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RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/11/2009, 01:24 PM
FW: HUMAN EVENTS Article: Welcome Back, Carter

Welcome Back, Carter (Jimmy)

Well, I'm glad that's over!

Now that our silver-tongued president has gone to Cairo to soothe Muslims' hurt feelings, they love us again! Muslims in Pakistan expressed their appreciation for President Barack Obama's speech by bombing a fancy hotel in Peshawar this week.

Operating on the liberal premise that what Arabs really respect is weakness, Obama listed, incorrectly, Muslims' historical contributions to mankind, such as algebra (actually that was the ancient Babylonians), the compass (that was the Chinese), pens (the Chinese again) and medical discoveries (huh?).

But why be picky? All these inventions came in mighty handy on Sept. 11, 2001! Thanks, Muslims!!

Obama bravely told the Cairo audience that 9/11 was a very nasty thing for Muslims to do to us, but on the other hand, they were victims of colonization.

Except we didn't colonize them. The French and the British did. So why are Arabs flying planes into our buildings and not the Arc de Triumphe? (And gosh, haven't the Arabs done a lot with the Middle East since the French and the British left!)

In another sharks-to-kittens comparison, Obama said, "Now let me be clear, issues of women's equality are by no means simply an issue for Islam." No, he said, "the struggle for women's equality continues in many aspects of American life."

So on one hand, 12-year-old girls are stoned to death for the crime of being raped in Muslim countries. But on the other hand, we still don't have enough female firefighters here in America.

Delusionally, Obama bragged about his multiculti worldview, saying, "I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal."

In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and some other Muslim countries, women "choose" to cover their heads on pain of losing them.

Obama rolled out the crucial liberal talking point against America's invasion of Iraq, saying Iraq was a "war of convenience," while Afghanistan was a "war of necessity." Liberals cling to this nonsense doggerel as a shield against their hypocrisy on Iraq. Either both wars were wars of necessity or both wars were wars of choice.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan -- nor any country -- attacked us on 9/11. Both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as many other Muslim countries, were sheltering those associated with the terrorists who did attack us on 9/11 -- and who hoped to attack us again.

The truth is, all wars are wars of choice, including the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, both World Wars, the Korean and Vietnam Wars, the Gulf War, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. OK, maybe the war on teen obesity is a war of convenience, but that's the only one I can think of.

The modern Democrat Party chooses -- really chooses, not like Saudi women "choosing" to wear hijabs -- to fight no wars. But the Democrats couldn't say that immediately after 9/11, so they pretended to support the war in Afghanistan and then had to spend the next 7 1/2 years trying to come up with a distinction between Afghanistan and Iraq.

Maybe next they can tell us why fighting Hitler -- who never invaded the U.S. and had no plans to do so -- was a "necessity" in a way that fighting Saddam wasn't. (Obama on Hitler: "Nazi ideology sought to subjugate, humiliate and exterminate. It perpetrated murder on a massive scale.")

Whereas Saddam Hussein was just messing with the Kuwaitis, Kurds and Shiites?
Meanwhile, Muslims throughout the Middle East are yearning for their own Saddam Husseins to be taken out by U.S. invaders so they can be liberated, too. (Then we'll see how many women -- outside of an American college campus -- "choose" to wear hijabs.) The war-of-choice/war-of-necessity point must be as mystifying to a Muslim audience as a discussion of gay marriage.

Arabs aren't afraid of us; they're afraid of Iran. But our aspiring Jimmy Carter had no tough words for Iran. To the contrary, in Cairo, Obama endorsed Iran's quest for nuclear "power," while attacking -- brace yourself -- America for helping remove Iranian loon Mohammad Mossadegh.

The CIA's taking out Mossadegh was probably the greatest thing that agency ever did. This was back in 1953, before it became a collection of lawyers and paper-pushers.

Mossadegh was as crazy as a March hare (which is really saying something when your competition is Moammar Gadhafi, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and Saddam Hussein). He gave interviews lying in bed in pink pajamas. He wept, he fainted, and he set his nation on a path of permanent impoverishment by "nationalizing" the oil wells, where they sat idle after the British companies that knew how to operate them pulled out.

But he was earthy and hated the British, so left-wing academics adored Mossadegh. The New York Times compared him to Thomas Jefferson.

