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MamaMia
3/25/2009, 05:48 PM
Add 'em up...the majority of the Liberal socialistic wannabes/Hollywood types/Uniformed or low IQ level voters, Informed but union workers, Informed but voting black no matter what, People and or businesses who want a hand out, Welfare voters too lazy to care but just want the free cheese to keep coming, and we have Obama in the White House for two terms.

royalfan5
3/25/2009, 06:04 PM
And the right wonders why it got hammered the last two elections.

KC//CRIMSON
3/25/2009, 06:22 PM
I thought the other board had a politics folder, does it not?

MamaMia
3/25/2009, 06:32 PM
I thought the other board had a politics folder, does it not?
Do I need to add those who don't know how to multi task to my list?

StoopTroup
3/25/2009, 06:36 PM
So far...I haven't gotten anything free.

Seems to me the loudest complaints seems to come from those who have had a free ride for the last 8 years (or more).

Curly Bill
3/25/2009, 07:11 PM
So far...I haven't gotten anything free.

Seems to me the loudest complaints seems to come from those who have had a free ride for the last 8 years (or more).

Well ya dumas, ya gotta quit working first, then ya start getting stuff for free. ;)

Rogue
3/25/2009, 07:21 PM
What's got you all stirred up tonight, MM?

KC//CRIMSON
3/25/2009, 07:28 PM
Tonight, the role of RLIMC will be played by MamaMia.


Sorry for any inconvenience.


Regards,

Management.

theresonly1OU
3/25/2009, 08:36 PM
Tonight, the role of RLIMC will be played by MamaMia.


Sorry for any inconvenience.


Regards,

Management.

And, for the next four years, the role of President of the United States of America will be played by:

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/teleprompt_lee.jpg

Enjoy,

The MSM

mikeelikee
3/25/2009, 09:21 PM
And the right wonders why it got hammered the last two elections.

Are you trying to say John McCain is part of "the right"? Puh-leeeze!!

Mixer!
3/25/2009, 09:29 PM
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7924/mrspock.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrspock.jpg)

"I find this thread to be highly illogical."

Scott D
3/25/2009, 09:34 PM
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7924/mrspock.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrspock.jpg)

"I find this thread to be highly illogical."

this thread can be locked now....this post cannot be topped.

swardboy
3/26/2009, 06:33 AM
Typical liberal personal retort.....

leavingthezoo
3/26/2009, 08:46 AM
Add 'em up...the majority of the Liberal socialistic wannabes/Hollywood types/Uniformed or low IQ level voters, Informed but union workers, Informed but voting black no matter what, People and or businesses who want a hand out, Welfare voters too lazy to care but just want the free cheese to keep coming, and we have Obama in the White House for two terms.

:(

not that this isn't a broad brush, mama, but... i don't fit yet.

MamaMia
3/26/2009, 01:15 PM
:(

not that this isn't a broad brush, mama, but... i don't fit yet.
Okay; sorry.

4) Miscellaneous ;)

Pricetag
3/26/2009, 01:28 PM
It amuses me the way folks have latched on to the teleprompter thing. I wasn't aware President Obama was the first to have one. President Bush has got to be kicking himself for not picking one up.

MamaMia
3/26/2009, 02:29 PM
It amuses me the way folks have latched on to the teleprompter thing. I wasn't aware President Obama was the first to have one. President Bush has got to be kicking himself for not picking one up.

He didn't need one. Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, or whether he was accurate or not on his assessments, he spoke from his heart. They come in handy when you're trying to con people in to believing crap that you don't even believe yourself.

SoonerProphet
3/26/2009, 02:37 PM
Yeah, cause Bush and speeches were pure as the driven snow.

Pricetag
3/26/2009, 03:24 PM
He didn't need one. Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, or whether he was accurate or not on his assessments, he spoke from his heart. They come in handy when you're trying to con people in to believing crap that you don't even believe yourself.
Riiiiiiiight. Canned speeches crappily delivered from a teleprompter = from the heart, while canned speeches eloquently delivered from a teleprompter = phony. Nice and simple.

