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Collier11
4/22/2009, 09:40 PM
I cant say that I disagree after reading the article, if your goal is to make the NBA then he will get better prepared this way, I just hope this doesnt open up the floodgates


http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AqiZUN9CntSIw76yf859fC85nYcB?slug=dw-tyler042209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


One giant leap for Tyler
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

Jeremy Tyler has decided to forgo his senior year of high school and turn pro.

Yes, high school.

This isn’t some sign of the sporting apocalypse or a teenager with an overvalued sense of worth. It’s a daring, trailblazing yet well-thought out move that challenges the bizarre way America develops amateur basketball players.

Tyler is an agile 6-11, 260-pound San Diego native, the nation’s top player in the junior class who already committed to the University of Louisville. He’s as close to a can’t-miss NBA prospect as there is; a tantalizing mix of size, speed and smarts. Scouts project him to be the No. 1 pick in the 2011 draft, when he’s eligible under the NBA’s age requirements.

In the meantime, Jeremy Tyler’s options were to:

1. Spend the next year at his local school, San Diego High, where he faces quadruple teams and isn’t experiencing much development; or

2. Transfer to a basketball factory in some rural outpost back East which has a big-time team but resembles a traditional high school in name only; and then

3. Play college ball for a few months dealing with NCAA limitations on practice time and coaching contact while competing against many of the same guys he has the last few years.

All for free, of course.




“I know I can do great things with my talent. My goal in life is to get better. Playing with the pro guys will get me a lot better faster. It will help me fulfill my dreams of playing in the NBA.”

– Jeremy Tyler

Instead Jeremy and his father, James, who owns his own home improvement company and is about to open a family restaurant, surveyed the traditional route, decided it made little sense, and went looking for a new plan. They called retired sneaker executive and hoops deal maker Sonny Vaccaro and plotted a course for Europe.

It isn’t the easy way – hanging out in high school, AAU and college is safer and far less demanding – but it is what they believe will be the best way to prepare for the NBA. It’s exactly what a teenager of comparable talent would do if they were pursuing a career in music, acting, tennis, hockey or even academics.

“It may not be the best way to get to the NBA, but it’s the best way to get ready for the NBA,” Jeremy Tyler told Yahoo! Sports this week. His decision was first reported by the New York Times.

“I know I can do great things with my talent,” Tyler continued. “My goal in life is to get better. Playing with the pro guys will get me a lot better faster. It will help me fulfill my dreams of playing in the NBA.”

Over the next couple of weeks the Tylers said they will hire a financial planner and professional sports agent and pursue early feelers from professional teams in Spain, Italy and Israel. Jeremy Tyler is likely to receive a contract worth at least a few hundred thousands of dollars a year and could sign endorsement contracts worth at least that.

The plan is to live abroad the next two years, with his father and an uncle taking turns staying with him. “He’ll never be alone,” James said.

Tyler will play against the grown men who can challenge a player of his size and potential. Away from the court he’ll be home-schooled, earn a GED and return in two seasons when he’s eligible for the 2011 draft.

By then, Jeremy Tyler figures, he’ll be a much better player and person; having learned from top coaches, enjoyed unlimited practice time and broadened his horizons in a foreign land. He calls it “a dream job” and isn’t the slightest bit nostalgic for homecoming, prom or missing out on college hoops.

And while he’ll earn a great deal of money, he says his chief motivation is to make himself the best prospect possible for the even greater amount waiting in the NBA.



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In basketball terms, it’s a no brainer. The only risk is exposure at the hands of superior competition. Tyler could just stay in the States and hide his weaknesses against smaller, less-talented opponents.

“His game will be picked apart [by scouts], but long-term it’s much better for his development as a player,” said one Western Conference general manager, who can’t comment publicly due to NBA rules. “It’s a bold move, but I’ve seen tape and that kid could play in the NBA right now. He’s an incredible talent.”

Jeremy Tyler said he wants his shortcomings exposed so he can work on them in the same European professional leagues that have produced dozens of NBA players.