True, Mossadegh had been "elected" by the Iranian parliament -- but only in the chaos following the assassination of the sitting prime minister.

In short order, the shah dismissed this clown, but Mossadegh refused to step down, so the CIA forcibly removed him and allowed the shah's choice to assume the office. This "coup," as liberal academics term it, was approved by liberals' favorite Republican president, Dwight Eisenhower, and supported by such ponderous liberal blowhards as John Foster Dulles.

For Obama to be apologizing for one of the CIA's greatest accomplishments isn't just crazy, it's Ramsey Clark crazy.

Obama also said that it was unfair that "some countries have weapons that others do not" and proclaimed that "any nation -- including Iran -- should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."

Wait -- how about us? If a fanatical holocaust denier with messianic delusions can have nuclear power, can't the U.S. at least build one nuclear power plant every 30 years?

I'm sure Iran's compliance will be policed as well as North Korea's was. Clinton struck a much-heralded "peace deal" with North Korea in 1994, giving them $4 billion to construct nuclear facilities and 500,000 tons of fuel oil in return for a promise that they wouldn't build nuclear weapons. The ink wasn't dry before the North Koreans began feverishly building nukes.

But back to Iran, what precisely do Iranians need nuclear power for, again? They're not exactly a manufacturing powerhouse. Iran is a primitive nation in the middle of a desert that happens to sit on top of a large percentage of the world's oil and gas reserves. That's not enough oil and gas to run household fans?

Obama's "I'm OK, You're OK" speech would be hilarious, if it weren't so terrifying.

-by the Libs favorit author, Ann Coulter


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JLEW1818
6/11/2009, 01:27 PM
I'd love to make babies with Ann

Sooner_Havok
6/11/2009, 01:37 PM
Dateline, September 20th 2008, Islamabad.

Coming back from the future on a camel with a Mr. Fusion and a hoverboard attached to it, and wearing really gay rainbow turbins, Islam-terrorists who watched President Obama's show of weakness in Cairo decided to use there knowledge of the future by attacking the Marriott Hotel with a massive suicide car bomb. This attack killed over 60 and injured 250. The blast caused a natural gas leak fire, which destroyed the hotel further.


Makes sense to blame Obama for that one too, doesn't it?

tommieharris91
6/11/2009, 05:32 PM
I'd love to make babies with Ann

I didn't know she had the anatomy to make babies...

Sooner_Havok
6/11/2009, 05:35 PM
I didn't know she had the anatomy to make babies...

I could make an LPGA joke here, but I'm not.

John Kochtoston
6/11/2009, 07:06 PM
I didn't know she had the anatomy to make babies...
Well, one of the two parties involved does need a penis.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 12:17 AM
Any of you above participating G of I types have any comments regarding any of the points Ms Coulter made in the article?

Crucifax Autumn
6/12/2009, 12:32 AM
Personally I think Coulter's as crazy as her friend maher...I tend to be the guy standing on the 50 while they growl at me from their respective end-zones.

yermom
6/12/2009, 12:40 AM
she can try to spin things in her slanted way as much as she wants, she's still possibly the most retarded bitch to ever get an audience for anything.

if she jumped in front of a train it would probably be the best thing she's ever done for the human race in her life.

Crucifax Autumn
6/12/2009, 12:52 AM
She'd break the train!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 01:16 AM
she can try to spin things in her slanted way as much as she wants, she's still possibly the most retarded bitch to ever get an audience for anything.

if she jumped in front of a train it would probably be the best thing she's ever done for the human race in her life.All of her comments are retarded in this article?

Crucifax Autumn
6/12/2009, 01:19 AM
I know you're not asking me but...

No...She generally starts off with common sense then falls into the partisan drivel.

Then she makes another sensible statement and yep...you guessed it...partisan drivel...lather, rinse, repeat.

Much like the other extreme is so good at!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 01:40 AM
I know you're not asking me but...

No...She generally starts off with common sense then falls into the partisan drivel.

Then she makes another sensible statement and yep...you guessed it...partisan drivel...lather, rinse, repeat.

