There's always gotta be a jerk.......

[Salt City Sooner]

GREAT timing Mr. Woodling. :


Wayman Tisdale always will be remembered as a bit player in one of the ugliest incidents in the history of Kansas University’s Allen Fieldhouse.

Tisdale, who died Friday at the age of 44, was among several Oklahoma University basketball players who cut down the nets in the KU arena following a victory over the Jayhawks.

KU fans who were there will never forget the temerity of the Sooners on that late February night in 1984 after OU had posted a 92-82 overtime victory and clinched at least a tie for the Big Eight regular-season title.

“They’re a great team,” first-year KU coach Larry Brown said. “I wish they acted like a great team. I’ve never seen a team cut down the nets on a visiting court.”

But the net snippage was just part of the Sooners’ shabby shtick.

With only eight seconds remaining in the OT and the Sooners leading, 92-80, OU coach Billy Tubbs called a timeout with the apparent purpose of rubbing the KU’s fans’ noses in it.

During that break, OU players and coaches waved at the crowd — some reportedly using the derisive middle-finger gesture — and a few of the fans responded by throwing ice and cups on the floor.

Mark Turgeon, now coach at Texas A&M and then a KU freshman guard, summed up the Jayhawks’ feelings when he called the Sooners’ antics “ridiculous.”

The controversial Tubbs, meanwhile, offered no apologies for his and his players’ behavior, insinuating the KU fans deserved it for the way he had been treated while waiting to do a halftime interview on the regionally televised game.

“I got whomped up the side of the head five or six times,” Tubbs told the Daily Oklahoman newspaper. “I got spit on. I got water and Coke and I don’t know what all else thrown at me.”

Tubbs, who also complained about the poor Allen Fieldhouse security, ended his diatribe by saying: “Some of those people ought to have been hauled down to the county jail.”

Kansas officials were as furious about Tubbs’ security remarks as they were about the Sooners’ overtime and post-game deportment, stressing that six officers — three in plainclothes — were assigned to the visiting team.

A few days later, Oklahoma won the Big Eight title outright, and guard Tim McCalister said: “We know were the most hated team in the Big Eight.”

Few begged to differ, but the Sooners would receive a comeuppance, and soon. Following their hijinks at Kansas, Brown had said, “The world is round,” meaning that what goes around comes around.

Sure enough, less than three weeks later, KU and Oklahoma met again in the championship game of the Big Eight tournament at Kansas City’s Kemper Arena. Final score: Kansas 79, Oklahoma 78.

Then, four years later, Brown and the KU faithful enjoyed the ultimate atonement when the underdog Jayhawks shocked Tubbs’ Sooners, 83-79, in the NCAA championship game, also at Kemper Arena.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/may/16/tisdale-hand-net-cutting/

[Bosley]

I just wrote the head editor. I suggest you all do the same. That really bothered me reading that.

[Eielson]

The whole Tubbs story made me laugh...but I really hope I'm reading this article wrong. Is he actually sick enough to say "what goes around comes around," you embarassed us so you deserve to die of cancer?

[soonervegas]

Don't worry about it. Someone who takes sports that serious has a miserable existence. By the comments section it looks like the jayhawks already ripped him a new one.

[NMSooner'80]

My first reaction when I saw the header on this post was that it was a typical hack-job by former Mizzou Antler Randy Holtz (formerly of the Rocky Mountain News). My second guess would have been a Jayhawk homer. :rant :rant

Here's the fool's bio. I really hope he has the guts to show up in Norman in 2011 and becomes the first columnist to ever need a police escort. His face is included in this link: http://www2.ljworld.com/staff/chuck_woodling/

[SoonerShark]

But weren't the National Championship Jayhawks of 1988 shortly thereafter put on probation due to the actions of the program under coach Larry Brownstain? Then Brownstain left town, after saying he was staying, then quitting, then staying, etc. But after it all, the Hawks were on probation. What goes around comes around then leaves town under a cloud of disgrace.

[SoonerShark]

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/11/sports/sports-of-the-times-brown-skips-town-again.html

November 11, 1988
Sports of The Times; Brown Skips Town, Again
By DAVE ANDERSON
MINUTES earlier, the University of Kansas basketball team had lost to Duke, 71-67, in the semifinals of the 1986 N.C.A.A. championship. But now, in a gloomy gray hallway of the Reunion Arena in Dallas, the Jayhawks' coach, Larry Brown, was already looking ahead to the next season.