This June’s draft will bring more, including Brandon Jennings, a guard from Compton, Calif., who skipped his freshman season of college to play in Italy. Despite predictable challenges on and off the court, Jennings is returning as a projected lottery pick. NBA front offices said they value his experience more than that of a college freshman.



“He was bored in high school. He said that every game. [He’d] just get the rebound and shoot it back in the hole. I said, ‘we’re wasting this guy’s time. He’s not getting the challenge he deserves.’ As a parent, all you want to see is your kid strive to be his best.”

– James Tyler, Jeremy’s father

Then there’s Spain’s 18-year old Ricky Rubio, expected to be the No. 2 pick in June’s draft. He turned pro at age 14 and at 17 was an Olympic starter holding his own against Team USA.

“For a 14-year-old overseas to be able to make money to play the same sport I’m playing, I think it’s only fair to have the same opportunity,” Jeremy Tyler said. “If you have a talent, you should be able to use it. If college is not going to help you at any stage, it’s a little unfair.”

The college is not going to help you part is where Jeremy, who is polished beyond his years, understands the criticism will come from.

He and his father are bracing for an establishment backlash that fails to appreciate their motivation, determination and appreciation of the intrinsic value of education. They think most of it will be designed to protect the billion-dollar business of amateur basketball.

“It’s just the old way of doing things and no one wants to swallow the pill of change,” James Tyler said. “Basketball is an American sport and they want the kids to go through the channels. And I think there is so much money generated in collegiate sports that they don’t want that interrupted.

“It’s a double standard.”

It won’t help the NCAA if top prospects flee to Europe to develop their games rather than add star power to March Madness.

College hoops was rescued from a long talent drain when in 2005 the NBA enacted an age limit that prohibited American players, but not foreigners, from entering the draft until one year after their high school class graduated.

That has led to a push of young stars in college basketball for one year, even if their commitment to being a “student-athlete” is often dubious. To be eligible for a season, a kid needs to earn just two D’s in the fall semester. He can fail, or not even show up for, every other class his freshman year and drop out immediately after the season.

Jeremy Tyler insists he’s on solid academic ground and isn’t going to Europe to avoid school work. The family informed Cardinals coach Rick Pitino about the decision.

“Education will always be there,” Jeremy said. “It doesn’t matter if I get it now or in three years. I can always go back. I’ll always have that to fall back on. I want to have a degree in business management.”

“Give me the day Harvard is going to close and then I’ll reconsider,” said James, who attended Mississippi Valley State but didn’t graduate. “He can always go back to school. It’s all learning. How is living in Europe not a learning experience?”



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Sonny Vaccaro, 69, spent four decades as a powerful sneaker executive and basketball middle man, doing everything from signing Michael Jordan to Nike and Kobe Bryant to adidas, to creating what is now known as national grassroots basketball (high level AAU and high school teams).

He has little patience with college basketball, which after years with an inside view, he calls exploitative and dishonest. As a long-time fighter for player rights, he thinks the NBA’s age limit is criminal.



Jeremy Tyler at Day 3 of the LeBron James Skills Academy.
(Photo courtesy Kelly Kline)

A year ago he helped Jennings and his mother head to Rome and this winter fielded calls from at least a dozen families who considered doing the same.

That included James Tyler, who watched his man-child of a son get little out of high school ball, where his local school has few good players allowing defenses to descend on Jeremy. He contrasted that with the week Jeremy spent last summer at the Amare Stoudemire big man camp, where he was more aggressive and improved almost by the hour.

“He was bored in high school,” James said. “He said that every game. [He’d] just get the rebound and shoot it back in the hole. I said, ‘we’re wasting this guy’s time. He’s not getting the challenge he deserves.’ As a parent, all you want to see is your kid strive to be his best.”

Rather than choose to send his son off to a diploma mill with a killer basketball team back East – for some reason perfectly acceptable by the establishment – he and his son looked to Europe.

Jennings opened the door to Europe, Vaccaro said. Jeremy Tyler is taking it to the next level.

“I always wanted someone to do this,” Vaccaro said. “It’s amazing to me this kid from San Diego has the guts to do this, to take on all these establishment people like this.”