Much like the other extreme is so good at!Gimme an example of her partisan drivel, pls.

def_lazer_fc
6/12/2009, 02:25 AM
if you need an example, its pointless to tell you

yermom
6/12/2009, 08:32 AM
The modern Democrat Party chooses -- really chooses, not like Saudi women "choosing" to wear hijabs -- to fight no wars. But the Democrats couldn't say that immediately after 9/11, so they pretended to support the war in Afghanistan and then had to spend the next 7 1/2 years trying to come up with a distinction between Afghanistan and Iraq.

Maybe next they can tell us why fighting Hitler -- who never invaded the U.S. and had no plans to do so -- was a "necessity" in a way that fighting Saddam wasn't. (Obama on Hitler: "Nazi ideology sought to subjugate, humiliate and exterminate. It perpetrated murder on a massive scale.")

that's a good example. comparing Saddam to Hitler is giving him way too much credit. if this was about genocide and helping the Iraqis, there are plenty of wars we should have already been in. this was about oil and Dollars vs Euros, with some cowboy revenge tossed in there somewhere

she just parrots this ultra ultra right wing bull**** to get people riled up and to sell books. i doubt she actually even believes this crap she spews

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 11:04 AM
that's a good example. comparing Saddam to Hitler is giving him way too much credit. if this was about genocide and helping the Iraqis, there are plenty of wars we should have already been in. this was about oil and Dollars vs Euros, with some cowboy revenge tossed in there somewhere

she just parrots this ultra ultra right wing bull**** to get people riled up and to sell books. i doubt she actually even believes this crap she spewsNear Total Disagreement with your analysis. The Iraqui War is/was about defending America and protecting the economy of the free world(the oil part you got right, but Coulter never said or even insinuated the protection of oil commerce wasn't part of the War in Iraq) Of course she believes what she says. What's difficult to fathom is how the the average American socialist voter still believes that's right for the American people, after seeing the Obama policies, and what they are causing to happen to the country.

yermom
6/12/2009, 11:18 AM
so we attacked Iraq for imperialist reasons, and you are fine with that?

Fraggle145
6/12/2009, 11:52 AM
All of her comments are retarded in this article?

Pretty much. If she could write one word without retarded rhetoric or ****ty satire then maybe we could understand what the **** her point was?

All I got is "My name is Anne Coulter, I have a penis. I hate myself for it, but I blame Obama." or something like that.

She is a dumb bitch.

Fraggle145
6/12/2009, 11:56 AM
Near Total Disagreement with your analysis. The Iraqui War is/was about defending America and protecting the economy of the free world

Other than oil, tell me how the Sadaam Hussein was of any sort of threat to America...

GODDAMN WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!! :texan:

Sooner_Havok
6/12/2009, 12:18 PM
Other than oil, tell me how the Sadaam Hussein was of any sort of threat to America...

GODDAMN WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!! :texan:

One of those shotgun blasts from his balcony was aimed at the MTV satellite.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 02:30 PM
Other than oil, tell me how the Sadaam Hussein was of any sort of threat to America...

GODDAMN WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!! :texan:haha, kinda silly. Besides, what's not vital about protecting the world's economy?

LosAngelesSooner
6/12/2009, 07:14 PM
Anne Coulter is one of the worst Americans ever to live.

Anyone who quotes her seriously or gives her hate speech validity is an idiotic, drooling, un-patriotic hate monger.

AlbqSooner
6/12/2009, 07:23 PM
Anne Coulter is one of the worst Americans ever to live.

Anyone who quotes her seriously or gives her hate speech validity is an idiotic, drooling, un-patriotic hate monger.

Thanks for sharing. :rolleyes:

LosAngelesSooner
6/12/2009, 07:50 PM
You're welcome.

And again, for the record, when she finally dies...I will lift a glass to toast her demise. She's ****ing horrible.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 08:37 PM
Thanks for sharing. :rolleyes:Agreed. The G of I is always welcome in this thread.

Crucifax Autumn
6/12/2009, 09:37 PM
Gimme an example of her partisan drivel, pls.

In this particular case it's the tone of the entire article. It sounds EXACTLY like Bill Maher at the end of his show when he takes off after the last of the night's new rules.

I think the ultimate common sense statement would be to have maher write an equal length article about the exact same thing and then line by line make a statement DIRECTLY between the 2.