''We're going to be a quality team next year,'' he said. ''We've got some great kids coming in.''

Among those ''great kids'' would be Vincent Askew, a Memphis State player who that summer attended classes at Kansas with the idea of transferring there. Askew later changed his mind. But while Askew was pondering his future, Brown and those who rode shotgun for him on the Kansas stagecoach spent at least $1,244 on Askew in violation of National Collegiate Athletic Association recruiting rules.

As part of its three-year probation, Kansas is now barred from defending the national championship it won last season, the first college ever to be so humiliated.

But the culprit won't stand trial. Like so many other times when the police knocked on his door, Larry Brown had skipped town. In a way, he even skipped the country. As the new coach of the San Antonio Spurs, he can't be extradited from the National Basketball Association to be punished for the Kansas crimes that he tried to minimize last week.

''The saddest thing about it is that they spent two years on this thing,'' Brown said, alluding to the N.C.A.A. detectives. ''And when I left Kansas to come to San Antonio I was led to believe this was no big deal. I now realize that every time you are investigated by the N.C.A.A. it's a big deal.''

Brown acknowledged that he had handed $364 to Askew for a round-trip ticket to visit his ailing grandmother, who died not long after that.

''I'd give it to anybody if they told me his grandmother was passing away,'' Brown said. ''It was something I wasn't trying to hide.''

But as it develops now, Askew also received $350 to pay an aunt's phone bill and $183 for another plane ticket. So the saddest thing about it is that if Larry Brown didn't know what was going on, he should have. His delivery man for those payments to Askew occasionally slept in his Lawrence, Kan., home.

ACCORDING to the Nov. 14 issue of Sports Illustrated, the delivery man was 26-year-old Mike Marshall, a former Kansas player who sometimes lived at Brown's home.

Brown is now trying to disassociate himself from him, saying: ''Mike Marshall has been living off me. He adopted me years ago.'' But among Kansas basketball people Marshall was known as the coach's ''black son.'' Two other Kansas boosters have also been identified as being involved: Jerry Collins, a K.U. television producer now on the Spurs' staff, and Ralph Light, a construction executive.

For years boosters have been as much to blame as coaches for recruiting violations. And with boosters like that, Kansas didn't need detractors.

Marshall aspires to be a coach. But for a reputable college to hire him now, it would be like hiring Willie Sutton to guard a bank.

After two seasons at a Wyoming junior college, Marshall transferred to Kansas, where he was a guard on two of Brown's teams. He then transferred to McNeese State before that Lake Charles, La., college was put on probation for improper payments to players. One of those McNeese players was Marshall, who reportedly acknowledged depositing $15,515.44, most of it from McNeese boosters, in the Lakeside National Bank in Lake Charles in only six months.

While in Lawrence in recent years, Marshall also lent Danny Manning small sums that the all-America forward repaid. The N.C.A.A. will also look into this and could reopen the investigation.

None of the players, including Manning, on last season's championship team were cited in the N.C.A.A. report. But the Marshall-Askew connection was enough not only to put Kansas on probation but also to consider the ''death penalty,'' the shutdown of its basketball program for a year.

THE Marshall-Askew connection was another reminder that, in skipping town, Brown again left his garbage strewn around the neighborhood streets. He did that in 1984 when the New Jersey Nets' owner, Joe Taub, fired him for secretly negotiating for the Kansas job while his N.B.A. team was driving for the playoffs. He did that in 1981 when, nine months after he joined the Nets, U.C.L.A. was put on probation for two years.

Of the nine U.C.L.A. recruiting violations, four occurred during Brown's two seasons there following his disenchantment with the Denver Nuggets.

''You say something to one of the pros and they question your motives,'' Brown said during the 1980 Final Four. ''But college kids, if they know you care, they listen to you.''

As a college coach, Brown soiled basketball shrines: U.C.L.A., where John Wooden had a record 10 national championship teams in 12 years, and Kansas, where the legendary Phog Allen had been a disciple of Dr. James Naismith, the game's inventor nearly a century ago.

But now Brown has abandoned his Kansas shrine and the college ''kids,'' as he and so many other coaches call them, and returned to the N.B.A. for a five-year $3.5 million contract.