James Tyler said this isn’t about cashing in on his son. If he wanted to do that, he could’ve accepted under the table payments from agents or college coaches.

“Financially we don’t need anything from him. I can provide for him,” James said, before laughing. “And that’s saying something [because] he’s a seven-foot kid that eats a lot.

“If you know Jeremy, you know this kid is going to excel,” James said. “Why would we waste his time holding him back? Kobe [Bryant] was only 17 [when he went pro] and he blossomed. And LeBron [James] blossomed. [Dwight] Howard blossomed. Why not give my son that chance?”

Jeremy hopes others take a look at the European option and consider it. Why mindlessly follow a system designed to enrich and reward everyone but the player?

He said he didn’t set out to be a revolutionary. He is one anyway.

In the future the news of a kid forgoing his senior year of high school might not sound so shocking.

tommieharris91
4/22/2009, 10:02 PM
You can thank Brandon Jennings for this. What's really sad is that Jennings sucked in Europe.

yermom
4/22/2009, 10:25 PM
i've always thought the NBA rule was dumb. one season in college is just stupid. they should do it like they do in the NFL if they are going to do it.

there is a lot of money in college sports, this is going to be strange, but i'd think they would drop the rule if kids keep going to Europe. if the age limits don't apply to feriners then it's obvious that it's a BS rule

Collier11
4/22/2009, 10:41 PM
You can thank Brandon Jennings for this. What's really sad is that Jennings sucked in Europe.

He started off really bad but apparently has played well the 2nd half of the season and is now a top 10 Nba pick

Harry Beanbag
4/22/2009, 10:50 PM
Stupid parents. Life isn't basketball, and from the sounds of it, they should know better.

Collier11
4/22/2009, 10:53 PM
Harry,
Im not saying I disagree with you on the principle of it all but if your 17yr old kid could do something they are really good at and enjoy, and make $400k or more a year wouldnt you want them to do that?

Harry Beanbag
4/22/2009, 10:59 PM
No. He's 17 ****ing years old, still a child.

Collier11
4/22/2009, 11:15 PM
so he can go off to college but no make a sh*t ton of money???

Harry Beanbag
4/22/2009, 11:17 PM
Money, like basketball, is not life. People need to start, or finish, raising their kids to understand that. Especially in this day and age.

jumperstop
4/22/2009, 11:33 PM
As long as he keeps up his studies, I see nothing wrong with allowing your kid to make a decision like this. He's just preparing himself for a career that could set him and his family for life.

jumperstop
4/22/2009, 11:35 PM
most parents raise thier kids to be a successful person and I would say bb players are extremely successful.

Collier11
4/22/2009, 11:40 PM
from what we can understand this is a pretty intelligent and successful family and the kid gets good grades, it doesnt appear that he is doing this out of greed. If my 17yr old is still in hs delivering pizzas or in college waiting tables and has the oppurtunity to make that kind of money that could set him up for life or atleast a long time, I would back this.

Like it says, the dad or uncle will be there with him and he is already getting a financial advisor to make sure he doesnt blow the money...more power to him. My senior year was a blow off anyway, im sure he isnt missing much in terms of life preparedness

tommieharris91
4/23/2009, 01:21 AM
i've always thought the NBA rule was dumb. one season in college is just stupid. they should do it like they do in the NFL if they are going to do it.

there is a lot of money in college sports, this is going to be strange, but i'd think they would drop the rule if kids keep going to Europe. if the age limits don't apply to feriners then it's obvious that it's a BS rule

It's the owners who put that rule in place, and still I think the rule is either 19 or 1 year after high school. It used to be 18 or have graduated high school. Ever stranger, the owners want 20/2 years out of HS, and they will probably get it in the next CBA.

Collier11
4/23/2009, 01:25 AM
If they are going to make a rule then it needs to be the 20 or 2 rule, this 1 year removed from HS is retarded

tommieharris91
4/23/2009, 01:35 AM
He started off really bad but apparently has played well the 2nd half of the season and is now a top 10 Nba pick

Jennings was projected to be a lotto pick this summer when he was in high school. He's averaged about 7 and 1 with his team in Europe this season.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?gamecode=166&pcode=001219

yermom
4/23/2009, 08:10 AM
No. He's 17 ****ing years old, still a child.

how is it any different than the kids that are figure skaters or gymnasts? they don't have to wait until they have been in college for 1-3 years before they can be on Wheaties boxes

badger
4/23/2009, 08:17 AM
I thought that the NBA was getting to immature for awhile, with the bling bling, Hummers and paternity suits out the wazzooooo.