There is nothing wrong with diplomacy or showing the fact that every society in the world is at some turning point in women's rights or religious freedom. If this was maher he'd be stating something equally ridiculous from the viewpoint that maybe women are less free here or that we are less tolerant religiously.

The truth is actually not too far from what Obama was saying that women still struggle for certain equality here while they struggle for certain freedoms there.

Coulter or Maher would choose to go over the top and claim some extreme that would make either Obama or someone like Pat Buchanon or Newt Gingrich seem centrist. Meanwhile Obama or someone like say, McCain could learn a thing or 10 from true centrists and make their speeches free of the silliness that seems to be required to make any kind of "splash" in the Washington crowd.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/12/2009, 11:59 PM
In this particular case it's the tone of the entire article. It sounds EXACTLY like Bill Maher at the end of his show when he takes off after the last of the night's new rules.

I think the ultimate common sense statement would be to have maher write an equal length article about the exact same thing and then line by line make a statement DIRECTLY between the 2.

There is nothing wrong with diplomacy or showing the fact that every society in the world is at some turning point in women's rights or religious freedom. If this was maher he'd be stating something equally ridiculous from the viewpoint that maybe women are less free here or that we are less tolerant religiously.

The truth is actually not too far from what Obama was saying that women still struggle for certain equality here while they struggle for certain freedoms there.

Coulter or Maher would choose to go over the top and claim some extreme that would make either Obama or someone like Pat Buchanon or Newt Gingrich seem centrist. Meanwhile Obama or someone like say, McCain could learn a thing or 10 from true centrists and make their speeches free of the silliness that seems to be required to make any kind of "splash" in the Washington crowd.Huh? What do you think Coulter said in her article that you disagree with?

Fraggle145
6/13/2009, 01:02 AM
haha, kinda silly. Besides, what's not vital about protecting the world's economy?

Umm so like I said besides Oil what threat did Iraq pose to America?

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 01:48 AM
Rush...I agree with much of what you post here...I also disagree with much of it.

i think it's clear what my issue with her is from my post.

She tows the psrty line and takes it to silly and sarcastic extremes for attention. Plenty of dickhead far left lib commentary suffers from the same problems.

I'm of the opinion that people like Coulter and people like, I dunno, Al Franken, probably might seem more reasonable if they looked to the niffle instead of grasping for extremes.

But that's just me. Like I said...Some of my beliefs lay in your direction. Others lean toward the left. I figure if I take both and move to the center I can keep myself in balance and closer to the good of the world.

Gandalf_The_Grey
6/13/2009, 07:03 AM
I find it ironic that conservative get pissed at Jon Stewart for taking one line out of context from a whole speech but then Coulter can sit there and pick out 6 words from his speech and call him a Nazi America Hater.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 11:24 AM
Coulter can sit there and pick out 6 words from his speech and call him a Nazi America Hater.What are you referring to?

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 11:59 AM
Umm so like I said besides Oil what threat did Iraq pose to America?If, by now you don't know, disavow, or aren't convinced, then maybe you never will be. Besides, what about the oil threat wasn't vital?

Fraggle145
6/13/2009, 12:13 PM
If, by now you don't know, disavow, or aren't convinced, then maybe you never will be. Besides, what about the oil threat wasn't vital?

So basically you are saying either you dont know, or there wasn't a threat to America.

JMHO, but if you cant address a point competently maybe you shouldnt talk about it so much.

Or you are saying we attacked Iraq for oil to save our economy and it pretty much had the opposite effect.

I think the economic crunch and then the drop in gas prices showed pretty clearly that the oil "crisis" had nothing to do with availability/demand and was all tied up in futures and all that stock crap.

But keep drinking Rush and Coulter's koolaid seems to be working out for ya.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 12:28 PM
So basically you are saying either you dont know, or there wasn't a threat to America.

JMHO, but if you cant address a point competently maybe you shouldnt talk about it so much.

Or you are saying we attacked Iraq for oil to save our economy and it pretty much had the opposite effect.

I think the economic crunch and then the drop in gas prices showed pretty clearly that the oil "crisis" had nothing to do with availability/demand and was all tied up in futures and all that stock crap.

