:
5 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
6 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
7 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
8 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
9 any individual in such coverage if the effective
10 date of coverage is on or after the first day of


In context.

It is explaining what will and won't be grandfathered in.

Here, knock yourself out kid

health care for all Americans" bill (http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/hrdraft.pdf)

read it yourself, don't trust other people trying to push their fears and beliefs on you.

[OklahomaTuba]

In context.

It is explaining what grandfathered coverage would be.

Here, knock yourself out kid

health care for all Americans" bill (http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/hrdraft.pdf)

read it yourself, don't trust other people trying to push their fears and beliefs on you.Ok, so you just confirmed there was a limitation on new coverage.


So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

[Sooner_Havok]

Ok, so you just confirmed there was a limitation on new coverage.

Sure I did. I confirmed that it is discussing what will be covered under the grandfather clause.

[OklahomaTuba]

Sure I did. I confirmed that it is discussing what will be covered under the grandfather clause.You realize that most companies change their coverage EVERY YEAR, right??

This will destroy the health insurance industry.

[JohnnyMack]

You realize that most companies change their coverage EVERY YEAR, right??

This will destroy the health insurance industry.

I've been with the same company 11 years and we've switched once.

[Sooner_Havok]

You realize that most companies change their coverage EVERY YEAR, right??

Ok, so when they do, they will have to make sure their coverage matches the new legal requirements.

Basically, if this becomes law, this is setting a deadline for when people must have health insurance. If your company waits until the day this goes into law to get your coverage, then they will still get hit with the penalty that year.

[OklahomaTuba]

I've been with the same company 11 years and we've switched once.Same company maybe, but I doubt it was the same plan, unless you company is ****ing stupid.

[JohnnyMack]

Same company maybe, but I doubt it was the same plan, unless you company is ****ing stupid.

I'm somewhat worried you might actually have a stroke at some point while BHO is in office.

[Curly Bill]

Same company maybe, but I doubt it was the same plan, unless you company is ****ing stupid.

Well they did hire JM! :P :D :D

ba-dum crash!


Just kidding JM, just kidding. :D

[Sooner_Havok]

I'm somewhat worried you might actually have a stroke at some point while BHO is in office.

what that might sound like

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[OklahomaTuba]

Section 101(a): “ALL individuals residing in the United States are covered” under this act.

That means … all “illegal” immigrants too I guess?

[OklahomaTuba]

I'm somewhat worried you might actually have a stroke at some point while BHO is in office.
I hope not. Under your Messiahs plan here, I might have to wake 2-3 weeks before seeing anybody.

[Sooner_Havok]

I hope not. Under your Messiahs plan here, I might have to wake 2-3 weeks before seeing anybody.

You know, I know a guy from Canada, he has no clue where this whole "waiting in line" thing comes from.

[OklahomaTuba]

You know, I know a guy from Canada, he has no clue where this whole "waiting in line" thing comes from.I don't think they ban private health care there.

I have an office up there in Calgary, and I have heard stories. Anything that requires a specialist = a trip to Minn or a private Dr.

[Sooner_Havok]

I don't think they ban private health care there.

I have an office up there in Calgary, and I have heard stories. Anything that requires a specialist = a trip to Minn or a private Dr.

I don't think they are banning private health care down here either. But I am only on page 21 of the bill right now. I will let you know if I find a clause banning the sale of private health insurance.

[JohnnyMack]

I hope not. Under your Messiahs plan here, I might have to wake 2-3 weeks before seeing anybody.

The only messiah I recognize is Robert A. Stoops.

[Sooner_Havok]

The only messiah I recognize is Lou Diamond Phillips.

:D

[TheHumanAlphabet]

I don't think they are banning private health care down here either. But I am only on page 21 of the bill right now. I will let you know if I find a clause banning the sale of private health insurance.

I doubt that will be written in. But like in the UK/Canada, why do you have to pay twice in order to get the service we get today for paying once? This is great gubment logic...

[The Remnant]

The CBO said today that the bill currently under debate would actually raise health care costs, not lower the costs. It will also lead to the rationing of health care. Do the math.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Why not just do away with health care altogether? I mean God invented boot straps for a reason!

[The Remnant]

Private health care won't have to be banned for it to go away.

[NormanPride]

I don't think companies switching plans has anything to do with that clause. It sounds like individuals who forgo the company plan must do so before the law goes into effect. Otherwise they can't get an individual policy, but CAN still go for the company policy, if there is one.

I'm... not sure why this is in there, and I'm not sure how the insurance companies haven't raised holy hell about this. It must be a very minor segment of their revenue.

[Sooner_Havok]

I doubt that will be written in. But like in the UK/Canada, why do you have to pay twice in order to get the service we get today for paying once? This is great gubment logic...


If the plan is paid for out of taxpayer pockets, then everyone is paying for health care. If you decide to take out private health care you pay for health care again.

But, if the government plan is in direct competition with the private plan, the private plan should have to lower their costs to compete. So, for the person still wanting private coverage, they will pay less than what they would have before the national plan came to be.

"But how can the insurance companies lower their prices, they are already on the edge of profitability?"

Glad you asked. By insuring those that once wouldn't be able to have health insurance, fewer people will use the ER for their primary care, and fewer people will be balking on their medical bills. This lowers the cost of health care across the board, and would allow the insurance companies to lower their prices without fear of losing their profitability.