The NBA was becoming a product I didn't want to be a fan of, with pampered spoiled rich young punks that didn't give a d@mn about anything except money and shoe contracts.

Forcing players to be older before entering the league means you'll have a more mature and experienced workforce. The dress code (ESPN the Mag did a feature on this on how it changed player perspective and also made the Europeans feel better and more welcome about their dress styles) also helped.

I don't mind if the age limit means players go overseas. Force Kwame Brown to play in Europe first before Jordan can draft him and MJ might not look like a horrible failure-of-a-GM.

I don't mind high school kids having to go through a system of AAU and college before going to the NBA. They have many, many options for schooling and basketball and while they don't involve making money, the emphasis should never be money alone.

We can thank the NBA one-year rule for players like Blake Griffin and Willie Warren. Without it, they were declared pro-ready in high school and would probably have already made the jump a la Sebastian Telfair (if you're saying "who?" then that's ok, because he deserves it).

The NBA rule is NOT unfair to players. Players do not have any right to be in the NBA, it is a privilege. If they don't like the rules, like I said there are plenty of other options to be a pro or amateur until the NBA becomes available when you're older.

OUbasketball4life
4/23/2009, 08:26 AM
I don't see anything wrong with the kid going to Europe to play professionally. My only concern as a parent would be him missing out on his senior year or high school. Something that you'll never get back. If he is ok with missing out on things like that and is ready for the real world then so be it. Good luck to him and I hope he is making the right decision.

yermom
4/23/2009, 08:33 AM
as a college fan, i agree, i'd rather kids play college ball first, but it's kinda selfish :D

but, logically it doesn't make sense to make American kids wait, but not Europeans. i don't have a problem with US kids going to play in Europe at 17, but i bet the NBA does and will make a change somewhere

badger
4/23/2009, 08:55 AM
as a college fan, i agree, i'd rather kids play college ball first, but it's kinda selfish :D
Yeeeeeaaaaah, but on the other hand, it's not us making these decisions, so we can want without guilt :D


i don't have a problem with US kids going to play in Europe at 17, but i bet the NBA does and will make a change somewhere

On the contrary! Wouldn't the NBA like their stars to already have an established fanbase that they can market to? Kevin Durant had a texaz-sized fanbase of wh0rns before the Sonics (tee hee, THUNDER!) drafted him. Yao Ming had a billion Chinese fans before the Rockets drafted him. What's wrong with Teen American bball star establishing a little European fanbase before coming back to the NBA?

soonerfan28
4/23/2009, 09:38 AM
I wish the NBA rule was more like the NFL and you had to be 3 years removed from HS before you could turrn pro. I think that at least gives a kid a chance at receiving a college degree before heading to the next level. I already know that that would only cause more kids to head to Europe, but it only takes one major injury for this kid to become just another 6'10 guy w/a GED.

Collier11
4/23/2009, 09:55 AM
I wish the NBA rule was more like the NFL and you had to be 3 years removed from HS before you could turrn pro. I think that at least gives a kid a chance at receiving a college degree before heading to the next level. I already know that that would only cause more kids to head to Europe, but it only takes one major injury for this kid to become just another 6'10 guy w/a GED and several hundred thousand dollars to fall back on.

Fixed ;)

If he gets hurt he can go back to school and likely will be able to pay for it so its a win win win

Harry Beanbag
4/23/2009, 10:05 AM
how is it any different than the kids that are figure skaters or gymnasts? they don't have to wait until they have been in college for 1-3 years before they can be on Wheaties boxes

Figure skaters and gymnasts are usually washed up by the time they reach 20. Apples and oranges.