As the Spurs' coach, Brown had hoped that David Robinson, the naval ensign who played for the Olympic team in Seoul, South Korea, would be granted an early discharge in time for this season. But the Secretary of the Navy recently ruled that Robinson must complete his commitment. Now the Spurs and their coach must suffer for another year without the 7-foot center, a purgatory that Kansas must relish.

But the Spurs must be wondering how much garbage Larry Brown will leave strewn behind when, sooner or later, he also skips town there.

[SoonerShark]

Let's see...we cut down some nets in 1984 after winning a championship in conference, make .33 (33/100) extra cell phone calls per day and we are in disgrace, but KU pays players, wins a national championships and is a bastion of integrity.

[Eielson]

Larry Brown embarassed this whole country in 2004.

[NMSooner'80]

I e-mailed the link to one of the guys at the Daily O that I know. I hope they rip this clown a new one.

Seriously, I doubt he'll ever set foot in Norman again, not even in 2011 when KU is scheduled to come back.

It is somewhat heartening to see that KU fans were almost 100% offended also. That one guy, though who posted early on that "Tisdale was still a thug" needs to be pummeled by every one of Wayman's old teammates.

[setem]

I don't even know why Tisdale had to be mentioned in that article! If you take that part out it does the job. What a POS!

[badger]

I don't even know why Tisdale had to be mentioned in that article! If you take that part out it does the job. What a POS!

I suppose it's not news if Tisdale's not mentioned. I mean, OU hasn't played Kansas in basketball for the past few months, it's not like we're about to for the next several months and... OK, that's pretty much it.

What bothers me about this story is that it makes out Kansas to be a victim here, when Wayman's family and friends are in mourning right now. Kansas is not a victim when it's just about the result of some basketball game that happened about 25 years ago... Kansas was just a loser that day, not a victim.

[sooner ngintunr]

Last time I checked there was no such institution named Kansas University, or Oklahoma University for that matter.


This guy is obviously a ****stick.

[NMSooner'80]

It's almost 2:15 pm. in Oklahoma. Have the local talk shows mentioned this heinous piece of manure from Woodling yet?

[tigepilot]

I do find it annoying when someone that lived his life as a total *** dies, suddenly everyone has something nice to say and nothing bad. If someone was truly a bad person, we should be able to say so. However...

This is NOT one of those cases. By all accounts Waymon Tisdale was one of the best there was and I'm not talking about basketball/music skills either.

At worst if he was going to talk about something 'bad' Tisdale did 25 years ago when he was 19, he should also play a little more attention to not only the circumstances in which the incident occurred (the KU fans weren't all that innocent) but mainly he should also talk about all the good things Tisdale was known for since then.

This man and the editor that approved the story should be fired. This is disgusting.

[SCxxSOONER]

What a disrespectful ***!! Wayman was not only the best basketball player to ever play at OU, but he was also one of the best ambassadors for this univerisity. He truly loved OU. The Tisdale family and countless others are mourning his death and this asshat has the nerve to post something like this?? I will be writing the editor. Worthless son of a bitch!

[SoonerShark]

[QUOTE=tigepilot;2617085]I do find it annoying when someone that lived his life as a total *** dies, suddenly everyone has something nice to say and nothing bad. If someone was truly a bad person, we should be able to say so. QUOTE]

At a friend's father's funeral in 1999 it was alluded to that he had belligerent moments when he was drinking. He had been married for 57 years or so at the time of his death and his wife survived him by almost 10 years. He was not lambasted and was loved by his family but he was not deified at his remembrance service.

[NMSooner'80]

At worst if he was going to talk about something 'bad' Tisdale did 25 years ago when he was 19, he should also play a little more attention to not only the circumstances in which the incident occurred (the KU fans weren't all that innocent) but mainly he should also talk about all the good things Tisdale was known for since then.

This man and the editor that approved the story should be fired. This is disgusting.


I didn't live in Oklahoma in February of '84, at the time of the "incident," but I did hear a lot about it when I moved to OKC in May of that year. I also have it on very good authority that (A) no "finger" was thrown by anyone, and (B) the KU crowd was far from classy themselves. But, that was also at a time when the Oklahoma media didn't always cover road games, so they got the one side of the story from the pro-KU people and didn't stick up for OU like they should have.

[tigepilot]

[QUOTE=tigepilot;2617085]I do find it annoying when someone that lived his life as a total *** dies, suddenly everyone has something nice to say and nothing bad. If someone was truly a bad person, we should be able to say so. QUOTE]

At a friend's father's funeral in 1999 it was alluded to that he had belligerent moments when he was drinking. He had been married for 57 years or so at the time of his death and his wife survived him by almost 10 years. He was not lambasted and was loved by his family but he was not deified at his remembrance service.