But keep drinking Rush and Coulter's koolaid seems to be working out for ya.Numerous discussions already regarding WMD in Iraq, movement of them to other countries before we went in, congressional agreement they were there, based on all available intelligence, etc. You can pretend that wasn't the case, or anything you want. Are you even insinuating America going into Iraq had an adverse effect on the American conomy?

I will rephrase the original question for you. What about protecting the flow of oil in the middle East that Sadaam Hussein threatened wasn't VITAL to American interests, and the entire "free" world?

Gandalf_The_Grey
6/13/2009, 02:45 PM
My opinion is that for the longest time our Presidents have spoken to this region with a holier than thou attitude and almost like they were 8 year old children. I see nothing with Obama speaking to them as if they are reasoned adults who might just see that change might be necessary. The women's right thing deals with that. He wasn't saying that America has the same problems as this area, but was in essence saying "Hey America is not perfect by any stretch of anyone's imagination but we are working every day to improve in these areas, why don't you guys work with us." The comments about their intelligence and wit show that as a country we can respect the type of advances whether they be from a Jew, Christian, or Muslim. What Coulter does here is she takes him out of context and turns it into oh America is Evil! All he is telling this region is that we have made and will make mistakes but that we must grow as groups so that the whole world doesn't melt down.

Fraggle145
6/13/2009, 02:50 PM
Numerous discussions already regarding WMD in Iraq, movement of them to other countries before we went in, congressional agreement they were there, based on all available intelligence, etc. You can pretend that wasn't the case, or anything you want. Are you even insinuating America going into Iraq had an adverse effect on the American conomy?

I will rephrase the original question for you. What about protecting the flow of oil in the middle East that Sadaam Hussein threatened wasn't VITAL to American interests, and the entire "free" world?

Dont you think that if Sadaam had a WMD he would have used it on us when we invaded? I think the idea that Sadaam had WMD is a joke. I have yet to see where congress agreed that they were there. If you can show me valid evidence that this is true then I'll change my tune.

I think the war has cost our economy. How can you say it hasnt? War is expensive no matter how you slice it.

If it was so vital to our interests and the world in general's interests why didnt we receive more support going in?

All I am saying is to say that we absolutely had to go to war and were completely justified in Iraq, especially is an overstatement at best.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 03:29 PM
Dont you think that if Sadaam had a WMD he would have used it on us when we invaded? I think the idea that Sadaam had WMD is a joke. I have yet to see where congress agreed that they were there. If you can show me valid evidence that this is true then I'll change my tune.

I think the war has cost our economy. How can you say it hasnt? War is expensive no matter how you slice it.

If it was so vital to our interests and the world in general's interests why didnt we receive more support going in?

All I am saying is to say that we absolutely had to go to war and were completely justified in Iraq, especially is an overstatement at best.There were approvals and committments Bush got from congress and the beloved UN, as well. If you don't think so, you can dig up the evidence.

What caused our economy to tank was all the unsound mortgage lending. Did I say the war doesn't have a cost? It was deemed a measure to protect against a worldwide economic shutdown, and to help fight Islamic Terrorism, to help protect the United States. I am fine with anyone disagreeing on the need to invade Iraq. I am good with Bush's decision to do that. There are many things Bush did wrong as President., but I don't believe that was one of them.

mdklatt
6/13/2009, 05:15 PM
So on one hand, 12-year-old girls are stoned to death for the crime of being raped in Muslim countries. But on the other hand, we still don't have enough female firefighters here in America.

Yeah, take that American women. It's not like we stone you. Quit your bitchin' and get back in the kitchen.

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 06:04 PM
Rush...I'll say it again. This particular piece from Coulter displays an overall tone that is condescending. It's not really any particular thing she says so much as basically talking down on anyone in the audience that doesn't agree and shying away from the overall content of what Obama said. I don't disagree with everything shae says or agree either. I just feel that the American people would be better served my commentary that doesn't selectively pick apart the content it's commenting on to achieve a predetermined editorial standpoint. And again, that goes for both sides of the political spectrum.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 08:03 PM
Rush...I'll say it again. This particular piece from Coulter displays an overall tone that is condescending. It's not really any particular thing she says so much as basically talking down on anyone in the audience that doesn't agree and shying away from the overall content of what Obama said. I don't disagree with everything shae says or agree either. I just feel that the American people would be better served my commentary that doesn't selectively pick apart the content it's commenting on to achieve a predetermined editorial standpoint. And again, that goes for both sides of the political spectrum.She doesn't have a lot of respect for leftists. That is true. However, point out something she said that is wrong.