It's just my opinion, I don't think it's too much to ask for him to finish high school fercryinoutloud. Becoming a legal adult should fall in the mix somewhere too.

badger
4/23/2009, 10:19 AM
Figure skaters and gymnasts are usually washed up by the time they reach 20. Apples and oranges.

I love watching both of these sports come summer/winter olympics, but I just feel a great amount of pity for those girls (yes, GIRLS. the boy gymnasts and skaters can compete much longer and until they're men).

Only a select few in the world can make the Olympic teams (which are only once every four years) and that leaves thousands of pre-teen/teen girls (yes China, you cheated, those girls were about 8, just admit it) starving themselves, training themselves to exhaustion for nothing.

I agree that comparing the two is apples and oranges. Basketball is a sport you can play competitively, men and women, into your 40s if you're good enough. Figure skating and gymnastics for little girls is over by 21 if you're lucky, 13 if you're Chinese.

stoops the eternal pimp
4/23/2009, 11:38 AM
The kid is one year away from being old enough to fight for his country....I have no problems with the decision..

Brandon Jennings struggled all year, but its a different ball game in Europe....and he got paid..lived in an apartment paid for by the team....drove a car paid for by the team....and his family was able to move and live with him...

I m not a fan of kids bypassing college, but I think any rules that say you have to attend college before you can get paid is wrong....College isn't for everybody..not to mention the scholarship given to that student to play for a season or 2 could be given to somebody who actually needs it

Collier11
4/23/2009, 11:44 AM
plus alot of those countries dont charge athletes income tax from what I hear

yermom
4/23/2009, 11:44 AM
The kid is one year away from being old enough to fight for his country....I have no problems with the decision..

Brandon Jennings struggled all year, but its a different ball game in Europe....and he got paid..lived in an apartment paid for by the team....drove a car paid for by the team....and his family was able to move and live with him...

I m not a fan of kids bypassing college, but I think any rules that say you have to attend college before you can get paid is wrong....College isn't for everybody..not to mention the scholarship given to that student to play for a season or 2 could be given to somebody who actually needs it


with parental consent he can enlist at 17

tommieharris91
4/23/2009, 11:58 AM
I love how most of the people in this thread agree with the NBA Players Union on this issue.

stoops the eternal pimp
4/23/2009, 12:02 PM
hush..its bothering me enough I agree with c11 about something

TMcGee86
4/23/2009, 12:09 PM
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with this. I agree it would bother me about him skipping his sr year in HS, but other than that, I think it's a smart move.

Look at Greg Oden. He went to college for a year, appeared to dominate, and now he's two years into the NBA and can barely contribute.

Had he gone to Europe after his jr year, he would have either proven he doesnt have what it takes, or else improved his game and been more prepared for the NBA once he came back.

badger
4/23/2009, 12:14 PM
Look at Greg Oden. He went to college for a year, appeared to dominate, and now he's two years into the NBA and can barely contribute.

Portland had to get their Sam Bowie in order for us to get our Michael Jor... wait, I can't call a wh0rn that. Well, the Thunder got the better end of the deal because Portland screwed up another draft. Yay, Portland :D

Collier11
4/23/2009, 01:07 PM
hush..its bothering me enough I agree with c11 about something

You agree with me on most things...DONT YOU!!!

stoops the eternal pimp
4/23/2009, 01:16 PM
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Frozen Sooner
4/23/2009, 01:35 PM
Well, you also have to factor in the fact that, at 40, Oden's just going to have knee and ankle problems. ;)

starrca23
4/23/2009, 01:47 PM
I am a little surprised no one has used the Blake example. Stayed an extra year...worked on his game...no.1 pick...
The kid is wrong though...does he really think that he will get better coaching over there than from Roy Williams or Rick Patino? Also, going against 30 yr old Europeans is not gonna prepare him better than playing against the talent he would see everyday in practice at a North Carolina and a Louisville. Just because it is "Pro" doesn't make it better. Would any one pick the 66ers over the Tar Heels or even the Sooners?
Having said that, I don't blame him for taking the money. And that life-is-more-than-money speech. Aren't we all at work (making money) and talking on a message board about basketball? Just sayin'...