I think it's a sad, sad statement that solid command of spoken English has become a source of suspicion in politics.

OU_Sooners75
3/26/2009, 03:27 PM
And, for the next four years, the role of President of the United States of America will be played by:

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/teleprompt_lee.jpg

Enjoy,

The MSM


At least he attempts to speak clearly and wants to make sure he gets his words correct.

I do not see anything wrong with him using a telepromptor. George Bush should have tried one. Oh wait, he did! (just not as exclusive)

OU_Sooners75
3/26/2009, 03:32 PM
He didn't need one. Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, or whether he was accurate or not on his assessments, he spoke from his heart. They come in handy when you're trying to con people in to believing crap that you don't even believe yourself.


Good thing the people that actually know the subject of the economy and stuff agree with what he is attempting to do.

You can bag on the guy all you want....he inherited a mess unlike Bush did. Yet Bush did nothing to curb this economic issue even though he and his top advisors knew about it for a couple of years.

Deregulation is what led to this economic fall out. You can blame that on the right side of the aisle.

King Crimson
3/26/2009, 03:33 PM
the "downhome" style is one that is as old as political persuasion itself. it's one rhetorical trope or style among many. it's effective because it connotes "honesty", "straight talk", and enforces a suspicion of "fancy book learning".

it's a style that is particularly appropriate to democratic/republican forms of governance. however, that doesn't make it any less (or more) "artificial", "slick", or earnest than the current teleprompter "jokes".

KC//CRIMSON
3/26/2009, 03:36 PM
he spoke from his heart.

Seriously, you did not just type that......

C&CDean
3/26/2009, 03:37 PM
Good thing the people that actually know the subject of the economy and stuff agree with what he is attempting to do. Really? That's news to me.

You can bag on the guy all you want....he inherited a mess unlike Bush did. Really? I guess 9/11 was a walk in the park.

Yet Bush did nothing to curb this economic issue even though he and his top advisors knew about it for a couple of years. Really? I guess that pesky leftista congress didn't have anything to do with it.

Deregulation is what led to this economic fall out. You can blame that on the right side of the aisle. Really? I guess stupid people taking stupid loans for way more than they could afford had nothing to do with it.


What. Ever.

C&CDean
3/26/2009, 03:39 PM
Seriously, you did not just type that......

You saying he didn't? Just because he makes a Touretts inflicted retard sound like a Toastmaster's grand champion when he gave speeches doesn't mean he wasn't keepin' it real, yo. Like him or not, Bush gave a ****. This guy? The jury is still out.

KC//CRIMSON
3/26/2009, 03:53 PM
Over a hundred thousand people have died because Bush lied (or if you insist, was blindly mistaken) about WMDs.


Yeah, he kept it real all right.

soonerscuba
3/26/2009, 04:05 PM
Deregulation is what led to this economic fall out. You can blame that on the right side of the aisle.Both sides of the aisle were pretty much equally complacent to keep the whole sham propped up. The whole ownership society mantra was heralded with equal vigor, so it deserves equal blame. Republicans are going to eat it because they make deregulation a platform, which doesn't absolve the Dems of anything.

soonerscuba
3/26/2009, 04:08 PM
It also takes a special kind of person to not think that a president does anything without going through PR consultants. If you believe that Bush speaks from the heart, you deserve his government.

SoonerTroll
3/26/2009, 04:22 PM
Good thing the people that actually know the subject of the economy and stuff agree with what he is attempting to do.

You can bag on the guy all you want....he inherited a mess unlike Bush did. Yet Bush did nothing to curb this economic issue even though he and his top advisors knew about it for a couple of years.

Deregulation is what led to this economic fall out. You can blame that on the right side of the aisle.

WOOOOOOW :eek:

C&CDean
3/26/2009, 04:26 PM
Over a hundred thousand people have died because Bush lied (or if you insist, was blindly mistaken) about WMDs.