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 08:08 PM
That's seriously not my point. Some of it is misleading but not directly wrong...just so much of it is the shrill overreaction that I'm personally kinda tired of in politics and I'm a guy that almost cried when they cancelled Crossfire! lol

I seriously am to the point that I find both extremes tiresome regardless of how "right" they may be on the particular topic.

I seriously doubt I am alone in this despite the fact that I haven't thrown a babyfit and "resigned" saying the loony left or the righteous right are "ruining the South Oval" or any such bullshat.

I enjoy some of the arguments here but I also feel that the high profile people in the assorted media probably oughtta sound a little less crazy than all of us!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 08:17 PM
That's seriously not my point. Some of it is misleading but not directly wrong...just so much of it is the shrill overreaction that I'm personally kinda tired of in politics and I'm a guy that almost cried when they cancelled Crossfire! lol

I seriously am to the point that I find both extremes tiresome regardless of how "right" they may be on the particular topic.

I seriously doubt I am alone in this despite the fact that I haven't thrown a babyfit and "resigned" saying the loony left or the righteous right are "ruining the South Oval" or any such bullshat.

I enjoy some of the arguments here but I also feel that the high profile people in the assorted media probably oughtta sound a little less crazy than all of us!Republican politicians, even the good ones, don't have the refreshing chutzpah to call out the dems and their media like Ann and just a few other people. That's just my preference. Obviously not yours.

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 08:25 PM
Now see..On that I agree. For whatever reason the Republicans seem content to just let the Coulters of the world fight their battles. I don't know what happened to them. It seems like they used to have balls and now they just rol over on most everything.

They really need a leader to rally behind and no one seems to be emerging.

If Will Rogers were alive today that organized political party joke would probably end with "I'm a republican"

Maybe you need to enter into politics!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 08:39 PM
Now see..On that I agree. For whatever reason the Republicans seem content to just let the Coulters of the world fight their battles. I don't know what happened to them. It seems like they used to have balls and now they just rol over on most everything.

They really need a leader to rally behind and no one seems to be emerging.

If Will Rogers were alive today that organized political party joke would probably end with "I'm a republican"

Maybe you need to enter into politics!Shirley you have noticed the abuse that conservatives get. Not many people are willing to put up with that...myself included.

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 08:43 PM
Can't blame you there!

I wouldn't want to be a high profile politician on either side of the aisle. The 90s were pretty harsh on the dems and this decade has been pretty tough on the pubs.

Makes me wonder about the party switchers out there...surely they know it's about to flip again and all the heat will be on the dems.

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 09:23 PM
In regards to your last spek comment I'd have to say that's why the pubs need a true leader to organize them.

It truly was once the Dem's weakness that they were the disorganized ones. It cost them one if not 2 losses to Bush before they learned to be more organized and united. The odd part of this is that a lot of the tactics they learned from the Bush campaigns and this last election McCain's camp just seemed to abandon all the strategies that had worked so well before.

I'm sure an unpopular war and some of the "change" message had something to do with it too, but if they'd been as focused and relentless as the previous 2 campaigns they would have won easily IMO since technically Obama won with a change message against a non-incumbent which is really quite a trick if you think about it.

The pubs need someone willing to engage in fiery debate without being flat hateful and they can start getting their **** together again. I know there has to be someone in that party left who can pull off a commanding presence without belittling the opponent in a way that turns off a large segment of the voters.

Mixer!
6/13/2009, 10:02 PM
And don't call him "Shirley". :)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7417/airplane.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airplane.jpg)

Crucifax Autumn
6/13/2009, 10:06 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/13/2009, 10:09 PM
And don't call him "Shirley". :)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7417/airplane.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airplane.jpg)You got that right!

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/16/2009, 01:54 AM
Is it possible that not all SF readers have seen this thread yet?

Gandalf_The_Grey
6/16/2009, 05:35 AM
Most SF readers ignore threads you start ;)

RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!
6/16/2009, 10:10 AM
Most SF readers ignore threads you start ;)haha. I will admit that not many of the G of I have participated.