Frozen Sooner
4/23/2009, 01:54 PM
Sure, were he to go to Louisville he'd likely get better competition in practice, but in a Euro league it's no contest as to what competition he'd get in game situations. Check out the roster of the good Euro teams-they read like NCAA All-American second and third teams of the past.

Sorry Tulsa.

KingBarry
4/23/2009, 03:34 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the kid going to Europe to play professionally. My only concern as a parent would be him missing out on his senior year or high school. Something that you'll never get back. If he is ok with missing out on things like that and is ready for the real world then so be it. Good luck to him and I hope he is making the right decision.

Yeah, Mr basketball4life, I am sympathetic with your argument.

But speaking as someone who has lived in Europe for four years, if he "skipped that year or two living and working in Europe to go to high school (something he has already done for 3 years), he could never get that back, either.

Believe me, if I could live in Rome and make $440k/yr, I WOULD DO IT. I can not think of any alternatives -- barring making more money somewhere else, which is less probable -- that would stop me.

That time in Europe, if he takes advantage of it, will be FAR MORE valuable to him as a person and as a professional than if he screwed around in hi school for another year. He'll learn more, too.

Harry Beanbag
4/23/2009, 04:58 PM
Damn, I must be a hard ***. My kid is gonna hate me for making him finish freaking high school.

NormanPride
4/23/2009, 05:17 PM
It's not like the kid's not going to get an education. He's going to get tutors and home schooling until he can get his GED. While it's not the same as High School, it's good enough for thousands of other people...

starclassic tama
4/23/2009, 08:26 PM
Just because it is "Pro" doesn't make it better. Would any one pick the 66ers over the Tar Heels or even the Sooners?


yes. an NBA DL team would handle any college team. a DL roster is going to have several players who will spend at least a little time on an NBA bench. even the best college teams rarely have more than 2 players that spend significant time in the NBA.

starrca23
4/24/2009, 07:50 AM
Player Pos HT WT College
30 Sean Banks F 6-8 210 Memphis
42 Seamus Boxley SF 6-7 220 Portland St.
5 Will Conroy PG 6-2 195 Washington
33 Desmon Farmer SG 6-5 215 USC
52 Otis George# PF 6-9 240 Louisville
25 Marcus Hill SG 6-5 223 Tulsa
23 Ersan Ilyasova PF 6-9 235 Turkey
32 Bernard King SG 6-5 195 *Texas* A&M
50 Tony Kitchings C 6-10 260 South Carolina
15 John Lucas PG 6-0 180 Oklahoma State
53 Cedric Suitt C 6-11 240 Pepperdine
14 Cezary Trybanski C 7-2 235 Poland

"yes. an NBA DL team would handle any college team. a DL roster is going to have several players who will spend at least a little time on an NBA bench. even the best college teams rarely have more than 2 players that spend significant time in the NBA."

Really? Here is the 66ers roster. You know the guys on this team outside of the OSU and Tulsa players? Seriously doubt it.

The kid can pick where ever he wants to go. Louisville, Kentucky, Carolina...you don't think they could hang with these guys?

badger
4/24/2009, 08:03 AM
I agree with 23 - the D-League is not the first option of people trying to get into the NBA. Rather, it seems to be a dumping ground for draft picks that don't pan out. If you're a team's second-rounder and they have some sense of obligation to you, like promising to draft you if you left school, or a guaranteed rookie contract that you can't back out of... D-LEAGUE!

There have been some success stories with D-League players, but they are few and far between.

Collier11
4/24/2009, 08:35 AM
Player Pos HT WT College
30 Sean Banks F 6-8 210 Memphis
42 Seamus Boxley SF 6-7 220 Portland St.
5 Will Conroy PG 6-2 195 Washington
33 Desmon Farmer SG 6-5 215 USC
52 Otis George# PF 6-9 240 Louisville
25 Marcus Hill SG 6-5 223 Tulsa
23 Ersan Ilyasova PF 6-9 235 Turkey
32 Bernard King SG 6-5 195 **Texas** A&M
50 Tony Kitchings C 6-10 260 South Carolina
15 John Lucas PG 6-0 180 Oklahoma State
53 Cedric Suitt C 6-11 240 Pepperdine
14 Cezary Trybanski C 7-2 235 Poland

"yes. an NBA DL team would handle any college team. a DL roster is going to have several players who will spend at least a little time on an NBA bench. even the best college teams rarely have more than 2 players that spend significant time in the NBA."