Yeah, he kept it real all right.

Meh. Even your boy Clinton (and all the other lefties) believed it and voted to go over there. But hey, it's pretty easy to be an armchair QB after the fact. Makes you feel all warm, fuzzy, and clean huh?

KC//CRIMSON
3/26/2009, 04:34 PM
Meh. Even your boy Clinton (and all the other lefties) believed it and voted to go over there. But hey, it's pretty easy to be an armchair QB after the fact. Makes you feel all warm, fuzzy, and clean huh?


Nah, I'm not one of those have to be right people, let alone feel all warm, fuzzy, and clean about something so terrible.

C&CDean
3/26/2009, 04:37 PM
Nah, I'm not one of those have to be right people, let alone feel all warm, fuzzy, and clean about something so terrible.

Me either. And my heart only weeps for the Americans, our allies, and the innocent Iraqis and Afghans who've died at the hands of terrorists. All the other hunnertK or so ****ing virgins in hell I couldn't give a **** about.

theresonly1OU
3/26/2009, 04:56 PM
Over a hundred thousand people have died because Bush lied (or if you insist, was blindly mistaken) about WMDs.


Yeah, he kept it real all right.

And if anyone, anywhere had even come close to proving that lie, GWB would have had one of the shortest terms in office.

Thanks for the laugh though; I needed it.

KC//CRIMSON
3/26/2009, 04:59 PM
Me either. And my heart only weeps for the Americans, our allies, and the innocent Iraqis and Afghans who've died at the hands of terrorists. All the other hunnertK or so ****ing virgins in hell I couldn't give a **** about.


Don't forget about the innocent Iraqis and Afghans who've died at the hands of Americans and it's allies too.......

KC//CRIMSON
3/26/2009, 05:01 PM
And if anyone, anywhere had even come close to proving that lie, GWB would have had one of the shortest terms in office.

Thanks for the laugh though; I needed it.


Yeah, if only.....


If you need a good laugh, look in the mirror, clown.

NYC Poke
3/26/2009, 05:02 PM
Meh. Even your boy Clinton (and all the other lefties) believed it and voted to go over there. But hey, it's pretty easy to be an armchair QB after the fact. Makes you feel all warm, fuzzy, and clean huh?


The deregulation vote was nearly unanimous, true enough. Perhaps it should have been reconsidered when it became apparent that companies were taking on too much systemic risk? I heard some calls for that (I remember reading an Op-Ed piece by Warren Buffett on this topic shortly after I moved to NYC in 2006), but I recall no serious efforts from either side. There's plenty of blame to go around.

C&CDean
3/26/2009, 05:10 PM
The deregulation vote was nearly unanimous, true enough. Perhaps it should have been reconsidered when it became apparent that companies were taking on too much systemic risk? I heard some calls for that (I remember reading an Op-Ed piece by Warren Buffett on this topic shortly after I moved to NYC in 2006), but I recall no serious efforts from either side. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Agreed. How about telling the birkenstock gang that. Besides, GWB is long gone.

And if the WOT is so unholy why hasn't the messiah brought everyone home?

NYC Poke
3/26/2009, 05:22 PM
Mmmmmm, patchouli.

starclassic tama
3/26/2009, 05:42 PM
What. Ever.

because we all know bush inherited the 9/11 crisis and it didn't happen almost 2 years after he was in office.

Chuck Bao
3/26/2009, 05:51 PM
The math is pretty easy.

The legacy left by the previous administration of eight years is that we are still fighting two foreign wars and our financial/economic system is on the verge of collapse despite throwing a couple trillion dollars of taxpayers money at the problem. That is money that we cannot afford to repay.

Is it not just a bit weird that the wars are being fought to protect American interests overseas, while American companies are busy selling out the American worker and awarding themselves huge bonuses for a job well done?