Yes, that's what I mean. There's a decent way of mentioning someone's faults when referring to the recently deceased. This was not it. He actually says Tisdale will always be remembered for this incident. REALLY!!!

Has anyone heard if there's been any official apology from this publication.

[jdsooner]

KU? PU!

[picasso]

I will never forget Mark Turdgeon doing the cabbage patch at mid court just after beating us in the '88 final.
To this day I would gladly dropkick that midget in the junk and score a 50 yard field goal.

[Scott D]

Larry Brown embarassed this whole country in 2004.

:rolleyes: silly laker fan.

[Scott D]

the responses from his article today on the KU athletic dept. are amusing


Why are you ragging on the KU Athletic Program? Did someone there recently die of cancer?

[Sooner04]

:rolleyes: silly laker fan.
Are you sure he isn't referring to the debacle that was the '04 Olympics?

[badger]

Are you sure he isn't referring to the debacle that was the '04 Olympics?

tee hee... the one year the all-nba team can't win the gold :D

[Eielson]

Are you sure he isn't referring to the debacle that was the '04 Olympics?

The Olympics is what I was referring to.

[Scott D]

Are you sure he isn't referring to the debacle that was the '04 Olympics?

I'm pretty sure the Olympics were cancelled in '04 ;)

[NMSooner'80]

Still wondering if Woodling has received his well-deserved roasting on Oklahoma sports talk radio....

[Sooner04]

NMSooner'80,

I think the guy had an agenda when he wrote the column. If he could stir the storm a bit and get his name thrown out in the public eye then all the better. The chirping crickets his piece met in the national news, coupled with the biting criticism he received on his own website, is probably the worst case scenario for him.

There are jerks in all walks, that's for sure. To pull that story out of the mothballs at this time shows what kind of pitiful, sorry man sits behind the nameplate on his desk. I think we'd all be in good shape if we continue to let his sorry column remain in its true resting place: the muck.

[meoveryouxinfinity]

I just wrote the head editor. I suggest you all do the same. That really bothered me reading that.

DONE.

Mr. Woodling,
I found your article on Mr. Tisdale's passing to be extremely distasteful and contrived. I don't know how much feedback you receive about your articles, but I would like you to know how genuinely offended I am by your recent tirade. Do some research, get to know the real Wayman, and hopefully you could come up with something better than that. I have never read something so one-sided and bitter in the wake of someone's tragic death. A man much younger than yourself, you should congratulate Wayman's triumphs in his short life.
Sincerely,
Reader

[NMSooner'80]

NMSooner'80,

I think the guy had an agenda when he wrote the column. If he could stir the storm a bit and get his name thrown out in the public eye then all the better. The chirping crickets his piece met in the national news, coupled with the biting criticism he received on his own website, is probably the worst case scenario for him.

There are jerks in all walks, that's for sure. To pull that story out of the mothballs at this time shows what kind of pitiful, sorry man sits behind the nameplate on his desk. I think we'd all be in good shape if we continue to let his sorry column remain in its true resting place: the muck.

Agree 100% on his being a pitiful, sorry man. I am also impressed that his own readership, except for at least one similar-thinking jerk, got on his case. I was just hoping the OKC guy would rip him, instead of defending him or "seeing his point...."

[stoopified]

I have been known to hold a few sports grudges in my life(Orange Cows,Cowpukes,Crying Irish)BUT I cannot even begin to imagine what type of bitter,twisted, sycophant could mark a man's tragic passing by typing such putid garbage.

[Scott D]

I have been known to hold a few sports grudges in my life(Orange Cows,Cowpukes,Crying Irish)BUT I cannot even begin to imagine what type of bitter,twisted, sycophant could mark a man's tragic passing by typing such putid garbage.

from his other articles he's one of those types that looks for the negative in every situation. Must be that being raised in KC, Missouri and spending 2 years at Mizzou before ending up in Lawrence that did it. I have a feeling that his 'semi-retirement' that he's in wasn't necessarily by choice.

[JLEW1818]

IN THE GENERAL SPORTS FORUM, PLEASE GO VOTE WHO WINS THE NBA FINALS AND OVER WHO. YOU WILL SEE THE THREAD.