Really? Here is the 66ers roster. You know the guys on this team outside of the OSU and Tulsa players? Seriously doubt it.

The kid can pick where ever he wants to go. Louisville, Kentucky, Carolina...you don't think they could hang with these guys?

I actually know all of those guys other than the two foreign guys but thats just cus I watch alot of college bball. Having said that, depends on how well they play as a team. If they play well together a D-league team could beat almost all college teams pretty handily. But since it is typically a bunch of guys just trying to make a name for themselves I wouldnt bet against the better NCAA teams

NormanPride
4/24/2009, 09:23 AM
They also get to practice a ton more than college teams. That, I think, is the biggest difference.

Cam
4/24/2009, 01:07 PM
Yeah, Mr basketball4life, I am sympathetic with your argument.

But speaking as someone who has lived in Europe for four years, if he "skipped that year or two living and working in Europe to go to high school (something he has already done for 3 years), he could never get that back, either.

Believe me, if I could live in Rome and make $440k/yr, I WOULD DO IT. I can not think of any alternatives -- barring making more money somewhere else, which is less probable -- that would stop me.

That time in Europe, if he takes advantage of it, will be FAR MORE valuable to him as a person and as a professional than if he screwed around in hi school for another year. He'll learn more, too.

Spot on.

If my kids have the opportunity I'll support them 100%.

This kid will not be the last one to do this. Keep in mind that the NBA drafts on potential, not where their skills are at now. It'll be a whole new ball game once this option takes off.

badger
4/24/2009, 01:42 PM
There's a good number of college ball players that haven't been far outside their childhood homes before they go to college or pros. Imagine what a life experience a trip to Europe would be for them. It wouldn't just be that Jayhawk from Cali seeing snow for the first time, it would be an entirely new experience for the athlete!

the_ouskull
4/25/2009, 02:31 PM
Sorry to be weighing in so late...

Long Version: I think that this is great for college basketball. It's going to force the NCAA to start thinking about some of the contact rules that they have in place. I'm tired of seeing lazy coaches get rewarded the same as hard-working coaches. Also, if the most talented high school players in the country would rather go overseas to play professionally than play college basketball for a year, what does that say about the system that the NCAA has in place right now?

As for the players... I love the idea of a Brandon Jennings getting exposed for being an athlete with no game over in Europe. I like Jeremy Tyler basically saying, "I'm tired of getting the crap kicked out of me with little to no protection, so I'm just going to go and get paid," because I have seen some absolutely dangerous high school officiating, and I "get it."

Just like the flood of high schoolers in the mid-late 90's into the NBA, these kids, too, will have success and failure stories. But, as for college basketball, it's only going to be a success. Part of what makes college basketball the great sport that it is is the fact that the players are there because they WANT to be there. We got to experience this past season with Blake because Blake wanted to be a Sooner. If you're building a program at which elite players want to be, then rules like these won't have much of an effect on your school.

Short Version: I'm for it. Free market, and whatnot.

the_ouskull

the_ouskull
4/25/2009, 02:39 PM
Also, as for the "will he get better coaching overseas" argument...

Yeah, he will. Inferior European athletes are excelling in the NBA right now because they are very fundamentally sound. (Yes, you, Dirk, and Peja, and Hedo, and, well, I'm just not going to keep going...) The coaching that these players are receiving, from a much earlier age, is at least the equivalent of what they would receive over here. Remember, it wasn't until we started coaching, full-time, our professional Olympic team, that we were able to win back the gold medal. It's because we were getting outplayed, and outcoached, by the other teams - year in and year out.

the_ouskull

stoopified
4/25/2009, 07:24 PM
My sons have to AT LEAST graduate HS before I would let them go pro in ANYTHING regardless of money.You need to be a kid and mature physically AND psychologically before entering the work world.You only have one chance at youth.