Why should terrorists even bother with us? We are already doing a pretty good job destroying our way of life.

No more Pax Americana. No more lone superpower.

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough for many Americans to deal with that concept. But, life is tough. Isn't that sort of what Republicans have been telling the disadvantaged for years - "so what if you have been dealt a bad hand, make the most of it".

Seriously, it is unbecoming to start whining about it now. We were already well down this road before the start of the Obama administration.

SCOUT
3/26/2009, 06:03 PM
At least he attempts to speak clearly and wants to make sure he gets his words correct.


Heh


President Obama thanked President Obama for inviting everyone over.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/18/teleprompter-gone-bad-obama-thanks-irish-pm-repeats-speech/

tommieharris91
3/26/2009, 06:05 PM
You can bag on the guy all you want....he inherited a mess unlike Bush did. Yet Bush did nothing to curb this economic issue even though he and his top advisors knew about it for a couple of years.


There wasn't that .com bubble that burst as he stepped into office....

tommieharris91
3/26/2009, 06:08 PM
And if the WOT is so unholy why hasn't the messiah brought everyone home?

He's still trying...

Chuck Bao
3/26/2009, 06:41 PM
There wasn't that .com bubble that burst as he stepped into office....

But shouldn't that have been a pretty good lesson about a much worse bubble to follow in the property sector.

The .com bubble was like cyber money and not really real. All of those instant millionaires created as investment bankers fell all over themselves to get the .com companies listed. It did allow Clinton to temporarily balance the budget. Yeah, investors lost their shirts, but we really can't say that they didn't deserve it for not figuring out that there was not very much revenues to be had and the internet is a pretty fickle place.

For that cyber money, it is not the job of the administration to tell people not to invest.

The housing market is a completely different story and one would hope the US Federal Reserve would be aware of how the housing bubble was being built up on imprudent banking practices and the major contributing factor of newly created derivative products.

NYC Poke
3/26/2009, 07:00 PM
Yeah, people forget that the reason so many bad loans were written is because of the market for the paper. I read an interview with a former credit derivatives trader who said that he knew that some of the loans he was getting were crap, but by 2006-2007, the market was so hot that he could bundle them in tranches, securitize them, and sell them, so he didn't really care. The Fed probably should have caught this and raised interest rates to cool down the housing market a little.

StoopTroup
3/27/2009, 12:39 AM
I'm thinking of taking a seminar.

www.robertgallen.com (http://www.robertgallen.com/)

Chuck Bao
3/27/2009, 05:52 AM
Now that I think more on this topic of the .com bubble the more I really wonder why anyone thinks the stock market is a gauge of anything. The stock market is NOT driven by a lot of smart people in the know. It is driven by a lot of smart people who are out to make as much money as quick as possible.

When I first moved to Thailand, I worked for a brokerage firmed controlled by the family that owns Bangkok Bank, one of the richest families in the country. They invited me to join their stock portfolio management committee. I was just a young guy and I kept really quiet. The second son of the family ran the committee and had his economics masters degree from University of Chicago and his lieutenant was his classmate. These were the best and the brightest and richest and most connected. They sold off the portfolio at a loss at the lowest point and the next year the Thai stock market was the best performing market in the world. That re-affirmed my belief that the stock market is fair game and I have some value or role to play.

Now I think more about it, I was very wrong on that assessment. Okay, the stock market is probably fair game and small savvy investors probably do in fact stand a chance against the big guys in the longer term. And they stand a chance not because the market is fair, but because a lot of so-called smart people make the stupidest mistakes.

Harry Beanbag
3/27/2009, 07:56 AM
because we all know bush inherited the 9/11 crisis and it didn't happen almost 2 years after he was in office.


You're right, it didn't happen almost 2 years after he was in office. I'm glad someone is keepin' it real in here.

Mixer!
3/27/2009, 08:47 AM
I rilly wish somebody woulda listened to Scott D...

MamaMia
3/27/2009, 09:44 AM
I rilly wish somebody woulda listened to Scott D... All he did was agree with you. I would like to know what you personally think is so illogical. :)

oumartin
3/27/2009, 10:26 AM
It's dumb to even try to debate this crap. Both parties are at fault but this clown we have in the White house will either do what the liberals want (socialize the country) or he will go down in flames trying.

Scott D
3/27/2009, 01:23 PM
All he did was agree with you. I would like to know what you personally think is so illogical. :)

the thought process that there could be a peaceable thread in this forum having anything to do with the sordid business of politics and partisanship. They're all stir the pot threads, and the same chum ends up being a feeding frenzy.

Scott D
3/27/2009, 01:27 PM
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r163/sargmon/bboat.jpg

I think we're gonna need a bigger boat.

sooneron
3/27/2009, 09:33 PM
Bruce!!

MamaMia
3/31/2009, 09:28 AM
Good thing the people that actually know the subject of the economy and stuff agree with what he is attempting to do.

You can bag on the guy all you want....he inherited a mess unlike Bush did. Yet Bush did nothing to curb this economic issue even though he and his top advisors knew about it for a couple of years.

Deregulation is what led to this economic fall out. You can blame that on the right side of the aisle. You can not spend your way out of recession or borrow your way out of debt...Daniel Hannan

Chuck Bao
3/31/2009, 09:41 AM
This Bloomberg article gives a good summary of the total amount spent, lent or guaranteed. The grand total, well as of March, comes to $12.8 trillion or nearly equal to the annual GDP for the US.



Financial Rescue Approaches GDP as U.S. Pledges $12.8 Trillion
By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry

March 31 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have spent, lent or guaranteed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year, to stem the longest recession since the 1930s.

New pledges from the Fed, the Treasury Department and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. include $1 trillion for the Public-Private Investment Program, designed to help investors buy distressed loans and other assets from U.S. banks. The money works out to $42,105 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. and 14 times the $899.8 billion of currency in circulation. The nation’s gross domestic product was $14.2 trillion in 2008.

President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner met with the chief executives of the nation’s 12 biggest banks on March 27 at the White House to enlist their support to thaw a 20-month freeze in bank lending.

“The president and Treasury Secretary Geithner have said they will do what it takes,” Goldman Sachs Group Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said after the meeting. “If it is enough, that will be great. If it is not enough, they will have to do more.”

Commitments include a $500 billion line of credit to the FDIC from the government’s coffers that will enable the agency to guarantee as much as $2 trillion worth of debt for participants in the Term Asset-Backed Lending Facility and the Public-Private Investment Program. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair warned that the insurance fund to protect customer deposits at U.S. banks could dry up because of bank failures.

‘Within an Eyelash’

The combined commitment has increased by 73 percent since November, when Bloomberg first estimated the funding, loans and guarantees at $7.4 trillion.

“The comparison to GDP serves the useful purpose of underscoring how extraordinary the efforts have been to stabilize the credit markets,” said Dana Johnson, chief economist for Comerica Bank in Dallas.

“Everything the Fed, the FDIC and the Treasury do doesn’t always work out right but back in October we came within an eyelash of having a truly horrible collapse of our financial system, said Johnson, a former Fed senior economist. “They used their creativity to help the worst-case scenario from unfolding and I’m awfully glad they did it.”

The following table details how the Fed and the government have committed the money on behalf of American taxpayers over the past 20 months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

==================================================
--- Amounts (Billions)---
Limit Current
==================================================
Total $12,798.14 $4,169.71
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Federal Reserve Total $7,765.64 $1,678.71
Primary Credit Discount $110.74 $61.31
Secondary Credit $0.19 $1.00
Primary dealer and others $147.00 $20.18
ABCP Liquidity $152.11 $6.85
AIG Credit $60.00 $43.19
Net Portfolio CP Funding $1,800.00 $241.31
Maiden Lane (Bear Stearns) $29.50 $28.82
Maiden Lane II (AIG) $22.50 $18.54
Maiden Lane III (AIG) $30.00 $24.04
Term Securities Lending $250.00 $88.55
Term Auction Facility $900.00 $468.59
Securities lending overnight $10.00 $4.41
Term Asset-Backed Loan Facility $900.00 $4.71
Currency Swaps/Other Assets $606.00 $377.87
MMIFF $540.00 $0.00
GSE Debt Purchases $600.00 $50.39
GSE Mortgage-Backed Securities $1,000.00 $236.16
Citigroup Bailout Fed Portion $220.40 $0.00
Bank of America Bailout $87.20 $0.00
Commitment to Buy Treasuries $300.00 $7.50
-----------------------------------------------------------
FDIC Total $2,038.50 $357.50
Public-Private Investment* $500.00 0.00
FDIC Liquidity Guarantees $1,400.00 $316.50
GE $126.00 $41.00
Citigroup Bailout FDIC $10.00 $0.00
Bank of America Bailout FDIC $2.50 $0.00
-----------------------------------------------------------
Treasury Total $2,694.00 $1,833.50
TARP $700.00 $599.50
Tax Break for Banks $29.00 $29.00
Stimulus Package (Bush) $168.00 $168.00
Stimulus II (Obama) $787.00 $787.00
Treasury Exchange Stabilization $50.00 $50.00
Student Loan Purchases $60.00 $0.00
Support for Fannie/Freddie $400.00 $200.00
Line of Credit for FDIC* $500.00 $0.00
-----------------------------------------------------------
HUD Total $300.00 $300.00
Hope for Homeowners FHA $300.00 $300.00
-----------------------------------------------------------
The FDIC’s commitment to guarantee lending under the
Legacy Loan Program and the Legacy Asset Program includes a $500
billion line of credit from the U.S. Treasury.

To contact the reporters on this story:
Mark Pittman in New York at
mpittman@bloomberg.net;
Bob Ivry in New York at
bivry@bloomberg.net.

sitzpinkler
3/31/2009, 11:38 AM
There wasn't that .com bubble that burst as he stepped into office....

It didn't happen as he stepped into office, it was a little over 1.5 years into his term.

When I got out of the military in August of '01, I had IT job offers from all over the state. By January of '02 the market had dried up.

I still blame all the "paper" MCSEs. Bunch of morons.

I saw 60-year-old women taking MCSE classes because they heard if you got certified you could make $50,000 per year.

StoopTroup
3/31/2009, 11:49 AM
I saw 60-year-old women taking MCSE classes because they heard if you got certified you could make $50,000 per year.

This is some of my reasoning that making people work or making it profitable for people to work might be a bad idea. Many folks think that simply showing up at work is work. It has hurt all of us who actually are productive working thinking people. These folks who smell opportunity are the ones that have made the workplace nearly unbearable. They disturb the work place IMO. Also...it costs businesses money they could have used to pay bonuses to employees who made the business successful.

It's why Union bashers theories are many times flawed. Yes there are situations like GM had with these re-training rooms for stagnant workers...but these IT type positions were no different IMO. I know many folks that got into IT that can barely plug a computer into the power strip.

tommieharris91
3/31/2009, 12:06 PM
It didn't happen as he stepped into office, it was a little over 1.5 years into his term.

When I got out of the military in August of '01, I had IT job offers from all over the state. By January of '02 the market had dried up.

I still blame all the "paper" MCSEs. Bunch of morons.

I saw 60-year-old women taking MCSE classes because they heard if you got certified you could make $50,000 per year.

9/11 was near the end of the recession that resulted from the .com pop. Bush stepped into office on January 20, 2001.

C&CDean
3/31/2009, 12:53 PM
He's still trying...

Really? So sending several thousand more troops to Afghanistan = bringing them all home?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what he's doing over there, but all you liberals who voted for the boy need to STFU if you were one of the ones screaming "bring them all home now."